Willie Mitchell set to decide future by end of this week
by Mr. Plank on Aug 17, 2010 2:30 PM PDT
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According to Sportsnet, former Vancouver Canucks defenseman Willie Mitchell has been holding individual workouts with teams interested in his services and will be making a decision on his playing future later this week.
Sources tell Sportsnet that after working out with the Los Angeles Kings last week, Mitchell has apparently showcased his health to the San Jose Sharks and his club for the last four seasons, the Vancouver Canucks.
Mitchell is trying to make a comeback after suffering a season-ending concussion last January.
The workouts have reportedly gone well, and now the 33-year-old is expected to visit the Washington Capitals.
It is believed Mitchell will make up his mind on his future by the end of the week.
It's no surprise that I consider Willie Mitchell to be the lone free agent left who could make a considerable impact on the team going into the new season, what with his physicality, ability to play tough minutes against top competition, and pedigree as a top three shutdown defenseman. No matter which club he signs with will be getting an excellent player, and on some level, I'm just excited that he's been able to shake the concussion concerns and work his way back into the NHL.
The rumor out there right now is that the Kings have offered him a two-year deal, with no word on the negotiations with the Sharks. Not a big surprise considering DW runs a tight ship in terms of information leakage, but definitely relevant to our discussion here.
Right now I'd still put San Jose at the top of the list due to his ties to the West Coast. Same goes with Los Angeles. Vancouver has some cap issues that we've covered extensively over the last month (read: a lot would have to break right for them if they wanted to sign Mitchell), and Washington is on the East Coast, which could hinder his desire to play there. That being said, they're definitely a contender with room to fit him into their top four, so playing time nor cap space would be an issue.
At any rate, considering I've covered this topic to death over the last month, here's some relevant links on Mitchell that have been published on Fear The Fin during the offseason:
- If the Sharks offer Mitchell a one-year contract, bonuses could be a part of the deal considering Mitchell spent 100+ days on LTIR last year and has logged over 400 NHL games. ["Where in the world is Willie Mitchell?"]
- A breakdown of Mitchell, his concussion issues, and why he would be a phenomenal fit for a Sharks team in need of a top three shutdown defenseman. ["Why Willie Mitchell could be a great fit for San Jose"]
- Who the Sharks were competing with for his services, and an update on Mitchell's concussion. ["Willie Mitchell symptom-free after eighteen days of skating"]
- Heading into free agent frenzy, I had Mitchell as the fourth best defenseman on the market for the Sharks to pursue. ["UFA Defensive Targets"]
If this drags past Friday I might just lose my mind.
Go Sharks.
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If this drags past Friday I might just lose my mind.
so will the rest of us.
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by missy on Aug 17, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If this drags past Friday I might just lose my mind.
As if that hadn’t happened already.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 17, 2010 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
The Mitchell obsession here is getting a little bit ridiculous for me.
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I'm already a jibbering mess due to this.
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LA's interest worries me...
They have the cap space, LA is a nice place to live apparently, and they are a good, young team that should contend for the division. A lot to like, there. Also, I worry, with so many teams involved, that DW will see this as a bidding war and back out, as he likes to do. The reason we haven’t signed a defenseman yet, most likely, is because DW doesn’t want to “overpay” for free agents. It’s why he’s usually so inactive on July 1. Now he’s one of 4 teams vying for Mitchell? Hmmmm…
Hopefully Mitchell decides we’re the closest to a Stanley Cup out of the three West Coast teams and comes on out to San Jose, but I guess we’ll find out soon either way.
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LA is a nice place to live apparently
No it’s not. And traffic is horrible down there. Someone send Mitchell this message that Southern California sucks. :)
If this drags past Friday I might just lose my mind.
Lack of hockey is doing that to me. Nevermind anything else.
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In the places he’d be living, it actually is very nice. The traffic is certainly worse though.
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I’m pretty sure Mitchell is the type of guy who loves fishing and being in nature n shit so hopefully LA isn’t really his cup of tea.
Port McNeill is a small Van Island town, and he spends his summers at some cabin ( I imagine a pretty awesome one!!!) in Minnesota…so yeah, he’s a fishing nut.
Point in our favor up here in BC…though I saw a story about some hidden treasure down there that they were going to be sure to tell Willie about ( may have read it here ).
The LA thing surprised me, nut I still think he is using them ( or his agent ) to get a base line of a 2 year deal ( which is kind of a big deal for a concussed guy coming back…if he views this as a last contract, he wants as much term as he can get ).
