Sharks have a goalie conundrum on the horizon
Today's article starts with a lesson for snarky, know it all fans which Plank and I learned first hand. The juicy trade talk is going to come, just consider this short story a bit of rosterbation foreplay.
Last year, Plank and I earned press credentials. It was, and has been since, a great experience and opportunity for us and a place to learn and discuss hockey with people who truly know the game.
During an early season match with against the Columbus Blue Jackets, Cam Gore (a great writer now with HockeyBuzz.com), asked Plank and I what we thought of the early developments in goal. The snarky, know it all hockey writers that we are, we quickly took jab after jab at the then-struggling Niemi. As many of you remember, Niemi had just been signed by Doug Wilson a few weeks earlier and was putting up some pitiful showings in his first few games. Antero Niittymaki, though, had been stellar in limited time, yet it seemed like he could do nothing to get more starts.
"I don't why they keep going to Niemi," I said, in a know-it-all sort of way, "Niittymaki is obviously the better option."
Just then, a league scout, who was sitting next to Cam, Plank and I, chimed in. "Niemi is a great goalie," he said, coming to Niemi's defense. "He hasn't looked good so far, but the guy is a notorious slow starter. Let him get a few weeks under his belt, and you'll see what I mean."
Of course, out of respect and fear, we didn't start a full on argument with the man; after all, we had just been granted access to this hockey nirvana and didn't want to ruffle any feathers. Still, Plank and I quickly turned to our computers and rustled up some stats. We discussed how smart we were over the hot dog buffet.
It didn't matter what stats we turned up that night, because gosh dangit, that scout was right. Niemi went on to dominate the second half of the season, as the professional scout said he would.
Now, he could have just cashed in on a gut feeling, but it doesn't matter. That scout was right. And it gives us extra caution when discussing this present goalie conundrum that's at the hands of the Sharks management.
Niemi has definitely started slow, to be sure. Still, let's take some solace in the fact that he really turned on in the second half last year and give him an extra break since he didn't get any action until a few regular season games had passed.
Still, give extra credit to Thomas Greiss, who has been stellar in both starts and relief appearances. His numbers are sparkling, and that's put the Sharks in a bit of a quandary. What do you do when Niittymaki comes back?
According to a few sources, including Brodie Brazil and Kevin Kurz of CSN, Niittymaki may be getting close to a return. They reported that Niittymaki was in pads for the first time in months and was running through drills in practice. Barring a setback, Niittymaki should be able to return to game action within the next few weeks.
What does general manager slash mighty wizard Doug Wilson do then? Although the easy answer would be to send Greiss to the minors, it won't be that simple. Greiss, who's on a very affordable contract (for two years, mind you) and has great stats to boot, needs to pass through waivers in order to be sent to the AHL (or anywhere not the NHL, for that matter). With a good number of teams looking for goaltending help at the moment (like Columbus, Toronto and Winnipeg), and others looking for a long term franchise solution (like New Jersey), Greiss would be snapped up quicker than a press box hot dog when Plank is around. At 25 years old, Greiss has shown that he's a capable NHL starter when called upon. I can guarantee you that other teams have noticed this, and that he won't pass through waivers like he did last year.
Niemi, to the chagrin of some fans, is staying no matter what. The scenarios that have to be considered are four-fold, as a result. Trade or waive Greiss, and lose him for nothing in the latter of the two situations, or trade or waive Niittymaki.
To me, the only options here are to trade Greiss or Niittymaki, or waive Niittymaki. Greiss is too good an asset to lose without getting a return. Niittymaki, on the other hand, has been proven to be an injury risk in his Sharks' career. At $2MM, he's not cheap either, and the Sharks wouldn't be as crushed losing him for nothing, as it results in significant cap savings.
Niittymaki won't grab as much as Greiss would on the open market, probably a lower draft pick due to the injury history and declining statistical performance. However, that cash savings could be attractive and enough to let him go for nearly nothing. A Greiss trade, while it wouldn't result in any cash back, could net a prospect, reasonable pick or a decent role player.
That's the situation, and something has to give, because I doubt San Jose carries three goalies for an extended period of time. As always though, it's a waiting game until something actually happens.
I won't pretend to know what that is, there may be a scout listening.
