A statistical look at Dan Boyle, and why Doug Wilson must improve the defense
I knew this wasn't going to be a popular topic when I began researching the article earlier this week. But when Doug Wilson resigned Niclas Wallin and then subsequently failed to add any of the top free agent defensemen on the market July 1st, I felt as if Dan Boyle's 2009-2010 needed to be looked at a bit closer. Watching him, I felt as if this season just wasn't as spectacular as his first year with the team. A day after the two year anniversary of Doug Wilson's acquisition of Dan Boyle, we'll look at the all-star defenseman's first two years in San Jose.
Now, Boyle didn't have a poor season by any means. Point wise, he scored two more in a game less. So, by basic numbers alone, he continued the strong offensive play that has defined his short career with the San Jose Sharks organization. However, when you look a bit closer, some troubling numbers become apparent.
Most troubling, and equally most obvious, was the high amount of minutes Dan Boyle skated this season. Boyle's minutes jumped from 24:46 in 2008-2009 to 26:13 in the current NHL season. Although that's not the most he's ever played (he played more than 27 minutes in his last two seasons with Tampa Bay), he was the team leader in ice time by a good four minutes this year. You would think that with the increase time, he'd score more. However, his production (minutes played per point scored) increased this season, 34:21 as opposed to 33:21 in last year.
The offensive issues aren't a big deal though, in all reality. He's an elite offensive player and his production last year was on par with his historic average. Although it decreased slightly in terms of production minutes, there's really nothing to worry about there.
Defensively, though? That's a whole 'nother story.
Dan Boyle is never going to be a defensive stopper, and we all know that. But, as the team's most played defensemen, his play in all ends is going to be magnified. Using some data from behindthenet.ca, let's take a look at Boyle's defensive play over the last two years.
You can see the jump there, opponents scored 0.75 goals per 60 minutes more last season when Dan Boyle was on the ice. That 2.76 is last on the team in terms of defensemen. The 1.97 scored when he's off the ice is also lowest on the team.
Add into that that Boyle wasn't even playing against the top competition (his .008 QUALCOMP was less than Blake (0.042), Murray (0.024), Vlasic (0.023), and Wallin (0.17)) , and you're painting a pretty scary picture, especially with the current state of San Jose's blueline.
Boyle's defensive numbers the year before were actually pretty good, which again leads us to believe that the high number of minutes he played (including the Olympics, as well), affected his output in all ends of the ice.
With that observation, I'm inclined to say that it would be wise to limit Dan Boyle's minutes somewhat to maximize his efficiency. With Rob Blake retiring, someone will have to make up for the minutes he played before (21:21 per game). Although Wilson brought Wallin aboard to take on some of the responsibility, we've pointed out before that he's never played more than 18:40 per game in his career, and the most he's played in the last three years was 17:47.
Look, Dan Boyle had a good year. He likely would have been an all-star (he was an Olympian) and he was one of the reasons San Jose made it to the Western Conference finals (I didn't even bring up how solid he was as a penalty killer this year). However, he regressed statistically both offensively and defensively this season, and that's a problem considering that San Jose has one of the worst defenses on paper heading into 2010-2011.
It's a problem because he's going to be playing the same amount, if not more, minutes to make up for that defense. As I've tried to point out in this article, Boyle isn't better the more minutes he plays. Scoring remains flat, and his defensive play takes a nose dive. With Evgeni Nabokov out and a tandem of Thomas Greiss and Antero Niittymaki in, the defense is going to be much more important that it has been in years past. Doug Wilson needs to bring in someone who can alleviate the pressure on Boyle, and in turn improve Boyle's defensive play and efficiency.
However, this player doesn't necessarily have to be a defensive stopper. Vlasic, Murray, and (ugh) Wallin have all shown that they can play that role relatively well. What's also needed is someone who can supplement Dan Boyle offensively and ensure that he isn't the only offensive weapon on the point... that's why Boyle receives the majority of his minutes. Paul Martin, as we have mentioned before, is someone who would have fit the bill perfectly. That's no longer an option, and the remaining high level UFA's are off the market.
