Could Andreas Lilja crack the Sharks lineup with a strong camp?
Maybe. But my question is will it really change things all too much.
Now don't get me wrong here-- there is absolutely nothing that says this training camp tryout is detrimental to the team, the organization, my mental health (and subsequently your mental health), or anyone even remotely involved with breathing oxygen on planet Earth (except maybe Jay Leach-- more on that later).
It's a solid play by Doug Wilson-- invite a veteran blueliner into camp, push the young kids to prove themselves, generate some healthy competition, and see if Lilja fits into the plans for next season. The downside is exactly zero when it comes to tryout contracts, and the fact that he is familiar with Todd McLellan could also be considered a plus.
As of right now the Sharks have seven NHL defenseman under contract-- Dan Boyle, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Douglas Murray, Jason Demers, Niclas Wallin, Kent Huskins, and Jay Leach. That's a full squad of guys who fit into certain niches amongst the blueline, contributing in their own special way to help the team win hockey games.
I've covered this all offseason so I'm only going to briefly summarize my position here. Boyle, Vlasic, and Murray are top four players and will provide stable minutes all season long. After that you get into a situation where you're asking a guy to step into a role (second pairing) that they're fairly unfamiliar with-- Demers, Wallin, Huskins, and Leach are all bottom pairing players as of right now, and the only one I can see developing into a top-four guy down the road is Demers (who is still a season away from being consistent enough in his own end to warrant 20+ a game-- his TOI during the playoffs is a good indicator of that I think).
So can Lilja step into the top four? By the looks of it over the last three years, I'm going to go ahead and say probably not-- if anything, he's a stretch, just like Demers, Wallin, or Huskins would be:
What we have here is a guy who is a solid penalty killer, a good depth guy who would be completely fine in sheltered minutes on the bottom pairing. Essentially he's a Kent Huskins/Niclas Wallin with a Stanley Cup ring...oh. Huskins and Wallin both have Stanley Cup rings? Got it. So basically he's a Huskins/Wallin type player.
Again, no drawbacks to this training camp tryout. It's a good move in principle. But it does very little to address what the Sharks actually need on the backend (top three defenseman)
If Lilja does end up making the roster, I think you see a situation where he ends up making a league minimum salary. Jay Leach is demoted to Worcester to free up that roster slot. If that's the play the Sharks are looking at here it's a solid one-- Lilja will definitely be a better addition to the roster than Leach would be, and his credentials as a stable bottom pairing player only improves your depth in the event of injury. There's no chance San Jose gives him more than a one-year deal, which won't prevent a prospect from making the team next year.
If Lilja is signed however, it does make it more difficult for a guy like Derek Joslin, Mike Moore, Matt Irwin (et cetera) to get a call-up during the year considering the Sharks would be pretty loaded with NHL capable players on the roster. There's always the chance an injury or two hits, and a young guy does get his shot, but with Lilja on board it does make that a less distinct possibility than it was two weeks ago. There was a logjam of bodies then as well, but a guy like Jay Leach probably would have been left in the press box in favor of getting Joslin/Moore some NHL time if one of the starting six had to rehabilitate an injury.
In essence, it's a safe play, and one that really doesn't have any drawbacks. Increase the competition level, assess your roster, and see which historically bottom-pairing defenseman is most suited to take on a role bigger than the one they're used to. It's not the guy San Jose needs, but it's a guy they could use.
Just don't expect Lilja to come in and start slaying top-end competition anytime soon.
Go Sharks.
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So if we pair Lilja-Wallin on the bottom pairing for our first two games in Sweden…will that make the Sharks the “home team” since everyone in attendance would be creaming their jeans for our defense the whole time?
Also, how many goals would that bottom pairing give up? Hmmm….
Lilja isn’t necessary, but if he impresses, whatever. Either way we still need a top 3 guy.
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Ok, you’ve convinced me, theres no downside here. If he makes the team he can contribute in a lower end role and hopefully sop up some PK time. It would be nice for Boyle to be allowed to catch his breath a bit more with fewer PK shifts.
I was more worried with 2-3 months down the road where the Sharks are looking to make that trade for the #2-3 D man and the roster is littered with toxic contracts and mediocre players. When the trade happens, Lilja is a canidate to be sent the other way, ~$200,000 for a servicable D-men should be doable for any team.
If he cant be traded, then we can waive him, if he doesnt get claimed, he gets stashed in the minors with Leach and could be useful as an emergency guy in a playoff run.
If I remember correctly this is like the Bobby Dollas play many years ago? Sign aging ho-hum defensive d-man, let him look good out there against crummy competition, parlay him into something by mid-season, move on with our lives.
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Where does this ~$200,000 come from?
At minimum wage he makes $500,000. That cap hit will be basically the same all year long. Sure, that’s his salary, but when it’s that low nobody in the league cares.
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Anybody think this might indicate a D man might be traded very soon? Gotta assume DW thinks Lilja can make the lineup, whether or not he does, by giving him a shot.
