San Jose signs Niklas Hjalmarsson to four year, $14.0MM offer sheet
by FTF Staff on Jul 9, 2010 11:36 AM PDT
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In a story line that cries cutthroat revenge, Doug Wilson has signed burgeoning defensive stalwart Niklas Hjalmarsson to a 4 year, $14MM offer sheet.
The 23 year old Stanley Cup Winner would count for $3.5MM against the cap. Chicago has seven days to match the exact offer given to Hjalmarsson-- if they choose to let him walk, San Jose would give up a first and third round selection in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft.
It's been well documented that Chicago has dealt with major salary cap issues since winning the 2010 Stanley Cup, and they've had to move out a significant portion of their Stanley Cup winning roster-- Brent Sopel, Dustin Byfuglin, Kris Versteeg and Andrew Ladd have all found new homes as of today. However, with a significant amount of money still assigned to Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Patrick Sharp, Brent Seabrook, Cristobal Huet, Brian Campbell, and Duncan Keith, these issues have not subsided. Add into that the approximately $4MM that will count against the cap due to performance bonuses, as well as the upcoming negotiations with goaltender Antti Niemi, Chicago still has a long way to go before they become solvent.
Currently, Chicago has nine forwards, four defensemen, and one goalie under contract. With three forwards, two defensemen and Antti Niemi left to sign, they have approximately $3.6MM in cap space (according to Cap Geek).
Here's where things get interesting. Assuming they move Cristobal Huet to the minors, they free up another $5.625MM, leaving them with $9.225MM to work with. If Niemi signs for somewhere in the $2.5MM range they now have about $6.7MM to fill out their roster. Adding Hjalmarsson into the mix, that leaves them $3.2MM for three forwards, a defenseman, and a backup goaltender.
Each of these players would be required to sign at an average of $640,000 per year, which is doable considering the league minimum salary of $500,000. Furthermore, letting Niemi walk is also a possibility, and is currently being discussed as the most desirable solution at Chicago Blackhawks blog Second City Hockey.
"In all honesty, I really don't think that's going to make the Hawks blink. Frankly, I'll be shocked if Hammer isn't matched," author Sam Fels writes. "That would probably grease Niemi's wheels out of town, but I know which one I'd rather have."
Chicago, along with every other NHL organization, also has a 10% cap cushion to play with in the coming months until they are required to become cap compliant before the regular season begins.
However, the four year term allocated to Hjalmarsson does pose some problems for Chicago. As Fear The Fin commenter Vancitydan pointed out, defenseman Brent Seabrook is up for contract next offseason and will command a significant raise above his current salary of $3.5MM per year.
We covered the prospect of offer sheeting Hjalmarsson three weeks ago, and here is a the rationale for doing so:
While the Sharks aren't mentioned in this article, the addition of Niklas Hjalmarsson to the San Jose blueline would be a great addition to the team. We highlighted his underrated abilities before the Western Conference Finals, and true to form, the man they call The Hammer was a notable presence on the ice for the Blackhawks.
Extending an offer sheet to Hjalmarsson is an interesting situation. Anything under $3.01MM would only result in the Sharks losing next year's 2nd round pick, and anything from $3.01MM to about $4.5MM would result in losing next year's 1st and 3rd round selections. The former is definitely the most intriguing for a Sharks team whose cupboard is growing bare after years of buy deals, and the ability to bring in a promising young defenseman onto the blueline makes the waning strength of the system less of a factor.
Another route the Sharks could go would be to trade their first round selection to the Blackhawks for Hjalmarsson's rights. While this may strike some as ludicrous considering it would be the third straight year the Sharks have failed to draft in the first round, giving up a first round selection for a promising defenseman would likely be worth the same return (if not better) than what you would expect from the 28th pick in the NHL Draft.
A recent contract signed by Dennis Seidenberg ($3.25MM average over the next four years) shows us that a premium has been placed on free agent defensemen this offseason, likely bumping projected prices up at least half a million dollars. With the Sharks having some pretty significant holes to fill, it's uncertain how aggressively Doug Wilson will approach an area he hasn't had a lot of success in over the years. Signing one UFA defenseman is likely where San Jose draws the line, since it's the second tier guys who will really burn you in a weak market.
At a $3MM offer sheet Hjalmarsson is a steal, and the 2nd round pick is but a cursory concern when you consider how young (22) and talented he is. Extending offer sheets is risky business considering the notable RFA's San Jose will be dealing with in the coming years (Pavelski, Setoguchi, Demers, Couture, McGinn), but for a team that needs defensive help any way they can find it, burning a bridge with an unlikely trade partner (Chicago) is a calculated risk that could pay off big dividends.
We like the idea, especially when you consider what a second rounder is worth in the eyes of Doug Wilson.
Although that piece focused on second round compensation, we both feel that a first and third rounder is a suitable price for a player who is 23 years old and on the upswing of his career. Hjalmarsson gives the Sharks that top three defensive defenseman we have been craving for a long time now, and opens up the possibility for San Jose to pursue a more offensive minded defenseman to complement the power play.
A week from now the decision will be official, with Hjalmarsson wearing either a San Jose or Chicago jersey. Until then, we expect Wilson will be quiet on the trade front as making another move at this juncture could expose some glaring holes in his roster.
A contract for Devin Setoguchi, however, isn't out of the question, and would give Wilson a better idea of where he stands in terms of cap space.
Go Sharks.
The initial fanshot breaking this story can be found here.
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Damn I love this move on every freaking level.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
And so does Hammer, I'm sure
It’s like he gets to kick back and watch two good looking women fight over him. Either way, he wins.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 9, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
At what point
Does he take off his shirt and say “I’m going in!”
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I bet his agent does, too
probably will send DW a care package for doing his work for him.
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
The more I think about it, the less I am confident that Chicago won’t match.
Oh, and finally got around to changing my signature.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
You do, but Doug Wilson doesn’t.
I might have to tweak it a bit.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
I like how sbnation already has him listed as a Shark on Hammer's profile page
by jMoneyBrah on Jul 9, 2010 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
God I LOVE IT!
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 9, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Good calculated risk
Very apt description. There are few defenseman of Hjalmarsson’s caliber available. It’s been pointed out that he’s certainly not the best defenseman at his price, but those guys aren’t available. Hjalmarsson is, and making a legitimate attempt to acquire him is a positive sign.
