Sharks tinker with forward lines, add Kyle Wellwood and Ben Eager
by FTF Staff on Jan 18, 2011 10:46 AM PST
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PrintEarly Tuesday morning, the San Jose Sharks announced that they have added two forwards to their roster by acquiring Kyle Wellwood off waivers from the St. Louis Blues and Ben Eager through a trade with the Atlanta Thrashers. Sharks General Manager Doug Wilson has always had a penchant for making moves under the radar, and did just that twice today.
Although neither player solves the glaring need on defense, they solve a newly formed lack of depth forwards resulting from injuries and suspensions. Ryane Clowe, Torrey Mitchell, and Benn Ferriero are all out with injuries of uncertain length, while Scott Nichol has just received a four game punishment for a dangerous hit levied against David Schlemko of Phoenix on Monday.
Let's start with Eager, who was sent from Atlanta in exchange for a fifth round pick in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft. He comes to San Jose for relatively little, in terms of both cap hit and the low pick that was needed to obtain his services.
He also has relatively little impact in the long run, as Eager has settled into his role of fourth line agitator so far in his career. He has always had the promise of something more though, something that Phoenix undoubtedly saw when they drafted him 22nd overall in 2002. To this point, Eager has been unable to truly capture that promise, scoring 11 goals in 2008-2009, 7 in 2009-2010 and just three to date in 2010-2011.
Aside from the potential scoring ability, Ben Eager is a forward who plays hard and plays physical. He also has Stanley Cup experience; his Blackhawks won the Cup last year if you weren't aware, eliminating San Jose in the Western Conference Finals along the way. That's a fact that wasn't lost on Doug Wilson.
The player described above would almost always be a welcome addition to your lower lines, but Eager's scoring promise and physicality come with a price. He's been known to take some questionable penalties over the course of his young career, as noted by Second City Hockey two years ago. In fact, the first game he plays with the Sharks will also be his first retuning from suspension. He was punished by the league for his cheap shot on Toronto's Colby Armstrong a few weeks ago.
Eager also doesn't add much defense to the forward group, he's seen middling to low level quality of competition throughout his career, and he doesn't play on the penalty kill. With Mitchell on the shelf and Nichol out for the next four games, that's a weak spot for San Jose's already struggling penalty killing unit.
Lastly Eager's cap hit, although under $1MM at 965,000, throws a bit of a wrench into San Jose's plans for acquiring a top three defenseman. Most players of the caliber needed will be making anywhere from $3MM-$4MM, and any excess cap space would have assisted in such a move. If the only move made today was for Eager, it would have left many in San Jose scratching their heads.
However, Doug Wilson made a better addition just hours later, stealing Kyle Wellwood off waivers from the St. Louis Blues. Wellwood, who had been playing in the KHL this season, was inked by the Blues just a few days ago. The Sharks snapped up the forward, who's contract will pay him $650,000 this season according to capgeek.com.
Wellwood is well known throughout the league for being a heavyweight, but in the purest form of the word. As such, he's been somewhat of a running joke among fans and the media alike. Still, we like the move to acquire him, as it adds legitimate scoring pop to a team that has had trouble getting production from its current group of lower line players.
For his size, he's actually a pretty decent skater. As we mentioned above, that skating ability coupled with his above average offensive talent could make him a threat; he's posted seasons of 18 and 14 goals with Vancouver over the last two years. Wellwood played time on Vancouver's power play during that span, and although he wasn't their first option, he still added 13 power play goals over the last two seasons.
Like Eager, Wellwood won't be contributing at all to the penalty kill. In fact, he won't contribute much at all to the physical aspect of the game. But he's cheaper than Eager and has a higher offensive ceiling, a very low risk move that could pay off for Doug Wilson in spades.
As a result of both moves, Andrew Desjardins, Brandon Mashinter and Justin Braun have been sent down to Worcester. John McCarthy, who has been out with a lower body injury for a few weeks, has been activated. Torrey Mitchell, however, will be hitting long term injured reserve with a recurring lower body issue.
In the long run, getting Eager and Wellwood do little to solve the pressing need for defense, and make limited sense on their own. Simply put, they add depth and the possibility of improved lower line scoring. These things help any team, but the Sharks other issues trump those by a wide margin.
However, the moves do grease the wheels for a possible trade of one of the Sharks current forwards in hopes of acquiring the much needed defenseman. To illustrate our point, here's how we think the lines shake out, with injuries.
Heatley - Thornton - Couture
Marleau - Pavelski - Setoguchi
McGinn - Wellwood - McCarthy
Mayers - Nichol - Eager
We've included Nichol, even though it's just been announced that he's received that four game suspension. Those lines are very capable, even before the return of Clowe, Mitchell and Ferriero. As soon as those players return, you're presented with quite a log jam. In our opinion, that's reason enough to believe that one or more of Setoguchi, Mitchell, Ferriero, McGinn, Desjardins or Mashinter will be shipped out to help acquire a defenseman.
At face value, today's roster moves mean little, and won't in their own right get San Jose over the hump. However, if they are in fact the precursors to a trade we believe to be on the horizon, they are solid depth acquisitions for an inconsistent group. We don't know when the other shoe will drop, but Doug Wilson has shown with these moves that he's not satisfied with his current roster. It appears as if he is unafraid to make the changes he feels necessary.
Something will give, eventually.
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Nice summary.
It’ll be interesting to see where this goes.
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Hmm.
Low risk across the board, but I also expect low returns. I hope this is part of a greater move, as the rumor mill suggests.
ok,
So who needs forwards so bad that they will part with a high level D-man?
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
Take a chance. Bleed Teal.
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They'll want Couture for one of their D-men
Also, conference rival. They won’t let us have squat.
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Wellwood could see some power play time here. Especially while Clowe is out. And should provide some scoring for the lower lines. I actually don’t mind this move…I think he’s better value on the 3rd line than Mitchell was.
The Eager move doesn’t really do anything for me. But the cost of acquiring him wasn’t that great.
Ultimately, I guess this could be a precursor to some big move for a defenseman. But I kinda don’t see this as anything more than “we have injured forwards, so lets bring in some new forwards.” Wellwood and Eager can provide depth while people heal…then can get scratched, or sent to Worcester. The people these guys are replacing aren’t really going to help us get a top flight D man anyways. Mitchell, Ferriero, McGinn, Desjardins and/or Mashinter aren’t really the kind of pieces that a trade for a top flight D man is built around. But they are who’s expendible now…
I dunno, we’ll see. At least something interesting has happened…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 11:17 AM PST reply actions
In terms of injuries
I’m going to assume that Mitchell re-aggravated his groin pull (hopefully nothing more to do with his leg injuries of recent years) and this time will probably be out at least a few weeks.
And maybe Ferreiro will be back by Thursday, so we can have a full four lines of forwards, since it seems like he was just dealing with some eye problems from his fight.
So even without Clowe in the lineup, I’m much happier with our three-line depth with Wellwood in the mix. I suppose you might see Eager thrown in there at times, especially at the start, but hopefully this also helps get McGinn going a little bit more and doesn’t mean that the third line is a black hole for any top-line forwards thrown onto it, guys like Pavs or Seto.