If he can get 3 elsewhere, I can see him taking it, but hopefully a 2 year deal in his hometown will be enough. So, if the Sharks offer 3…who knows?
We got a ton of great places for a nature nut to enjoy themselves. I don’t fish really so i’m not sure about that really, but look at this website about northern california fishing and all these happy people holding big fish! http://www.sacriverguide.com/
I’m sure he’d like living up here in northern california much more than living in LA. I’d guess it’s mostly between Vancouver and San Jose. Washington might be an option if he wants to avoid playing against his old team.
Traffic sucks in the bay area too. Plus thats the only place where I’ve seen that you have to have 3 people use the car pool lane. What kinda of shit is that?
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People who say traffic sucks in the bay area have never been to LA during rush hour.
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or anytime, really.
I went down there last year or so, and there was traffic at 2 am.
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LA has a lot of RFAs to sign coming up, right?
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by red army line on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point I just want SOMETHING TO HAPPEN
LA should sign Kovy, and then they pretty much cant sign Mitchell.
I have a bad feeling about LA getting him...
Then Plank and the rest of us will go nuts :-(
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If we miss out on W. Mitchell after DW passed on Kanerle, will that change peoples opinions about whether we should have ponied up the right price to the Leafs?
I guess hindsight is always 20/20, but I’d be sad if we lost both when either one was available.
by skilletboy on Aug 17, 2010 3:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldnt be too worried about Toronto
Burke was basically looking for more than he knew he could get and was establishing market value once the trade deadline comes.
No
They fill different holes on the team. I’d be equally angry at not getting Mitchell either way.
Also, we don’t know what the asking price for Kaberle was.
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DW said that he WILL upgrade the D
Not sure how the hell he’s gonna do that if he passes on Mitchell but ok
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by sanjosesharksfan on Aug 17, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
prob at the trade deadline where there will be a lot more options.
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Awesome…then we can get yet another part year rental that never really fits in with the team and does us no good in the playoffs. Sigh…
Just once I’d like DW to get the team set by training camp and just let them evolve together…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 18, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah i totally agree
Although i’m not going to complain if we pick up Hejda, Jackman, or Ryan Suter (maybe? if the Preds tank next year lol) at the deadline.
young top-6 forward and a high pick, I think.
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by red army line on Aug 18, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the reported one. We don’t know what exact players or picks he wanted from us.
Maybe it was Pav’s and a first? Who knows.
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Toronto would have to send their entire team to us, and it’d still be an underpayment.
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I’m not disagreeing. I just read fans whine that Wilson wasn’t willing to do what it takes, even if they don’t understand that “doing what it takes” could be crippling to the team.
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I'm with you on that point
Trades haven’t gotten it done for any team in recent memory to my mind. UFAs have. That and building from the ground up with players LIKE Pavs, Seto, and even Clowe, who we’ve been throwing around as trade bait.
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No
But I will be a bit more upset that he didn’t sign one of the plethora of UFA D men on July 1.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 17, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You mentioned the length of term in that first link...
and I think that’s going to be the sticking point for Willie. He’s going to want a few years, some financial assurance after that lost year, so let’s put the cutoff at three years. If he only gets offered 1 or 2 year deals, he’s going to have to resort to the team that gives him the best shot at winning it all, and that’s debatable given the teams in the mix for him are all contenders (SJ, WSH, VAN) or soon-to-be-contenders (LA). But if any team offers him three or more, with a reasonable price tag and incentive-laden bonuses I think he’ll jump at it no matter who it is. He’s not going to pick a team based on the fishing holes, he’s already left Minnesota.
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I’m just excited that he’s been able to shake the concussion concerns and work his way back into the NHL
Concussion concerns NEVER go away. You are always one strong hit to the head away from another. Aren’t we all heavily underestimating just how fragile he will be next year? Sorry, the more I think about it the more I think Mitchell is not the strongest play. Unless he comes for Kent Huskins money with moderate bonuses on a 1 year deal, I’d rather DW save the cap space and go after someone better at the deadline.
While that is usually true...
I’ve had my fair share of concussions from playing soccer (I’m fairly thin and nimble, thus easy to send flying), since my senior year in High School (when the last one occurred) I have yet to have any lingering issues.