That being said, yes, Chicago matches this offer sheet. They can’t afford not to. I know Jack Skille is young and Brent Seabrook needs a new contract next season, but it’s already been established that Defense is important. If anything, this just means Chicago will have brand new younger and cheaper goaltending next season. No way Huet and Niemi stay with Chicago at this point. I think they are willing to take that risk. Especially if they keep their defensive core in tact. Brent Sopel is a fine defenseman, but Chicago will hardly miss him, not with the potential of Skille to make the team.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Wow, I'm an idiot
I thought Skille was a D-man. Yeah, the Hawks DEFINITELY have to keep Hammer. They just can’t afford to let him go. They have no replacement for him.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
perhaps you were
thinking of LaLonde. Could use more time in Rockford, but he’ll definitely get a shot.
If they match, poach Skille and sign Seto and move on…its all good. Creates some more trade options too.
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
poach Skille?
Sounds extremely silly, so I must ask. Why?
Can someone explain to me how Chicago can just move Huet to the minors?
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Just like we demoted Kyle McLaren couple of years ago.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
Put him through waivers? It’s not a difficult process.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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I guess I just don’t properly understand waivers, so if they send him down his salary doesn’t count against the cap at all?
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I believe if they put him there before the seasons starts
he won’t count against the cap until/if they bring him up
Huet's cap hit stays on the books...
until about 12 days before the season starts. But since teams are allowed to go over the cap by 10% during the offseason, it’s pretty much a moot point. Huet = 10% overage.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 9, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine the FTF panic when Chi does match the offer.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
Meh, it’ll suck but at the same time we can start placing bets on the next core player to be shipped out of Chicago to make room.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
exactly.
Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.
by sharks in oc on Jul 9, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, just a thought
Chicago’s minor league affiliate is in Rockford, right?
Is that closer to Brian Campbell’s family?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Haha, would be very relevant if the redheaded clown didn’t have NMC in his contract.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
Damn
Oh well, his is the contract that’ll just keep giving (or taking).
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When Chicago matches
We just strap in and wait to offer Brent Seabrook a contract next season. Also, we laugh when Chicago plays next season with 9 AHLers or Brad Staubitzes.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
They probably can’t afford to keep Seabrook if they sign Hammer.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Seabrook head our way, although Bowman would be mad to trade him to San Jose.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
They’re getting 4 mil in cap space next year back, they’ll be able to afford Seabrook since he already makes 3.5.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Yes, but I’m not sure they’ll still have enough…
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
They would never in a million years pay Seabrook 7.5. How will they not have enough?
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Only that you’re assuming they aren’t signing anyone else next year….just sayin’
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Duncan Keith's cap hit is only $5.1M
Seabrook will not make more than him. So pencil him in for a raise of about $1M. With Huet gone, the world looks much rosier for them.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
The bigger question for the Hawks is...
(assuming they match Hammer)
Do they want to tie so much up of their salary structure in their core? No guarantees the cap keeps going up.
They match Hammer and re-sign Seabrook for $5m (a fair estimate, I think). Then they have around $11-14m for 2 goalies, 3 Dmen, 1 top 6 fwd, the entire bottom and an extra fwd. Basically, AHL rookies on ELCs + washed up vets for under ($1m)…
BTW, Keith is $5.5 but that’s minor delta
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 11, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
$9.6M additional next season
Bonus hits will be gone ($4M) as well as Huet’s ($5.6M), also include the 10% over on a likely $62.5M ($6.25M) Cap for 2011-12, that will give the Hawks even more room to play with next off season than this year.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 10, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Huet
Is coming off the books this season. You don’t get his salary back twice.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Huet is "coming" off the books this season
But right now, and until just before the regular season he IS NOT. So this time next year, his salary will not be a factor, but today his $5.6M still plays into the CAP +10%.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 11, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Not true
Unless you find a trade partner, Huet’s back on your books next offseason. But it’s probably moot since you’ll stash him in the AHL or Europe again.
$62.5m cap for 2011-12 is just a SWAG. Nothing more. The NHLPA keeps voting to use the 5% escrow to prop up the cap. No guarantees they keep doing that…
Let me ask you this… If you match Hammer and actually re-sign Seabrook (who lets say gets $5m), are you comfortable having $46+m tied up in your top 9 (Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Bolland, Soupy, Keith, Seabrook, and Hammer) for few seasons after that? You’d basically be filling your depth with rookies and washed up vets. Pretty much what you have to do this year. If the Hawks vaunted prospect pool really is that deep, many of those players will just end up being dealt to other teams once their ELCs expire…
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 11, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
He will be bought out next if needed
At that point it is a two year $1.8M hit, not a four year like this year. That is manageable. HUET will be off the books this time next year one way or another, trade or buy-out or he bails.
Comfortable with $46M+ tied up in them, yes for a core like that. That still means ~$15M+ for the other 12 as role players and that should grow each year, I have no issue with this. It is in 5 years I am concerned (Toews, Kane contracts expire).
I feel confident the league will post >$2B in profits next season to let the NHLPA have the CAP increase by 5% again like the past two seasons, so it is not totally a SWAG (Sonar Wild Ass Guess, since I am a Sonarman it fits)
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 11, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
The Cap +10% thing is moot. His cap hit this year is only slightly more than your penalty for bonuses, and he’s less than the 10% allowed. You can still go over the cap (just barely) without worrying about his salary. No team goes 10% over that I’ve ever seen because there is no reason to. You have to shed that salary before the season starts and it’s basically there for this exact reason.
You’re most likely going to fill part of your roster with rookies, so they don’t count as part of your Cap + 10% currently.
Huet goes away this year since he’s being burried, and there is little to no chance he comes back next year. You’re not getting 10M back next year between him and the bonuses. You are already counting him as gone this offseason as you restructure the team. You get the 4.whatever from bonus penalties back, that’s it.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I'm not counting him as gone this season (Until Game 1 when he is the most expensive goalie in the AHL)
You can’t CAP wise since the hit is still their. But next season at worst his hit will be ~$1.8M for a buy out, meaning from him alone that is a net of $3.8M more, plus $4M is Cap bonus hits this year (I do not see of our entry level guys racking up Toews-Kane stats to max bonuses) that is a net of $7.8M. If Huet is moved during the Season (meh, doubtful) it is a total net of $9.6M, the Hawks will have in the same situation next year, they do not have room to work with now.
I am counting his hit in the factors since you have to, it matters. This year is going to be tight, but after this season (provided the NHL can hit ~$2.2B in revenue this coming season) the Hawks pockets will start to open up.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 14, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
do you expect the Sharks to have more money than the Hawks? I don’t know your contract situation, but it’s hard to fathom this. Seabrook might only average out $1.5-2 more per season than what he makes now. And with the bonus hit coming off the books, it’s hard to see a scenerio where he’s not kept on the team.
All the regulars will be fine with it.
The lurkers will go nuts, though.