Wonder if DW is working on something….. Hmmmm. Hopefully.
by skilletboy on Sep 16, 2010 2:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
^— First thing that came to mind was that someone might be headed out. We might be shipping off a d-man and prospect for a better d-man or something like that
by animadiversion on Sep 16, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think so, he’s a camp invite looking to make the team still.
by pooponastick on Sep 16, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus,
We need a bruiser out there to protect the young pups. Where’s scott parker btw?
You don't NEED a bruiser
You just need guys willing to step up. We got rid of Shelley and Staubitz for a reason.
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by idunno723 on Sep 16, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was watching FTF’s edition of Late Night Confidential recently (yup, I’m that hockey starved) and realized that TCY has a competitive pair of eyebrows.
Nic Wallin: as good as Nic Lidstrom... he just doesn't know it yet
Gotten me in and out of a few sticky situations, these caterpillars have.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Sep 16, 2010 8:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Monster Mash is gonna make the team
It’ll be fun.
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How much of a chance do you think Scarbossa(sp) has to make the team?
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by tealkegkilla on Sep 16, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
The guy’s only 18 (and only JUST 18 at that). I think he’ll probably get signed, and then see action in the AHL or something.
Nic Wallin: as good as Nic Lidstrom... he just doesn't know it yet
Last rookie tourney there was another small forward who did really well… Damn I can’t remember his name… Anyways the Sharks passed on him too…
I’m not sure they’d sign/draft him… Not totally sure if he is UFA available or needs to be drafted. I’d think he needs to be drafted. But I’m not an expert.
by skilletboy on Sep 16, 2010 10:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
ERLICH!!!
He played in the rookie tournament this year.
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Anybody at camp is signable by the Sharks. They can re-enter the draft in following years up until the age of 21 I believe.
Elrich (“Rudy”) was not signed last year, but was also not drafted again, so he’s back at camp.
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does the same situation apply here for Scarbossa? that was my wondering….
by skilletboy on Sep 17, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
This might already be old news,
But Paul Mara signed with the ducks.
The dude abides
Be cool to animals but F#CK PETA!
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Meh
Lydman is out indefinitely until they figure out what is wrong with his brain. Apparently double vision is the symptom, but I think it goes earlier than that, when he signed with the Ducks.
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off topic but...
I really have to get this off my chest, in NHL 11 Nitty SUCKS!! That is all… Kthxbai
Mike Babcock's wife thinks Joe Pavelski's a STUD!! Enough said.
by Pizzle on Sep 16, 2010 9:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
There’s a thread for that.
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If Lilja makes the team and at around league min...
it’s gonna make that 2.5m to Wallin look even worse. Maybe im wrong but Lilja is pretty much the same player as Wallin, no?
by skilletboy on Sep 17, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions
Training Camp thinned out a bit:
The San Jose Sharks today reduced their training camp roster by 14 players, leaving 52 at the main camp.
The following players have been assigned to the following clubs:
Cameron Brodie D Worcester (AHL) Tryout
Thomas Heemskerk G Everett (WHL) Signed as a free agent Sept. 29, 2009
Leigh Salters F Worcester (AHL) Tryout
Marek Viedensky C Saskatoon (WHL) 2009 NHL Entry Draft (7th round, 189th overall)
The following unsigned draft choices have been returned to their junior clubs:
Konrad Abeltshauser D Halifax (QMJHL) 2010 NHL Entry Draft (6th round, 163rd overall)
Dominik Bielke D Berlin (DEL) 2009 NHL Entry Draft (7th round, 207th overall)
Freddie Hamilton C Niagara (OHL) 2010 NHL Entry Draft (5th round, 129th overall)
Philip Varone C London (OHL) 2009 NHL Entry Draft (5th round, 147th overall)
The following players in camp on a tryout have been released and returned to their junior clubs:
Cam Braes F Lethbridge (WHL) Tryout
Spencer Edwards F Moose Jaw (WHL) Tryout
Daniel Erlich F London (OHL) Tryout
Samuel Finn D Lewiston (QMJHL) Tryout
Spencer Humphries D Tri-City (WHL) Tryout
Zach O’Brien F Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL) Tryout
Sucks for the tryout guys… Looks like Elrich didn’t impress this year.
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Saw that
I’m slightly unclear on that middle group’s status. I’m assuming it doesn’t mean we gave up rights, just that they’re currently unsigned as well as not in camp. But that’s my guess rather than my knowledge. Can anyone set me straight on that?
Glad to see Salters and Brodie get rewarded for their work at Youngstars, but too bad for those other guys.
I also assume this means Anderson and Sgarbossa are headed to camp.
Sharks on twitter:
AHL:
Dan DaSilva http://twitter.com/wsharksdasilva
Mike Moore http://twitter.com/wsharksmoore8
Frazer McLaren http://twitter.com/Frazermclaren68
NHL:
Logan Couture http://twitter.com/Logancouture
I don’t think mike gets the concept…
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