Boyle led Sharks defensemen in goals both years he was with the team, with 31 goals scored over the last two years. In that same span, Blake is second with 17. After that, MEV has 9. As much as I believe that Jason Demers will develop into an offensive weapon, I don't think he'll make up for Blake's scoring next year. Vlasic is again going to be counted on to play the shutdown role (a role in which he excels), which will limit his offense. The need is there for offense from the point.
Doug Wilson is going to have a few decisions to make as the season gets closer, and his eye should be on improving the defense. Not only for the sake of his star player, but also for the sake of his team.
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Great analysis
As we all know, it’s crystal clear that DW needs to improve the D. It’s been disappointing to see DW’s lack of action thus far in improving the D but we can only hope he does something at this point (rather than berating for doing nothing so far).
The best outcome I can see is this:
- trade for Bieksa. Cost? 2nd + decent prospect as the Canucks can’t take salary back
- trade Clowe + Huskins for Kaberle (only if DW gets some assurance Kaberle would re-sign with us.)
That would make for a decent D:
Bieksa/Boyle
Vlasic/Kaberle
Wallins/Demers
Moore (or Leach)
This would require trading Murray for a 2nd (to replace our 2nd). The Caps, who lost out on Volchenkov, could be a destination for Murray. They’ve been in need of a tough, stay-at-home dman.
On Martin, I read some Kings blogger who said Lombardi was chasing Martin as well but Martin just didn’t want to come West. If true, what do you do…
Hamhuis was a non-starter as he just wanted to be closer to home in Vancouver.
Our only real shot for a somewhat decent PMD was Ballard. I won’t fault DW for not paying that price (equivalent would have been Clowe, Couture and a 1st – actually, that’s a better package than Grabner, Bernier and a 1st but close)
I don't think we could get a 2nd for Murray.
3rd or a 4th is probably more likely.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 5, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
The Caps are desperate...
for a tough, stay-at-home dman… In any case, if we could snag Bieksa and Kaberle, I’d deal Murray for a 3rd or 4th+ decent prospect.
I love Crankshaft’s hits but that’s about all he has to offer.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 5, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice writeup
Is there a way to gauge how effective the forwards were defensively that were on the ice when Boyle was? I’m only asking because Boyle didn’t look that much more ineffective defensively this last year than the previous season. Murray seemed to make more mistakes as well.
We just traded who for who?!
a tandem of Thomas Greiss and Antero Niittymaki in
Has there been any official word that they’ll be working as a tandem/platoon, or is this just speculation? I know they’ll literally be a tandem because those are the 2 goalies, but is there word that they’ll be splitting time?
I’m thinking $2mill is a little high for a guy to come in not as a starter, especially given Meth Squirrel is under $600K. I wouldn’t mind seeing Nitty play 2 or 3, then Greiss play 1 until/unless someone claims the spot outright.
The tandem might be weighted more heavily towards Niitty, but not as much as it was when Nabokov is there. Starts will probably be closer to 60%-40%.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 5, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
remember Nabokov/Toskala?
it’s going to be like that. Win and stay in. I agree with TCY and that we will probably see a 60/40 split
by waive kent huskins on Jul 5, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
60/40 is what I figured as well
but I hadn’t heard anything about a Nabby/Tosk style tandem officially. I’m assuming that Niitty is the starter until further notice
by Chicago Shark on Jul 5, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Boyle's numbers went down cause he played w/ Murray
Murray is a great hitter, but he’s slow and makes a lot of mistakes…We need Mitchell or Bieksa w/ Boyle to compensate for Boyle’s jumping in and trade Murray…but it’s looking pretty gloomy as of now… :-(
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I was going to ask the same sort of questions
Douglas Murray was playing drastically higher minutes. He was an upgrade over Brad Lukowich, who was Boyle’s preferred partner his first season with the team, but maybe not by much.
The numbers show Boyle’s game fell flat, and it’s pretty evident that the team lacked depth overall due to overplaying of Boyle, and HTML.
The team clearly needs some lynchpin players to eat minutes and balance ice time. A healthy Vlasic will help immensely, but there definitely needs to be at least one more d-man.
