Sharks look to continue winning ways against Pekka Rinne and the Predators
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After an inspired comeback against the Pittsburgh Penguins on Thursday, the San Jose Sharks will look to get off to a better start in the first period tonight against a hard-working Predators team that has earned seven out of eight points in their last four games.
Pekka Rinne inked a 7 year $49 million dollar deal earlier this week, solidifying his role as Nashville's franchise goalie for years to come. The contract will make Rinne the goalie with the highest cap hit in the NHL next season, eclipsing the likes of Henrik Lundqvist ($6.87 MM), Cam Ward ($6.3 MM), and Ryan Miller ($6.25 MM). There's no doubt Rinne, who posted a .930 SV% last season and comes into tonight with a sterling .929, is one of the better netminders in the NHL-- Rinne is remarkably agile for a goaltender who comes in at 6'5, and has a penchant for making highlight reel stops every time he steps out on the ice. Coupled with a Vezina nomination last season, and his relative worth to a team that has a habit of playing in tight, low-scoring games, it's no surprise Nashville was looking to lock him up on a long-term deal.
Count me in with the group who feels that this could be a decision Nashville regrets in the coming years however. It has nothing to do with Rinne's skill set of course-- he is one of the most imposing goaltenders in the League at this stage of his career, and at the age of 29, should continue to provide average to above average results throughout his contract.
But with the difference between big-money starting goaltenders and the league average worth only a handful of wins per season, the downside to committing so many dollars to the goaltending position is that it puts a lot of capital into a notoriously mercurial position-- outside of Dominek Hasek in the mid to late 90's, there hasn't a goaltender who has been hands down the best at his position for season upon season (I suppose you can make the case for Vokoun in the post-lockout era, but that is more of a case of upper echelon consistency rather than dominance over his peers).
As Dirk Hoag of Predators blog On The Forecheck mentions, the question of whether Rinne can continue to be the pace car in the goaltending race will be of primary concern going forward:
For a bit of perspective, if you believe that Pekka has an enduring talent to stop shots that's about 1% better than league-average (say, a sustainable .925 save percentage guy as opposed a .915), that saves you about 20 goals against over the course of a season, which is worth about 7 points in the standings. For a single individual, that's worth paying a premium for, but again, the question is whether he can consistently deliver those results over the term of the contract.
The biggest factor in all of this is that committing that many dollars in net takes away your ability to improve in areas that tend to have a much larger impact on the game-- forwards, specifically centermen, and defenseman. Nashville has a long history of developing quality goaltenders (Vokoun, Mason, and Ellis in the past, Lindback in the now, a wealth of depth in their system), but hasn't managed to land that one forward up front which would spring them into the category of legitimate Stanley Cup contenders. Up until this point they've had the blueline part of the equation solved; however, that could change after this offseason.
With Shea Weber due to hit restricted free agency next offseason after winning a one-year $7.5 MM arbitration award last summer, and partner Ryan Suter poised to be one of the hottest commodities on the UFA market as well, Nashville could be in a position where they heavily consider moving one at the deadline lest either walks away for nothing. It's a tough spot to be in for certain-- unless negotiations look bleak with Suter/Weber, or Nashville knows they can sign all three and still remain within their internal budget, secure your top pairing and rely on your goaltending depth in the system on your path to success. It's what I would have done, and I'm the best NHL '12 GM in the history of XBox. You can trust me.
The Predators have consistently been one of the lower payroll teams in the NHL while still managing to be extremely competitive year in year out. Operating on an internal budget in this economic climate is not an easy thing to do however, no matter how committed the organization is to winning. And the Predators, who have been one of the most well-run and best-coached teams in the League for years now, are extremely committed to winning-- David Poille is one of the best in the business at locating above average talent at bargain basement deals, and Barry Trotz manages to squeeze every last ounce of talent from his lineup every single night.
Unfortunately it all comes down to the checkbook now, and how many times management gives them the chance to use it.
Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. Here's to hoping they make it work.
Prediction: Sharks win 2-1. Goals by Couture and Havlat. Pekka Rinne makes 50 saves, wins the Vezina Trophy 8 years in a row, and goes down as the best goaltender of the decade.
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Snel Hest.
Snel hest + Rovdjur + San Jose = Sharks vinner!
Anaheim är ledsen. >:
GO SHARKS GO.
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by Evil Stanchion on Nov 5, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Dirty hipsters...
Dany Heatley=All-star.
Randy Hahn: "He's got moves like Jagr."
by dfh15 on Nov 5, 2011 4:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Hipsters? Where?
I will end them!
