Can San Jose cash in on a Vancouver blueline with too many defenseman?
As Doug Wilson begins to focus his efforts on obtaining a roster upgrade via the trade market, the attention of Sharks faithful across North America has turned to the rosters of 29 other NHL teams as well. It's my belief that Wilson will be looking at a defenseman for an upgrade due to the rather middling roster currently in place, so I'll be focusing my efforts on many potential deals that could occur throughout the summer.
When that deal comes, at this point, is an unknown. With the holiday weekend upon us many will recall San Jose's trade with the Tampa Bay Lightning on July 4th, 2008 that saw Dan Boyle and Brad Lukowich head to the Sharks in exchange for Matt Carle, Ty Wishart, and a first round draft selection. It's no secret that Wilson will be working the phones hard for the near future, and could strike at any moment until training camp begins in mid-September.
A potential target for Wilson's sniping? Kevin Bieksa of the Vancouver Canucks.
Vancouver is a team who is in a similar position as the Sharks were last offseason-- too much money tied up in their roster, with restricted free agents still needing to be re-signed. Bieksa has gotten the majority of press out of Vancouver in the last few days, with the media reporting that he would be the most likely cap casualty out of Vancouver.
After acquiring Keith Ballard in a trade last Friday and landing Dan Hamhuis on Thursday, the Vancouver Canucks general manager now has eight blueliners under contract next season for $24.1 million US. That doesn't include restricted free agent Shane O'Brien, who was tendered a $1.6 million qualifying offer.
The scenario won't stop speculation that Kevin Bieksa is about to be dealt with $3.75 million left next season on an expiring contract.
The Province believes that Bieksa's return would be some type of draft pick salary dump in order to clear space. San Jose has selections in every round next season except the fourth and seventh.
A third round pick would be the best situation for the Sharks to give up in a potential deal, with a second being a likely possibility considering the number of offers Bieksa has garnered around the NHL. Jason Botchford of The Province is reporting that ten teams have shown interest in the 29 year old defenseman, increasing the price that Gillis will ask for in return for Bieksa's services.
Colombus is one of those teams, with preliminary trade talks having taken place over the last forty eight hours. Former first round pick Nikita Filatov is rumored to have been involved.
Bieksa is a defenseman that was plagued by inconsistency last season, having trouble clearing the zone at times as well as giving up some egregious turnovers in his own end. He's never been the pure shutdown defenseman that I have desired for San Jose to acquire, and has also struggled with injuries over his career as well-- Bieksa missed 27 games with a lacerated leg in 2010, and 47 games in 2008 with a lacerated calf. All of these attributes make him a slight risk for a Sharks team that will be investing $3.75MM in his services, especially if Wilson decides that Bieksa would be the lone acquisition for the blueline heading into 2010-2011.
That being said, he is a definite physical presence in the corners and in front of the net, and would be able to fill the hole left by Rob Blake in San Jose's top four. Bieksa has a blistering shot from the point and good offensive acumen, with a solid first pass out of his zone that can help fuel the breakout and move the puck up the ice. He's more defensively responsible than a player like Tomas Kaberle would be, although it's readily apparent that the offensive skills he brings to the table, while sufficient, would not reach that of the current Maple Leafs blueliner.
Since Bieksa would replace Rob Blake next year in San Jose, let's take a look at some of the relevant even strength statistics both of them have posted in relation to their teammates over the last two seasons. All come courtesy of Behind The Net:
For all of those whose brains shut off when hit with a bunch of numbers, this is what the two year sample is telling us-- Bieksa and Blake were both tops on thier team in terms of points produced over sixty minutes, and are capable assist men from the blueline. However, with Bieksa's relatively low quality of competition and high goals against numbers, it would appear that he may be a slight downgrade compared to Rob Blake in the defensive zone.
That could do a lot with Blake riding shotgun with Marc-Edouard Vlasic throughout the last two years, but with the excellent defensive numbers Blake has posted since he joined San Jose in the summer of 2008, his retirement this summer could prove to be a bigger loss than many, including myself, anticipated. His underlying numbers were very good throughout this period despite losing some skating ability as he crept into the forty year old age.
Was Bieksa the best option available for San Jose heading into July 1st? One wouldn't think so considering the number of top three players on the free agent market like Paul Martin and Dan Hamhuis, but with the middling pool of talent left available for Wilson, Bieksa remains one of the better choices out on the market today. At least in terms of players who have received attention as being available.
