The Weekend of Kaberle Thread

A curious question. I guess we’ll find out by the end of Sunday. It’s almost a guarantee that some Sharks fans would be upset at who goes, if indeed DW is in on the trying for Kaberle.

If he does trade for him, it won’t be a steal for the Sharks. Burkie has been making this deal in public for 2 years. He was at at -16, and for a supposedly great PP guy, only scored 2 goals on the 30th overall PP.

He wouldn’t be able to sell Huskins to his city like he could for Clowe ( which, if he is the one, it should be straight up and not a pick…or at least not a pick over 4th.

general opinion on the matter is that Burke is looking for a little too much in return for Kaberle. Especially considering that Kaberle does not want to be traded and could become a malcontent wherever he ends up. Not to mention it is only 1 year guarunteed from Kaberle, who will almost definitely bolt in free agency for the city that pleases him. Or he could just re-sign in Toronto for a major discount so that Burke will take him back lol.

Huskins did play in Anaheim, so Burky does know him pretty well.

Although that knowledge of the Huskinator could be to our disadvantage!

Kaberle to a pizza parlor
Kovalchuk to the local jam factory
Willie Mitchell to the Sharks
Okay, I know that wasn’t funny, but still..
Kaberle to SJ COULD happen. Kaberle for Clowe and Huskins/a prospect?
I hope someone takes Huskins..
But if not, Clowe+ Torrey Mitchell?

Ek just said Kaberle or Willie Mitchell to the Sharks..
Oh no

Not that I will believe any of the rumors that don’t come from …. well, no one. I even got burned in the false Marleau trade last year. Whatever.

The rumor is that the Kings want Willie Mitchell badly. I think they actually need someone like Kaberle more. I really don’t think Willie Mitchell will sign until next week because of Kaberle. I also think Burke has a deal lined up with someone, but is waiting until the last possible moment (and why wouldn’t he?) to see if someone makes a crazy overpayment kind of pitch for Kaberle.

I know we have an offer in on Kaberle, but I hope we don’t get him. I think we could use him, but I’d rather have Willie Mitchell. Having Doug Wilson as our GM has to help, too. If I was Willie Mitchell and was looking for a new team to show what I can do, I’m going to look at the past few offseasons of the Caps and the Sharks. Both teams have made big moves in that time, but the Caps, in my opinion, have been over the top in moving everyone around in an attempt to build a juggernaut. They made big moves in the middle of the season, or at least the deadline that jettisoned good players for shots at other good players. When I analyze the Sharks’ moves of the past few years, it’s been to bring in more talent, but really without changing anyone from the core group. It also can’t hurt that the collapse of the Caps in 2010 was more pronounced and recent than the 2009 playoffsofwhichnooneshallspeak.

If my memory serves, Big Willie narrowed down his possible spots as San Jose, Washington DC, Vancouver, and Detroit. He clearly wants to play for a winner. Detroit doesn’t have the resources left to sign anyone. Vancouver is still an option, but not for someone who wants to play 1st pairing minutes. If Mitchell signs in Vancouver, then maybe they’ll salary dump someone back to us.

1. I think DW tries to get in on every deal looking for good opportunities

2. Who would i like to go in the trade? Huskins? lol

3. Yeah DW could pull of an upset imo, but it wouldn’t happen this weekend. I think Burke is heavily exaggerating the offers he’s getting for Kaberle and I think DW will call his bluff and could eventually pull of an ‘upset’ trade. Burke says that if the right deal doesn’t come along then he’ll hang onto Kaberle but i think he’s bluffing that too.

4. I think Clowe is much more valuable of an asset than Kaberle is, but to the Sharks it’s a fairly even trade since we can easily replace Clowe with Couture and we really need to improve our defense and relieve Boyle of some minutes.

5. Logan Couture wouldn’t fill a power forward role but then again Clowe didn’t really play like a true power forward a lot of the time. I think scoring-wise Couture would easily replace Clowe on the 2nd line.

6. I doubt Kaberle will get traded this weekend unless some GM makes a dumb trade where they get ripped off.

7. Yes, i’m here waiting to see a fanshot telling me that we signed Willie Mitchell for 2 million (or less!) + bonuses.

via Bruce Garrioch (one of the dregs of mainstream rumor-mongering, in my opinion):

The San Jose Sharks are looking for help. But Kaberle, 32, who carries a $4.25-million hit, wants to stay in the East. That hasn’t stopped talk of Sharks GM Doug Wilson offering prospect D Derek Joslin and a first-round pick. Bieksa and his $3.75-million hit might make more sense. Not sure what to make of whispers that San Jose is willing to trade LW Jamie McGinn or C Logan Couture for Bieksa, but the talk is out there.

I don’t believe for a second that DW is considering Couture in any deal for Bieksa or Kaberle. McGinn? Sure. But I think right now he’s going to stick to his guns with the “low-ball” offer of Joslin and a 1st. For one year of Kaberle—I don’t expect more than that—that’s about fair.