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"Those of you who volunteered to be injected praying mantis DNA, I have some good news and some bad news: bad news is we've postponed these test indefinitely. Good news is we've got a much better test for you: fighting an army of mantis men! Pick up a rifle and follow the yellow line. You'll know when the test starts."
by Evil Stanchion on Nov 5, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Vlasic had the flu first
Dany Heatley=All-star.
Randy Hahn: "He's got moves like Jagr."
by dfh15 on Nov 5, 2011 5:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I got your back.
KEEP THE FAITH- GO SHARKS!
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$7 million is a lot for a goalie, especially over the course of 7 years. Rinne may be worth it, but he’s already 29.
Given a choice between Lundqvist and Rinne, I’d still go with Lundqvist (who may be one of the more underrated goalies in the league).
This is going to be a good game though. Rinne’s always a tough guy to play against.
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I think this best describes why they signed Rinne to that deal
his relative worth to a team that has a habit of playing in tight
It’s a very big cap hit and very long term, but, on a notoriously low scoring team the one position that can win you games on their own is goaltending. Maybe Rinne wouldn’t sign for less, who knows, but Lindback isn’t ready to be a #1 goalie on a team that needs to make the playoffs as much as the Preds do year in and year out. I also think he’s a top 2 goalie in the league.
Count me among the group that thinks they’ll get all 3 locked up long term (this is assuming Weber & Suter both want to stay in Nashville).
On to the game – I’m guessing it’ll be another low scoring, tight checking typical Nashville / San Jose game. Jamie McGinn w/ a Gordie Howe hat trick.
I really hope you’re right about Nashville getting Suter and Weber locked up, because the alternative could very well be an annual rival of ours (i.e. Detroit) picking one of them up. And if the market drives up the cost of holding on to all three of those guys to $20M+, Nashville is left with roughly $30M under their internal cap — assuming their internal cap is somewhere around what they’re spending this year — to ice the rest of their team. $30M to spend on 12 forwards, 4 defenseman, and a backup goalie.
by Rhapsody in Teal on Nov 5, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
For this season, they're like $10 above the cap floor
I think this was to prove to Suter/Weber that they’re serious about paying all three and being competitive. Weber wasn’t interested in long term deals because he didn’t want to be Nashville’s Rick Nash.
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by Auth0r on Nov 5, 2011 8:45 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
I'm pretty sure this theory was proven in Power Rangers.
Since the mastadon zord was way more awesome than the saber tooth tiger one.
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by Kuzcotopia on Nov 5, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
this is so rec'd
anything referencing the Power Rangers.
by JenLovesHockey on Nov 5, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Was just reading my latest THN magazine....
And they had Pekke Rinne as the Preds best bargain… wonder if they would still hold on to that. But then again, they called Joe Thornton the Sharks most OVERPAID player (Couture as the bargain). Jumbo overpaid? Not IMO.
Anyways, guessing a low scoring affair. I’ll ride on Plank’s coat-tails and say 2-1. Goals by Couture and Boyle.
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Don't you miss the days
when this topic was easily solved with mere “Wallin” or “Huskins?”
Rated M for McGinn.
Haha yeah, i really don’t know who our most overpaid player is right now. That was always such an easy answer.
Really no one is overpaid. That’s awesome…
Niittmaaki is paid 2 mil to be hurt and not have a spot on the team.
Boyle isn’t worth 6.7 mil (at least IMO)
Well obviously anyone on the LTIR is going to look overpaid, but he’s not overpaid for his talents. Boyle definitely isn’t overpaid; you can’t pay enough for a guy like him.
he is so far this season, imo…
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by PNK on Nov 5, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Or...
Dany Heatley and the lynch mob that followed him around….
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I predict Torrey Mitchell will only slide into the boards 45 times.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Nov 5, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
Mitchell
Mitchell has yet to figure out that he would be a better player if he actually slowed down a notch and thought the game more. There have been multiple times the last few games when he has skated into the offensive zone and mindlessly thrown the puck on net with a close to zero percent probability of scoring. That is symptomatic of everything he does. Its great that he can skate like the wind but unless he can harness it productively it is wasted energy – just as is throwing the puck at the net from 50 feet with no one even close to deflect it or capitalize on a rebound.
What's 17 times 64 times 26?
He’ll slide into the boards 28288 times this season. That’s 345 per game in an 82 game season. That’s 115 crashes per period. Therefore, your prediction is way off.
Dany Heatley=All-star.