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I don’t think he’s expected back for another 4 or 5 weeks, however, if he goes to Worcester on a conditioning stint and proves that he’s A) healthy and B) still a capable goalie, I would imagine there would be a team willing to give up a late round draft pick or the always popular ‘future considerations’ for him.
I really don’t think they’ll want to trade Greiss seeing as he’s signed through next season and the Sharks don’t really have a goalie in the system who’ll be ready for NHL time next year. I also don’t think Greiss would fetch a whole lot in a trade either, he’s still only played a total 24 NHL games and hasn’t proven that he can be a #1 yet, even with his stellar start to the season. I’m sure there’s a team that would probably be willing to give him that opportunity though, just not sure how much that team would give up.
It’s too bad Niitty isn’t healthy now ’cus I do think Toronto or Columbus would probably take him.
As much as I like Nitty...
I think you need to look at this from the “The only thing important is winning the cup” perspective. On that basis, you keep Greiss because of his performance, drive and durability. Cap space isn’t an issue this year and Nitty is just too injury prone. You don’t want to be where you were last year, calling up minor leaguers to back up during important end-of-season or playoff games.
Long term, you have a Stalock who will hopefully recover fully. The combo of Niemi, Greiss and Stalock in that order is very good. They are all young, and they are all talented.
I think you waive Nitty or trade him for a bag of pucks.
Nitty has NEVER been good or healthy...
Trade bait ftw. Keep Griess and get rid of the bum.
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by Sharkz_N_Phinz on Nov 11, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
How soon we forget that little thing called "The LA Series" during the playoffs.
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by Noctro on Nov 11, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Indeed.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 11, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
He was good then, yes. Saved the season.
But I don’t understand why people harp on Niemi and then say they want Nitty as our goalie. That makes zero sense to me. Niemi seems to be the better goalie, and Nitty has had flashes of decent play. If anything, the arguments that go against Niemi apply even more so to Nitty.
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It’s very easy to focus on the good when you like a certain player and on the bad when you don’t. For whatever reason, goalies seem to bring this out the most in fans.
by milanahalek on Nov 11, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely. Nemo and Nitty both have their weaknesses, but from what I’ve seen there’s really no reason to keep Nitty anymore. He’s obviously the backup, and I’d rather just keep Greiss.
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Not really a like/dislike thing for me.
I just feel compelled to point out that everyone is focussing on Nitty’s injuries, as opposed to teh times when he was galled on to play big—-and delivered.
Just my $0.02.
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When he’s healthy, Niitty is a good goalie & and very good back up. He showed it at the beginning of last season as well as having to step in during the playoffs (as you said). But, he really doesn’t seem to be able to stay healthy.
Maybe I'm missing something...
…but the only other injury I see on his record was in 06-07 when he suffered a torn labrum and played through it all season.
Wow. I didn’t even know that until today, and that makes some of those playoffs injuries seem like scratches.
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Let me first say, I like Niittymaki a lot. I think he’s really freakin good. Just look at his numbers in playoff games and international games, they’re silly good. Niitty is a guy who plays out of his mind when it really counts, which is exactly what you want in the playoffs. But I don’t think the team wants to carry 3 goaltenders so we gotta make a decision.
Niitty’s had multiple hip surgeries and groin issues so can we really rely on him to be our starter and workhorse? Personally I don’t think so, not with the injury concerns he has. So if you gotta choose between Niitty and Niemi i think you have to pick Niemi.
So then you gotta choose between Greiss and Niitty. Greiss has a much more affordable contract, he’s younger, he has no injury concerns, he’s been playing great, and we still haven’t truly seen what Greiss is capable of so trading him now wouldn’t be very smart. Greiss could very well be better than Niitty (and Niemi) so i think we have to go with Greiss.
I think if we can get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Niitty we should take it and use the extra cap space to bring in a guy like Jochen Hecht to play on our 3rd line and PK.
I'll have to be honest...
I’ve never been a fan of Nitty. Always been a fan of Meth Squirrel. Throw in Stalock coming up and Niemi and I don’t see a spot for Nitty anymore. He came in at a time we were in desperate need of a goalie, but I personally don’t see the need for him anymore.
To me it’s not a tough decision.
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Excellent write up
I think we try and get a pick for Nitty and wish him well. Niemi will improve and Greiss is too good a backup to let go of.