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Agreed. Murray isn’t an elite guy by any means, but he wasn’t terrible either. Boyle regression was more likely due to the minutes he played.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 5, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah they really need to get him some rest
I would really like to see DW get someone who can eat up some minutes, preferably more than Blake did last year. I also think that in the early season (perhaps the first half) to really get Demers and 3rd line partner more time on the ice in all situations. I understand sheltering the 3rd line pairing, but I also think if you can get them more ice time at the beginning of the year they can improve their game.
i agree on giving the 3rd pairing more ice-time early in the season.
by PNK on Jul 6, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Murray played against some tough competition
It seems TMac has cast him as his shutdown guy, but considering a lot of the best players in the current NHL are quick, shifty players like Kane and Datsyuk, this may be a coaching mistake. The advanced metrics seem to show that, overall, Vlasic is pretty clearly the best Dman on the Sharks. Deep down, I hope TMac plays him and Demers together, as they showed some spark together. It won’t be bring em out of their seats, smash mouth hockey. But I think it would be surprisingly effective.
Not so sure...
I don’t know if I can see Murray as an “upgrade” over Lukowich, not when it comes to that particular role (pairing with Boyle). If I’m not mistaken, Boyle and Lukowich were a defensive partnership for several years when they were both in Tampa. It may be that they had formed some sort of synergy, where they each knew exactly where the other would be and how to cover.
Once Lukowich was dealt, it may be that Boyle needed a bit of adjustment to play with some other defensive partner. It might not be specifically Murray’s fault, but rather a new pairing that needs a few years to gel.
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Wallin on the top pair with Boyle
would at least make hamburgers earn his paycheck. More mobile and defensively aware than Murray. Murray and Huskins I think would make a nice 3rd pair, and maybe free up Huskins to play a little more pen. We never got to see “HUskins Time” like how Earl SLeek said we might.
We saw Wallin with Boyle for a while after the trade
The results left a lot to be desired. Boyle seemed to be a mess, Wallin didn’t seem to fit in the system yet—I was pretty thrilled when they went back to the Boyle/Murray pairing near the end of the season, and it’s not like they were great all season long, obviously.
During the end of the season,
It certainly looked like Boyle was tired and overplayed. After the Olympics and going in to the playoffs, he just seemed to lack that extra step or that 5% extra energy. This isn’t his fault. We relied way too much for Boyle in all situations.
We need to get another Dman or two to take some of the weight off of Boyle’s shoulders.
For sure
towards the end of the season you could really see he had lost a step, expecially when he was bringing the puck up the ice. In the early season you would see him bring the puck from his end all the way to the offensive zone, weaving through the neutral zone. But towards the end of the season if was rare if he brought it up to the red line.
I think this is a pretty good argument for why we should trade for Kaberle. Kaberle is an elite offensive weapon from the blueline…and can be in on the pp and in crunchtime so Boyle doesn’t have to be relied on so heavily. I really do think we need two D men still. Kaberle, for a 2nd pairing puck mover to pair with Vlasic, and then a shutdown type to pair with Boyle. Then the first and second pairings can even their minutes out, and no one should get too overused.
I still think Clowe will be part of a trade to bring Kaberle over…the teams, in this case, just seem to match up too well for it to not happen. Someone could always offer Toronto more, I guess.
The defensive D man, however, will probably be harder to come by. Bieksa isn’t really top pairing worthy. Mitchell is coming off an injury…who knows what he’ll be capable of. Who else is out there? Guess we’ll see what happens…
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As I posted above, acquiring both Bieksa and Kaberle is possible. You could then split Boyle’s time 75% with Bieska and 25% with Wallin. Bieksa may not be top pairing worthy but he is a better player than Wallin or Murray – the other 2 partners that would likely be Boyle’s partner as it stands now.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 5, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah this pretty much exactly how i feel.
I’d like to see Kaberle with Vlasic and a top shutdown defensemen (preferably one who can handle a puck and who has a pretty good shot as well) paired with Boyle.
I’m not all that confident in Bieksa being a top defenseman that we rely on so heavily. A fully healthy Willie Mitchell would be perfect, but there’s probably no way to tell how truly healthy he is now. Jan Hejda would be absolutely perfect as well, but that’s probably a pipe dream.
Sigh, i’m just gonna put my faith in DW and hope he does his thing to improve the shit outta our defense.
That's a fair argument for Kaberle
However, as you acknowledge, we still need a Defensive D-man. If Clowe is the cost for bringing in Kaberle, what would we then give up to bring in our Vlasic or Keith?