And while my soccer playings is no where near the level of competition as the NHL, I’ve still sustained a few blows that would be deemed strong enough to cause relapse. Not saying hes completely healthy, but also not saying its impossible for him to be completely healthy.
by animadiversion on Aug 17, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve had a series of mild concussions myself, enough to put me out of the running for a week or two, but that’s a far cry from things that can put you out for a few months or more. Your sensitivity increases, and smaller hits can put you out for more. It’s a bad deal.
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And the last one was his third.
I think a lot of fans and teams are just hoping for the best because there’s such a need for quality D. But it is a valid concern.
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and woe are vastly different. There are those claiming hell never be normal, which is just not true. Claiming hes 100% already is also probably not true. While hes probably somewhere in the middle, its not impossible for him to be “normal” again. Thats the crux of the matter.
by animadiversion on Aug 18, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
As an aside, his agent Mike Liut hopes he’ll be in game shape in five to six weeks. So I’d say he’s not 100%.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 18, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
How many players are in game shape right now?
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by shooting4life on Aug 18, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
its not impossible for him to be "normal" again
For sure. I don’t think anyone’s claiming that; it’s the elevated risk for a repeat of what he suffered last year that’s worrisome.
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sadly
a lot of people are actually, and I don’t mean just san jose fans, I’ve heard Canuck fans say the same thing, as well as every other shade of fan I can think of, all because “he’ll never be the same.” Kinda makes me sad. Yea I know its a possibility and all, but for as little as he’s probably going to sign for, I definitely think hes worth the risk.
by animadiversion on Aug 19, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah
for the most part were all hoping we land him :)
by animadiversion on Aug 20, 2010 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions
About time he put us all out of misery, one way or another.
I am thinking he signs in LA. Panic settles here, till the season starts again. After two months Sharks find themselves running the table once again, while Calgary is tanking. DW then pulls another magic trick out of his pocket and acquires Regehr (around Christmas) for package that includes Huskins, Petrecki, McGinn, and a 1st round pick. You heard it here first.
In other news from the Sharks Ice – today’s Captain’s Ice theme was “bodycheck Devin Setoguchi”. After Boyle made couple of attempts, local college players joined on the fun as well. Seto just laughed it off. Now that he’s got a contract, he might as well. Even contractless Cheechoo took a run at our poor rising star.
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Even contractless Cheechoo took a run at our poor rising star.
awwwwww … I keep hoping someone will pick him up … poor guy.
and silly me made a run to the Sharks store today to pick up back to school stuff. spent more than I wanted, but still kept it somewhat under control. ugh!
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I drove down there, and by the time I got to downtown and found parking, it was closed early due to the Lady Gaga concert. Me=not very happy right now. Especially since I’m leaving for LA tomorrow morning.
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well that sucks!! you should place an order with friends / family to pick things up for you … it was dead empty in there as well … I think only one maybe two other customers showed up while I was there
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I already told my brother he’s going to do that for me, haha. I want some 20th anniversary swag! And some non-gangsta small shirts (that’s what I call shirts that say they’re adult small, but are really more like larges because of the whole “shirts that look like a dress” phase that gangsta-wannabes are going through).
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Yeah I made sure to get the 20th anniversary patch thingy for free even … now to decide what to do with it … and I know my boys are eying it as well, but seeing how they got the rest of the goodies, this one little item is all MINE!!
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poor cheechoo, it’s a bit depressing ):
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Hasn't been the same since that injury.
But that didn’t stop my wife from lighting up when I told her that he was on SharksIce yesterday.
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Bieber has had a hockey-related past
So I don’t think that’s going to be the last we hear of him.
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What? As a puck?
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Nah, he played some youth hockey
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As if i dont read enough hockey sites now ill be glued all week long to every site possible trying to catch a glimpse of where he goes.
Willie come to San Jose!
Is it true that the Canucks just have to move Bieksa to make space for Mitchell? If so, you gotta think that Mitchell ends up back in Vancouver. I know he loves Vancouver and the Canucks really love him. I mean, why shouldn’t they love Mitchell? He’s a great player, a great person, and a great leader. The more i think about it the more i think, ‘why WOULDNT he go back to Vancouver?’
It shouldn’t be too hard to move Bieksa, and look at this poll they took on Nucks Misconduct about who they would rather have between Mitchell and Bieksa. Mitchell won by a freakin LANDSLIDE.
I don’t get the confusion over the “can the Canucks afford him” thing? Yes, we are over…by about 3 mil. But trading Bieksa seems to take care of that. There are other guys that are on the periphery, like Alberts, who makes a little over a mil, that can be traded for a bag of pucks or released ( or thrown in on a Bieksa deal )
I see him being traded for a good deal player ( a mil or two ), and a pick or prospect for Manitoba.