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Niemi, to the chagrin of some fans, is staying no matter what.
Although, not only me. I do wonder if Niemi is a slow closer as well as a slow starter, though…since his playoff stats the last two years have been just this side of abysmal. Wins or not, a sv% hovering around or below .900 is really bad. So does he have a slow start, a “hot” middle, and then get tired? Or maybe his 2 month stretch last season that got us back into the playoffs was an anomaly? Dunno. Still don’t think he is the answer…but he can feel free to win us multiple Stanley Cups to prove me wrong…
Back to the question at hand…Niittymaki has to be the odd man out. And since I doubt we could get anything for him, he has to be waived, right? I mean, what would waiving him cost us? His whole cap hit the rest of the year? I could deal with that…and we have the cap space to eat it. I feel bad, since I kind of like Niitty, and feel like he’s been a good sport about everything…but he’s injured a lot, and won’t have played for quite a while when he is ready. Probably best for him and for us to let him try and catch on with another team.
If the Sharks bail on Greiss, I might have to stab someone. Just sayin…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 11, 2011 10:30 AM PST reply actions
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by Noctro on Nov 11, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 11, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
If we waive Nitty and he gets claimed he costs us nothing. If he doesn’t get claimed we assign him to Worcester then we pay his salary but it doesn’t effect our cap. If we then recall him and he gets claimed on re-entry we pay half his salary and it does count against the cap.
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by Evilducks on Nov 11, 2011 3:05 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Makes sense...ty!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 11, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
The Sharks aren’t bailing on Griess unless they specifically had a trade in mind for him after Nitty gets healthy. They wouldn’t have signed him to 2 years otherwise. The 2 year term tells me that Griess is their aimed for backup goalie to then be followed up with Stalock.
Nitty was only signed because he was the best available at the time and so the tandem fight was the projection. Then Niemi became available and they pounced, but we were still stuck with Nitty for 2 years.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Nov 11, 2011 10:51 AM PST reply actions
Matthew_Taylor, How about when this situation becomes more real and the time does come, you and Plank discuss it over a podcast? I love those. They inspire me to clean my place.
by ResidentShark on Nov 11, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
It's obvious to me.
Trade Niitty, keep Greiss. The term of Niemi’s contract still bothers me, greatly, since we have Greiss, Sateri and Stalock as reasonable candidates to take the starting job in the next couple of years. Niemi’s going to be trade bait very shortly if he can’t find permanent consistency.
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by Evil Stanchion on Nov 11, 2011 11:15 AM PST reply actions
I’ve never thought Sateri was capable of making it to even a backup role with the Sharks given that he hda to work through Griess, Stalock, and Sexsmith, and that was before JP Anderson was signed as well (who I think is better than Sexsmith).
Griess has been good in his starts but you don’t know if he has the consistency you want either, so it is very very very very unlikely that Niemi would become trade bait without a proven starter. Don’t forget that Nitty started last year very well, and while I’m not saying Griess will decline like he did, just saying no one is looking to Nitty to become this team’s starter of the 3 goalies we have.
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by ChangoT on Nov 11, 2011 11:24 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, obviously. What a dick.
Oh wait. That’s not his track record at all. He’s repeatedly put in a good word for ex-Sharks with other teams (such as Malhotra, Goc, Grier, and Nichol) and he’s worked hard to find guys like Jay Leach and Derek Joslin homes in the NHL where they could play and produce rather than be stuck in the AHL with no real prospects of returning to the NHL club. He’s given others like Cheechoo, JR, Friesen, and Claude Lemieux tryouts to try and help them regain their careers. The only player I can recall being “screwed” by DW in recent memory is Thomas Greiss, who seems to have gotten over it given the fact he re-signed with the club afterwards. Wilson has a good reputation throughout the league as both a trade partner and a guy who’ll take care of his players’ best interests.
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by Auth0r on Nov 11, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
As much as I agree with you in general
Seto comes to mind. Maybe he got the call that day and decided to pull the trigger, who knows, but it’s still a little bit harsh to trade someone the day after you’ve signed them (for a hometown discount, no less) – even if it is totally in his right to do so.