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I wake up to see my brother tinkering with his NHL 11 lineup
I was like “Why are you adding Wellwood???”
That’s how I found out about the acquisitions, heh.
On a side note, the Sharks have played with extra jump when playing against some guys’ former teams (Ottawa & Chicago particularly). Hopefully that’ll carry over for Wellwood on Thursday.
Don’t really care for the Eager trade, but at least it was only for a 5th.
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I'm really...really... surprised
Heard about Wellwood going to the Blues yesterday, and this news today came out o’nowhere. I’m pleased that we got Wellwood for cheap, but puzzled by the Eager acquisition, as he has seemed, to me, like worth not much beyond taking up space and throwing his weight around.
by JenLovesHockey on Jan 18, 2011 11:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Ben Eager, blech.
That recent cheap shot only added to my previous disgust with him, and now he’s gonna wear teal. I like tough guys who ride the line and play smart, not guys who get compared to Avery and are gonna take crap penalties and stress our already struggling PK units.
Sigh.
What does Mitchell going on LTIR do to our chances of moving him? I didn’t think he had a lot of value already, now it seems like he’d be relatively worthless as a trade piece of any size and might actually lower the value of players he’d need to be packaged with. And I really hope we don’t have to lose Ferriero or Mash, I have soft spots for both and they each seem to find ways to contribute one way or another when they play.
Interested to see how Wellwood handles this opportunity (insert joke about our locker room benefiting from some added hunger). More interested to see where DW goes from here.
After all, when in trouble you call DW…. DOUG WIL-SON!…. crap, I can’t think of anything good for the “let’s get dangerous” part. DAMNIT EAGER!
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LET'S GO SHARKS!!!!
(insert joke about our locker room benefiting from some added hunger).
The locker room needs some added hunger! :P
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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 18, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Let’s trade serious? Other GM’s fear us?
I agree on Ferriero and Mash. Especially Mash.
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“Let’s…trade…serious.”
I like it. A lot.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Not at the price.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Good acquisitions, but is a trade on the horizon?
Im sure that once Clowe gets back, there’s going to be SOMETHING happening.
Eager-meh..adds grit to the Sharks
Wellwood: Does have talent, so I think its a good deal
His best year was in Toronto, when he was given a good chance to play…42 points in 48 games..that’s good. But will he return to the form? i hope so :D
On a side note, expect some more Wellwood is fat jokes from Down Goes Brown lol :D
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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 18, 2011 11:39 AM PST reply actions
It seems logical to expect the other shoe to drop now in terms of a trade for a defenseman, but I wouldn’t be so sure. I think the issue might be that Wilson is realizing that the market this winter for defensemen is so challenging—that the demands teams are making are so high—that a better tactic might be to bolster the forward lines, add some legitimate depth (if everyone is healthy we could have some pretty great 3rd and 4th lines), and hope that that depth helps to negate, to some extent, some weaknesses that might still be present on defense.
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by Timorous Me on Jan 18, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Glencross!
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by Mr. Plank on Jan 18, 2011 11:41 AM PST via mobile reply actions
?
what?
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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 18, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
You sold me on him.
And then it didn’t happen. Broke my heart.
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Joel Ward, Eric Belanger & Owen Nolan too. We just shouldn’t do this to ourselves.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Say what. Is this in the works or are you just calling it? :|
by JenLovesHockey on Jan 18, 2011 11:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
How about Glencross + Regehr? Don’t give up the dream?
It's nothing but crumpled porno and Ayn Rand.
by strongrobot on Jan 18, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I Love This Acquisition! Eager
I had posted something about a month ago about what the Sharks needed in their bottom 6 and Eager was one of my targeted guys. He brings some more sandpaper to the roster, cup experience and has a decent shot. He was one of Chicago’s important role players in last years Cup run, he will definitely put fear in the opposing D. I love it!
Chicago doesn't miss him
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Man
Reading any sort of scouting report for these guys, it really feels like we did nothing but fill roster spots.
T-Mac already has the third and fourth lines on a pretty short leash. I can’t imagine he’ll want to put Eager out against anyone worth mentioning. And McGinn-Wellwood-McCarthy isn’t going to scare anyone either. It’s a big line, and that’s nice, but they’re going to get absolutely torched in transition.
I think we overpaid for Eager. Whatever. We can bury him in the minors once Clowe comes back and we get some cap relief when his contract comes off the books.
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Elvis, I agree. A seventh seems more reasonable for Eager, but I guess he is a former 1st RDer, so that probably upped his value, right or not.
For a guy like Eager, with his low low cap hit, I think a 5th rounder is a great deal.
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Gotta say, I do like the flexibility that Wellwood and Eager give us in terms of forwards. Both Mashinter and Desjardins were not really ready for the NHL. Yes, Mashinter was definitely playing well the past two games, but he’d do better with more ice time down in Worcester. Desjardins still needs quite a bit more time in the AHL, and it was fairly obvious that he was only up because of injury and the fact that Worcester’s forwards are kind of sucking right now (outside of Cheechoo, but we’ve gone over this many times). Letting the both of them develop more will be good both long-term and short-term. Plus, Worcester needs the help. It’s looking like Couture and Ferriero carried that team offensively last year.
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I have to say..
At game 2 of last years WCF, Eager stood out like a sore thumb to me at least and before the Sharks signed Mayers I was hoping we would get another edgy agitator like Eager just in case, and now with Nichol suspended for four games we need one. Dont know about Wellwood though… SHARKS!!!!
Disagree. Clowe and McGinn are definitely willing to push their weight around. However, with Nichol on hold for the next four games and Clowe on the shelf, can we count on McGinn?
Perhaps we need a new occurrence of Angry Joe…
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Clowe is too important to be fighting and sitting for 5. Angry Joe? Dont count on it. McGinn? Dont believe the FTF hype machine. As for the nonbelievers, Eager takes those penalties that get under the opposing teams skin, think of him as another Steve Ott, and dont tell me you would’nt want Ott on your roster.
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ott nets his team power plays
Eager nets his team penalty kills.
Very much not the same player.
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Im thinking as a role of agitator
Not goal scorer, Im sure is what Wilson had in mind.
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
In which case
He’s still a bad agitator. An agitator should put you on a power play, not the penalty kill, more often than not.
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Wow !
you must have followed Eager’s career very closely. The guy hasnt played a single minute and he sucks? Unless youre a pro scout and actually know what your are talking about, please give it a rest. He’s on the team, deal with it.
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
I've followed him just as closely as you
He hasn’t played a single minute but he’s the grit and sandpaper that we need.
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maybe he can scratch your soft buttocks
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Come on guys. Disagreeing on the merits of Eager is one thing. This is starting to get personal, though, and that’s not acceptable. Cool it.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
You’re right, Clowe shouldn’t have to sit for 5. However, short of putting Mayers out there with Couture, he’s what we’ve got. Besides, you said grit, not fists.
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I’m skeptical of Eager because he takes more penalties than he draws.
And frankly, McGinn is a gritty player. Not sure if you have been missing the games, but he’s been working hard and being a dick. The hype more has to do with people having crushes on the guy ;)
And Clowe is a gritty player. You don’t have to fight to be a gritty team. Mayers hasn’t quite done what he is supposed to do, but maybe having Eager and Mayers together will spark some grittiness. I just don’t want this team to become dirty, by any means.