Notice above that I did not even include the relief that will come from Salo’s deal being on the LTIR. That will help too.
But after thinking about it, talking with you guys and the Japers fellows, and even those Jewels folk, the Canucks may not be the fave if someone offers more term.
But from watching the guy play, and hearing him talk about things, ( I couldn’t find it on Youtube, but his articulate and passionate interview talking about finally feeling better shortly after the end of last season was awesome )…I would think a very big part of him wants to stay at home…but of course taking care of the family has to be considered.
I think he might sign a two year deal at home, but a 3 year deal would be what might get him to change his area code
That gives you a tops of 2 mil of space to sign him. All of the teams in the bidding have far more room than that to fit him. If you sign longer than 1 year then you can’t do a bonus laden deal (only 1 year on injury based bonus contracts from what I understand). So, he’d have to sign for 2 mil or less in Van. That’s a significant pay cut from what he made last year. Meanwhile all 3 other teams can offer more scratch and longer term.
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ED…we had this convo… I understand the Cap problems the Canucks have…but its not much of a problem. As to term, even without a bonus laden contract, they can afford him. Let;s try again…( like I said above, I think if another team offers 3, they have a chance, if they offer 2, the Canucks can do that…and if Willie REALLY wants ( doubtful), he can help out the Canucks and take a one year deal…maybe with a wink wink for another to be negotiated as long as he is healthy.) Though, since he has two from LA in the back pocket…he has a pretty strong hole card.
Let’s change abobe suggestion to trading him( Bieksa ) for pick(s) and a prospect.
Thats 3.75. Alberts is another 1 mil.
Salo’s LTIR is a credit to spend his money for what looks like at least half the season, I think he makes 3.5. ( I believe that is to pay for his replacement, which Willie would be )
That’s almost 6 million in relative Cap space. ( Don’t forget that it is calculated daily, and that teams often call up and down on young players that don’t require waivers for that very reason, while some vet is nursing a “minor injury” ) So there are even more little tricks that the teams all play that can be done.
Spend that on Willie, and you can still make some moves. Don’t forget that he wants to give Hodgson and maybe Schroeder chances ( though, unless they are totally blowing our minds, they probably play most in Manitoba and some on callups. ) More options…
The way I see it this year, Gillis is looking to go for the Cup. Spending right to the line and a little beyond is what the Hawks did. Its what needs to be done to get there.
Whether Willie wants to jump on board for that Cup attempt may or may not sway what kind of deal he gives the Canucks.
You believe what you desire if it helps you in your hopes to acquire the guy, but, respectfully, your understanding of the Canucks Cap situation is a little skewed…perhaps by Willie Fever. I know Plank has it…I guess he infected you too! LOL
If it was just about the money and getting every dollar, of course the other teams can overpay and the Canucks can not. But they can pay him fair market value without making major moves.
One trade, a waive if needed, and its done…( I believe the GM when he says he can " fit Willie in with little problem. The question was never that, it was if he is healthy. Now that he has shown that, we have every interest…" )
There must be a good reason the Canucks are still in right? Even with the other teams offering the bigger $$$?
On the flip side, if the Canucks were where he wanted to be and they could fit him if they wanted to, why is he letting the doctors of 3-4 separate teams check him to see if he’s healthy?
I don’t see the Canucks gutting their defense after what they went through last year in the playoffs to make room for one more guy, and you still have to pay Salo when he gets back. I never really understand why people remove his salary from the books if he’s going to be back.
I’ve had Willie fever long before Plank caught it, he may have contracted it from me. Even going into UFA day he was the guy I wanted.
You’re also assuming you’re getting no salary back from the Bieksa trade. I find it mostly unlikely that will be the case. There aren’t a lot of teams with the cap space left to fit him that would be willing to part with the picks and prospects you’re going to want for him. Most teams not near the cap now are working on internal caps.
I love that you’re giving me lessons on moving players up and down from the AHL without having to deal with waivers. Considering the Sharks used this so much last season that we more than doubled the transactions of players to and from the AHL in comparison to any other team in the NHL.
You can give those young players chances, but even if they don’t make the team, those roster spots will have to be filled. Doesn’t look like there are people on there that are making much more than what they make.
Mitchell is still giving them a chance, but unless they do something very soon it doesn’t look like it’ll work out.
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I’ve had Willie fever since June.