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by dfh15 on Nov 5, 2011 4:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m surprised you mentioned Vokoun and Hasek, but not Brodeur.
by Rhapsody in Teal on Nov 5, 2011 1:05 PM PDT reply actions
Allow me to do a Giants baseball analogy
Vokoun and Hasek (with the emphasis on Hasek) are like Tim Lincecum – flashy, putting up incredible statistics, and recognized across the board as some of the best. They don’t always do things the traditional way, but they somehow not only have made it work but excelled at it.
Brodeur is like Matt Cain – a steady, workhorse presence that’s not flashy. Their accomplishments are sometimes discredited because of where they play/the system they play in, but that doesn’t really matter since they still get it done.
Vokoun and Hasek are the goalies you immediately think of because they’re so dynamic and exciting to watch, and absolutely dominate the era. Brodeur is more traditional, and doesn’t wow you with saves but rather makes all the ones he should, which is why he is such a great goalie.
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I love Rinne
If he was on a team that had a threatening offense, they would be a legit Stanley Cup challenger, year in, year out. He makes unbelievable saves every time the Sharks play Nashville and is largely the reason games stay close.
7 years at 7 mil each is insane though. I don’t get why GMs are signing goalies so long at such a high cap hit when it seems like young quality goalies really aren’t that hard to come by, unless you’re Philadelphia. Nashville in particular should be putting that money toward star forward(s).
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Per Kevin Kurz at Sharks Insider:
McGinn also has a new linemate, if you go by practice yesterday and the skate this morning. Marty Havlat has joined McGinn and Michal Handzus, as McLellan seeks a more balanced attack.
And
Thornton has skated with Logan Couture and Joe Pavelski the last two days, while Marleau looks to be with Ryane Clowe and Torrey Mitchell.
I understand the need for Marleau to center a line against Nashville
But it’s not worth breaking up Couture and Clowe. That line has been on fire lately, Marleau’s been playing a lot speedier on the wing position, breaking that up is just mucking with the chemistry.
Of course, I hope I get to eat all these words later tonight, but for now… Wtf, McLellan?
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We've been a two line team for most of this season
And the Thornton line has been a black hole on D. With the road trip behind us and some actual practice time at home available, this is EXACTLY the time to skate new lines.
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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 5, 2011 3:04 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Which is surprising...
JT, Pavs, and Marleau are supposed to be 3 out of our 5 most responsible forwards on D (Couture and Handzus I assume being the other two…). As long as this is just a temporary experiment, sure, but I don’t think Havlat belongs on the 3rd line and Mitchell doesn’t belong on the 2nd line. We shall see what happens
Go Sharks!
I think Havlat with McGinn and Handzus is a good line, if you overlook the fact that it’s considered the “3rd line”.
Get rid of those numbers, and the lines actually look quite promising.
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These were the lines that were used during the Pittsburgh game, they seemed to work so I’m fine if McLellan wants to see if this helps spread out the scoring.
He already knows what he has in Pavs/JT/Marleau and Clowe/Couture/Havlat. Now’s a good time to get guys used to playing with different guys and see if something clicks.
good point.
Now IS a good time to play with the lines, still early in the season
by JenLovesHockey on Nov 5, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
whoa. .. huh?
I’ve been really diggin’ the Havlat and Cooch connection.
by JenLovesHockey on Nov 5, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm only okay with this...
If our top 3 lines are 1A, 1B and 1C. Otherwise, why the hell is Havlat on the 3rd. o-o
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"Those of you who volunteered to be injected praying mantis DNA, I have some good news and some bad news: bad news is we've postponed these test indefinitely. Good news is we've got a much better test for you: fighting an army of mantis men! Pick up a rifle and follow the yellow line. You'll know when the test starts."
by Evil Stanchion on Nov 5, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Worst BJs Rick Nash has ever had.
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"Those of you who volunteered to be injected praying mantis DNA, I have some good news and some bad news: bad news is we've postponed these test indefinitely. Good news is we've got a much better test for you: fighting an army of mantis men! Pick up a rifle and follow the yellow line. You'll know when the test starts."
by Evil Stanchion on Nov 5, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Columbus Blue Jackets:
The NHL’s witness protection program.
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"Those of you who volunteered to be injected praying mantis DNA, I have some good news and some bad news: bad news is we've postponed these test indefinitely. Good news is we've got a much better test for you: fighting an army of mantis men! Pick up a rifle and follow the yellow line. You'll know when the test starts."
by Evil Stanchion on Nov 5, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Just finished watching Devils-Jets
I dislike both teams greatly for various reasons, but it was a great game.
KEEP THE FAITH- GO SHARKS!
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I just got back from a bar
watching Sabres-Senators.
First time I’ve ever tried a double-header like this, we’ll see if I can last (and not be completely faced by the 2nd period…)
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by PNK on Nov 5, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions

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