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He takes dumb penalties
The Sharks have struggled on the PK this season anyway, and he’ll rob the 4th line of ice-time. He’s a goon who’s not even a goon. He’s a pest who doesn’t win the penalty battle.
He’s Brad Staubitz.
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Did I read correctly?
Benn Eager has 3 goals to McGinn’s 1?! Playing 4th line minutes and taking dumb penalties and not doing anything. Hmmmmm
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Eager does have 3 goals and McGinn has 1
McGinn’s also taken a lot of dumb penalties, but has a higher ceiling. Atlanta is already celebrating the fact that they got anything for Eager, who himself was a throw-in salary dump from Chicago. He’s getting paid too much for what he’d bring.
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Wilson needed bodies to fill out a roster, the Sharks will now have the ability to roll out 4 lines once everyone is healthy. Have you noticed lately McLellan has really only put out 2.5 lines the last couple of games?
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
McLellan always rolls 2.5 lines
Regardless of who he has available. He doesn’t think ice-time affects a player’s performance.
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Dan Boyle may agree with this.
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Because you can not put Worcester against NHLers. Duh!
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
We had a fairly full compliment of forwards last season
And he still basically played 2.5 lines.
And it’s not like teams are afraid to throw their rookies out against us.
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Those numbers are so low
That the sort of comparison you’re trying to make is meaningless. Statistics says your point is crap.
Sorry
That came out ruder than I meant it to. But still, with that small of a sample size, I just don’t buy the statement that 3 goals is so huge compared to 1. 30 is huge compared to 10, but 3 compared to 1 is just two lucky shots. Or, in this case, some highway robbery of McGinn.
I agree w/ stufflife that we get plenty of grit from Ginner and Clowe, but Nichol, in my book is top three for sure – and really, no one matches Nichol’s unwavering, consistent tenacity. Love Nichol to tears. He can never leave.
by JenLovesHockey on Jan 18, 2011 12:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately Nichol is leaving for 4 and he’s 36 years old, who do you think is going take on his role when he and Mayers are gone?
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Did free agency go away or something?
How does Eager solve that problem for longer than the rest of this season?
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Surely if Eager does flop, he will not return. However, if he plays his game, he will stick with the club.
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, because the 3-4 minutes of “grit” that Eager provides when he’s not a healthy scratch will really be the difference between 11th in the West and winning the Cup…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Cant be any worse than what Jamie McGinn brings
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Ooh, those are fighting words around these parts!
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Good thing we brought in Ben Eager to not fight well!
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McGinn plays 11:39 a night and has 33 PIMS.
Eager plays 12:15, and has 77.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Eager plays 12:15?
And Atlanta is still good?
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How many fighting majors? Game misconducts?
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Only three games in which he had more than 5 minutes. 45 minutes between those three.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Also
McGinn: Age 22
Eager: Age 26
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Kent Huskins also has a ring
As does Nicklas Wallin.
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all important factors for veteran stability.
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Jamie also has significantly more hits than Eager.
87 to 48.
Blocked shots are 17 to 9.
We’ve got Eager, so I’m not going to drag him through the mud. But he’s only slightly outproducing Jamie points-wise and Jamie’s play has been more physical aside from giving up penalties.
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I will
I love Jody Shelley to death, but he and Brad Staubitz were anchors on the lineup. If Eager stays in teal for any significant portion of the season, the 4th line will see less and less ice time, exacerbating an existing issue on the team.
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Thats a grim prediction
I dont think the 4th line, with Nichol (master of faceoffs) back, will see less ice time. Eager may take some bad penalties to try and fire his club, but I would rather see him in the box then Nichol. I look forward to see what he brings to this team, its a fresh start…
by sharkblood99 on Jan 18, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
The prediction has less to do with Eager
And more to do with McLellan.
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I see
One thing is for sure, Vancouver is in for a rough ride come Thursday, Eager isnt liked that much there
by sharkblood99 on Jan 18, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Mashinter played 3:24 last game against Vancouver
Desjardins played 2:16.
McLellan is terrible at ice time management, and I doubt he’ll give Eager anything over 7 minutes. And if he plays a single shift in the third period, I’ll voluntarily watch an episode of Jersey Shore.
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I’ll voluntarily watch an episode of Jersey Shore.
Oh man, I don’t care how sure you are…that’s a lot to wager!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Watch, the Sharks will somehow take a massive lead into the third, and Eager will not only play in the third, but will get PP time, just to spite you.
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Sometimes
Breasts aren’t enough.
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McGinn has 14 minor penalties.
Eager has 15 minor penalties.
Eager > McGinn
Eventually we’ll all realize that McGinn will never reach his potential in the NHL. Even on his one goal this season, he barely managed to put it in the net on the juiciest of juicy rebounds.
I guess I don’t really understand why a defense of Eager is to put down McGinn.
First, McGinn isn’t leaving. Eager isn’t taking his place. So the argument is moot at that point. However, if we’re looking at what Eager brings to the table; at best, Eager is McGinn’s equal. AT BEST! So your argument is to trash McGinn in an effort to make Eager look like a good roster addition? THIS. MAKES. NO. SENSE!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Who cares if it barely went in?
Dany Heatley’s first goal “barely” went in. Should we go back and discredit goals scored by players on the Sharks because the puck doesn’t go top shelf every time?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jan 18, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Even if that’s true (which I have a hard time believing), we already had McGinn on the roster. We had to give up a pick and cap space to bring in Eager, who is pretty worthless all around. If he can be an Ott, great. But he has shown literally no sign of being that kind of player. He’s a Staubitz, who I don’t miss in the slightest.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Could it be foreshadowing a Clowe trade?
You have to give up something to get something. I know Clowe is having a great year, but that just increases his value. The combination of Eager and Wellwood would seem to imply that maybe that’s the plan. An admitted downgrade in offensive capability by shipping out Ryan, but trade that for a really good D, and i think its a good idea.
I wouldn’t want to play cards against DW.
Trading Clowe now would be like using a picture of a flat tire to try and sell your car on Craig’s List.
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I highly doubt it. He’s one of the best players on this team. Honestly, I think DW would only pull that move if he was getting someone REALLY worthwhile. Because while defense is important this year and in the following seasons, Clowe is important now and will be important later as well.
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"important now an will be important later as well"
Exactly this. Clowe is one of our top guys this season, the few we can count on game in and game out, and we can’t give that up. Also, Clowe is clearly a leader in the lockerroom, the kind of leadership the Sharks probably need, and not just HTML grazing awkwardly about the locker room (sorry guys I really do love ya)
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Well, it would be a mistake. Unless we’re trading for a young Norris candidate who is signed for years, why make a “final piece for a Cup run” trade this year?
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The best Clowe would fetch us
Would be Kaberle or Beauchemin. Maybe Rehger. Clowe is a player trending up in his career. Rehger and Kaberle are, at best, holding steady. Beauchemin might be trending up, but nowhere near the rate at which Clowe is. Clowe isn’t nearly enough to fetch the likes of Weber, Doughty, Seabrook or anyone who’d actually make a difference on the roster. Trading him would be a mistake.