Another possible asset Wilson could use to acquire Bieksa is last summer's trading history with Vancouver, which saw Christian Ehrhoff and Brad Lukowich sent out of San Jose due to salary cap troubles.. As I mentioned on Twitter during the first day of free agency, this could help grease the wheels with Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis-- it's not going to be a huge factor in a deal, but if the Sharks have the best deal on the table, it could be another chip Wilson has in his back pocket.
Whether this has any weight is unknown-- after all, Vancouver is one of the Western Conference's elite teams and will be looking to get out of the second round for the first time since 1994. The Sharks are perennial contenders who stand in the Canucks way, making the likelihood of a deal that benefits San Jose at this crucial juncture less of a possibility.
Taking this into account, I'd probably change my tune and say that the Sharks are in worse position because of this, with the previous favor being a factor that Vancouver would brush aside as unimportant.
My final bid for Bieksa? A second round pick, and a middling prospect similar to Patrick White or Daniel Rahimi last summer. One year of Bieksa would be a positive acquisition for the franchise at this price, but after taking a deeper look at the Vancouver defenseman, the amount of salary he commands could be a roadblock for a deal if Doug Wilson is only looking to bring in one blueliner next season.
I really like Bieksa and think he would provide some value to the Sharks, but this is something that gets done later in the summer when Wilson is looking for a final piece to add. Rushing into this without exploring other options first would likely tie his hands too much in the trade market.
Go Sharks.
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Mitchell is due to start skating in about a week, which is when GM’s will contact his agent and begin working on deals.
I really like Mitchell too obviously, and plan to have a piece on him this week.
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by Mr. Plank on Jul 4, 2010 9:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting thought about the connection between Wilson and Gillis. I found it very odd that Wilson basically gift-wrapped Ehrhoff for the Canucks last summer, considering Vancouver was one of the other top teams in the conference and Ehrhoff really shored up their most glaring team weakness. Who knows—maybe they were the only team willing to give the Sharks the cap room they needed—but I also really wonder if Gillis would be willing, like Wilson was, to help a real competitor like this. That deal still bugs me.
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Mitchell and Bieksa are complements of one another. I prefer Mitchell’s aggressiveness, size, and all-around nastiness. But Bieksa plays on the Canucks PP and puts up a lot more points. Neither has been largely injury-free due to their aggressive styles, but that suits me fine. Between the two, Canucks fans seems to adore Mitchell more, and that’s where I place my preference as well— pending he is concussion free. Also it seems like the Sharks are in more of a need of a stud shutdown d-man instead of a jack of all trades.
Mitchell is unlikely to be re-signed, so I’m not sure why we wouldn’t just pursue Mitchell instead of trading assets for Bieksa? I presume one reason would be that given the over-valuation of d-men recently, Mitchell’s asking price could be between $4-4.5 million? That might be too rich for the Sharks with Bieksa at a relatively affordable $3.5 million.
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Quick little capgeek
So I moved out Huskins and T.Mitch for a bug of pucks and a new sofa for the clubhouse.
This keeps the most talent on the team and makes room for Bieksa, it’s really tight as it only gives us just under 1mil to get our healthy scratches.
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / * Devin Setoguchi ($3.200m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.997m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m) / Benn Ferriero ($0.850m)
Cameron MacIntyre ($0.600m) / Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / Frazer McLaren ($0.543m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / * Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $59.354m; CAP ROOM: $0.976m; BONUSES: $0.930m
I like it.
And it leaves soo much cap room compared to the beginning of last year.
We’d have enough space for a decent 7th D-man (Moore?) plus, enough space to pick up a waived player during the season.
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I like the sad state of our cap
when .93mill is soo much cap room :P
I still would like to find a way to get that motherfucker of a DMan that we really need. I don’t know that Bieksa is that guy, I still like trying to get W Mitchell if we can get him at the same price as Bieksa. Being that he made 3.5 per in his last contract it is within the realm of possibility.
i might be the most comfortable with this lineup than anything.
i’m wondering though, should we stick logan couture and jamie mcginn and possibly ferrerio down in the minors until the playoffs to develop chemistry and get more playing time
and doug murray i think at this point isnt going to play with vlasic it just doesnt seem to fit comfortably
him dishing out the hits while demers picks up the pucks to throw up ice could be exciting
by withintheruins14 on Jul 6, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I think McGinn and Couture have done all they can in the minors.