For that particular reason, I’ll still side against trading for Kaberle. Good move, but not the move the team needs, and a sacrifice of resources possibly better spent elsewhere. I’m still happy to wait for a Kaberle deal that proves me wrong, however.
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Clowe probably has to be in any deal for Kaberle. The hope would be then for a deal for a Bieksa type that gives up draft picks and maybe a prospect…or a signing of like Willie Mitchell. That would be my ideal setup, anyways…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 5, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think many other teams are that interested in losing a top pairing defenseman for Ryane Clowe and his 3.6 million dollar cap hit. Maybe a deal with Sather for Marc Staal? There are probably a couple possibilities out there but i don’t think trading Clowe for Kaberle would really limit ourselves very much when it comes to finding a defensive defenseman.
Most other trades would probably just require us to trade picks and prospects. Ideally though, we’d sign a healthy Willie Mitchell not lose any resources.
I feel like adding another puck moving defenseman is now almost as big a need as signing a top shutdown defenseman. If only we could’ve gotten Paul Martin we could’ve hit 2 birds with 1 stone.
I wonder if it would be possible to trade Douglass Murray and a 2nd round pick for Jan Hejda? I mean Hejda’s contract only has a year on it; he’ll definitely require a healthy raise and may very well sign with a different team. Meanwhile Murray’s contract isn’t up until 2013, and he’ll remain at a very fair 2.5 million cap hit. Plus they’d also be getting a second rounder, and we could probably throw in a lower level prospect or a late round draft pick. Jan Hejda at a 2 million cap hit would do wonders for our defense.
That’s actually a pretty plausible trade, if you ask me…gives a team like Columbus a shutdown guy at a reasonable rate for the longer term, and some future help (through the pick and/or prospect), and we get a guy who’s can be paired with Boyle and really solidify the top line. Still don’t think they trade Hejda til the deadline, but it’s always worth a shot, should DW wish to go that direction (and he’s been known to get what he wants through trades before).
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 5, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Ryane Clowe and his 57 pts...
would have led 5 teams in scoring this year. (Boston, Edm, Nash, StL, and Tor).
There are some teams out there desperate for point production. I’d pay 3.6M in a heartbeat for a guy who’d be my team’s leading scorer.
I didn’t say he wasn’t good, but i doubt those teams would be willing to lose a top pairing defenseman to get Ryan Clowe.
and no Souray doesn’t count as a top pairing defenseman. Do not want.
Yes, but a team like St. Louis might...
They just resigned Colaiacovo, they have a lot of money tied up in Barret Jackman and Brewer, and they STILL need to pay RFA Erik Johnson…
They might be looking to shop a guy like Roman Polak…who’s a solid young d-man.
Wouldn’t mind him on the blue line in SJ.
Burkie loves truculence.
Hopefully Clowe has enough of that, and testosterone, pugnacity, etc.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 5, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anybody else in the world actually use the word truculence
I mean other than people referring to Burke. I swear to god I have never heard that word except by him, and most often people talking about him. I am inclined to believe that he invented that shit.
Not that I know of haha.
The only time I use it is when talking about the Leafs.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 5, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW, for anyone who didn’t hear DW’s interview after the Niittymaki signing, DW did say he was working on improving defense (in his own DW way) so don’t worry yourself so much thinking our defense will remain exactly the same.
He said that they were trying to address the areas that where they lost “veteran guys”. He said that in goal they lost Nabby, and they signed Antero Niittymaki to address that. He said they lost Manny, and he thinks Logan Couture can fill his spot. Then he said, “so you could say that..we could be looking for a defenseman…”. Although he also made sure to mention that Derek Joslin, Mike Moore, Nick Petrecki, and Matt Irwin would be coming in soon to “show us what they can do.”
Which reminds me, we haven’t talked about Matt Irwin at all. What do we know about him really? After DW signed him this March he said, “Matt is a pro-style defenseman with an excellent blend of offense and defense.” He seems to have been a great player in the NCAA, but he hasn’t even really played in the AHL yet so i’m guessing we probably won’t see him in the NHL anytime soon.
What about Grebeshkov?