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Beauchemin is exactly what the Sharks need; a defenseman who can play huge, tough minutes, He wont put up a lot of points, but he keeps play going the right way. Also, Boyle won’t be completely burned out come playoff time.
While I’d be really happy to get Ryan Clowe on the Leafs, I have a feeling a trade would revolve around Seto. And I don’t really want to give up our best defenseman for Setoguchi unless we also get, say, a 1st / 2nd / Prospect combo as well (not all three obviously).
I think it’s safe to say that Kaberle or Beauchemin would be for Seto, a prospect, and a 1st or 2nd Rd pick. No way Burke lets them go for less. Seto could shine on the Leafs where he’d be relied on more heavily offensively than in SJ.
I'm unclear on how Seto should be "relied on more heavily offensively,"
seeing as the man can barely score with the ice time he gets. When he starts doing things with those minutes – and he’s been moved along to almost every line on the team – then we can talk about relying on him more heavily. Seto’s inability to preform is not a result of this team somehow “discriminating” against him, he’s been given every opportunity to succeed, and hasn’t risen up. It’s all on him.
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This. He is not playing well, and there are no two ways about that.
by animadiversion on Jan 18, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Leafs fan here
I highly doubt Burke would demand that much for either Kaberle or Beauchemin…well, maybe Kaberle but definitely not Beauchemin.
Maybe it’s just the pessimist in me but I don’t think you guys would have to give up anything more than Setoguchi + a 2nd or 3rd pick for Beauch. I do think he would be a good addition to the Sharks though.
by Brad Ackerson on Jan 18, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
No way Clowe gets traded. He’s really stepped up into a leadership type roll here, as well as stepped his game up and really made the lines he’s played on much better. He’s become an essential cog in our offense, and we really can’t afford to move him now. Not unless we’re getting a Shea Weber type return, and he won’t fetch that yet.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think a Setoguchi Trade is on the horizon
These moves clearly add some depth to our forward lines, and certainly seem like a precursor to a bigger trade. I would expect with Wellwood coming in, you can expect Setoguchi to be moved as he’s been squeezed out of the top 6. No way DW moves Clowe at this point.
I doubt DW planned on Wellwood, but when he saw that Blues contract being so cheap, he figured why the hell not.
I don’t love our 4th line (Nichol-Mayers-Eager) but it certainly is gritty. With Mitchell on LTIR for an extended period, you can fit a lot of the new salaries under his cap hit. Also, I’d expect the Sharks to stop carrying healthy scratches to avoid the cap hit of those as well.
I think DW has his eye on Kaberle, but Burke isn’t going to let him go cheap, he’s proven that. Who else could be available is tough to guess, as often DW comes out of nowhere.
Overall, I’m generally happy with these moves. They take some the AHLers out of the lineup and breath some new life into the team which is probably needed.
The real question is will Kaberle want to waive his NTC to come to San Jose? And can we afford him? I don’t see Kaberle coming to SJ but I have been wrong before.
by winthecupsj on Jan 18, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I doubt Kaberle will come to SJ, as Burke and Kaberle have proven to be difficult to deal with. However, I just think in terms of salary and offensive skill, he’s the best fit.
In terms of offensive defensemen, I don’t think there will be a better puck mover on the market (if he’s actually on the market)
While I've heard Kaberle's name tossed around quite a bit
My question is: Is he a great defensive defenseman? I know his offense is pretty top notch, and while that’s important too… we need a more well rounded, Rob Blake kinda guy. I still wish we’d gotten Hjalmmer…
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I don’t disagree, but you just aren’t going to find a top 2 d-man. Personally, I’d rather have another puck mover than a more defensive player. The Sharks goal scoring this year is way way down… the GA are up too, but I think the bigger problem is moving the puck on the backend. I know others disagree.
I actually sort of agree with this
I think one of our big issues is finding someone who can get the puck through those bodies – we could see the difference that a guy like Braun could make when he did this. However, we need someone who isn’t going to make the same number of mistakes and can be solid in the defensive zone as well.
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I;ve always thought Kabby’s defense was underrated but it’s still nothing to write home about. His positioning is solid but he doesn’t play physical at all.
If you guys need a more well rounded defenseman Francois Beauchemin would probably be a better fit than Kaberle and he wouldn’t cost as much to trade for.
by Brad Ackerson on Jan 18, 2011 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Seto is going to be the trade target, but he has to be packaged with someone else or it doesn’t make sense. Seto’s contract is too small to make room for one of those elusive Top 3 defensemen. Contract wise- Clowe is the guy we would have to give up to make room. What we can afford to lose is Seto. So it will have to be either Clowe or Seto and another roster player. I believe it will be Seto and a roster player. Can DW make it Seto and Huskins? Let’s hope so.
Also, lets not forget. If we do keep Seto, we are looking at being able to sign him to a longer term and very cheap contract since he hasn’t produced in this his “contract year”. For the future of the team, that might be the best option.
One of the d-men would have to go to bring one in, I think.
We can’t afford to have an expensive 7th d-man sitting in the pressbox. Not likely to be Vlasic, Murray, Demers or Boyle taking a seat and we can’t even try to stash Wallin in the AHL. Paying Huskins to sit would suck. So odds are he’s the guy who goes if we can find a taker.
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Yes, Huskins or Wallin or Murray would have to be packaged… or buried in the minors… or injured. I definitely wouldn’t rule out any of those. Wallin saw the fewest minutes of any of the 7D last night. I think you could see that contract be McLaren’d
Correct
That’s the difference between a NTC and a NMC. Movement includes waivers, whereas the trade does not.
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Yup.
We’re stuck with Wally, no matter what.
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Well, to be fair
Given the possibility of a sinking ship here, he could want out. But that brings us back to the original problem, who, that’s still in contention, would want any of our players with the NTC/NMCs?
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According to Capgeek its just a NTC. Of course, they aren’t the end all be all…but they are usually on top of those things…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
I just remember being so flabbergasted when it was inked (yes great word i know!) that it stuck with me, but again I could be wrong, it has been known to happen once a decade, and it is a new decade!
by animadiversion on Jan 18, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
I could definitely see this as well...
Seto and Huskins could be a good package, maybe a guy like McCarthy (though I love him) thrown in…
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I wouldn’t want to trade for Kaberle at this point. Not for what Burke will want in return…at least without a contract extension. Seto and a 1st is way too much to give up for a rental. Especially for a team struggling to stay in the playoff race.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I’m still not convinced that a bigger move (winger and/or D-man) isn’t in the works. Even a guy like Glencross. These moves are decent (I’d rather have Wellwood over Eager though, as weird as that sounds) but they’re not enough. DW is not an idiot, and he may just be working towards that bigger move.
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More moves probably are coming
But again, the REAL win out of these moves is that Mash, Desjardins and McCarthy will be able to spend more time in Worcester and commit to helping that team make a good long playoff run.
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i don't think McCarthy can go to WOR..
… without going through waivers. And that would not be very smart talent management at this juncture; he’s young, and not altogether untalented – he might trend up as of yet. You could at the least package him in a deal, but I hope he says. I really do like him.
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If anything...
These moves add some new NHL blood to the lineup. Maybe it’ll help the chemistry a bit in the room, or at the very least, shake it up….
that seems welcome to me regardless.