They were pretty dominant in the AHL, now they have to learn how to be effective at the NHL level.
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That team you made jMonkeyBrah would be pretty good,although I would keep Mitchell.And sign Brendan Morrison he would be a good veteran with expierience.
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by Thorntonfan19 on Jul 8, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
In regards to Bieksa.
Mr Plank. You wouldn’t get him for a 2nd and a prospect. With as many as ten teams in, Gillis is going to want more than that. Even if the two GMs made a deal last year…
I mean, supposedly Columbus would trade us Filatov for him!
Personally, I would rather he went out of conference. I think his style of play would make him a bigger star in the East.
He does hit hard, and play rambunctious, but saying he is injury prone is a little off too.
Yes, he had his calf sliced twice. As all of us that have played know, that is a very rare injury. It’s happened twice!!! Apart from that, he is pretty healthy. Also, its a moot point now, as he has taken to wearing kevlar socks.
Mitchell? I think we would want him back if he is OK, and being from Port McNeil on the island, his first choice would probably be to come back. But after that hit and the concussion, no one is going to take a chance on him until he at least starts skating agin, with should be in about 10 days.
I hope he comes back, and we get him for say….2 mil on a contract that has incentives for games played.
If Filatov is actually being dangled by the Blue Jackets, they’re more desperate than I’d thought. Not that Bieksa shouldn’t fetch something worthwhile, but with just one year left before he’s a UFA, and considering his down year and the injuries (even if they were flukes), Filatov seems like a bit much.
And it seems to me that if you were to re-sign Willie Mitchell, another defenseman (in addition to Bieksa) might also have to be moved.
Well, if we sign him at the same as last year. I think Willie is going to be forced to take a lesser deal this year, to prove he isn’t damaged goods.
The injuries are really nothing to consider. They mean nothing. He is not “injury prone” because he had the misfortune of getting his leg cut twice, I would think. Most guys go their whole career and never have that happen.
Even with a “down year”, he had his points.
In truth, Bieksa is a hard hitting defenseman with offensive upside that can get you 40 points. With the market for defensemen being what it is ( check the contracts that got splashed around in FA )…Bieksa should bring a 1st and a prospect.
Basically, what we paid for Ballard. Gillis can make some moves and just keep him. The Canucks are not in huge cap problems anyhow…they only need to make one move.
They have all summer to make it.
( BTW…if it was Filatov straight up, I would make that deal in a second! )
As a bitter drunk man
No, they will not make any such deal. ITS A LOCK! NO CASHING IN ON VANCOUVER’S WEALTH OF defensemAn.
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I’m not sure how i’d feel about a Bieksa trade after all the negative talk i’ve heard from Vancouver fans about him. I also remember him making a stupid move against Patrick Kane in the playoffs that gave the Hawks a free goal; i’m sure that gave Bieksa some big-time negative points in DW’s magical player-assessing machine.
I’d definitely like to see us pursue other options but Bieksa could be a good last resort deal we do later in the summer. Hopefully Willie Mitchell is healthy, he’d be an absolute perfect replacement for Blake imo; he’s a great leader, he’s got a good shot from the point, and he’s a top notch physical shutdown defenseman. With all the defensemen Vancouver has, i’m sure we could offer Mitchell much more than they could, or would.
He's not the perfect replacement.
He may have an okay shot, but his career high is 4 goals. I do really want him, and I think he and Vlasic would be a ridiculous shut-down pairing, but Blake did offer more offense.
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12 goals in 06-07. 11 in 08-09. The other 2 years over the previous 4 year period he missed all that time.
He’s a good offensive blueliner, but overpaid for his defensive mistakes, in my opinion.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
I think he (jwizzle241) was referring to Willie Mitchell.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 5, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Ahhh, good point. My apologies. I shall go back to my own board…haha.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
It's all good haha.
Good to get analysis about players we don’t know much about, too be sure.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 5, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
To be sure*
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 5, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
No defenseman is perfect
Lots of us are nuts over Hjalmarrson (sp.?) and two of his mistakes cost the Hawks goals in the Finals. Dumb mistakes aside, I’d still take an overall solid D-man.
by Chicago Shark on Jul 5, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Mitchell
Trust me, the guy should retire. He’s one small hit away from major brain damage if he doesn’t have that already. My guess is that he ends up somewhere that can overpay him with lots of cap space or someone that wants to get to the salary floor.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

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