I agree that it’s harsh, but I’d say the difference is premeditation. DW has said that the Burns deal happened very suddenly and moved forward quickly. If that’s the case then he didn’t sit there and say “How can I screw with Seto?” or “Haha, I tricked that kid, now I can trade him with extra leverage!” He negotiated with Seto in good faith and then something on the order of the Boyle and Thornton trades (except we almost definitely gave a more equal deal) came up.
And I suspect there was an element of “Seto as a key player on the Wild might be better for Seto than Seto as the 7th or 8th option in San Jose.” It sucks for Seto in the short term, but if being one of the go-to guys on the Wild gets him to the next tier, it’ll be for the best for everyone.
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He and the Sharks allowed Seto to continue using their practice facility post-Burns trade.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 12, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Matthew_Taylor, How about when this situation becomes more real and the time does come, you and Plank discuss it over a podcast? I love those. They inspire me to clean my place.
Yeah seriously
when will you guys do podcasts again?
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by PNK on Nov 11, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Niemi
ought to be on a short leash, even though he obviously isn’t. His contract terms still irk me, and he is as much a slow finisher as he is a slow starter.
I’m not saying this is the case, but he’s had the luxury of being on some of the best teams in the league with the cup-winning Hawks and 2-time-Western Conference finalists Sharks over the past few years, which leaves me to wonder whether he had the benefactor of playing for top notch teams and is just an above average goaltender.
Sure he’s a talented goalie, but is he $3.8 Million worth? You got Greiss at super cheap with great reward, with Stalock and Sateri proving worthy of a chance in the near future, and Nitty proving he’s playoff worthy in the LA series.
Why shouldn’t Niemi be on trade bait, at the very least?
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If Greiss continues to perform well…he won’t be cheap for much longer. $3.8M for a starting NHL goalie with Niemi’s win % is pretty good, when you compare his salary to other starting NHL goalies.
Niemi’s 3.8M is actually relatively low, looking across the league.
by BillytheSid on Nov 11, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Looking at capgeek
Niemi’s 3.8M cap hit is only 15th highest among NHL goalies (if you include Pekka Rinne’s new deal). And looking at the list of goalies who make LESS than Niemi, it’s hard to find any who you can say are better goalies than Niemi. Only one that stands out is Jonathan Quick, but I guarantee you he’ll get a new contract bigger than Niemi’s.
by BillytheSid on Nov 11, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Correct. The only exceptional goalies that are making under 3 mil are those on like entry level or 2nd contract level deals when they weren’t the defined starters etc (with a couple exceptions like Vokoun’s situation, etc).
3.8 may seem like a lot, but if he doesn’t regress then he’s still worth it compared to what you’d pay for someone “proven” consistent. Don’t forget that his numbers are also effected by how the team in front of him plays as well. It isn’t like a forward where their stats are entirely dependent on themselves. I mean hell, look at Hiller, he’s a really solid goalie playing pretty well, but his numbers are worse than Niemi’s atm.
Additionally, other than those 2 total softies in the Rangers game I think it was, there havn’t been many cases of flat out terrible performance. The horrible PK has hurt his numbers as well and while you can say the goalie needs to be your best PKer, if you go back and look at most of the PK goals then you’ll see it isn’t all on Niemi there.
Hiller hasn’t been playing well as of late. The entire Ducks team hasn’t, actually.
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Yes, but does this small stint of him being unsupported by his team as well as some sloppy personal play immediately negate the innate skill he has? Nope, and its the same type of deal with Niemi. Just my opinion I guess, technically he could have been a fluke last season, but eh, gotta stay positive.
I’m not doubting Hiller’s skill. But you are comparing one goalie who’s started of slowly to another goalie who’s started off slowly. I wasn’t disagreeing with you actually haha
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Niemi won’t be trade bait because the Sharks are trying to win a Stanley Cup now…it would be pretty stupid of them to move their starting goalie who has proven he’s a #1 goaltender.
I don’t think they want to pin their Cup hopes on a guy who’s played 24 career NHL games and a guy who can’t seem to stay healthy for longer than a month.
by milanahalek on Nov 11, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Its not really Nitty’s health that is the problem its his own skill. Niemi proved last year that despite a slow start he warmed up and played amazing. They want the cup, and you don’t do that by falling back on a bonafide career backup and a young upcoming guy with as said 24 career games played, regardless of how well those few games were.