I prefer Willie Mitchell to Tomas Kaberle for a variety of factors. Not saying I don’t like Kaberle, just feel Mitchell is more suited to our needs, and doesn’t require the same kind of sacrifice from us. Unless Mitchell signs elsewhere prior to the expiration of Kaberle’s trade window, I want no part of us making a move for him.

sharks need more scoring and point production from the blue line… Kaberle can put up 50-60+ points a season…. Mitchell cannot…
With vlasic murray huskins and wallin as as our defensive defencemen, i dont see a spot for mitchell UNLESS we see one of those guys moved.. maybe in a deal for Kaberle? Itd be really sweet to see Boyle partnered with Mitchell and Kaberle with Vlasic…. but prob just a dream…

1) Kaberle for Joslin + 1st is a steal…if you dump Picks, Prospects, Huskins, Mitchell, and Murray…you free up enough space for Willie and another bottom six forward while keeping your top 6 in tact.
2) As you folks correctly mentioned, Kabs would be an ideal mentor for Demers and even if he does leave after this season (though we could request a 3rd if he does from Toronto), Demers will be better

So if DW gets the right deal, I say go for it!

GO SHARKS!

I do think the Sharks are in on Kaberle, but I don’t want to see this happen unless we already have a legit shutdown dman under contract (Help us, Willie Mitchell. You’re our only hope!). I definitely don’t want to see it happening if it means giving up young forward talent (i.e. Couture). I wouldn’t mind if it was Joslin going the other way, but I’d hate to lose a first as well (as is the rumor).

But, like I said, I don’t want to see any trade for Kaberle unless we get a shutdown D shortly afterwards. And I definitely don’t want to overpay for one year of the guy, since he reportedly doesn’t like the Western Conference and would probably bolt after his contract is up. So, basically, I don’t want to give up Clowe.

Basically, if we get Kaberle, I want to only give up Joslin and Huskins and sign Willie Mitchell as well. So, I don’t really want it to happen.

Honestly, I had expected the trade to have happened by now. The lack of the announcement (hell, it’s the only “big” thing happening in the NHL right now) means that it obviously hasn’t happened yet… but that’s rather surprising.

I’m assuming that Burke is asking for WAY too much, despite the fact that he’s been trying to ship out Kaberle seemingly even when he was in Anaheim. Obviously, DW isn’t on that “fleeced” side of the trades he pulls off… he’s more of the “fleecing” kind of guy (that made no sense what-so-ever!)

Most of it comes down to playing time. Dan Boyle was fourth in the league last season with 26:12 avg TOI. Kaberle, meanwhile, averaged 22:21 TOI per game. Meaning he’s used to playing some real minutes. Boyle, on the other hand, at times, was playing around (or even over) 30 minutes per night in crunch time. That’s just too much. He’s going to wear down. And, to me, he looked a little worn down late in the playoffs. That’s to be expected with that my time on ice.

Kaberle is a puck mover…which we could use, but don’t need. However, he’s an elite puck mover…meaning in crunch time, late in games, we wouldn’t have to run Boyle out there for 2-3 minutes at a time. We could still run Boyle regular shifts, and have Kaberle go regular shifts. A lot is being made of his +/-, and that is concerning…but he’d also be paired, ideally, with Vlasic, who would be beast covering his back when Kabs jumped up in the play. I really don’t think it’d be an issue. We wouldn’t be looking for him to kill penalties. And, yes, we’d still need a shutdown guy. But I don’t think we have to choose. If we have a chance to get a player of the caliber of Kaberle, who would make our team better (which I fully believe he would), then we shouldn’t hesitate to get him.

However, I wouldn’t give up Couture…and I’d have a clause in the trade that if he bolts at the end of the year, Toronto gives us a 3rd or 4th or something like that. I’d be ok giving up Clowe, assuming that’s all we give up.

Ultimately, I like Kaberle because I like the idea of being able to cut Boyle’s minutes so he’s more fresh down the stretch and late in games. And I don’t think Demers is anywhere near ready to step into that kind of role with the team.

12:00 eastern? If so that leaves an hour. I’m so excited!!!

DarrenDreger
No trade for Kaberle

http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/21285505989

its 12 am et..
hes staying put

That was anticlimactic.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
yawn

anyway, now here is the real question: WHEN THE F—K IS WILLIE MITCHELL GONNA BE SIGNED?

He does this shit every year…

Was this all a bluff by Burke heading into next season so that Kaberle will take a massive discount to stay in Toronto like everyone knows he wants to?

Secondly If Burke really wanted Kaberle gone he would have dumped him by last night regardless of whether it was exactly what he was looking for or not. Now if Burke doesn’t re-sign Kaberle he has nothing to show for it, but 2 years of ridiculous trade rumors. It will be the same old story this year at the trade deadline too, it will be speculated endlessly until nothing happens once again and Kaberle is left either finally walking away or taking a sizable hometown discount to continue playing in a town that no one wants him in anymore. IMO if Kabs really cared about money that much he would have allowed himself to be traded at the deadline last year and re-signed a huge contract with another team.

Just my off season conspiracy theory for the week.

NEXT WEEKS THEORY: Jamal Mayers hasn’t really been trying for his entire career, and now that he is on his favorite team, emerges as next years Rocket Richard trophy winner with a hefty 60 goals to lead the Sharks to their first Stanley Cup Finals win.

Like you said he has been pushed into being traded for two years and he still wanted to stay…why would that change now.

Curran said. "He’s glad that he’s still a Leaf."