He is a UFA now. Didn’t have a great year last year, but his name has been mentioned before. He averaged over 20 minutes of ice time last year. Maybe could get him for less than $3 million after Nashville didn’t offer him a contract. Right now he is looking at the KHL (per On the Forecheck http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2010/7/1/1547020/thursdays-notes-nhls-shopping)
Anybody think he would like to play in Teal?
With Ivano saying he has been touted as the next Gonchar/Zubov.
Absolutely, I’d love to see him in teal.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 5, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, please!!
If Wilson signs Grebe, I won’t say a single evil word about him till the next season is over.
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Qualcomp
You might want to check qualcomp for Boyle on PK. Not as depressing as 5on5.
You would also be wise to check historic qualcomp on Wallin. He was on a weak Carolina defense where is qualcomp was not very good.
I mentioned above that Boyle was a very good penalty killer last season.
I also was only using qualcomp numbers last year, as Wallin’s historic qualcomp numbers have little to do with this article.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 5, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The issue on Wallin’s historical qualcomp comes up when DW titles him as a shutdown dman. He should be top 2 in qualcomp on his team if he is that. I didn’t find any years where he reached those heights.
The other issue that the Sharks have is an overall poor Corsi for the blueline. That is part of the issue that DW was talking about in offense from the defense. It’s Boyle followed by a dramatic dropoff. The issue showed up dramatically in the playoffs as the big 3 followed through with abysmal Corsi’s against top competition. Without Boyle behind them, they suffered greatly. If not for the Avs series, it would have been even worse.
My take is that the changes for the Sharks so far this off-season will result in a poorer teamwide Corsi than last year, decreasing the shot differential and therefore goal differential with their opponents in the regular season.
DW should have been looking for a guy with a top 2 qualcomp on his team along with a marginally positive Corsi. Top 2 qualcomp and significantly positive Corsi means #1 dman like Pronger which was too much to hope for.
How about Souray?
Opinions on Souray defensively? I haven’t seen him play much, but I’ve had him on my Fantasy teams. He seems to score well (especially on the PP). But he takes a lot of penalties and gets injured quite a bit from blocking shots. I think he can be had for cheap since he was put on waivers by EDM. Comments?
No on Souray
He’s a old, expensive, injury prone, washed up defensemen. He sucks on defense more than any other player currently on the Sharks defense (including Leach) and isn’t worth his 5.4M cap hit for the next 2 seasons.
I have 0 interest in Souray and I believe Wilson has echoed the same interest level, which is comforting to me.
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Also
If we’re going offensive minded, I’d much rather have Kaberle. He’s cheaper and better in pretty much every way.
The trade will cost more, but we have to move salary to get him on the team anyway.
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I like to think that maybe on a better team, Kaberle could boost his production to levels from a few years ago—such as in ’05-06, when he had a whopping 51 power play points. The defense is an issue, but maybe paired with someone like Vlasic he would be better off.
So Easy, looking at realistic trade targets and remaining free agents (Mitchell?), who does strike you as fitting the bill nicely for what the Sharks truly need—from the statistical approach and beyond?
We’ve already talked about some of the teams facing cap crunches—like with Vancouver and Bieksa being a target for many teams—but it seems Calgary could be in a similar situation. They still have to re-sign Ian White, who is RFA and would be appealing; what’s the opinion of Robyn Regehr? Contract’s a bit heavy for what he provides, but he’d be a pretty defensively-responsible, physical presence maybe to pair with Vlasic or Boyle.
$4.02 million—signed through 2013. Just turned 30 in April, he’s coming off his two most paltry offensive outputs since 2002-2003.
We wouldn’t be getting him for his offense. He’d look awesome next to Boyle on the top pairing.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 6, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, definitely. Part of my thinking was that with the lower numbers (and, admittedly, some tailing off of his strong defensive play) he might be more available now than ever and the demands might be lower.
If only we could get Giordano. He is a UFA next year, but knowing how DW operates with free agents, I won’t even dream.
Don't count on Power Play numbers looking anything like 05-06 for anyone.
Everyone had ridiculously high numbers that year.
