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2011-2012 San Jose Sharks Preview: Brad Winchester, Andrew Desjardins, and Andrew Murray (now with Jamie McGinn!)

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With the 2011-2012 season set to begin on October 8th, Fear The Fin will be sippin'libations with Nostradamus and previewing the Sharks roster in the weeks leading up to opening night. Today we continue with what is expected to be the Sharks fourth line: Brad Winchester, Andrew Desjardins, and Andrew Murray. We also discuss Jamie McGinn, who looks bound for the healthy scratch role.

Every installment in the series can be found here. Enjoy.

Brad Winchester

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Expected Role:Physical Forechecker, Enforcer

If there's one weakness on this San Jose Sharks team, it's bottom six wing strength. Of all problems, that's a good one to have, because it's easier to fix than say, being one elite defenseman short. Phew.

However, the Sharks entered camp with a select few players with experience to fill the wings on the lower lines. Frazer McLaren was hurt, Brandon Mashinter was too raw and Benn Ferriero was too small. That's why Brad Winchester got a call from Doug Wilson on the eve of Sharks camp.

Winchester has played for a few teams, most recently the Anaheim Ducks and the St. Louis Blues, where he enjoyed some mild success. However, he went unsigned through the offseason and took a tryout with San Jose to show that he was deserving of an NHL spot.

Winchester made an early impression on Sharks coaching and management, and eventually earned himself a one year deal worth $725,000. That's a cheap price to pay for a player who gives you grit, strength and a smidge of scoring pop. He did score 10 goals last year. Problem is, you're also getting a player who was -18 last year and who had one of the worst CORSI numbers on his team (4th worst).

Moral of the story was that Winchester was brought in to trot out against teams who have a more physical focus. He'll fight for you, he'll level a big hit, and he'll fill in on the lower lines if he has to. Against more skilled teams, look for Jamie McGinn to get a look.

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Andrew Desjardins

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Expected Role: Fourth Line Center, Gritty Penalty Kill Specialist

One of the most cliched and over used phrases around is "he came out of nowhere." Still, both GM Doug Wilson and coach Todd McLellan have used the phrase to describe the arrival of Andrew Desjardins. Instead of thinking of these two men as lazy with their verbiage, we'll assume he literally did "come out of nowhere". Maybe Worcester Sharks PR man Eric Lindquist was microwaving a chimichanga two years ago, when the device suddenly exploded, creating Desjardins from spare energy. Crazy development path. 

Over the last two years, he has made a bit of a name for himself as the main piece of Worcester's "Crazed Rats" line. The line, which consisted of Desjardins, Dan DaSilva and John McCarthy, wrecked their way through the AHL regular season and playoffs two seasons ago. The line was noted for their grit and penchant for scoring timely goals.

While we don't expect a whole lot of goal scoring from Desjardins, that signature grit will have to carry over for him to be an effective NHL player. Effectively, he's replacing Scott Nichol, who was depended upon to provide energy on the fourth line and play a heavy load of shorthanded minutes.

We're all expecting that Desjardins will come into the role swimmingly, but there's a real sample size issue with him. Yes, he looked comfortable last year against Vancouver in three playoff games. Problem is, he's only played seventeen additional games in his career, and although he seemed capable of handling that load, the effects of an 82 game season on Desjardins are left to be seen.

Desjardins is a lock to see his penalty killing minutes jump from the minimal 0.26 / 60 to a figure well over 1.00 / 60. The Sharks early success may depend on how well he handles that jump.

Andrew Murray

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Expected Role: Speedy Fourth Line Winger, Penalty Killer

If the Michael Handzus signing was under the radar, then the Andrew Murray signing was a pin drop six solar systems away. Literally no one knew that he was signed until we tipped of David Pollak and he confirmed the news. (What, you thought we were going to let that die? Breaking news baby.)

Andrew Murray, (who at 6'2", 216 is large but won't be mistaken for Douglas Murray any time soon), has been injury plagued through most of his NHL career. He's played seasons of 39, 67, 46 and 29 NHL games over the last four seasons with Columbus, but showed flashes of being a skilled penalty killer in his limited time with the club.

He's going to be one of the Sharks four main penalty killers, and the speed that impressed coaches in camp will be an asset for the team. He's scored points, goals here and there, and should look for that to continue on a more offensively gifted roster.

If he stays healthy that is.

Jamie McGinn

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Expected Role: Healthy Scratch, Potential Skill Forward, Fleeting Prospect

The best way to describe Jamie McGinn is that he's an enigma. In fact, he's a Jamie McGinma; a unique blend of potential that teases and "oh my good lord what is going on with this guy"-ness that baffles.

He's just 23, but even at that young age, Sharks fans have already come to think of McGinn as a disappointment. While he hasn't blown the doors off at the NHL level, it's easy to forget that he has been a very high scoring AHL player who was taken in the second round and still possesses a good deal of offensive potential. We've clammored for him to get the opportunity we think he deserves.

Still, McGinn only has has himself to blame at this point, he was basically handed a third line role and flat out lost that role to rookie Tommy Wingels. McGinn failed to impress coaches in camp and found himself out of a starting job, being bumped from the fourth line by Winchester.