(Hmm… I think that statement could apply to anything the Sharks ever do.)
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I'm not sure where I land
but if that’s the case I won’t go nuts but I’ll definitely be sad panda…:(
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 9, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahaha
yes, indeed I am not.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 9, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Where’s that photoshopped picture of Hjalmarsson in a Sharks jersey?? I wanna post that on Second City Hockey lool.
Oh HAI.....
we meet again. You look very nom in teal. How do you say that in Swedish?
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 9, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
i might be a bit off but its my best guess...
fuck finland
by DucksSuckQuackQuack on Jul 9, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhm I hope not...
only because we just acquired a Finnish goalie…if the D and the goalie don’t get along we have a problem. Might be more like…hey we together join forces win da cup ja? Okie then we go back spit in each others face. LOL
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 9, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
if you think what ballard did to voukoun was bad...
by DucksSuckQuackQuack on Jul 9, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
yea we want none of that here
that was just awful…pure and simple awful.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 9, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking in Swedish it's "Nomnomnom." Maybe with a few dots over the "o"s.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Aye.
Bet it would look even better in a pile on the floor of my bedroom.
To far?
But my ‘merican mind still can’t grasp how the J is all up on the H.
haha +1
The HJ combination is really disturbing. It’s pronounced like “HY” but still
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 10, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
is it just me?
But im a fan of HJs :P
by animadiversion on Jul 10, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Cap issues for both teams
This is going to put cap pressure on either team he goes to. The Sharks still haven’t signed Setoguchi and need a couple other forwards to boot.
http://route19.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/sharks-sign-nik-hjalmarsson-to-offer-sheet/
I still think Chicago matches. 3.5 probably isn’t enough that Chicago has to let him walk. But it will make things interesting for them…and they’ll have no goalie, and no 3rd or 4th lines, and no 3rd D pairing. Still a good move by DW…and a great one should we actually get him.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look up how much Chicago has left to sign NINE players…then let me know how they match. Only if Hjalmarsson takes less to stay.
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
and who’s in goal? John Goodman with a brat and a beer?
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't tool on Turco
Anyone that goes toe-to-toe for 7 periods is OK in my book.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
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by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 3:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Goldberg
Nashty...
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Or Julie "The Cat" Gaffney.
Whichever one’s cheaper.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably Goldberg...
Nashty...
Proud member of the "We Love Ushankas Club"
WHO'S NEXT?!
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i bet he would take a lot of spearing penalties…
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by PNK on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
They can't let Niemi walk since he's going to arbitration.
No other team can offer sheet him.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 9, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
They can decide not to pay the arbitration cost (look at Jiri Hudler last year) and let him go as a UFA. Then any team can sign him (my money being the Flyers).
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Ah, my bad.
I was pretty unclear on how arbitration works, but that makes sense. That would be so cold if the Flyers signed him.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 9, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes they can let him walk
But they loose ALL negotiating rights, and can not trade FOR for 1 year, per CBA.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 10, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I know…just seeing if anyone was paying attention. ;-)
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t think DW had it in him to fuck over a franchise like this. It’s either a good move short term if Chicago let’s him walk, or a good move long-term as they’ll have to trade more players to have any hope of signing Seabrook next year.
This is one consolation that we’re never the front-runner in the July 1st free-agent sweepstakes nonsense. We don’t have any Brian Campbell contracts poisoning the well for years.
i've seen this several times now...
why do you think Seabs will not be signed by the Hawks next year?
This is why DW is prilliant. On the Ice, we play hockey. In the off-season, we play CHESS.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
er...brilliant. Redbull is kicking in. LOL.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
What if...
We signed Mitchell for 3.5MM? I’m not sure what Mitchell would command on the market, but would we rather have Mitchell at that price and not give up the draft picks, or have Hammer at that price and give up the draft picks to Chicago?
Hammer – 23 years old but lose the draft picks
Mitchell – 33 years old, but keep the draft picks
Easy
Hammer and give up the low end picks
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Is the idea that you’d put Hammer next to Vlasic as a shutdown pairing or is he a replacement for Murray?
Who knows!
Wouldn’t it be hilarious though if the pairing was Huskins or Wallin with Hammer?
That would just complete this whole headfuck of a day.
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Sounds like a construction crew.
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by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 3:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Both..
Think Murray’s a goner now. No idea how to keep him on a 22-man roster if we get Hammer.
And Pickles/Hammer would be a sweet shutdown pairing. Hammer did well defensively last year even when paired w/ that Ginger Nancy
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 9, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
God, no.
DNFW Murray. That guy can be an awesome pairing to backup goalie issues. Remember that stick placement on the disputed goal in game 3 vs CHI.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
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by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 3:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Figured it out
Trade Huskins & Mitchell instead. That works, too.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 10, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That’d work better, I think, because Vlasic’s only problem is dislodging guys from the front of the net. Although I guess Hammer can probably do that too… I don’t know, just play Kent Huskins as much as possible. That’s all I ask.
agreed
new plan for the sharks D… clone huskins… a lot
Huskins-Huskins
Huskins- Huskins
Huskins- WALLIN
thats a formula for success….right? ha
by tealstherealdeal92 on Jul 10, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
absolutely
6 stanley sup winners on a defense. sold!
by withintheruins14 on Jul 10, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
wait this isn’t meant as sarcasm? Oh yeah I keep forgetting, some people like Huskins.
I think he’s somewhat terrible and then occasionally “okay”
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 10, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he ends up being paired with Boyle. He played well paired with Campbell last season, so he’s proven that he can cover for an offensive D man. Murray can move down with Vlasic and be a decent shutdown pairing of their own.
This is all, of course, assuming another move is not made.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 9, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
God damnit
This almost makes me dislike the Sharks. Poaching RFA’s :-p. That said, I can’t see a scenario where the Hawks don’t match we have about 9 MM left after we dismiss Huet to the AHL where he will stay for the next two years. and we basically have two major parts left to call up: Hjalmarrsson and Niemi. Given a choice between hte two, I think you thank Niemi for his services but you’re going to let him go. Iw ould rather keep Hjalmarsson at 3.25 a year than worry about Niemi.
Stop whining
Did you honestly think NO ONE would offer sheet your RFA’s? Wake up. You did this to yourselves…you won the cup because of it. Time to pay the piper
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not whining
and i still think the Hawks match this offer sheet.
Well...
Corey Crawford could be used as a serviceable backup. If he wont’ sign there’s a variety of cheapish decent goaltenders on the market that can be signed for 1 year. Turco is an example, (although he just turend down 2 mil from Philly); Emery is coming off a huge surgery but he could be had cheaply.
I think this is the fly in the ointment…just my opinion.