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I think
it’s better to start from the bottom and work up on this one. With the team and space they have this year, why move the #1 goalie for an injury question mark or an inexperienced goaltender? If Greiss continues to play well it’s gives the Sharks a whole nother year to work something out with him. Plus another year for Stalock and Sateri to get back and develop. Greiss’s stock is also (so far) rising while Nitty seems to be just taking up space. 2 mil in space could also help the team acquire better players for the cup run instead of just seeing it sit through the playoffs. I don’t want the Sharks to trade Niemi for someone who could turn out to be more expensive or just a flop. The Sharks have to many good developing goalies to risk that. Maybe DW has just turned a lot of us (me included) into penny pinchers when it comes to all his awesome contract signings? Cause Niemi at 3.8 is a steal compared to say Luongo. And a lot of us (including me) still want him for less.
Why Shouldn't Niemi Be Trade Bait?
Because I’m not nearly that lucky. Neither is Thomas Greiss…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 11, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
When Griess resigned for 2 years, that was the final nail in Nitty’s coffin. 1 year and I could see it simply as a measure because of Nitty’s injury preventing him from starting the year, but at 2 years it highlights the situation of that Nitty makes too much to sit on backup, and Griess plays more than well enough for that as well as possibly even capable of stealing a starter role, something that Nitty isn’t capable of. So 95% sure that Nitty is gone by trade deadline and more likely before then either waived or dumped.
I predict that when Nitty gets back he gets maybe 2-3 starts to show his stuff before a deal with Columbus is done for a 4th round pick.
It’ll be sad to see the TwinFinn’s separate, I’m guessing that’s the way this cookie is going to crumble.
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actually
I may have to take that back. I wouldn’t put it beyond DW to sign Greiss to a bargain contract, and then trade him for another chess piece he feels is needed. Hot goalie + bargain contract = deal maker
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by Noctro on Nov 12, 2011 7:32 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
So while I was looking up the prospect reports to confirm my thoughts on Sateri, I noticed that Hamilton has 11 goals and 16 assists (27 points) in 18 games. Hot damn, I wonder how many of the Sharks scouts that watch him think he’ll be NHL ready for next year.
Sateri
As far as pure skill and athleticism go, Sateri has the most upside of all of the goalies in the Sharks org. From what I’ve seen and read, he has the potential to be a very good #1 goalie.
As far as Hamilton, I think he’ll need time in the AHL against bigger, stronger, better players and show that his game can translate to pro hockey. The Sharks also try not to rush their prospects.
That was not a call from me to bring him up, merely an observation that he’s smashing faces and wondering what the scouts are thinking of his game.
No matter what the scouts say he’ll get a short AHL stint, because there are no drastic holes to fill, but if he plays well he’ll get called up. Theres a difference between “NHL ready but easing into it” and “Opening night”, etc. Pavelski, Couture, Mitchell, all played AHL first, but they didn’t stay there long.
And my response was actually looking towards next season, not this one. He’ll spend this year with the Ice Dogs and if, by chance, their season ends before Worcester’s, he’ll go to the AHL for their end of the season / playoff run.
Pavelski & Couture were the best players on the ice night in and night in Worcester so yes, if Hamilton can do that he’ll get a call up. I’ve talked to a couple of scouts (not Sharks scouts) about his game, he may take a bit longer to get that point of dominating the AHL, but he should become a regular NHLer.
Sounds like we're mostly on the same page..
…mostly, Niemi-Greiss-Stalock in. Nitty out for whatever we can get if not for the savings alone.
However, I do think we are all forgetting just how young Niemi actually is. I think he is still developing into his own as a starting NHL goalie and his best years are to come (he will get better).
His rookie campaign could not have ended any better…. How many cup-winning net minders (in their prime) have we had?
Nitty is the obvious trade bait.
If we got a stellar offer for Greiss, I’d say go for it, but otherwise I think that it’s not a bad move giving up Nitty for a pick, some cap room, and another slot to add a contract to if need be.
I’m not a huge fan of Niemi’s slow starts, but I’m not sure there’s a way around it for the foreseeable future. I’m fairly certain, though, that as long as Niemi has slow starts at least a segment of the fanbase will have significant angst about it and people will want a change.
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…but Nitty isn’t a cap hit until he’s of LTIR, no?
