SB Nation Expansion Draft: The Sharks We Left Behind
That's right, Mr. Plank here with another commentary. Didn't think the SBN suits would have me back perhaps.
At one point I was sipping cocktails in some Tijuana alleyway with a broad named Alexis. Fine lass, a bit on the talkative side, but you get what you pay for and I wasn't paying a dime. She was a chef at some upscale restaurant in downtown San Francisco, real high class stuff, liked her scotch old and her men young. She liked a lot of things. I guess I was one of them, but I didn't pay enough attention on the account of the booze and incessant buzz of the power lines overhead.
Those power lines fueled the entire city. It hummed and we hummed. Oh to be young again. Oh to be young enough not to realize when you've grown old and bitter. The irony of the sun.
I lit my pipe, kissed her delicate nose, and took a taxi to the airport where the promise of worldwide connection awaited.
Chasing the power lines. Always chasing those goddamn power lines.
I'm always on the run.
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If you aren't yet aware, SBN's NHL page has set up a mock expansion. In this hypothetical scenario, the League has expanded to 32 teams, returning to Winnipeg and Quebec for one last shot at revitalizing the Canadian markets we all know and love.
So how does this effect the Sharks? Under the rules of this expansion, the Sharks have the option to protect a certain number of players from the clutches of the two new franchises-- anyone left unprotected is free game for Quebec and Winnipeg to obtain:
Ground rules on protected lists:
1) Teams can protect either "1 goalie, 5 defensemen and 9 forwards" OR "2 goalies, 3 defensemen and 7 forwards."
2) If you go the two goalie route, at least one goalie left unprotected must have played in at least 10 games last season OR 25 games in the last two seasons combined. One game = at least 31 minutes.
3) Each team must leave unprotected at least one defenseman who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined.
4) Each team must leave unprotected at least two forwards who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined.
5) Players who have played in 49 or fewer games are automatically exempt and do not need to be protected.
It's an interesting critical thinking exercise at this point in the offseason, what with training camp coming up quick around the corner. After the jump is my list of players to protect, the impeccable rationale behind it, and an invitation for you to call me a fool and try to sway me when FTF submits it's final list to SBN.
Considering the depth of the goaltending prospects in the Sharks system, the level of talent amongst the forwards, as well as the fact that leaving two goalies unprotected isn't even an option for San Jose (see rule #2 above), I will be protecting 1 goalie, 5 defenseman, and 9 forwards.
Goaltenders (Protect One)
The goalie situation is a difficult one for me to choose from. Niitymaki provides some stability considering he has been a starter before, and in yet another year when the Sharks are expected to be a Cup contender, that's something I'd like to have in my back pocket. His SV% has been pretty mediocre throughout that time (.903 career), but I like the fact that his even strength save percentage has been pretty solid the last two seasons. He's a goalie who should be good enough to win games provided he gets some defensive help in front of him.
On the other side of the coin is Thomas Greiss. I had my concerns about him going into last season, but in a limited backup role behind Evgeni Nabokov, he more than held his own (.912 SV%). I like his youth, his upside, and his reflexes-- the only suggestion I have for the coaching staff is to jimmy up a rope around his waist and tie it around the crossbar so he doesn't end up trying to make saves in between the faceoff dots.
When push comes to shove I protect Greiss. I think he can be just as effective as Niittymaki next season (i.e. both are guys who aren't going to steal you many games, both are prone to inconsistency) and will test him for the starting role all season long. With youth on his side, Niittymaki is pushed out and Greiss is protected.
* Thomas Greiss protected.
* Niittymaki exposed to the expansion draft.
Forwards (Protect Nine)
The beginning of this is as easy as punching a defenseless baby in the face-- Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Dany Heatley, Joe Pavelski, Devin Setoguchi, and Ryane Clowe are protected. Those are six players who comprise your top six, and with the free agent market pretty much dried up in respect to these types of guys, there's no way I risk losing any one of them without getting assets back in return.
Logan Couture doesn't need to be protected considering he has played in less than 49 NHL games. He'd obviously be on the list, but thankfully I've got another free spot to try and get some guys protected that I want to keep within the organization.
We now have three spots available to protect players-- unfortunately, we won't be able to use them all. Out of that pool, Jamie McGinn, Torrey Mitchell, Scott Nichol, and Jamal Mayers all fit the criteria for rule #4, which states that, "Each team must leave unprotected at least two forwards who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined."