While we want to see more from McGinn, we still cut him a little slack. He's been pigeon-holed into a role on the lower lines that doesn't really fit his skill set. In addition, it sure seems like he's Todd McLellan's new favorite player to plant in the dog house. With Setoguchi gone, McLellan had to find someone. For now, it looks like that someone is McGinn. It will be an uphill climb from here on out.

McGinn needs to go through waivers, and will likely not be sent to the AHL for fear of another team taking what could still be a very effective NHL player. Instead, McGinn will be used as a healthy scratch and a replacement when Winchester's fists aren't necessary. When he gets his shot, either through that scenario or injury to another forward, he's going to have to capitalize. He's quickly running out of chances and could become a trade candidate come mid-season.

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So McGinn is going to become our new Too Many Men on the Ice / Delay of Game sacrificial penalty sitter?

by WhatsAMataHari on Oct 7, 2011 3:11 AM PDT reply actions  

lol

I always wondered why Setoguchi was ALWAYS the one who sat for those penalties.

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by PNK on Oct 7, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Theoretically, it was a good move. A goal scorer with decent speed who doesn’t PK sits in the box and when he comes out he might be sneaking behind the defense for a solo breakaway.

But I can’t remember when that ever actually happened with Seto.

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by Auth0r on Oct 7, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Usually every team will have a guy like that

Some teams use a 4th line scrub, but we were lucky to have an actual threat.

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by ElvisVF101 on Oct 7, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Caps usually use Ovechkin for just that reason...

2 minutes, and then the best player in the world is coming onto the ice…not a terrible idea.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Oct 7, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

But Crosby’s not on the Caps…

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by Bockerz on Oct 7, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good insight

I like the article Mr. Taylor, good insight on the boys. I will need to be careful watching the Sharks game tomorrow as I attempt to combine McGinn & Enigma, so far saying it out loud isn’t coming out right. Nice photo of Winchester beheading the unknown Canuck net minder.

derp.

by theneverman on Oct 7, 2011 8:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Enigma

1) an obscure speech or writing
2) something hard to understand or explain
3) an inscrutable or mysterious person

Yep, gotta be #3.

by douchebags on Oct 7, 2011 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I’d say a combo. Two and three.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Oct 7, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Poor Jamie...

The poor guy just can’t catch a break. I really thought that this would be his year to be a perm 3rd liner but then Wingles had to come and look all awesome in camp. A part of me would love for him to have the chance to play all season in the line up, even if it’s with another team. But then again, I’m still holding out hope McLellan will give Jamie the chance he deserves.

Maybe Jamie kicked McLellan’s cat or something?

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by winthecupsj on Oct 7, 2011 8:47 AM PDT reply actions  

I still think Jamie is the better of the two and we’ll see if he motivates enough to bump Tommy down once Havlat returns.

derp.

by theneverman on Oct 7, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

McGinn's

the perfect healthy scratch. I really like how things turned out. It’s up to him to move on up and I hope he does. But either way it’s Winchester or McGinn and that’s good. Even though Winch is bigger and more physical player on the puck I see McGinn being the better enforcer.

by raphelo on Oct 7, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Maybe Worcester Sharks PR man Eric Lindquist was microwaving a chimichanga two years ago"

HAHA, your killin me with this line ^ @Matthew_Taylor. LMFAO, Thanks bro!!!

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by will_hunter23 on Oct 7, 2011 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

I love how our fourth line guys...

Would be paraded as second-line starters on a team like Toronto. San Jose is fucking STACKED.

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by Evil Stanchion on Oct 7, 2011 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

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by will_hunter23 on Oct 7, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about that… maybe line three.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Oct 7, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

So Mclellan

only carries 1 healthy scratch on offense? Still trying to figure that out. Vandameer and McGinn can come into the game whenever or does someone have to get injured or into a fight? Thought you could suit up to 20 something

by raphelo on Oct 7, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

You can only suit up 20 players for a game, usually that means 12 forwars, 6 defensemen and 2 goalies. The healthy scratch players do not dress, they sit in the press box and cannot enter the game once the lineup is announced.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Oct 7, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

So then

there’s usually only 2 healthy scratches which in this case would be McGinn and Vandameer. They can’t even play if someone gets injured during the game. Just there to take over for the next game in case.

by raphelo on Oct 7, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh McGinn. I understand his situation, his skillset never matched the enforcer role the 4th has been forever, and late additions last year (Eager/Wellwood) edged him out of the 3rd. The problem is he’s been given opportunity to play on those higher lines time and time again, but each time he’s performed poorly and thus got bumped down and down and down and then out.

It just makes me feel bad for him even though it is his own fault really (one way or another). I hope for his sake he is traded just so he can get some game time on a poor team, though it is unlikely we’d get any “equal” return on it.

Additionally, I think the change of environment and pressure (in addition to the Sharks staff hopefully fixing some poor development) will bring Sheppard’s game back up and when he’s healthy there goes McGinn’s spot. Even with the “underperformance” on the Wild, Shep still put up 20 point seasons before injury and probably other circumstances for last season.

by VVhirlwind on Oct 7, 2011 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Someone

Photoshop a lightsaber into Winchester’s hands.

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by dfh15 on Oct 7, 2011 9:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Already did!

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by idunno723 on Oct 8, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

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