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be...
But here’s the Hawks roster as it stands (thanks Germware from SCH)
Kane(6.3mil) Toews (6.3mil) Brouwer (1.025mil)
Hossa (5.275) Sharp (3.9) Kopecky (1.2)
Stalberg (0.85, two-way) Bolland (3.375) ??
?? Reasoner (1.15) ??
Seabs (3.5) Keith (5.54)
Campbell (7.143) Hjammer (3.5)
Scott(0.512 in) / ??
No Goalies. 4.1mil Cap space taken up with bonuses. I have assumed we sign Hjammer to the Sharks’ deal.
This gives us 6 places to fill, not counting 7th Dman or 13th forward, with 53.67mil already on the books. If the Salary Cap is $59.4mil – which CapGeek tells me it is – that means we have an average of $0.955mil/player just to fill up the lines. If we, say, use Vishnevskiy & Dowell (I’m not including Skille and Bickell, as they’re RFAs) that means we have $4.383mil to sign 2 goalies and 2 forwards.
That’s still going to be very very tight. You basically have to get rid of Niemi if you want to keep Hammer. I would do it
Skille is the problem
in this scenario because I believe the Hawks want to sign him. It will leave less than a million for each of the rest of the players…and that group includes your goaltenders. Perhaps it’s my teal colored glasses or just summertime myopia but, I just don’t see it.
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be...
Here’s where we’re at with Dowell and Crawford and Vish.
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Marty Reasoner ($1.150m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Jake Dowell ($0.525m) / /
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
- Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brent Seabrook ($3.500m)
Ivan Vishnevskiy ($0.822m) / John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($0.800m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 17; CAP: $59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m
PAYROLL: $55.873m; BONUSES: $0.065m; CAP ROOM: $3.592m
well if if you sign him DW made your team even weaker...we have options to get someone else.
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Look I like the Sharks
I’m a Hawks fan first but I don’t dislike the Sharks as my previous post was tongue in cheek. That said, I don’t think signing Hammer makes our team weaker by any means. I think it makes it stronger, I think Niemi looked as good as he did because the defense around him was very good.
hey no hate man...But Looking at that breakdown your team is alot weaker than last years. Thats all I was saying.
I mean the leafs dident even want stalberg
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It's different you're right in that
Stalberg is a guy I’m holding out hope for. I think he can be serviceable if not a decent 3rd line pressure power forward. I think the Hawks did well getting him for Versteeg. I like the route that Bowman has taken in dealing with this and he’s sacrificed every possible forward to save the money for Niemi and/or Hammer. If Hammer walks because we couldn’t get a cheaper contract done in time, that’d be sad. ( I think we were offering him 2.5 instead of 3.5) He’d be in a good place in San Jose with Boyle. That said, I think the Hawks will match this sheet and I think with the young talent the Hawks have and are stockpiling, we will be just fine next season.
Your GM had no choice to so what he did.......but I think the Hawks brass like Niemi too much. Its a major kick int he nuts to just let him walk. He won that Sharks series for you. Plus isent Dylan Olsen close?
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Hawks brass know
That Keith, Seabrook and Hammer won that Sharks series for them.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I disagree .....
We outshot them in 3 out of 4 games. Wasent Keith, Seebrock, Hammer making those stops.
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
** seabrook
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It was the defence
Clearing the puck out of the center off the rebounds so that Niemi didn’t find the puck behind him
Smart people tend to agree on things
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
look at the box scores...shots on net. Not the intangibles.
If Huet was the goalie we would have swept you
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea how to even begin to respond to this
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I think it might have been closer
Because Huet is very good and then he will go ona streak that makes you wonder if he realizes where he is. That said, the Hawks lit the lamp a lot against the Sharks…
I think people are undervaluing what Niemi did.
How many saves did the dmen make? check the box score. Sure they made plays to reduce rebounds and clear the front of the net, But We still put up good shot totals (except game 4).
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Niemi made 46 saves in game 3
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
i have forgotten
along with everything else in that terrible game that will not be spoken of
by DucksSuckQuackQuack on Jul 9, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
if you look at the Hawk
stats during the regular season, I believe our worst overall composite record was when we outshot opponents by 15 or more.
Seems crazy, but it’s really not.
High shot totals are in no way indicitive of scoring chances
For reference, see Anaheim/San Jose, Western Conference Quarterfinals, 2009.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
If you can find scoring chances then Ill bet good money we out chanced them in every game but game 4
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Too soon to forget...
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Seriously. If there was ever a team that knows shot totals mean nothing, it’s the Sharks.
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Fools and Sages
But if there was also a team
That knew the importance of Woolly Mammoths, that would be the Sharks as well.
So there’s quite a range.
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by ElvisVF101 on Jul 9, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, but you don't even have to go that far back to 2009
Sharks seemingly killed Colorado in overall shots, but a shit ton came from unobstructed shots from the blueline which Anderson could see a mile away.
In terms of scoring chances, especially the quality variety, my recollection says it was pretty damn even.
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you can’t say what might or might not have happened if situations weren’t as they were. all we know is what did happen and we have to accept that.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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I'm pretty sure most of us are still in the denial phase
If you go to WTC, they are in Anger. The philosophical amongst us might have made it to bargaining.
Very few have made it to acceptance.
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I'm still at the spiteful stage
Suck it Chicago. How’d getting LeBron work out for you?
Please don’t match this deal… I really want Hjalmarsson… (I can even spell it without looking it up).
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Rumors say that the Hawks were offering him
3/9 or 5/13 (a little under 3) or 3. It’s hard to believe that we’d reject a contract based on 500k a year raise and an extra year.. But if those rumours werent true..
Must be nice getting some form of information out of your management about what is going on with your players. We don’t get any in SJ.
If Hjalmarsson was in negotiations with both though, why wouldn’t they just match it if they knew what the price was going to be? Were they calling Wilson’s bluff?
The more I think about this whole situation, the more interesting it gets.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Dont' know the details
and those rumors might have been false. It was foolhardy to think that he wasn’t going to get offer-sheeted. This forces the Hawks to make their final decision, Hammer or Niemi
how come they couldent get a deal done before hand with him? did he want more?
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they might have been trying to position themselves
to retain both Niemi and Hjammer. I guess we’ll wait and see what happens with this.
Personally, I'd go Hammer.
But I’m not a Chicago fan, so I hope they pick Niemi. I’m just not that big a fan of Niemi… for obvious reasons. But I don’t think he’s really that good. He ran a hot streak against us (but apparently that’s become a custom for opposing goalies). He was mediocre in the Finals… and there’s no saying he’s going to continue playing really well.