Essentially, we're working from the outside in. Two of these guys must be left available for Winnipeg and Quebec to draft if they so choose, meaning a fan favorite could possibly be playing north of the border next season.
Jamal Mayers is immediately left unprotected considering his poor advanced metrics and role as a fourth liner. This means that the choice comes down to leaving Jamie McGinn, Scott Nichol, or Torrey Mitchell unprotected.
McGinn is a non-option for me-- he is protected as quickly as the decision was made to ditch Mayers. Which leaves me in a bit of a bind considering it now comes down to Nichol or Mitchell. Both players are billed as defensive specialists whose role is to shut down opposing forwards, create some havoc on the forecheck, and generally make life as difficult as it can be for anyone who goes up against them.
Let's take a peek at some advanced defensive stats from last season and see what we can glean:
Admittedly, this is a very tough one. Mitchell has the upper hand in the even strength department, but Nichol was obviously a much better and relied upon penalty killer. It appears as if the Sharks are going to be relying a lot on their younger players this season when shorthanded, in order to fill the hole left by Manny Malhotra, and losing Nichol creates an even bigger issue for the team in this regard.
In terms of intangibles, Nichol is the clear winner I'd say. He has a lot more fight in him, even at 35 years old, and is definitely a player that opposing defenseman are aware of when he's out on the ice. His faceoff prowess also can't be discounted here, especially when one considers the amount of time he spends on the kill taking draws in the Sharks end.
All that being said, Mitchell is a decent player. He's defensively sound, and despite lacking the physical acumen you want on those lower lines, has some wheels that can stretch defenses-- the kid can skate, and in today's NHL, that's important. Furthermore, his age makes him a more attractive option to keep. Nichol will likely lose a little jump next season, and Mitchell could improve both offensively and defensively.
With these things all considered, I think I choose to protect Mitchell over Nichol. Nichol, despite being a fan favorite, is a commodity that could be replaced with numerous other NHL veterans across the League, many of whom are still free agents right now. Furthermore, taking the perspective of Winnipeg and Quebec into consideration, Mitchell would be much more valuable in the case of an expansion draft (age, the fact that fourth liner centers are a dime a dozen). I'd say there's a very good chance Nichol gets passed over unselected and ends up playing in San Jose next season even if he goes unprotected by the organization.
* Joe Thonton, Patrick Marleau, Dany Heatley, Joe Pavelski, Devin Setoguchi, Ryane Clowe, Jamie McGinn, and Torrey Mitchell protected.
* Jamal Mayers and Scott Nichol unprotected.
Defenseman (Protect Five)
Just like the forwards, pretty much a straight shot from the get go-- I know what players I'm going to be debating over before I even take a hard glance at the roster. Dan Boyle, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, and Douglas Murray are the three who don't even warrant a thought process.
Jason Demers, despite being a rookie last season, has played in more than 49 NHL games (rule #5), so he's eligible to be snatched away. I use up my second to last protection slot on him, meaning I have one more player who can be protected.
Ah yes, on to my two favorite contracts on the Sharks blueline. Niclas Wallin versus Kent Huskins. A battle of the ages, the greatest spectacle in all of sports, the bees knees against the cat's pajamas.
Delightful.
Using the same methodology as before, let's take a look at last year's advanced defensive metrics and see if we can separate the wheat from the chaff:
A note before we get into this-- Niclas Wallin played for the Hurricanes last season before coming to the Sharks, which means the statistics you see here are a combination of his time spent in San Jose as well as Carolina. For a closer look at Wallin, follow this pretty blue set of text.
Wallin goes up against tougher competition, but is a minus player at that level-- Huskins is a stretch to play the four role, but does quite well when thrown on the third line. As for the shorthanded unit, they're pretty comparable on many levels. Wallin's team hurt a little more when he was on the bench, but their TOI is pretty similar.
In all honesty, this is a tough one-- not that I'm emotionally attached to any of these players (at least in terms of positive emotions), but there are upsides to both. Huskins is a much more efficient puck mover than Wallin, can skate better, and is cheaper. Wallin has had more experience in the top four during his time in the NHL, and probably gets you a little more pop shorthanded.