I was thinking more along the lines of Chris Phillips. Defensively capabale and needs to get out of the Ottawa hell hole. His price may have never been lower and hes on the last year of his contract.
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If he could be had for cheap
I’ll take him. He’s probably not a difference maker, but if he can just eat some minutes without taking penalties or getting torched, sign me up.
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But considering his contract, he couldn’t come cheap, especially not now that our cap space is pretty much gone.
It’s going to be really hard now for DW to bring in any defenseman of any significance. I don’t know if Lou would be willing, but it makes Andy Greene of NJ that much more appealing, what with his $750k cap hit or whatever.
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Can I just repeat that I would love Greene in teal?
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Yes
I think that by continuing to bring him up, I’m basically doing the same thing. Of course starting the Glencross bandwagon last night didn’t exactly work out, so I have little hope here, too.
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Still praying that Carolina falls out of the hunt and Joni Pitkanen becomes an option. Seto/Huskins, a 1st and a prospect.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Pitkanen would be sweet…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
That would be awesome
Except they have like 3 games in hand.
And Cam Ward.
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Cam Ward is my favorite goalie in the entire NHL. He and Staal keep Carolina in the hunt pretty much every single year.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Looked much more promising before they won a bunch in a row.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
A little bit of an overpayment eh? I think GM’s are going to be holding those 1st & 2nd rounders a little tighter this year to net a bigger gain. But then again its Doug Wilson and he loves to dangle those 1st/2nds like carrots.
by OrangeJulius on Jan 18, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
I've got an idea...
Let’s all pretend we know exactly what role Ben Eager will play for the Sharks! It will be a gas!
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I THINK HE’LL SLIDE IN NICELY NEXT TO THORNTON. HAS MORE FIRE THAN HEATLEY. AND A CUP RING.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
BUT THORNTON DOESN’T HAVE A CUP RING! HE’LL HOLD EAGER’S POTENTIAL BACK!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
So we just replace him with Huskins
Or Niemi. A ring allows you to fill roles you’ve never even been exposed to, from what I hear.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
So...
We could use Eager as a top-two defenseman?
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Oh are we going all Byfuglien on these kids?
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Multiple choice
A. 4th line grinder/knucklehead
B. 3rd/4th line knuckleheaded sparkplug
C. 4th line/healthy scratch
D. …?
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EPICBEARDMAN!
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Scott Nichol
Got 4 games? Wow! I guess I didn’t really see it that way on replay. Orr gets nothing for his hit on Couch, and Nichol gets 4.
I’m fine with getting Wellwood and Eager, neither one costs much and there is some upside there.
As much as I want Seto to develop into a more complete player, if he doesn’t, he’s not going to be worth more than he is now. I would be crushed if Clowe got moved, he’s the heart and soul of this team. I’d rather see a top line guy go to get a top flight D-man rather than see Clowe get moved.
It’s probably more likely that we get Beauch or Phillips for Seto, a D-man and a pick. Still almost 6 weeks to go before the deadline.
Honestly
Maybe Eager can add something important that is missing in this team. The way we got punked around after the Orr knee on Couture was embarrassing for the team and the fans. Eager should be the type of guy to make sure that doesn’t happen again.
This is the best argument for the Eager addition that I’ve seen yet. I’ll be honest, I was pretty embarassed by the Sharks’ “response” to the Orr on Couture incident. Eager wouldda gone and fucked some shit up if he was here for that…that’s for sure.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps
DW feels the same way, embarrased at how the team responded after Couture could have been put out for the season?
BLOOD, I DEMAND BLOOD!
But to be fair, Orr never got back on the ice… Clowe was p-i-s-s-e-d. It was kind of cute, in a Cloumance type of way <3
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It shows how much Clowe has matured and taken that leadership role to heart. Hes not only defending his linemate there, hes not only defending their top rookie, hes not only defending their top goal scorer, but hes defending a smaller rookie who might not necessarily be comfortable defending himself there., or even able to. Its a testament to Clowe’s dedication to the entire team.
by animadiversion on Jan 18, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
I still am not a big fan of Clowe or the other big names dropping the gloves. Too much can go wrong (see current Clowe injury) for no tangible gain. That’s what we have guys like Mayers (and now Eager) for.
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I think this will be a hard part to push out of Clowe’s game, just because it’s always been such a strong part of it. He’s always done it, and I think it’s more of an attitude, as animadiversion says, than something he just does. We may not like the risk he’s taking, and he may do less of it, but I doubt in incidents like that Clowe lets things drift…
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Pretty sure he said he got clipped by a skate in the leg before the fight even happened. Guess it might have made it worse though.
I would say Clowe knows how to fight and still keep himself in the game better than most. Ferriero on the other hand….
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 19, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know what response we wanted. Clowe responded at the time and the linesmen broke it up. Ronnie Wilson was smart enough that Orr didn’t play a single minute afterward. So there was no opportunity to take it to Orr.
Did we want Mayers to cheap shot McArthur or something???
In terms of response, the response I wanted was to win the game. Which they did not accomplish… but as far as physicality, they responded fine.
I would have been happy
If Orr got a suspension (Bettman was in the house) or as you said, if we had scored in the 2 minute PP. The other option is taking it to one of their stars, that’s what some might advocate?
but as far as physicality, they responded fine.
We discussed this a lot at the time of the incident…but how in the hell did they respond physically? If anything, they got pushed around even more physically, and then went and hid in their shell and lost their lead. It was embarassing. They didn’t show an ounce of fight after the Couture hit.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree. I don’t think they went into a shell. I just don’t think they were playing well at the time and that makes it look like that. They played the same in every game in that losing streak…. sloppy.
I don’t know what you wanted? Drilling Kessel? None of our D-men were fast enough to touch him.
Drilling Kessel would have been a nice start…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Drill him hard enough and you basically hand the Bruins a 1st overall… ugh, scary thought.
By the way, if any of you are wondering why Leaf fans are popping up on the blog today, it’s because:
A)WANT RYAN CLOWE !!!!
B) You guys have a good blog
C) Looking to share Wellwood is fat jokes
Nobody touches RyanE Clowe.
Nobody.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
You just broke all the female fan's hearts
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Probably in their best interest
I don’t know what kind of woman Ryane Clowe proposes to, but I gotta assume she’d eat your babies and leave you looking like a holocaust victim in pageant make up if you tried to touch her man.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't she a Newfie, too?
I think that pretty much guarantees you’re right.
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Either way
I’m sure she’s embraced kissing the cod
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I wonder what he found for a substitute….
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
you can also kiss a puffin
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by Karina on Jan 18, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
CONCUR
Nobody touches RyanE Clowe. Sorry, there is just no way this is happening. Maybe if you trade those creepy twins, but I think that defecating burrito is all the creepiness this fandom needs… :P
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Speaking of option C.
I heard the Sharks are looking into getting one of these babies.
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Would you rather have a group of retaliatory players, or a team who is focused on trying to win a game.
