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This is copied and pasted directly off my friend's Bay Area sports blog, Breathebay.com.  We don't get many hits so I thought I'd give Fear the Fin a try for some feedback.  The posting was set up in two different parts, and you can see the original piece and the response from LILSusnowski, another one of our writers, on BreatheBay.com.  Thanks for reading.

 

How Does This Trade Bode for the Sharks?

I don't think this was a great move by the Sharks.  The stats from last year's regular season show that Nabokov had a much better season than Niemi last year.

Evgeni Nabokov

2009-10 Statistics
SPLIT GP GS MIN W L OTL GA GAA SOG SV SV% ENG SO
Reg Season 71 71 4194:07 44 16 10 170 2.43 2168 1998 .922 2 3

Antti Niemi

SPLIT GP GS MIN W L OTL GA GAA SOG SV SV% ENG SO
Reg Season 39 35 2190:28 26 7 4 82 2.25 936 854 .912 2 7

Nabokov's save percentage was at .922, compared to Niemi's less than stellar .912.  Nabokov's playoff statistics were slightly worse, but outside of the Sharks series, Niemi put up pedestrian numbers.  In the end, Niemi's total playoff save percentage was just .003 points higher than Nabby's numbers.

The most important statistic we have to look at, however, is the shots on goal allowed stat.  The Chicago Blackhawks gave up the least shots in the league last year and about 150 total shots less than the second place team.  That spells out great defense and a great scheme rather than great goaltending.


I think Niemi was overvalued after his strong performance in the Sharks series.  If you have the time and resources to re-evaluate last year's playoff series against the Blackhawks, pay close attention to the number of quality chances we got against the Blackhawks.  There weren't many because of poor execution through the neutral zone and in the one-on-one battles in the zone on our part.  Niemi stole one game from us behind one of the most talented and deepest defensive teams in NHL.  He isn't Jaroslave Halak, and he probably isn't going to be the Antti Niemi that we saw play against us, especially... ESPECIALLY if we don't make some upgrades on our own back line.

This signing indicates two things to me.  First, I don't think we'll be able to upgrade our defense until maybe the trade deadline.  Second, we plan on relying heavily on our goaltending for defense next year.  Our cup hopes are looking dim for now, and while it wasn't a bad signing, it wasn't the one we needed.  I guess it's still better than Antero Nittymaki?

 

Part 2 of a 2 Part Posting:

I have some additional comments on this trade and the offseason in general.  Sharks fans across the internet have been making accusations against Doug Wilson of lying or going against his word about goalies not being the key cog to a championship, but the signing of Niemi doesn't disprove his belief.  Our first move this pre-season was to sign Antero Nittymaki, a decent goalie at a reasonable price.  Did we maybe overpay a little bit?  Perhaps, but we still had plenty of cap room to round out a decent squad of defensemen.  Wilson's focus this summer was defensemen, and he tried signing a top-4 defenseman multiple times to no avail.  Our attempts to sign Tomas Kaberle, Niclas Hjalmarsson, and Willie Mitchell were all denied.  All three signings would have been great for the Sharks, would have filled out our top 4, and would have put us in a great position for a strong cup run.  However, they fell through, and Wilson doesn't have any more options that don't require giving up too much (e.g. draft picks, Clowe).

My belief is that Wilson, with no more options left at the blue line, and stuck with a below average defense and an average goalie, opted to improve our goalie position for this year only, signing Antti Niemi and upgrading that position.  With the move, he put us into a more favorable spot in the cup race, and though I feel we're not in as good a position as we were last season, we're better off than where we were 2 days ago.  There's a very deep free agency at the defense position looming in 2011, and having Joe Thorton, Wallin, and Niemi's salaries off the books could have us rejoicing over one or two big free agent signings next summer a la the Vancouver Canucks 2010.  Signing Bieksa or Kaberle is not out of the question.

