Hockey Prospectus 2012 a good tool for hockey heads
Recently, Plank and I were given a copy of Hockey Prospectus to peruse, abuse, and revuse. Review.
When I downloaded the book, I immediately flipped to the Sharks section. Initially, that's what I believed what would be useful to me, as a Sharks fan and someone who covers the team.
I was very surprised by the detail that the authors took for San Jose, spending time pouring over every stat possible for the team. Did you know that the Sharks have the worst playoff save percentage of any team (with a minimum of four series appearances) in recent NHL history? They do: through 13 playoff series, San Jose has posted a league worst .906 save percentage. Although Niemi wasn't great this past offseason, this stat from Hockey Prospectus quickly sheds some light on why Doug Wilson was willing to let Evgeni Nabokov walk and let Niemi take the reigns.
The book, aside from giving a team overview for each NHL squad, gives a player by player overview with projected games played and expected point output. These are calculated using a number of metrics pioneered by the authors, and a quick read through of the book's foreword will get you up to speed quickly. Before you know it, you'll be chatting with your mom about VUKOTA while she wonders where she went wrong.
The projections are more of a tool than a guarantee, and I found myself disagreeing with a good many of them. Andrew Desjardins is going to play more than 36 games in the NHL this year. Antti Niemi, in my opinion, won't see his save percentage dip from .920 to .909 with a better defense in front of him. Joe Pavelski, who is going to benefit from a full season next to Joe Thornton and Patrick Marleau, is unlikely to see his point totals drop from 66 to 63. And Ian White, who is still listed in the Sharks section (all players are listed on the teams they spent their last season with), is almost a lock to see a points increase as one of Detroit's main weapons on the power play.
VUKOTA though, as it's explained in the book, uses player comparisons for it's formulation, is not necessarily a projection but instead a historical correlation. It doesn't take Pavelski's new line mates into account, or Ian White's new team. What it does provide, though, is a good stepping stone for player analysis and individual value.
After spending a great deal of time in the Sharks section, I moved on to other teams I follow, or just enjoy to watch; I scrolled the Devils, Blue Jackets and Predators sections happily. Every article was well written, and the player snapshots were helpful.
Lastly, I referred to the book quite a bit during my fantasy hockey draft last night. Here's hoping that pays off.
All in all, I have to say that this book is a must for people who follow hockey, want to learn more about the advanced stats movement in the NHL, or who just enjoy solid writing. While I would have had trouble recommending the book if I solely used it to read about the Sharks and then put it down, it caught my attention and I'll be referring to it all season.
You can agree or disagree with the application of advanced stats in hockey, but even NHL general managers are hopping aboard the information train, it seems. While all the predictions may not be stone cold locks, that's why the game is played, and this book provided at least an alternative lens to see hockey through. It's a fun look, I promise.
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but stats r dum!
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Did you find yourself disagreeing with them due to it didn’t take into account the new roster – or would you still have disagreed if the roster remained the same?
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Line combos, roster changes, coaching schemes can all throw a wrench in VUKOTA. However, if you look at it player by player, ignoring what team they are on, or what line they play on, it makes sense.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Oct 6, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
VUKOTA is going to be off on individual players sometimes due to the reasons Matt explained (Flames Nation had some great review articles this summer on Vukota predictions/actualities), but it will by and large balance out for an entire team throughout the course of a season.
In other words, there’s going to be missteps on an individual level (and some it gets right of course), but it’s an extremely effective tool when you look at what VUKOTA predicted for an entire team vs. what that team actually did.
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How does VUKOTA deal with step-up or step-down years? I mean, Corey Perry won the Richard last year with 50 goals, after only scoring more than 30 goals once (32 the year before last). He nearly doubled his goal scoring over the year before.
I definitely see the value in statistical models, but the the input data tends to color everything. Who’s the comparable player to Joe Thornton? Joe Juneau? Gretzky? Adam Oates? Craig Janney? Which ones you choose will probably affect your prediction of Jumbo’s point totals, and none of those guys has Jumbo’s size.
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I'm sorry, but no, Nabokov was only let go because he was expensive, not worse than Niemi.
To be fair, I’m not sure your even saying Niemi is better than Nabby. Nabokov’s save percentage was more of the defense in front of him, Niemi atrocious save percentage was more of him. I didn’t like the Niemi signing especially in hindsight because I think we could have gotten Nabby cheap last summer when he realized no team needed him. And no I will never let this go.
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Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
So to summarize, when Nabby is bad it’s not his fault and when Niemi is bad it’s entirely his fault.
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That’s about right.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Oct 6, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
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Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
by Diamondback15 on Oct 6, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
He stunk in the playoffs
and on top of that he was a stuck up asshole. How people miss Nabokov is beyond me. I like Niemi, I just don’t think he’s completely worth what the team is paying em. From what I’ve seen I’d say he’s maybe worth 3 mil a year, maybe. We’ll see this year
How was he a stuck up asshole?!
He did not suck for us in the playoffs I’ve watched the Detroit series all the way through, and highlights countless times over, and he was the reason we won those games 3-2 or 4-3 instead of losing them 4-3 or 5-4. Now obviously its just one series, but its a good example of how much he helped the team. Not to mention that he didn’t have a habit of getting pulled in the playoffs, unlike someone else.
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Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
by Diamondback15 on Oct 6, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Niemi played pretty decent against Detroit too.
I think the incident that raphelo is referring to is when Nabokov called out Vlasic.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Oct 6, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Hockey Prospectus is super interesting...
Still haven’t gotten through the whole thing, but I have been using it for fantasy hockey drafting…loads of information in there.
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Ian White no longer plays for the Sharks organization!
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