Sharks' comeback works in round two as they shock Avalanche 5-4
This one was a doozy. No doubt about that.
There's been a lot of talk about the Sharks early game struggles this year; while that may be true in regards to the compete level, the Sharks have been getting on the board quickly. Again tonight, the Sharks got the first goal of the game, a gift from Semyon Varlamov.
As the puck entered the zone, Varlamov turned the puck over to Couture who quirky put the puck on net. Although Varlamov got back to his crease quickly, he sent a rebound right to the stick of Ryane Clowe, who roofed one past the Colorado netminder for the score.
Then, the period became a battle of special teams. And in those battles, you might as well call the Sharks the French; they've rolled out the welcoming mat for invading armies this season and tonight was no exception. After failing to convert on the power play, the Sharks gave up two power play goal in two straight shorthanded situations.
Paul Statsny got the first goal off a tip from an Eric Johnson shot, and Ryan O'Reily got the second following up on a rebound allowed by Antti Niemi. Neither goal was really Niemi's fault, the defensive pressure by the forwards on the penalty kill left much to be desired and the Avalanche had far too many opportunities to convert.
The second period saw the Sharks jump back into the game again, this time with Michal Handzus getting a beautiful feed from Martin Havlat behind the net which he buried. The play started with Jamie McGinn winning puck possession on the boards, and then kicking the puck to Havlat's stick. It may seem like we praise McGinn too much around here, but stepping back it is quite amazing to see him transform from a ancillary piece to a legitimate NHL player. He's been dynamic, physical, and committed, which is more than you can say about many of the other Sharks during the current run.
Unfortunately, the rest of the second period was all Colorado. First, Marc Edouard Vlasic would make an uncharacteristic turnover in the defensive end which ultimately resulted in Statsny's second goal. It was a break down that shouldn't have happened, and the result was a 3-2 deficit that the Sharks brought on themselves with sloppy play.
The fourth goal allowed wasn't a factor of sloppy play, but instead tired skaters. The Sharks would get caught on a very long shift, and after the Avalanche cycled the puck for a chunk of time that seemed like an eternity, Daniel Winnik scored his second goal in as many games against San Jose. The goal put the Avalanche up 4-2, and you would have been hard pressed to find anyone who thought the seemingly hapless Sharks would have any chance to turn it around.
Something happened in the second intermission, though, which obviously had an affect on the team. It wasn't a motivational speech, it wasn't a coach's tirade. It was a calm discussion that Joe Thornton described in the post game locker room.
"In between periods we talked about how teams have done this to us," said the Sharks' captain, commenting on his team's penchant for giving up third period leads of late. "Why don't we just turn it around for once? Shift after shift we came at them and it just worked for us."
That's an understatement. The Sharks would score in bunches in the third period, starting with a determined play by both Havlat and Brent Burns. Havlat, who had a strong game, fought to create a turnover and caught Brent Burns, who muscled a puck past Varlamov to trim the lead to one. The way that Havlat has struggled, a strong game was exactly what he needed. The effort didn't escape his coach.
"He was very good tonight.," said Todd McLellan of Havlat. "You can't take that away from him one bit. He was good defensively. He was good on the penalty kill. He created chances for his line mates. We are really happy with that type of game from him. I think for him he is still feeling his way through a new organization again. I have said it before, we do expect more from him, but maybe this was his coming out and he'll continue to go that way."
The Sharks themselves continued as Havlat did: strongly. Just thirty seconds later, it was Joe Pavelski with a goal of his own. Thornton, behind the net (a play the Sharks used frequently tonight), forced a pass up to Jason Demers who blasted a shot towards Varlamov. The puck dropped into the crease, where Pavelski was positioned to wrestle the puck into the net.
"That is how a lot of goals are being scored," said Pavelski, of his tally and the others tonight which were scored around the net. "We just missed on a few, but it is definitely good to see guys battle back and get into the hard areas to score goals."
At that point, it looked like the Sharks were an unstoppable force. But like Superman shivers at the sight of kryptonite, the Sharks were forced to face their own weakness head on; a Justin Braun boarding penalty put them on the penalty kill for the third time after allowing two already in the game.
It was the Sharks' best effort of the night on the kill, and two minutes later with the game back at evens, there was no question which team carried the momentum. A few moments later, Patrick Marleau's shot was tipped in by Logan Couture, a goal which would prove to be the game winner.