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Few options I’ve been mulling over
Option 1: Jackman and Bieksa
Trade Clowe + Huskins for Barret Jackman + 2nd (or equivalent prospect)
Trade 2nd + Mitchell (or prospect) for Bieksa (yes, I know he’s much maligned but I still think he’d be good paired w/ Vlasic)
Jackman/Boyle
Vlasic/Bieksa
Wallins/Demers
Jackman can handle 22-23 TOI and has a high QUALCOMP. If I’m reading the Corsi stats correctly, he’s positive there as well so he’d be a good partner for Boyle.
Option 2: Mitchell + Kaberle
Sign Willie for 1 yr @ $3m. Trade Clowe + Huskins for Kaberle
Mitchell/Boyle
Vlasic/Kaberle
Wallins/Demers
Option 3: Burns + Mitchell
Trade Seto + Huskins + ? for Burns
Mitchell: ditto as #2
Mitchell/Boyle
Vlasic/Burns
Wallins/Demers
You could probably mix/match some of these or swap out Kaberle for John-Michael Liles (who’d be cheaper to acquire than Kaberle. Not a huge fan of Liles though).
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 6, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Isthistheyear gave a summary. I don’t have time to do all the lookups at behindthenet, but it is a good starting point. Remember that QUALCOMP and Corsi are the key indicators.
Comment on Regehr and Mitchell are that they are excellent shutdowns but fall way short on puck movement. IMO, they really missed the boat on Hamhuis and Ballard. I am more in favor of a two-way guy who is good on both sides of the puck. We just saw a finals where both top 4’s had puckmovers all the way through with shutdown being secondary although they did have a couple of guys with excellent shutdown ratings. Going too much offense at the expense of defense or too much defense at the expense of offense will hurt the Sharks.
Yeah, I’ve really been thinking of that two-way defenseman, and I was really pushing hard for Ballard. Of course, the Sharks just didn’t really have the pieces to give away in exchange for him (like the Canucks did), but then that goes back to some problems with our farm system and some of the pieces that DW has unnecessarily given away in deadline deals and the like.
This is why, to me, getting a guy like Regehr or Mitchell is nice, but not totally fulfilling because our defensive problems aren’t solely about shutting the opponents down, but also moving the puck up ice in a way that will generate offense.
And yes, looking at the behindthenet numbers really shows something when comparing the Calgary defensemen, like Regehr and Giordano.
Can't trade Murray
For all his shortcomings, he’s the only person on the Sharks who brings a legit physical edge to his game (combined with size). Think about it, with blueliners like MEV, Boyle, Demers, Huskins, and Wallin, who would you have that could punish people along the boards. Losing Murray would mean the second best hitter would be the 5’8" Scott Nichol on the 4th line.
Chicago and Detroit have maybe one physical defenseman between them
I actually look to Vlasic becoming more physical as he grows into his frame, because he’s still like 12 years old, and he’s shown an increased willingness to play the body.
But your point is well taken. If Murray is shipped out, I would hope it’s for a younger player in a similar mold with improved skating ability.
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I also like that Murray seems—even though he just turned 30—to still be on a slight incline in his development and he’s under contract for three more years. He’s adding a little more offensive awareness to his game, and he does bring that physicality that is fairly rare these days.
With both Wallin’s and Huskins’ contracts up after next season (and not to be re-signed), I think it’d be nice to have some stability on the blue line for a few years to come: Boyle, Vlasic, Murray, Demers, Moore, [addition this summer, hopefully for more than just one year], [bottom pairing, cheap addition next summer to replace Wallin/Huskins and split games with Moore]. I mean, I still like to think of us as Cup contenders for a few more years, so staying solid on defense is quite critical, obviously.
Just replace Murray with another hitting dman
Mitchell, Regehr or Jackman would all fit the bill. Wallins is somewhat physical.
I like Crankshaft but I don’t like Crankshaft at $2.5m for 3 more years as the #5 dman and unfortunately, I don’t think he can handle (at least) 20 min TOI (which, to me, is the minimum requirement for a top 4 dman).
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 6, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't hold my breath
Traditionally, DW likes to promote from within, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes no move at all except signing a veteran D-lister to start out in Worcester while he gives Demers, Moore and Petrecki some time with the big club. Leach, who was given a new one year contract today, is also going to see some time.
If one of the youngsters don’t step up, then we might see a trade. That’s my gut, anyway.

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