It's a tough one, but I stick with Huskins despite all his faults. Wallin is basically Douglas Murray without the bruising physicality we all love, and opens up $2.5MM worth of cap space to work with. I can bring in Paul Mara or Mike Mottau with that type of money, or use the cash to aggressively target some higher-priced defenseman who are available via trade.
It's one I really could go either way on-- ask me next week and I just might say leave Huskins unprotected.
Huskins: You start cutting me and you're gonna lose all your top guys. You gotta separate the wheat from the chaff somehow.
Wallin: Yeah, and these guys are all chaff.
Huskins: Yeah! Well no, we're all wheat.
Wallin: No, we're chaff.
Huskins: No, no we're not. We're wheat.
Wallin: Why would you want to be wheat?
Huskins: Who the hell would want to be chaff?!?
Wallin: Okay, you be wheat and I'll be chaff.
Plank: You two have no sense of talent whatsoever.
* Dan Boyle, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Douglas Murray, Jason Demers, and Kent Huskins protected.
* Niclas Wallin and Jay Leach unprotected.
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Let me know in the comments what you think of my selections-- if there's enough debate, we'll hold a poll to determine who will be left unprotected when the mock expansion draft is held.
Go Sharks.
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Wouldn’t Greiss be exempt because he has only played in around 20 games?
The situation with the forwards is where you would trade a 7th round draft pick to some other team for a random forward so you could protect Nichol. A shame we can’t do that here :)
Greiss had 12 starts last year, the minimum is 10 games, he qualifies for protection status.
I agree with the selections, Nittymaki can be replaced by Niemi or some other mid level goalie still floating around out there. Also, Winnipeg or Quebec can pick up Niemi, thus mitigating their need for Nitty.
At forward, the top 6 are easy, Mcginn is a no brainer as well. Another option is to sign a scrub forward who meets the requirements and leave them unprotected so the team can protect mitchell AND nichol. if not, then just dangle nichol, if you lose him, he can be replaced or had in a trade for the bare minimum.
Defense, i agree with the top 4, that is another easy selection. I would leave Wallin unprotected as well, you hope either Winnipeg or Quebec is stupid enough to take him and his 2.5 in order to reach their salary cap floor. If forced to lose one, id rather lose wallins cap hit then huskins cap hit for essentially equally effective players. If Wallin is lost, go out and sign another 5/6 guy or trade for the 2/3 guy this team needs.
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Breezed over this comment this morning, but you’re completely correct— Greiss would be exempt considering he’s played less than 49 NHL games.
Good catch.
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by Mr. Plank on Aug 31, 2010 4:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
After looking at your list, it’s not hard to see why expansion teams are typically terrible.
That being said, the Sharks would definitely leave Greiss unprotected, not Nitty… because they just signed Nitty and because they have a few more young goalies in the system who are probably better than Greiss. It’s also the right decision because Greiss is unlikely to be taken… remember, there will be at least 30 goalies available… doubtful Greiss will be in the top 4 most interesting.
So, that being said, just think of the garbage for those teams… Greiss, Mayers, Nichol, Wallin, Leach…. if I was starting an expansion team, I’d consider Nichol, but wouldn’t touch the others with a 10-ft pole.
I’d have to disagree here. Greiss is a far more valuable asset than Niitty. He still has RFA years left after his current contract expires and has the potential to be great. We already know Nitty isn’t going to turn into anything more than he currently is. There are also better replacements for Niitty in the market. He gets picked up, and the Sharks go sign one of Niemi, et al. to replace him. We don’t have anyone ready yet to replace the homegrown half of the goalie tandem.
Greiss is a more valuable asset to an already established team, but not to an expansion startup I would think.
I think an expansion team would want a more NHL proven goalie. They’re more concerned about the immediate results rather than wanting younger players in the system for the future of the team. They have to establish themselves before they can even start to worry about the future of their team.
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I would actually think that an expansion team would want to go younger— odds are they stink like hell for two years anyways, so why waste those years on a UFA goalie who will be gone once they’re ready to compete.
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how do farm teams work for an expansion team? are they given one fully stocked with players or do they have to start from scratch? in that case are prospects of other teams protected as well?
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Rule #5: “Players who have played in 49 or fewer games are automatically exempt and do not need to be protected.”