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No, but the Bulls wanted him. Also, that comment is just me hating another Hawks fan from another forum.
Like I said, spiteful stage. I’m not going to lie, I fucking hate the Hawks, can you really blame me after finally getting past the Wings only to get swept (even if the games were close) by them?
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
blame you?
no.
But it’s better to move on. It’s not like we’ve dominated your team for years and it’s not like the Sharks shouldn’t get past the Hawks again if they meet.
I’ll move on eventually… probably, but it’ll take beating the Hawks a lot. Sweeping them next year would go a long way. Going 5-1 against the Ducks helped me cope this year.
Then again, I still hate the Stars, Flames and Wings with all of my soul, so it could be a while.
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as far as i know the strike just ended a week ago… except for us beating detroit in 5… that was sick
by DucksSuckQuackQuack on Jul 9, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It was Keith, Seabrook and Hammer
Making sure the shots were from the perimeter and clearly visible to Niemi.
The front of his crease was never troubled by a Shark because Chicago takes care of business in their own end.
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The funny thing is
We actually have a group of young defenseman within 2-3 years away.
Dylan Olsen, Shawn Lalonde, Nick Leddy (acq from Min), Amongst others less talented. That said… I still don’t think you let Hjalmarrsson walk. He’s that good.
I think you guys have the opposite problem of the Sharks though
Good defensemen, no goalie. We have good goalies (we hope) but few defensemen.
Nashty...
Proud member of the "We Love Ushankas Club"
re: Dylan Olsen
at least two years away. LaLonde is much closer to being NHL ready. Would prefer to see him spend time in Rockford for a bit before they call him up, but we may not have that luxery right now.
With all the changes this offseason, you realistically aren’t going to have as good of a team. Your core forwards are still there, but ask us Sharks fans about relying on young, unproven players to take up the slack of departed skill players.
Absolutely
But I think that Bowman has done a nice job of bringing in guys that have some experience to help easy that pain. Think about Marty Reasoner… I’m not freaked yet..
A lot of us do appreciate your opinion and still welcome you, because you’ve always been cool here on FTF (ahem – even during the Sharks-Hawks series!)
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 9, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
and you did help us ‘police’ the Hawks trolls that were coming here being dicks, so thank you
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 9, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No problem.
I can deal with a bit of it as long as there’s a point in the post, but some of the time, people are just basically saying “you suck” without any merit or point behind it.
Also Skille's salary
was actually only 800,000 last year he had a nice bonus (which took him to 1.3 mil). Is he willing to take 950k to stay with the Hawks vs 1.5 mil that he could get elsewhere I don’t know… I guess we’ll see what the Hawks do here..
That’s about where I figured him too from memory…thanks for saving me the trouble to go look!
He’s a talented kid and I know hawk mgmt is high on him.
by rumpledforeskin on Jul 9, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
so if he signs for under a million
I think the Hawks can keep him without missing a beat.
It would leave us 2.5 mil to sign a goalie and a 4th line winger… I don’t like our chances of keeping Niemi unless he signs a 1-year 1.5 mil deal. And for all the people who think we’ll lose Seabs next off-season getting a portion of our bonus penalty back will cover Seabs raise.
he doesn't have the highest ceiling
but Skille should be NHL ready now, and depending on what line he falls on, could become a 30 point scorer. Seems he’s spent the past 6 years rotting away in Rockford.
I’m not sure anyone would pay him over $1mil, btw. Why would they?
Isent the hawks cap at 55 mill cuz of the bonus and such?
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by syc on Jul 9, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
how many seasons is campbell locked up for?
and who would want to trade for him (except buffalo)
by withintheruins14 on Jul 10, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, easy
Guy’s just making a point from the other side. No need to get chippy.
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How is it poaching?
It’s not like the RFA target doesn’t have to sign and agree to the offer.
If CHI does counter, Hammer is going to have a very uncomfortable 4 years. Honestly, he’s getting fair market value, and shame on the idiot in the Blackhawks office that didn’t het this guy signed to prevent this from happening. Like I said, it’s a brilliant move. DW is well within the rules of the post-lockout league, and has shown that he plays chess ateast as well as he plays hockey.
If I was a CHI fan, I’d be asking Bowmen why the f*** he allowed this scenario to occur, rather than throwing hate at DW for working the system.
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by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 3:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Being awesome is how DW rolls...
Kinda like the KHL and Ammunition (if you get it,you get it. Get it?)
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Awesome nickname suggestion
It came from a Blackhawk fan actually, Hjammerhead Shark! lol
NOT THAT I’M GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES HERE haha
by Khaaz on Jul 9, 2010 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
At first I thought the Hammerhead nickname was kinda 'meh'
But with the J it’s super, totally awesome! (That’s how cool I thought it was, putting a super AND totally before awesome…)
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Yeah, I posted that name over there at SCH
and have been getting shite for it… I guess there’s no such thing as “poking good fun” even when they have a cup.
Mike Babcock's wife thinks Joe Pavelski's a STUD!! Enough said.
Take into consideration where the Hawks have been the last couple of weeks
We’ve lost the following players :
Versteeg
Ladd
Madden
Byfuglien
Sopel (Thank God!)
Eager
Burish
These are good players btu role players and fan favorites. Our team is being gutted and there’s nothing we can do about it because we’re cap strung. So yeah, when one of our prized Dmen gets poached, people tend to be a bit jumpy.
Thanks I appreciate it...
Would you trade a cup for half of your team?
Its’ easy to say hell yes! but I would be crying when it actually happens.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
Bingo
so you understand that even though we’re the Stanley Cup Champions that we don’t enjoy getting half of our team disappearing for our cup defence.
Which is exactly why I was rather elated a few days after the Hawks had won
No offense, but it made my day. Especially with the Atlanta Hawks (the NHL one) being my local team… found it quite hilarious.
When people talk about “This is the year they must win”… that’s exactly what it was in Chicago.
Nashty...
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We might still have our team dismantled, with no Cup, and the stink of “underachievers” forever on our Sharks jerseys.
Enjoy the Cup win, is what I’m saying.
Oh I am...
The Sharks will be a good team next year. With or without Hammer
I would hate myself but I would do it.
IN A HEARTBEAT.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 9, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not gonna lie
that euphoria was fantastic… however, this losing half the team business not so fantastic.
like Ang said up there
I’ll be bawling like none other but…we got to have the cup…see the cup, have a parade…see our guys kiss it and celebrate it. Follow the cup in a barcrawl. I was so green with envy when you guys won it. I even joined SCH to revel in your guy’s joy in hopes that one day it might be us. Granted they’ll blow up the team afterwards but we get that one moment of pure joy.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 9, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
In a heartbeat...