Never understood the “you hurt our guy we’ll run yours” idea.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Not retaliatory players, but players willing to stick up for one another. Players who use something that’s happened to one of their best players to give them an edge, a chip on their shoulders. I’m not talking about running around gooning people. But they looked dead afterwards…not the response I’m looking for. No energy.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
They looked dead because they lost. They had 21 shots in the second and eight in the third. Team was in a slump.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Well, we’re just on two opposite sides of the issue then. It just seems to me that a hit like that is either something that can fire your team up and piss you off, or deflate your team. And it appeared to me that it was the latter. You seem to think it was just because they were playing poor in general at the time, and that’s fine. It very well could be. I’m not in anyone’s head. Just my opinion…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Same here. No issue.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not about running their guys for me, it’s about keeping your energy and momentum up and trying to take away theirs.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
There's a lot of little things you can do
Snow shower the goalie, take an extra whack at a guy in a scrum, take the extra stride to make a hit, just ANYTHING!
GO SHARKS!
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So cut his legs off.
Put a little more into the rest of your hits on anybody, throw a little snow shower at their goalie, do some extra pushing after the whistle, call them sons of a motherless goat until they lose their cool- I don’t care. Fact is they didn’t respond on the ice or the scoreboard, and any momentum they had in that game was completely gone.
Wilson was very wise in keeping Orr off the ice, because without him to channel some anger at the Sharks simply looked lost the rest of the game. I would have liked to have seen them direct that anger at the entire opposing team. It was one of those situations I wouldn’t have minded seeing Clowe sitting on Jumbo’s lap again cuz we ran out of penalty box space.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t disagree more. On that power play, Toronto started skating faster and harder than they did all game. The were clogging up the neutral zone and beating us to pucks. Once we finally did get into our zone, we would get pushed and cross checked out of the crease. After a hit like that, how can you let the other team beat you to the puck? That was unacceptable to me. The lack of effort and intensity was the negative response that I saw on the ice. When on the other hand, the effort and intensity level was raised three or four notches by Toronto. So no, we don’t have to pummel them with our fists, but hell ya I would like to see a jump in our step and our guys to finish some checks on their players.
It's a compelling argument for sure
But the argument would be 200% moot if we had simply SCORED ON ANY OF THE 4 SUBSEQUENT POWER PLAYS!
If Ben Eager was on the roster for that game, the outcome is no different. You don’t just have to respond with fisticuffs. Ben Eager fixes nothing that was wrong with the team before the trade.
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The point is we didn’t score and didn’t respond. Most arguments can be made moot if a hypothetical did happened. Regardless, he doesn’t solve a problem, but I think he is a step in the right direction of resolving the lack of “team effort” that our players, coaches, announcers and even us at FTF have brought up. Is he the end all be all solution, no. Can he help, yes.
Cheers!
Yeah, I dont view this team as ‘soft’, they are just really, really disciplined. After all, you cant score much on the PK, but too much of anything is bad. Why does Clowe stop for the linesman? Where is the rest of the team that the linesman could have stopped instead? Im thinking Eager will bring back that spark that departed with Shelley, and will give others such as Clowe the go ahead to be that tough guy. Yin and Yang, disciplined and undisciplined… The Sharks need it and Mayers ain’t doing it
by sharkblood99 on Jan 18, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Bring up Cheechoo?
Why isn’t DW bringing Cheech up? He’s been doing amazing down in the minor leagues. Anyone else think that there’s a deeper issue we don’t know about?
You can’t bring up Cheechoo, as he is not a member of the organization. He’s on a PTA.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
After these moves, I’d say no way.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
What about his "request" clause?
My understanding was that if enough people say we should bring him up, he’s automatically issued a contract.
Pretty standard these days, far as I can tell.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha this is fantastic.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jan 18, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I request Nabby.
There. Done.
Is he up yet?
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
Take a chance. Bleed Teal.
GO SHARKS
I think Cheech still has more people seriously suggesting him as a call up.
But keep trying! I’d much rather see Nabber back in teal.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Me too for Nabby
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They will have to sign him to an NHL contract. And then he’d have to clear waivers. If the contract was similar to Wellwood’s, I guarantee some other team would take him off waivers.
Plus, I think they could pull this move after the trade deadline… which is probably more appealing.
This could work for both DW and Cheech. DW was hoping someone would’ve signed Cheech to give him a chance to play, somewhere. If DW signed Cheech to a low-salaried two-way contract, Cheech could be claimed from waivers and get some playing time for some team, or the Sharks would be able to bring him up or send him down. A win-win situation.
However, DW may not be willing to take that chance of no one claiming him, so Cheech stays put.
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Because Cheechoo is too slow to hang at the NHL level.
Because Cheechoo needs a top 6 roll to be best used, and he a) isn’t fast enough for a top 6 roll, and b) we don’t have room in our top 6 for him anyways.
Because he’s not a 3rd or 4th line grinder, and that’s what we added today.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Top six roll?
Put a hamburger patty on that roll, and that’s something Kyle Wellwood would be interested in.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Behold
The image the cemented the “Kyle Wellwood is fat” meme:
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Better with the hottie.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Behave.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Fat guys get no love.
But I’ll rein it in. Wellwood’s brought out the extra sarcasm in me, today.
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I think my picture highlights his gut more. And it was posted first, so there.
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The image that shook the earth...
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone else think she’s saying something along the lines of, “Nuh uh, you are not a hockey player!”
And he’s saying, “But look at my shorts! Team Canada!”
Anyway, he’s obviously only fat because he was hurt and couldn’t work out. Puts on weight very quickly!
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Because he was hurt and couldn’t work out.
Shoulda gone with the Aflac diet plan.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Ha ha… that’s the picture! He’s not even fat. He is sitting down in a chair. Was this posted on Perez Hilton or something?
He is a professional athlete
… with the body of a plumber.
I could tell he is a professional athlete by the girl in the picture. That much is obvious! Still though, I think fat is an overstatement in this case.
Have we heard anything about the condition he is in now? Or if that girl will be coming to San Jose with him? These are important questions that need answers!
Haha, yeah yeah. Sometimes the fingers get ahead of my brain’s spellchecker…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
I think he could be a 3rd line grinder… especially with a sub-$1M contract. Problem before was he was making $3M+
The only way the Sharks could use him is as a grinder, and for that price, some other team would scoop him up, if anything, just to spite DW.
The contract isn’t the issue…his style of play is.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Clearly FTF is divided in a few camps.
A. Love Cheech, think he could be a 3rd liner (like against Anaheim)
B. Think Cheech is done… D-U-N, done. and want him to be.
and/or
C. Think McGinn has potential as a 3rd line winger with scoring pop.
D. Think McGinn is wildly overrated and is just not very good.
I’m in camps A and D. To each his own.
People always dismiss Cheechoo’s 03-04? (don’t feel like looking up when it was) season when he finished around 40 pts playing with Thornton. Scott Thornton and Ricci. That was arguably our best 3rd/checking line this decade, maybe ever.
I’m not saying that we’ll get 56 goals out of him. But I’m not so sure that if he’s given 15 minutes a game (in a defined role) and a couple of power play shifts here and there, he wouldn’t be a productive option…
That was before he got hurt, though. He’s markedly slower now…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 19, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
For the same reason he doesn't bring up Owen Nolan or Nabokov
They’re not part of the Sharks.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
In a perfect world...