So yeah, prospects of every team are automatically protected. With goalies it gets a little tricky though, because rule #2 states that, “If you go the two goalie route, at least one goalie left unprotected must have played in at least 10 games last season OR 25 games in the last two seasons combined. One game = at least 31 minutes.”
That means the Sharks wouldn’t even have been able to protect both Greiss and Niittymaki.
In fact, if I’m reading this correctly, I don’t even know if there is a decision to be made on the goaltenders— Greiss has played less than 49 NHL games, which makes him exempt anyways. That leaves Niittymaki as the one who would have to be placed into the expansion pool regardless.
Huzzah for making a case to keep Greiss without sufficiently reading the rules Mr. Plank!
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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so in this scenario the expansion teams have no prospects to call upon? they have no farm team and simply have to slowly build it up with draft picks over the years?
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Correct. They’re strictly an NHL based team at this point, and any prospects they acquire at the NHL Entry Draft will likely play for another AHL team on loan, stay in juniors, or play overseas etc.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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There’s a weird balance that expansion teams need to manage between being good enough to attract fans and bad enough to get high draft picks. Maybe the former wouldn’t be an issue in Winnipeg or Quebec City, but it certainly was in the ’90s expansion cities.
Forming a team that isn’t terrible from the get-go actually hampers the franchise later down the road (see Blue Jackets, Columbus).
I think this rule doesn’t make sense. 49 games for skaters is not equivalent for goalies. But whatever.
I think people are overrating Greiss by a wide margin. The Sharks do not plan on Greiss ever being the future of this organization. Stalock or Sexsmith make more sense, but they wanted to get them more games in the minors than toiling on the bench behind Nabby. Greiss is fine, but he’ll never be a reliable starting NHL goalie. I just don’t see it.
When Kipper (who was not good at first) and even Toskala came up they both carried themselves much more confidently than Greiss on the ice.
Maybe I’m crazy, but lets look beyond the numbers. When Greiss is in the game, are you confident that he is at least an average goalie that could win a Stanley Cup behind a great team? I know I’m not. Not even close.
Also, what in this rule says you can’t expose an exempt player? The Sharks would expose Greiss even though he may be exempt to protect Nitty.
An expansion team would have no interest in a young goalie (Greiss) that is destined to be a backup in the NHL, at best. Whereas, a serviceable veteran backup goalie with off/on starting potential (Nitty), certainly seems a little more attractive. Either way, I don’t think either Greiss of Nitty would ever get picked by either expansion team, so this argument is probably moot.
I'm pretty sure
the rule states that we must keep at least one goalie available and non-exempt. Hence, if one of our goalies is already exempt then we cannot protect our other goalie.
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Correct— regardless, it still gives us a good opportunity to get a debate going. Fun exercise at this point in the season.
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What evidence has shown the Sharks do not plan on having Greiss be the future of the organization?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 31, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Fun facts:
Stalock in the AHL at age 22: .908%, 2.63 GAA
Greiss in the AHL at age 23: .907%, 2.47 GAA
SSS maybe, but I don’t get why Greiss is written off after starting only 13 games in the NHL.
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Rofl…neither of them were particularly great in the AHL it seems…good, above average…not great. Tis why I wouldn’t be opposed to Stalock being part of a trade to bring us back a mother fucker.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 31, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Greiss will be pretty comparable to Niittymaki this season, and the kid’s got some insane reflexes— I think you’re giving him too little credit personally. I don’t think he’s going to be the next Dominek Hasek or anything, but I’m confident that the Sharks could win a Cup with Greiss between the pipes provided they bring in some defensive help.
He’s not an all-world goaltender by any means, but as Detroit and Chicago have proved over the years, a strong blueline is more important than a great goaltender.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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I Agree With The Selections, But...
The fact that those decisions were as easy as they were and its pretty much completely painless to leave those guys exposed to poaching just reminds me of our total lack of depth going into this season.
I’m going to go hide in a cave, someone let me know when we have the top-3 defenseman and the additional third-line forward we need to be able to win our division this year.
Hard to disagree
I too have concerns, but at this point, I’m just so hockey starved, I’ll take what I can get!
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I would move Scott Nichol to Defenseman
And un-protect Huskins.
Problem solved!