And I truly mean that. Most teams end up having to rebuild at some point. Most have to do so before ever winning a Cup. I don’t really care how it gets done, I just want the Sharks to win a Cup. Consequenses be damned…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 9, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on which half...?
Personally, I’d rather be more like the Penguins (as much as it hurts me to say that). Win the Cup.. and then be in a position (at the start of the season) to win it again.
No offense, but Chicago is no longer the best team in the league… and it’s going to be a tough season, even with Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Mr. Douche Kane.
Nashty...
Proud member of the "We Love Ushankas Club"
speaking of being the "best team in the league"
does it really matter? Not like the Caps or S.J. have done much with that title.
You forgot Sharpie, Hoss and Bolland from you list, btw. Not holding out hope that we’ll repeat next year, but we’ll be an exceptional team.
well…this blog did a lot of crowing about it being the superior team going into our series. That’s one example.
Caps because they were a consensus favorite along with the Pens.
I think most people expected a long series Sharks were on a roll taking Detroit and 5 and I don’t think anyone thought we’d fall back to earth as hard or fast of course hindsight is 20/20
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
it happens
not sure you care (or you probably already know), but the Pens swept us in the finals back in the early 90’s. We had won 11 straight games going into the SCF.
But my point stands. It’s not about having the “best team”. It’s about creating your luck, getting lucky, getting your teeth knocked out and prevailing.
Wait, what???
A Sharks fan blog thought the Sharks were going to win? PREPOSTEROUS!!!
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
point taken
I had read the above comment as being relative to something someone had said in this thread.
Coming from a fan of a team who has never won one
YES, absolutely, no question about it at all.
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by PNK on Jul 9, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Every day of the week
Just so I can stop hear about how Sharks are chokers. That alone would be worth a dismantlement.
+1
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 9, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You obviously missed the FTF motto....
…selling our SOUL is a viable answer here.
;-)
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by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 3:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Our team is being gutted and there’s nothing we can do about it because we’re cap strung.
but you knew this was going to happen before you won the Cup … not that it was a surprise you would be losing players … :)
Not that I fault you guys for your reactions anyways.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
Absolutely not
We need that the Capocalypse was coming. Forget 2012 it’s 2010. :-p
That said it still stinks.
Agreed.
It sucks watching your faves leave.
Bit look on the bright side, at least you won’t need to go to St. Petersburg to watch your favorite player on the ice. The NHL blew out two of it’s best goalies this year, and that is just sad in any book, no matter whom you’re a fan of.
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by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 3:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
(insert random bitch about iPhone and typos due to autocorrection on this POS here.)
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by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 3:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who plays goal for $2m?
Also, you better hope the arbiter awards Niemi with a decent offer – otherwise, the Hawks may not be able to let him go as a UFA. If that doesn’t happen, then Hammer + Niemi may put the Hawks over the cap+10%… Delicious.
Jumping on the bandwagon
Great move my DW. But this definitely means DW is hunting for a D-man and Murray, Seto, or Clowe is gone.
Or (fingers crossed) Huskins
I don’t like that man
Nashty...
Proud member of the "We Love Ushankas Club"
I think we have plenty of money to sign hjaalmerson without letting anybody go
2010-11 SAN JOSE SHARKS
Patrick Marleau ($6.9m) Joe Thornton ($7.2m) Dany Heatley ($7.5m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.6m)Joe Pavelski ($4.0m) * Devin Setoguchi ($3.0m)
Jamie McGinn ($1.0m) Torrey Mitchell ($1.4m) Benn Ferriero ($0.8m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.5m) Scott Nichol ($0.8m) Cameron MacIntyre ($0.6m)
- Niklas Hjaalmerson ($3.5m) Dan Boyle ($6.7m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.1m) Douglas Murray ($2.5m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.5m) Jason Demers ($0.5m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.0m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.6m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP: $59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $59.029m; BONUSES: $0.505m CAP ROOM: $0.876m
we’d also have plenty of room to give setoguchi a lil it more money
by withintheruins14 on Jul 10, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Why isn't Couture on this roster?
He’s proved he’s NHL ready and deserves a roster spot more than some of those other AHL guys. And did you waive or trade Huskins?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 10, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Couture was a mistake...
And I don’t think he counts Huskins as a person. Therefore he didn’t have to let anybody go!
When I woke up to this news, I was extremely happy.
It’s great because it’s a win-win for the Sharks either way. If Chicago matches, that means they have less cap space and are going to have to let some more pieces go. If they don’t, we get a top 4 D-Man. I’m liking how this might shake out.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 9, 2010 1:05 PM PDT reply actions
I know we'd get the biggest return for Clowe, Murray or Seto
But I say, Huskins and Mitchell have just as much reason to watch their backs.
If we trade them for late picks, we free up 3.275 Million. Which is more than enough to do whatever we still need to achieve.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
I’d be ok with that course of action. Huskins and Mitchell do literally nothing for me. I’d love to have their cap space to work with…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 9, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Even better
Trade those dudes for more Germans/Ottawa 67 prospects/Goalies.
I think DW just jizzed in his pants.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Maybe we can trade those dudes to Chicago
I’m sure they owe DW a favor now for us trying to give Hammer a good home, right?
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
wow
DW is ballsy. Definitely the type of defenseman that we Sharks fans have been clamoring for.
Patty Marleau lives an erotic life.
Anybody have any facts on how fast other offer sheets have been matched in the past?
This is going to cloud an entire week for me if they wait until the last minute.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Or past the last minute in the 'hawks case
It’s not their fault, they didnt know!
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
If its no brainier like most hawks fans seem to think it is. I would think early next week.
"I knew when my career was over. In 1965, my baseball card came out with no picture."
— Bob Uecker
by syc on Jul 9, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They claim it should've been done yesterday
Yup that’s the state of things over at SCH. You should read some of the things they’re saying about us. If you take it seriously, you’d want to kill them. But since you wont… freakin’ hilarious.
Nashty...
Proud member of the "We Love Ushankas Club"
Yeah Ive been over there. For a team that just won the cup they sound like some cry babies/sore losers today.
"I knew when my career was over. In 1965, my baseball card came out with no picture."
— Bob Uecker
by syc on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to think a similar reaction would happen if Seto was offer sheeted (sheeted sounds weird)
I myself would take it as a shrewd move by another GM, and not shit bricks over it. Don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t like it but I wouldn’t be freaking out.
No, we'd already traded him to Buffalo
St. Louis made him an offer which Vancouver matched
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Now to be fair...