Willie Mitchell could be a perfect partner for Boyle, (he’s a lefty too!) he’s an awesome shutdown defensemen and i hear he’s a really great leader as well, and a good mentor to younger players. He had some concussion issues for a long time but he just announced recently that he’s fully recovered from his concussion and he’s healthy again. His cap hit on his last contract was only 3.5 million and we could probably get him for somewhere close to that considering the injury issues he’s had. I think he’d be a great player for the Sharks to acquire.
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Dude…nit giving lessons about anything, we just talking here…..Knowing which young players can go up and down is just a smart thing. ELC are awesome!
You raise the great point of the other teams…and that is true. He is going to take care of himself and his family first. I hold no animus to the guy at all. That’s first. But I was saying, knowing the guy just as a fan, but vetting his comments in the past, that second is the chance to win the Cup. and a very close 3rd to that would be doing it in his" hometown" team
I don’t think any of the more astute fans would blame him for taking a better deal elsewhere. We just want him back because dude is a freaking warrior.
I guess I didn’t lay it out clearly enough. Of course Salo’s money is still there. You can spend an equal amount over the Cap. That’s why I said relative Cap space. Even if you bring some salary back for Juice, moving Alberts, and maybe Hordichuk on waivers is more money.
The value to be spent from Salo on LTIR is about 1.5., or half of his salary, because it looks like half a season. After that, its easier to move whatever you need to move, either waiver, trade, or whatever to fit in the last half of Salo’s money.
And you can move a player easily in today’s NHL for little money back. The Hawks just did a whole passel of those deals. A prospect and a pick? No problem. Bieksa’s money is only 3.75.
Lots of teams can afford that if they think they need a player like him.
OK…your turn…
Yeah, I’m fine with all of that except one thing:
“The value to be spent from Salo on LTIR is about 1.5., or half of his salary, because it looks like half a season. After that, its easier to move whatever you need to move, either waiver, trade, or whatever to fit in the last half of Salo’s money.”
I don’t know what that means. Salo will only be back for about half the year, but you still have to pay his full cap hit when he returns.
The cap may be calculated every day but so is a players salary. Each day a players salary is /. The cap is /. It doesn’t matter that half the season is gone, because both equations divide by the length of the season it cancels out and you can just look at total cap hit of players on the roster on any given day.
There are fun ways to build up cap space if you are under the cap, but with Salo on LTIR he his salary still counts against the cap and you’ll just be operating at an over the cap number (completely legal under LTIR rules), so you won’t be building any cushion, you’ll just be using additional cap space that is granted for that situation.
For example. Lets say that the salary cap is 59M. A team has a roster that costs 61.5M but a player on that roster is on LTIR and making 3.5M. That raises the allowable cap for that team up to a maximum of 62.5M. The important phrase is “up to a maximum.” As long as that team doesn’t exceed that number, whatever number they’re working at in that range is considered the salary cap for all intents and purposes. They’re basically working at maximum capacity. So, once that player comes off LTIR they now have to get under the original cap of 59M.
I think we’ve already gone through this, but the sentence I quoted has me confused and I figured I’d just cover it again in-case there was a misunderstanding before.
After last season, if there is one thing we’ve puzzled out around here, it’s how cap calculations work.
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This is what happens when I try to make variables…
The 2nd sentence in the 3rd paragraph should read:
Each day a players’ salary is {Cap Hit of Player Contract} / {Total Days of the Season}. The cap is {Season Salary Cap} / {Total Days of the Season}.
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That’s about right. The way I read the CBA on this site, you can go over and all that you said.
It says that you once again have to be under at the time the player comes off the LTIR. Essentially, its a mechanism that allows to pay for replacement players.
That is what Mitchell would be. So, you can use that amount you can go over the Cap to pay Mitchell, and then have to make a move in the mid season when Salo comes off.
That’s what I was saying about a waiver or whatever move. Those are easier to make in mid season as well, as most teams have paid about half out, and the relative Cap worth ( the fact that if you have 1 mil of Cap space at the start of the season…its worth more.) Like Sundin being an 8.8 mil Cap hit, but because we signed him into the season, his actual Cap payout was 5.9 or something.
Of course, who knows? Dude really effed up his achilles, and he is, I think, 36.
Maybe he just retires. Right now he is in a cast…so he will qualify for the LTIR!
You only have to pay him 5.9, the cap hit is still 8.8.
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Exactly.
And that’s what I meant above. Salo will be a 3.5 mil Cap hit, but will cost less to bring back later.