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by Matthew_Taylor on Nov 11, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
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Nemo's Slow Starts
- 09-10: Starts as Chicago’s backup, but becomes the starter after Cristobal Huet practically gives the job away.
- 10-11: Begins the season here in a timeshare, but based on Nitty’s stronger play at the outset, Niemi’s the 1B. Not until Nitty’s play begins to drop and subsequent injury does Niemi really become entrenched as the starter.
- 11-12: Starts the season recovering from surgery to remove a cyst. No preseason games to really reacclimate, gets the nod in the Sharks 4th game.
So while he hasn’t really been very strong to start out seasons, he also hasn’t had a conventional beginning to his 3 seasons in the NHL either, at least when it comes to being the established starting goaltender – Rookie Backup, 1B, Injured. So maybe we won’t see how he really starts the season until next year.
He’s the starter, he’s earned it. That being said, I also think Greiss has played well enough to get more nods too, so Nemo doesn’t get worn out like he seemed to be in the playoffs last year.
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this is what I think will happen
Nitty won’t be back in teal next season, given his history of injuries and coupled with the fact that we are well-loaded with goaltenders in our farm system. I think DW’s first shot at letting Nitty go will be to try trading him for something small we need, but that won’t happen until around the end of December, which by that time he should be back on the ice and gotten his game back. If DW can’t find a good deal, he’ll waive him. If no one claims him, he’ll walk as a free agent.
Nemo and Greiss will be our firmly established goaltending duo for rest of the season and the postseason. I believe Stalock will make his first official start not too long after he gets cleared to play again in February. Unless Nemo or Greiss get injured, Stalock will spend most of the season in the minors though I do expect him to be added to the expanded playoff roster. I think Stalock’s path to becoming the future of our home-grown goaltending will be similar to Nabby’s.
CBJ is probably the obvious shopper for enhanced (G)...
…but could they offer anything we’d want? and would they want someone they’d only be locking down for less than 1 season?
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by Evil Stanchion on Nov 11, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
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by Noctro on Nov 12, 2011 7:35 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don’t think Columbus can afford to wait for Niitty to be healthy…they’ll likely be making a move very soon – especially since Dekanich (who was supposed to start the season as the back up) just got hurt again.
I’m guessing Nabby or maybe Clemmenson might be a Blue Jacket before the weekend is over. I’ll make a very rare trade guess and say that Comeau & Nabby will be going to Columbus for Brassard.
Sharks record through the starting goalie controversy so far...
9 – 4 – 1 with 19 points, a 2 game win streak, and a record of 8 – 1 – 1 over the last 10 played.
I’ll take Niemi’s slow start in stride, because the Sharks are in good positioning so far. And don’t forget Griess dropped a few games in a row back in the beginning of the season. Were they his fault? No, the penalty kill looked terrible. The same areas of play that affect Niemi’s stats will affect Griess too. That said, I expect Nitty to go bye bye here soon.
Perhaps the most maddening part of this whole ordeal is that Nemo is a goalie who, “Plays better the more starts he gets”. This goes contradictory to trying to keep him rested for the playoffs and having a backup netminder who can take the load off him. Something HAS to give…
by Dermal Denticles on Nov 11, 2011 5:01 PM PST reply actions
I've never been impressed with Nitty...
…or his injuries. It just seems like whenever he’s had the chance he’s never been able to pick up the reigns, so to speak.
And I’ve always liked Greiss. At the very least Greiss is a solid back up.
see LA comment above.
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by Noctro on Nov 12, 2011 7:38 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
With Nitty's experience as a back up
He is great in that role. The team calms down when he’s replacing Nemo, and our team doesn’t play well when they get frantic. Nitty may not be stellar, but he may be better for the team because of the calming influence.
Greiss, our beloved Meth Squirrel, on the other hand, doesn’t seem to calm the team down. His energy is a bit infectious. If Greiss stays as the backup, the team either has to learn to play calmly with him, or learn how to play frantically better.
Problem is
I’m sure neither Niitty nor Greiss will be content to continue to be a backup. Both want starting jobs, or at least a shot at a starting job. And they’re not gonna get that in San Jose.
Trade/ Waive Niittymaki
Reason why I’m going with Niittymaki is his $2 million salary. Quite high for a backup. Could save some money for another player in the future.
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