…we weren’t exactly backing DW up on Wallins. It’s to be expected that they think losing one guy at this point is the End of Days, given the bloodletting they’ve had due to the capocolypse.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
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by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 3:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
anyone have any good ideas to distract bowman for the next week?
by DucksSuckQuackQuack on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions
I'd start with those Russian hats in the Nabby/KHL thread....
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by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 3:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
DW = amazing once again
Screw the fact he signed Niitty (who I am no longer worried about) and that he paid way too much for Wallin (at least he isn’t Boogard…). He’s being gutsy. Chicago is in cap trouble and, hey, why not go out and force them to play their cards.
The big winner in this deal? Hammer. A good amount of money, and he’ll go to SJ if Chicago doesn’t match. Which is better than going to Toronto. Or Edmonton.
I swear, I thought this was a joke. But, apparently not. I seriously hope this works out…
Nashty...
Proud member of the "We Love Ushankas Club"
In other news.
The Sharks have shown interest in Modano. I’d like the move, especially if he is signed at an affordable rate.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM PDT reply actions
For Modano's legacy's sake... Minnesota seems like the right place
Honestly, he’d just be a feel good signing at this point. Not really sure what he has to offer exactly.
Nashty...
Proud member of the "We Love Ushankas Club"
Niiice
This means to me that the Sharks are looking for someone to replace Clowe so that they can use him in a trade for Kaberle. It would most likely be Couture taking Clowe’s spot, and Modano taking Coutures spot as the center of the 3rd line.
This is how i'd like to see things play out...
and i think it’s pretty realistic that this is what we end up with:
2010-11 SAN JOSE SHARKS
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Devin Setoguchi ($3.200m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / * Mike Modano ($1.500m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.850m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.997m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m) / Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / Frazer McLaren ($0.543m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
Jay Leach ($0.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $59.996m; CAP ROOM: $0.334m; BONUSES: $0.930m
by Khaaz on Jul 9, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Love this roster. I hope Ferriero can get it done on that third line, he is the only real question mark for me. Besides that, I like the roster if Modano feels he can play on that second line all season, I guess that would be my second question mark.
You can swap Couture and Modano, i just think it’d be cool to see Mcginn/Couture/Ferriero play on the same line again to see what kind of chemistry they have together.
We’d have some very solid defense with a ton of offense, a 3rd line with a lot of scoring potential, and the rest of our forward lines would be as strong as ever.
Yeah, I’d swap Couture and Modano. Just seems right.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 9, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
love this roster
let’s make it happen!
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
by PNK on Jul 9, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I am just waiting for DW to assemble the final roster for next season
and put all of our rosterbations to shame
I could see this as the final roster heading into the season very easily…and it would be damn good, IMO.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep - good roster
Close to mine now :)
you could also trade Torrey and sign Richard Park, who has a bit more scoring touch and just as good on the PK.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 9, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I read Richard Park
but I thought Ray Park
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by PNK on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Ray would have to play goal.
Need that double bladed blocker in the net.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
any news on Clowe for Kaberle? Or just speculation? have they talked trade?
"I knew when my career was over. In 1965, my baseball card came out with no picture."
— Bob Uecker
by syc on Jul 9, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
All speculation
But as a Toronto fan, I’d do it in a heartbeat. But i’d hope Burke would hold out for Seto instead.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
You guys have dream acquisitions, so do we :)
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
The trick is
getting Kaberle to WANT to stay in SJ beyond next season.
He hooked on T.O. like a junkie.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
i would let this roster sit on my face
by MatrickParleau on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd swap Mitchell out for just about anybody
Worcester player, Journeyman, Concessions stand employee, DW’s Auntie…
The list goes on. I think you can get someone else in that spot with less of a cap hit to do the same job, which would then also get us under the c®ap.
I’d also offer Modano less money than that. I’d call it a million or nothing. If he puts up 30 points this year, I think it would be a miracle.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Mitchell improved a lot at the end of the year imo. At the very least, he’s a great defensive player who’s extremely fast and excellent for us on the PK. I bet he looks a lot better next season though. I see him being a lot like Mathew Lombardi for us in the future.
Did he improve to the tune of his massive salary?
I’d say not. Also, if we are going to bury a guy on the checking line, he should at least be able to dish out some decent checks. And no, it doesnt count if they have their back to him at the boards.
He also couldn’t win a face off during the playoff’s if his life depended on it.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
1.6M = massive salary?
Rookies who come in over 1M haven’t done anything to justify theirs, do they have massive salaries too?
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
1.6 is massive for what he does for us as a team
It’s speculative based on what he achieved before his injury.
When Scott Nichol is making under half what Mitchell is making, you’ve got problems!
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Well he JUST came back from a SERIOUS injury. He only started playing with us about halfway through the season. We’ll see whether he lives up to his 1.4m dollar cap hit this year after having a full summer to finish healing anything up, and after being able to attend training camp with the team. (he missed training camp last year)
If we can’t get Modano or someone else to be our 3rd line center for cheap, I think Mitchell could potentially make a good 3rd line center for us. Either way, i bet Mitchell looks MUCH better next season, assuming he’s still a Shark.
Worst center on the team
He’s not seeing top minutes, and yet his face off draws are at 43.4%
That is atrocious for a centerman.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
If Mitchell is anything, he’s gonna have to be a winger. A big part of being a Center is winning faceoffs. God, I’m going to miss Malhotra just for that.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 9, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he had just came back from injury, but in the playoffs he actually had a higher FO% than Marleau or Couture, and he was only 1.3% below Pavelski…
Either way though, i still think we haven’t seen the real Torrey Mitchell. I hope we can afford to put together a great team while retaining Torrey Mitchell so that we might see what he’s really capable of.
I give him 20 games to get it together
After that, I’m not interested.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Kaberle love
Finally people are getting on that train- i’ve been pushing for Kaberle for awhile. I think with Hammer people think Kaberle can fit.
He's actually
really good. He’s getting shit on now by all the Toronto-haters, but he’s a spectacular offensive dman. He’s just soft is all.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
and if we’ve truly given up on mitchell, we can swap them out
by withintheruins14 on Jul 10, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
DW always pulls it off....
Every year, same old same old……What’s DW thinking? Why isn’t he doing anything? Well the fact of the matter is a lot of players DON’T want to come here so he has to bide his time and strike where he can. And once again…..he does! Now if Chicago matches, well thats a whole ‘nother story. But he’s showing once again the brilliance behind the calm, cool, collected voice!
Definition of Insanity.........Being A ShaRks fan and expecting a cup......
Part of the reason I like Heatley so much- he wanted to come here, actually pretty much demanded it.