We can get a top 3-4 D man by shipping out Huskins and Wallin. Anyone to give Boyle a little rest on the minutes… doesn’t need to be flashy offensively, just gets the job done and doesn’t take stupid penalities (or put the puck in the opposite net). Then bring up Braun to be the 6th-7th D. Ta-da!!!!! In my perfect world, I have fixed all the Sharks problems. Stanley Cup bound! ;)
I still say signing those two to those idiotic contracts when both did not prove themselves is what is holding us down. sigh
Why exactly would ANYONE ship out a GOOD D man in exchange for Huskins or Wallin? To bid for the draft lottery?
Or to shed salary
Or because your last name is Sutter
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Ah. Setting up the chessboard. Sweet.
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At first I read "cheeseboard"
Would make sense as a way to welcome Wellwood to town. I’ll head over to Whole Foods and pick up some three-year-aged gouda.
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I saw the Wellwood signing in my Facebook feed
and thought that FTF was making jokes after the Eager signing.
Then realized I don’t follow FTF on Facebook and that I was reading the Sharks official feed.
I was fairly ambivalent about it until I read that we ganked him from St. Louis before they had a chance, and I am fully in support of real life trolling. Also, from what I’ve read it seems like he can provide decent third line depth for low cost and cover some of our injuries. I’m okay with this.
Still not sure about Eager, but I wasn’t a huge fan of the Mayers signing either and that seems to have turned out alright. We’ll have to see.
by Old Kentucky Shark on Jan 18, 2011 2:22 PM PST reply actions
Whole point of your post: Why don’t you follow us on Facebook?
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Facebook makes you sterile.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Explains a lot.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 18, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt that, considering all the baby pictures I see from my friends.
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Well it takes time
and depends on the level of usage, like all things that make you sterile (like lying… check your old south park)
Bottom line, I bet their won’t be any pictures of grand-babies…
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
The real reason Scotty got suspended.
Colin Campbell thought he was a real dentist!
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Sorry if this has already been posted somewhere:
@brodiebrazilCSN #sjsharks new player numbers: Eager #55, Wellwood #20, Mike Moore #52
And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
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OH HELL NO
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO!
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO!
Look, I’ve already dealt with the indignity of Rob Blake taking #4 while Kyle McLaren was still in the organization.
BUT IF KYLE COULDN’T-COME-TO-CAMP-AT-THE-RIGHT-WEIGHT WELLWOOD TAKES #20, I’M GONNA CUT SOMEONE!
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Well, we still have till Thursday
Let’s create a Facebook campaign in protest of him taking that number.
I’m only 25%-kidding.
"BEAT DAT BEAT!!!"
Yep, that was kinda my reaction…
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I think your looking at this the wrong way. Wellwood could fill in as a 3rd goalie and doesn’t even need the extra pads. It’ll look like nabby took off the shin pads in search of a goal
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by Evilducks on Jan 18, 2011 4:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh that #20 on Wellwood is not gonna go well with the Nabby fans. That’s sacrilegious.
"BEAT DAT BEAT!!!"
by DownRUpLYB on Jan 18, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, please. Grow up. 20 isn’t even a goalie number. And as good as Nabby was, they aren’t about to retire his number.
It's been less than a season since he left
And he was the backbone of the franchise for a decade.
For a scrub who probably isn’t going to be here next season to take it kinda rubs some of us the wrong way.
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True. He doesn’t come across as a short timer though. Interesting interview with him on WTC. Sounds like a guy who’s looking for some redemption, which can be a powerful thing.
Worked for Manny Malhotra
Although Manny always was a good player, just needed to prove he was worth the price.
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Wellwood has some skill too. I actually really like that grab, at that price, for the Sharks. Worth a shot to see if he can bring some scoring depth to the team.
As for him taking #20, eh. It was Nabby’s forever, but it had to go to someone at some point.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still growing up
And 20 is a goalie number!
And, frankly, in terms of the team retiring numbers… yeah they better retire his number.
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Huh
Frankly, I don’t think they should retire any numbers that aren’t for HOF-type players. Make a Circle of Honor or whatever for your Riccis and Nabbys and Nolans.
If Nabby had brought us to the promised land, then I probably would be OK with the team retiring #20. But it would be like LA retiring Kelly Hrudy’s number.
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Some would argue that Nabokov was a very large part of bringing this franchise from “fringe playoff contender” to “perennial stanley cup contender,” and that this would be important enough for his number to be retired somewhere down the line.
I tend to agree with you, that if he had won us a Cup, I’d think he’s more deserving, or if he ended up in the Hall of Fame (which he won’t). But everyone has different standards.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Nabby was the most important single player in making us respectable, followed by Nolan, and deserves our admiration and respect. But that really isn’t enough for me.
Retiring a number is for all time. In 10 or 20 years, he’ll be remembered, fondly I’m sure, but I don’t think anyone would consider it a sacrilege that some forward chose #20. To put it another way, if we all more or less were OK that Nabby would play for another team and not retire a Shark, I don’t see how his number should be up in the rafters.
I think it’s because Nabby just recently left that fans are upset.
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I’d disagree with “perennial Stanley Cup contenders” as he never even saw the SCF’s. “Perennial President’s Trophy Contenders” maybe.
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We were definately Cup contenders, whether we realized that potential or not…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, yeah, we were pretty lousy at contending for the Cup…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
I agree on the idea of a Circle of Honor type deal. We’ve got a lot of ex-players that deserve to be recognized, but it wouldn’t be realistic to retire their jerseys in several cases. Even if it was just a “Sharks Hall of History” or some goofy name like that, where information about past players could be put up and they could be recognized.
Of who we’ve had, Nabby is the closest we have to a retire-able number, but he’s not there yet. Especially if he might still play in the near future.
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#20 is Nabby's number!!!
Plain and simple as that! So disrespectful to the man that gladly played in teal for 10 years! This upsets me.
Ed Belfour
Vladislav Tretiak
There’s some good company with #20 and goalies
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by Will Bulldozer on Jan 18, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Moore up. Joslin is still up, too. How many D is that? I smell something…
Related, but not completely, hasn’t Joslin played the requisite number of games to have to pass through waivers? Or do the 25 have to be all in the same year?
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Not sure if this has been posted either, but...
Per WTC, Wellwood claims he’s no longer fat! Hooray!
I’m actually mildly excited to see what he brings.
Not sure why he thought picking #20 would make a good first impression though. “You ain’t no Nabby.”
Is it Thursday yet? All this hockey talk has my neck itching for some revenge on the Nucks.
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As much as I don’t really get the Eager grab, I’m still excited what the new Sharks will bring to the table on Thursday. Change isn’t always a good thing (although in this case, we have no idea if it’ll be good or bad), but it’s definitely interesting and exciting!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
We fear change
I prefer my currency in convenient bill form. More efficient for stuffing garters.
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I'm biased, I've never liked Eager
But hopefully he brings something positive with him. I guess there’s always a chance he’ll exhibit the Scotty Nichol Effect (massive FTF hate upon signing followed by idol-like worship). Stranger things have happened somewhere, at sometime….I’m sure of it.