LILSusnowski stated on his article that I no longer feel the Sharks are a favorite to win the cup.  That's true on some level.  I do not think the Sharks are a favorite to get to the Stanley Cup Finals on paper this upcoming season.  However, the Stanley Cup Playoffs are not about "paper champions."  To succeed in the playoff season, teams must execute the smallest details of their game precisely, and win one-on-one battles through grit and determination.  Last year, we were not able to do that against the Blackhawks.  The year before, we were unable to do it against the Ducks and so on.  The reason hockey is so great, and the reason I love hockey (at least the NHL variety) is that there is parity.  Last year, the Eastern conference finals consisted of the #7 and #8 ranked teams in terms of points.  In 2005-06, all 4 lower ranked teams won in the first round of the Western Conference playoffs, and the 8th ranked team was the Stanley Cup representative.  So while I don't feel we are favorites anymore (more like 2nd tier), I feel we have a chance to win in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.  Perhaps being dubbed an underdog is what we've needed all along.  We haven't been handed that title since our 1st round victory over the Nashville Predators in 05-06, right before we became the favorites to win the cup for the last 4 years.


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Everything discussed in the fanpost was discussed at nauseum in this thread

http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/9/2/1664777/the-aftermath

And for the record, I don’t believe that the majority of FTF readers were happy about the Niemi signing so no need to persuade the majority here.

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by Will Bulldozer on Sep 6, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah i agree about the underdog thing. Most years we have such a good team that all our guys need to do is play up to expectations and it would probably be enough to win a Stanley Cup. This year though, our players will have to overachieve if we want to win it all.

Worst case scenario, this season will be a very good experimental season where we learn what we really have in a lot of players. I see 2011-2012 as being our best chance at winning a cup, not that we can’t win it this year.

by Khaaz on Sep 6, 2010 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I will eat my shorts if Joe Thornton is not a Shark next year

So I wouldn’t count on his salary coming off the books. It would be great if we could get it reduced, i don’t know, say under 7 mil (something along the lines of Marleau’s contract – but of Joe’s preffered three year variety)

by jMoneyBrah on Sep 6, 2010 11:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I have a feeling we can get it reduced. He wants to stay here, loves it here, and will buy into the help the team philosophy.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Sep 7, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t he just want to play for a cup? So if he’s sticking around, why not reduce your salary so the Sharks can sign another amazing player, making us more likely to win a cup?

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by ninakix on Sep 7, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or, enough to re-sign Wallin!!!

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by jwizzle241 on Sep 7, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

rolls eyes...

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by Noctro on Sep 9, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wonder what the over/under will be next year on people whining about the Wallin and Huskins contracts even if they’re off the books.

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by Evilducks on Sep 9, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

A look into the future

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by joe579 on Sep 10, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am probably in the minority on this site, but I don’t really feel the defense is remotely as weak as people are making it out to be. The playoffs to be specific, aside from a game in each series (none of which were deal breakers in the series at that point) we were pretty solid defensively. Solid enough to go all the way. I think Heatley’s injury and not having the scoring threat he is capable of being when healthy enough hurt us far more than defense as a whole in our 2010 playoff run. Those things happen, that’s hockey. True, we lost Blake. As much as i loved the guy, he seemed average in his play during the season and a bit better in the playoffs. If you are going strictly off play (which most people do when talking about this sorta thing) we don’t seem any worse. Although you never know what kind of loss from the locker room he is going to be, as we are generally not ever given a full insight to a players contributions there aside from hearing some broad cliches. The way i look at it though in the west…the teams around us didnt improve that much and the Blackhawks who were our only real big hurdle got drastically worse. Although the Kings and PHX are getting better, I still see those two teams and the Avs as another season or 2 away from being realy cup contenders.
I wasn’t happy at all about Niemi as I watched all of the Hawks games in the playoffs, so i know he was average. Although, I guess we’ll have to see as it’s not like he had a full season of being the guy coming off a cup win. So we’ll have to see. I still think we are the best team in the west though with only really losing 3 contributors. With the way we draft young guys and the way Wilson can manufacture things, I don’t have any worries.

by dannyschmanny on Sep 7, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

true

but blake was a real force in the crease. besides Murray, he was the most physical dman we had IMO. I’m not sure if Wallin is gonna take that role or not, but i guess I’ll have to wait and see

by FinAdic on Sep 11, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

After having time for reflection...

I tweeted this a bit earlier, but I’ll embellish here…I don’t think that the Niemi signing was a bad idea. I also think that this was part of a larger plan that DW was able to pull off due to impeccable timing of Niemi’s arbitration and the offer sheet he laid down for Hjalmarsson.