Me too. Heater proved he was much more than a goal scorer this year. Now if he could have convinced one of his Senator defender buddies to have come………
Definition of Insanity.........Being A ShaRks fan and expecting a cup......
he showed me all he was is a sniper.
by withintheruins14 on Jul 10, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
So essentially DW did this to kinda force Chicago’s hand right? Not really planning on getting Hjalmarrson?
It’s a calculated gamble. I don’t think DW would go after a player he didn’t actually want with an offer sheet. But it’s basically win/win for the Sharks and for Hjalmarsson. He gets a good contract either way. The Sharks either get a good, young defenseman, or they make Chicago pay market value for an RFA. Which then means the Hawks have to get rid of another roster player or two to keep enough cap space for their core players this year and next.
Either way, the Hawks have to make some tough decisions about players they want to keep. If it really comes down to keeping Hjalmarsson or Niemi, and they keep Hammer and let Niemi walk, that’s not going to look great for signing another top-flight goalie. “Thanks for the Cup win, now get out.”
lol my answer was the short version!
Definition of Insanity.........Being A ShaRks fan and expecting a cup......
Too Soon?
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
by Morti on Jul 9, 2010 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Bowman:
"W I L S O N ! ! ! “
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"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
In other news, I heard the Raiders signed Bruce Campbell
Mmmm…..eh?
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by Noctro on Jul 9, 2010 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
OT: Thoughts on Zherdev to Flyers?
1 year, $2M
In his last two seasons in the NHL, he played the full 82 games and registered more than 20 goals/per with an avg. of 60pts. Last season he played for HK Atlant. Streaky player, but I would have loved to see him in teal for that price. Nice deal for Philly.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
I don't know much about him.
But I hear from reading about the signing if he commits to working on his defensive game, this could be an absolute steal for Philly.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He was good with NY
a solid 2nd liner with whole lotta potential. And for a $2M cap hit?? that is awesome.
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
Thanks for the Memories Nabby.
With Cap room to spare!
2010-11 SAN JOSE SHARKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.997m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m) / Benn Ferriero ($0.850m)
Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / * Mike Modano ($2.000m) / * Jonathan Cheechoo ($1.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / * Niclas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
Jay Leach ($0.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $59.627m; CAP ROOM: $0.703m; BONUSES: $0.930m
I'd prefer for the Sharks to use McIntyre or McLaren as opposed to signing Cheech.
Modano would definitely be on the third line, if he signed here.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is Gooch gone? Id take him over Modano and Cheechoo anyday.
"Hes like a Sweedish Bear" -Randy Hahn 4/8/10
Dont boo your team!
If Wallin didn't exist.......
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / * Devin Setoguchi ($3.100m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m) / * Mike Modano ($1.300m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.997m) / Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / * Jonathan Cheechoo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / * Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.450m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Kent Huskins ($1.700m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
Jay Leach ($0.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 21; CAP: $59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m
PAYROLL: $60.078m; BONUSES: $0.715m; CAP ROOM: $0.037m
why no Murrary-Vlasic?
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
Thanks for the Memories Nabby.
Murray is not top 4 material imo
He is physical, I’ll give him that, but everyone skates around him…he is going to be traded :-( because of WALLIN!!!!
Go Sharks!
murray has improved every year and they definately dont skate through him…who can we say that about on our d besides hamburglar
by withintheruins14 on Jul 10, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
How did i not here about this until now???
This is sick, and for a very solid cap hit. Less than Volchenkov and hamuis yet personally i think Hammer has a higher sealing. Granted hes a one year player but he can get soooo much better!
I hope Chicago doesnt match…
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
Thanks for the Memories Nabby.
Rofl...
Apparently, according to Chicago GM Bowman, no one offer sheets RFAs! (LINK). It’s a quote from earlier in the offseason from him…kinda funny.
“The rumors happen a lot, but offer sheets don’t happen,” Bowman said on July 1. "I don’t know how many there have been. If you look back over the last 10 years there have been a handful. There’s been a lot of talk about them, but they don’t concern me. These guys are going to remain with the Blackhawks. They’re not going anywhere. We have plenty of flexibility to make things work with the structure of our team right now.
“That’s a tactic that can be used, but just look over history and there’s just a handful that have ever happened.”
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, his quotes are getting priceless
He also made a similar quote after the 1st deal w/ Atlanta proclaiming “I don’t need to make any more deals” then proceeded to trade Versteeg and Ladd.
Jr. seems to have a problem controlling his mouth in public.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 9, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Good for us but...
What the hell is going on with Chicago? How many players did they lose/let go? Six?
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
Make that more than 9
Byfglien, Versteeg, Ladd, Sopel, Madden, Eager, Burish, Fraser, and Aliu (prospect), all come to mind right now…
I think the real question is...
“How many do they have left?”
It’s like watching the first five minutes of Saving Private Ryan (I know, 2nd reference).
They’ve got, what, 5-6 of their core left, $5mil in capspace, Hammer sheeted, and Niemi in arbitration. Oh, and no backup netminder. It’s a good thing for them that the got the cup this year, because I just can see them wiggling in enough talent to pull a serious run again this year.
I do feel for them, though. Seeing your team get gutted by the cap does suck.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
by Noctro on Jul 10, 2010 12:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's crazy
I hope that never happens to us.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
It was bad enough giving up Nabby...
…no idea how I’d handle a capocalypse here.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
They won a Cup...
If you ask me, it’s worth it.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 10, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd love a Hjalmarsson-Wallin pairing: Hjalm-burger!
Nashty...
Proud member of the "We Love Ushankas Club"
I don't even know what to say...
…BEER!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Do it!
Only next year lets hope we can beat them in the playoffs and not have to exact revenge in this manner
DW is smart he knows if the Hawks match,They dont have room for Niemi then they will come along an take Niemi.They could even end up with both who knows.
GO SHARKS GO
No way Niemi comes here.
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
Thanks for the Memories Nabby.
Why the fuck would we want Niemi?
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 11, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that Z has feelings either way...LOL.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Anyone that was there....what were we saying Cheers in Russian was?
All I get out of translate.google.com is “ура!”
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Sorry, wrong thread. Feel free to delete.
(tank-sized Margarita to blame). ;-)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
damn, tank sized?
thats like 60 tons!
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
Thanks for the Memories Nabby.
Dude.
That drink was frakking HUGE.
Ask Zero.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Huge indeed. I’m not sure there’s an adequate way to convey to anyone the size of this margarita…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
There's at least one pic.
It should be in one of the threads devoted to the Nabby signing.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
There’s a pic of it in the Nabby Stick Signing fanpost…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh it happened.
and, FTR: that’s a 5×7 pic.
I was swimmin’ all the way home.
на здоровье, Nabby!
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