Fun stuff!…
San Jose is notorious for not landing free agents. We wont be offering the top price and he's not going to take a performance based contract over money up front.
We get players via trade. Which we will have to do again this year to land that D man we need.
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You could take San Jose out of that and replace it with Washington and that would still apply.
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You could take Washington out of that and replace it with Los Angeles and that would still apply.
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Vanc? Anyone?
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The Nucks used to have a problem getting UFAs sometimes when we had Brian “I’ll drive him to the airport” Burke, and Dave " we are close to the Cup" Monis at the helm.
Lately, it hasn’t been a problem. Hammer, Malholtra and Samuelsson the year before are all players that had multiple offers and chose Lotusland.
The location helps too. No offense to Caps, Sharks, and Kings fans, but there are a lot more players from BC than those locals.
Its the same carrot Burkie tries to use in T.O too. Though, so far (“cough” Rick Nash)…I can’t remember too many recently. Maybe Armstrong.
Gillis has gone a long way to attracting FAs by spending money on all the little things, like the dressing room, travel, sleep studies to help with the pain of first class air travel …whatever they can.
Seems to be working so far…
I know eh?
Had the sarcasm button mashed down there…but yeah, they have little to bitch about compared to the average passenger.
Though the science of fatigue and sleep and all that stuff is why the GM has them on a sleep program. It seems to be working.
12-13 come from behind wins last year. Having energy in the 3rd to do that is a big thing.
Maybe GMMG can give GMDW the guy’s card or something…( you guys actually travel a little more miles than the Canucks, if I remember right! )
Yeah, over 5,000 miles more than the Canucks this year. You guys traveled a little more than us last year, but the year before that we were, once again, the team with the most travel. Woohoo.
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And the tantrums that causes among the LA fanbase are as sad as they are amusing.
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I think all 3 fan bases could commiserate on that.
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I thought it was Michael Jackson with Mitchell's head.
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by Noctro on Aug 19, 2010 12:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe we should just throw in one of these as a perk...
Cause, y’know…it’ just a pretty fly ride.
Seriously, though, I’m going to be right there with Plank if this thing drags out too long. Unless there is something we are all missing in prospect-land, we still need top level d. We gave up Nabby for cap space, and thus far the roster really hasn’t improved yet.
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by Noctro on Aug 19, 2010 12:07 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know how much truth there is to the rumor that Willie Mitchell will make his decision by the end of this week unfortunately. Here’s a quote from an article on Nucks Misconduct:
http://www.nucksmisconduct.com/2010/8/18/1630616/updates-on-mitchell-and-wellwood
The Canucks are remaining cautious with Willie and want him to participate in more rigorous drills at training camp to know for sure that his concussion symptoms are eradicated. This may drag out for a few weeks yet.
It sounds like the Canucks are just trying to buy more time for themselves in order to find a good deal for Bieksa rather than being rushed and taken advantage of.
yeah but who’s to say that Mitchell wants to keep waiting. If he wants to ink a deal now and be assured of a contract that might just mean too bad for the ’Nucks.
honestly, the more cautious and less confident the Nucks are in this can only mean good news for us.
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So end of this week – is that end of business week which means today, or end of the week which is Saturday?
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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Just because he may decide by the end of this week doesn’t mean he has to announce it then. He could decide on Saturday and wait til Monday to announce it. That’s where my money is.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 20, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
DON'T SAY THAT!
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
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Is it wrong
That I want to get both him and Bieksa…?
Boyle-Vlassic
Bieksa-Mitchell
Demers-Wallin/Murray…
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Put it this way ED…if SJ really offered Joslin and a 1st, the only reason he didn’t get Bieksa is real estate.
Why make a potential WCF opponent stronger?
Same sort of reason Chicago turned down a Van trade for Versteeg.
I’m thinking we might be able to wait the Nucks out, like we did Ottawa.
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First thought in my head when I read that:
“Here’s the good news. Every success I’ve ever had at my job or with the lady-folk has come from my ability to slowly and painfully wear someone down.”
If this drags past Friday I might just lose my mind.
Enjoy your weekend!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 20, 2010 12:57 PM PDT reply actions
Here's hoping that Willie's running on Vancouver time
We still got 26 minutes till 5pm!
I’m not holding my breath though…
C'mon Willie! Hurry up and sign with us soon!
Any longer and Plank’s going to sing a song about you!
(Actually, I’d be okay with that. I still have “I Can Make One Phone Call” in my iTunes.)
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