Let’s step out of the Western conference for a moment, and jump over to the ECQF last year. PHI v BOS. Boucher in the goal. then about 5 players crash the net, and the next thing you know, he’s out with two damaged ACLs. Fortunately for them, Leighton steps in.

Zoom back over to our side of the continent. Game 4 of the WCQF SJ v DET. Nabby goes stone cold. Greiss is called in to stop the bleeding, but we still get blown out 7-1. Sure, Nabby did his typical shake-off by game 5, and we went on to win the WCQF, but what if something happened…something that kept him out of the game? And the next…and the next…?

I believe that scenario is what DW is working to mitigate with the new Twin-Finn-Tandem, and after watching Nitty play several times these last few weeks of Captain’s Skates, I’m seeing something intriguing. Nitty and Niemi, while their stats are similar, play goal quite a bit differently. Niemi is more of a wall, a bouncer if you will, whereas Nitty is more of a glove-man, going for the catch and holding onto that puck more often than the straight-up block.

Maybe it’s my desire to feel optimistic. Maybe it’s because the season is creeping up and I want to believe.

Or maybe DW might just be on to something we didn’t see before, and like the rest of the league, we got duped by the left when looking at the right.

Does this mean I think the tandem is a better netminding solution for the Sharks? Well, I’ll reserve that opinion for the time after I see them on the ice.

Everyone here knows Nabby ws my favorite Shark—he is a hard act to follow, and I believe that we will appreciate him more now that he’s gone, but I understand that DW may be looking to cover his own 5-hole this year with the new tandem, in the hopes it will get us that long elusive cup.

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by Noctro on Sep 9, 2010 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I think what you’re getting at is a good and valid point (the benefits of tandems), however, I think that Greiss could have done what Niemi is slotted to do. That’s where most people have concern and issue, we most likely will have to ship greiss out now and we will never know how well he could have done given the opportunity.

by animadiversion on Sep 10, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’ve come to realize that is the plan. It looks like they have decided that Stalock is THE guy for the future but needs at least 1 more year of seasoning first. And when all of the Free Agency D-men didn’t pan out, they thought getting Niemi on the cheapish for a year was a better tandum with Nitty than Greiss who they are essentially ready to part with more or less.

by dannyschmanny on Sep 11, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much sums it up.

Don’t get me wrong, I like the G-man, but whether yuou cheer or cringe when you hear it, Niemi has the cup experience. And he was bouncing pucks when all of us thought there was no way he could do it.

Hate him in Red. Love him in Teal.

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by Noctro on Sep 14, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is twice in the past few weeks

We’ve gotten another “READ MY BLOG!” type post.

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by joe579 on Sep 10, 2010 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

This isn't a "read my blog" type post...

I prefaced it so that: 1) People can read the response written by a fellow writer if they so choose, and 2) they can read further articles by me if they so choose. It’s not like the article is littered with references to my blog.

by Forty9Ounces on Sep 12, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just kidding… I guess it is somewhat of a “read my blog” type post. But it’s more substance and analysis than anything so… what’s the problem here?

by Forty9Ounces on Sep 12, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't sweat it, mate.

I think people would have railed you if it continued on a separate website, though. ;-)

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by Noctro on Sep 14, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

That this doesn’t really warrant a fanpost as it falls directly under the subject of a news headline that was posted when Niemi was signed, with most of this analysis already there.

It could have been posted in the comments in there.

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by Evilducks on Sep 14, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought about that too, but I didn’t want to post this much text under a comment… I thought it would get a little cluttered…

What exactly is the fanpost section for then? I thought it was just fan analysis…

by Forty9Ounces on Sep 15, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s for fan analysis, but usually not rehashing stuff that’s been covered already. Especially when that post is still on the front page. When you do that it attempts to split the discussion, which isn’t a very good way to contribute.

So in conclusion:

Analysis good

Analysis that is posted other prominent places already, not good.

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by Evilducks on Sep 16, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s not that great, the team in front of him was…..

Good Luck

by CAHawksFan on Sep 21, 2010 11:48 PM PDT reply actions  

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