I’m more excited slash interested to see how they respond after getting man-handled by the Nucks last time, especially with a bit of confidence from a pair of wins hopefully giving them a boost. The fact there will be some new blood on the ice is definitely a nice bonus and adds to the intrigue, but I wanna see the guys who got embarrassed by them last week make a statement on the ice. And no, I’m not talking about a dirty cheap shot from someone taking a run at their stars, I’m talking about a solid win resulting from a 60 minute effort, with maybe some fisticuffs and a few big open ice hits- please and thank you.
And Wellwood will have his own motivation to prove he’s still got it as well. Should be a good “first game as a shark” for him.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
From the article
He said he’s not going back to Vancouver — the last NHL team he played for — with any kind of a chip on his shoulder.
IMHO, he’d better have a chip on his shoulder.
If you mention doing yourself in, I will take you seriously!
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I'm going to hell for this...
He doesn’t have a chip on his shoulder because he already ate it.
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da-boom, crash!
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jeremy6411111 says:
January 18th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Sorry guys, I dislike Doug Wilson, etc etc, but I have to admit these are fantastic additions. Eager is the best fourth liner in the league, period. He adds more size to an already dominantly huge team. He adds more cycle ability to an already dominant cycle team. He can skate, too. He’s intimidating. If it keeps the Sharks from getting a blueliner (i doubt it will or DW wouldn’t have done it), then that’s a problem, but since it won’t, its a fantastic addition.
As for Wellwood, our problem every year is our bottom liners are gritty guys, not skill guys. Wellwood is a skill guy. He’s an excellent passer. He has quick hands. He is everything the Sharks lack, although admittedly a flawed version of what they lack because of his fitness, but it’s not like he’s going to be playing 25 minutes a night. Anyone wanting the Sharks to win should be celebrating. Two fantastic additions that will immediately improve the sharks.
If you don’t want to read, I don’t blame you. Let me just highlight the real gem in all of this.
Eager is the best fourth liner in the league, period.
No, you didn’t misread that.
Eager is the best fourth liner in the league, period.
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There was less bragging in that than I expected.
And I think I’d take Scott Nichol as a better 4th liner than Eager.
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So you're an expert?
Sorry, but you’re clearly not the most intelligent Sharks fan out there.
…sorry about that. I got a bit infected just reading him again…
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Stating the obvious as usual
It’s not like we, or really the whole league, didn’t already know that.
It’s the lead headline on NHL.com for christ’s sake.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
if there were paragraph breaks in his comment, it wasn’t written by Buttercrunch
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by SharksFanTillDeath on Jan 18, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
He clearly took his meds today
But jeremy6411111 is Buttercrunch.
If it makes you feel better, he posted the same exact comment in 2 seperate WTC postings.
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it doesn’t make me feel better
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by SharksFanTillDeath on Jan 18, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
He said sorry?
Clearly something’s wrong with him. Or he’s just happy to hang out with other people who seemingly hate the Sharks & hockey in general.
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LOL, love it, Elvis. Classic Buttercup.
Eager is the best fourth liner in the league, period.
Wouldn’t that make him a 3rd liner? ;-)
>>>>>WHOOOOOOSSHHH!!!!>>>>>>>>
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(yes, that was a joke)
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Kyle Wellwood and injuries
After reading the WTC interview with Wellwood, this blog entry by Justin Bourne came immediately to mind. It talks about what players really go through when injured:
After reading that, I’m not surprised that a player with a broken leg could put on a few pounds.
It's totally fair
Heck, when I sprained my ankle, I think I put on 5 pounds. My first day back on the field and back on the wall, it definitely felt like I had some extra weight to carry around.
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What Wellwood pretends didn’t happen is that he also did SFA the summer he didn’t have a broken leg. He was a lot like Drew Doughty in junior too (didn’t work out) except Doughnuts woke up before the draft and Wellwood had to be waived twice to realize he couldn’t be a fatty in the NHL.
That summer he didn’t have a broken leg? Him and his dad both said he spent the summer playing XBox and goofing off.
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Gunna be pretty freakin weird...
…to see a #20 on a SJ jersey skatin’ around the ice, and not in goal.
Dude, lemme getchur keys.
I'll just say it because, well, it's me...
…and noone has ever accused me of not speaking my mind.
That is total BS. DW may as well just drive down to Los Gatos, Ring Nabby’s doorbell, and kick him in the nuts. Oh, and steal his kid’s candy too.
- should have retired with Nabokov. He deserved that much.
But then again, I’m biased.
(But that still doesn’t make it right).
Respecfully (but with Anger)
-Noctro
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Number 20 should have retired with Nabby
(Thanks, SBN :P )
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20 may still be retired down the line. Can’t do it while the player still wants to play in the NHL, though…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I know. But still...
…his stall in the locker room hasn’t even cooled off with a season yet.
y’know?
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And you know it will happen this way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FzYJd_vYI
Obviously just swap Espo with Nabby and Bourque with Wellwood. Obviously it would be just as awesome as the original.
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so Wellwood is going to wear #2020?
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by SharksFanTillDeath on Jan 18, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, of course! It will be such an epic ceremony!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 18, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
I remember watching that. It was awesome what Borque did to honor Esposito.
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Maybe it’s not really 20, but 200. When written without the massive amount of stretching, it just looks like 20.
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Man it got quiet in here...
So I’ll fill the silence with the frustration of a GM scorned, aka Blues GM Doug Armstrong talking about having back to back players jacked coming through waivers.
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So then, Armstrong will sign Nabby,…
If you mention doing yourself in, I will take you seriously!
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Hmm....Hallak and Nabby in a tandem...
The Universe might not be able to handle it….
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Perfect.
"That's my dummy!" - Joe Thornton, Brian Duffy
So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth.
LET'S GO SHARKS!!!!
by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 5:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The implication was that Nabby would be jacked from Armstrong like the last two he signed.
If you mention doing yourself in, I will take you seriously!
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Frankly, I'm done speculating
We also said Niemi was going to suck. While many people would still agree (cough, ZI :P), I think he’s been much better than we expected. Maybe Wellwood has actually lost weight and is going to be scoring goals at a ridiculous pace. And Eager may get smarter…?
I just want to see this team in action with these new guys. It’s too long till Thursday…..
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Na, ZI and I don't think he sucks.
We’re just cardholding members of “The Knights who say ‘NI-EEEEMI!’”
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To put it simply..
I feel like we could’ve made better moves, but i trust DW and i’m excited to see how the new guys work out for us.
With #20 gone...
so much for thinking DW would package Seto with a goalie to trade for a D and then sign Nabby.
Coulda happened I tell ya!! :)
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"Hit more people."
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That’d be awesome, but i think Nabby would have to clear waivers and someone would definitely jack him from us like we jacked Wellwood from St. Louis.
Let's...trade...SERIOUS!
DW is just biding his time til somebody tries. Then…
NABB (Y) ED!
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 18, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a little confused why this rule exists..
… but much of the NHL doesn’t make sense to me.
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It’s actually touched on briefly in the article I posted above with the Blues GM voicing his frustration, here it is again.
Or here’s just the mention:
The origin of the rule goes back to Finnish defenseman Reijo Ruotsalainen, who frequently bounced between Europe and the NHL in the 1980s, famously joining the Edmonton Oilers just in time to win the Stanley Cup in 1987. As a result, all players who start a season overseas must now pass through waivers when joining a NHL team during the year.
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by CloweMyWord! on Jan 19, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
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