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Mitchell vs Nichol
The worry with Mitchell is his year long injury and if he’ll ever be the player he was before that injury. While he still has the age to re-develop, the question is will he ever be above a 3rd liner again?
The worry with Nichol is his age, at 35 you only have so many years left in the guy. Still it might be worth it to an expansion team to grab some cheap veteran to instill a good work ethic to a young, new team.
Also, a defense for Huskins. While he is not the most talented defensemen, he still logs solid minutes on the 3rd pairing. He never did anything terribly outstanding last season, but he never had any terrible gaffes either.
I agree on the Huskins defense
In the playoffs he turned into beastly Huskins. There were a few instances where he moved the puck coast to coast and got the shot on net. As he skated I literally jumped outta my chair and said “Who the hell is this guy?!” I coulda sworn Dan Boyle was using a left-handed stick for a second lol. Still, I’ve warmed up to Huskins and don’t have too many knocks on the guy.
Agreed that Huskins is a valuable five guy— my beef with him isn’t his skill set, but the amount of cap dollars allocated to that skill set. He’s a fine player in the role he’s fitted to play in.
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Agreed on his talent level
And I wonder if we wouldn’t be complaining so much about his salary if the Sharks didn’t have Moore/Joslin as possible replacements (85% of the talent for 35% of the cost). $1.7m for a pretty good 5 Dman is probably the break even point for that kind of a player. He isn’t a bargain, but looking at his basic and advanced metrics it is hard to argue that he is really that overpaid, at least in a vacuum.
Honestly
I’m more comfortable with Huskins over Joslin or Moore or any of our prospects. Let’s just say they are 85% of the ability and 35% of the cost. That isn’t a bargain in my mind, especially while we’re trying to beef up our D. We already have cap room and we aren’t even spending it.
Now mind you, if the price difference in Huskins’ to Joslin’s contract is what’s keeping us from signing a #3 D-man then I’d be all for it, but where we are right now, I’d rather overpay for any defensive advantage.
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i like this:
At one point I was sipping cocktails in some Tijuana alleyway with a broad named Alexis. Fine lass, a bit on the talkative side, but you get what you pay for and I wasn’t paying a dime. She was a chef at some upscale restaurant in downtown San Francisco, real high class stuff, liked her scotch old and her men young. She liked a lot of things. I guess I was one of them, but I didn’t pay enough attention on the account of the booze and incessant buzz of the power lines overhead.
Those power lines fueled the entire city. It hummed and we hummed. Oh to be young again. Oh to be young enough not to realize when you’ve grown old and bitter. The irony of the sun.
I lit my pipe, kissed her delicate nose, and took a taxi to the airport where the promise of worldwide connection awaited.
Chasing the power lines. Always chasing those goddamn power lines.
I’m always on the run.
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not sound like a noob or someone that doesn’t know fine literature (both of which i am), did you write that yourself or is that from something/someone else? its really quite nice
by nhlogan on Aug 31, 2010 6:07 PM PDT reply actions
I just whipped that up last night when I was writing the piece, decided to throw it in. Thanks for the compliment.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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The only one I'd change is Nichol for Mitchell
But I happen to think rather low of Mitchell. Mitchell can’t score. He’s decent on the PK, but Nichol is much more stable. And Nichol is a beast in the faceoff circle, which Mitchell is not. All Mitchell has is speed, and if he can’t do anything with it, what’s his use? For me, the positives of making sure Nichol stays around would greatly outweigh what we’d lose if Mitchell is grabbed (which I suspect he wouldn’t be).
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 31, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Mitchell doesn’t bring as much to the table as I expected out of him after his rookie year (of course the injuries…). However, those advanced stats seem to hint that he’s very good defensively (5v5)… however, why he is terrible on the PK is beyond me. Mitchell still has some value on the bottom lines with his speed, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s thrown into any trade the Sharks make.
I’m with you on not being that high on Mitchell, but fourth line centers like Nichol are a dime a dozen. I love Nichol and the passion he brings to the table, but a younger Mitchell is much more attractive for a team who’s going through expansion. Gabe from BTN and Mirtle will be drafting the teams, and I’d be a little surprised to see either one of them pick up an aging 35 year old fourth line center who saw the softest minutes on the team besides Brad Staubitz (!!!). Mitchell saw the third lowest, but his age and skating make him more attractive in my opinion.
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How would a no movement clause play into this?
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