Couture, by his own account, stated this game was an important one for the team's confidence.
"Right now we are a fragile hockey team," admitted Couture. "We need the confidence and I think this third period will go a long way. We need to build off of it with a good practice tomorrow and get ready for Edmonton."
Not only is the team fragile, but so is the fan base. A loss tonight would have probably seen an increase in the cries for wholesale changes to the roster and coaching staff... a determined win may silence that group for now.
Perhaps this third period is the building block to the success that the Sharks feel they should have been seeing all along. We always look for turning points to a season, and hopefully, tonight's effort proves to be just that.
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Love the dude in the World Series jacket celebrating in the front row
Especially because it sorta looks like he’s holding a blue and orange foam sword.
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I'm partial to thumbs up guy, myself.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
I’m going to celebrate like Thumbs Up Guy every time the Sharks score now.
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by Mike Chen on Dec 16, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank the hockey Gods for this win.
I was interesting that both Cooch and Pavs mentioned the booing home fans upset them some. It shouldn’t take that kind of disapproval to get them going though.
Now let’s build upon this and keep going Sharks.
Good for them
Needed a comeback win like this to get their spirits up. At least I hope. Hoping this is the start of good things!
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Game 29
I was away, attending a children’s Christmas recital, so I can’t comment on the play of this game. But it was awesome to come home and see that the Sharks won!
Game 29 this season: Win 5-4 vs CO
Game 29 last season: Overtime Win 2-1 vs Chi
at 29 games this season: 16-10-3 / 35 pts, 83 GF – 72 GA
at 29 games last season: 15-10-4 / 34 pts, 88 GF – 84 GA
Next 10 games, games 30-39 last season: 6-3-1
Going: SOL, L, OTW, W, W, W, L, L, W, W
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by ievans on Dec 16, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I always seem to like Couture's comments
Might as well put an “A” on that guy as well.
Good win. #thingskingsfansfear (sharks’ comebacks).
I’m sure Couture is on the shortlist of the “next in line” for leadership roles with the team. He’s only been up a year, though. Still time for him to be our next C (once Jumbo retires or whatever).
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 16, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Glad the Sharks got back in the win column.
That was long overdue. Good effort tonight.
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by FTF Staff on Dec 16, 2011 6:50 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
NOT ENOUGH RAGE!!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 16, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Also...
Niemi is bad, trade Boyle and Marleau, and fire McLellan.
Should cover it…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 16, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
Fire EVERYONE.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
EVERYONE!!!!!!
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
That's because we get too many stupid comments in those threads that need responding to.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
Might have been something local, but my comments wouldn’t post last night. Error every time. I think what i was going to point out was:
3 out of 4 points in last 2 games
4 out of 6 points in last 3 games
They need to improve. They need to stop grabbing the sticks so tight. But I’m hoping we can take the fan base off of suicide watch.
by psantangeli on Dec 16, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's because at 6:50 I was still sleeping
Now that I am awake I shall troll this thread with as many comments as you like.
by Briceratops on Dec 16, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
OMG FTF STAFF COMMENTS!!!
But I’d probably chalk it up to the fact that the Sharks lost to the Avalanche at an early time during the night allowing people to comment more… Oh. Now I get your point. Whoops.
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Good to see some things never change!
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They desparately needed those 2 points!
With LA, Phx, and Dallas all winning last night, and for their own mental health, the Sharks needed to win this game, and they did.
It wasn’t pretty but they showed a lot of character coming back in the 3rd period and at the same time showed everyone what kind of game they can play.
Listeneing to Bret Hedican talk about their PK issues was interesting, but one way or another, they HAVE to fix it.
Hopefully, this will give them some confindence that’ll carry over to Saturday! Speaking of Saturday, I have to say, I’m really excited to watch the Oilers in person – they have some insane talent on that team!
Sad I missed it, glad they won
I can’t believe I missed this game to watch how bad my Sacramento Kings are. Looked like a good game
it sucked until the third period, if that helps.
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Dec 16, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
Those are the best
I will always watch a game til the end, even in a blow out, and these games are the reason I never turn off a game.
Plus, at the Kings event all I got to watch 4 Kings starters get injured before the season even started.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 16, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree.
A lot of Sharks were playing well at various points of the game… The 3rd line was very good. After Clowe’s fight, the team really started kicking it up a notch, and that goal Colorado scored after was just really shitty.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
The entire third period, I just couldn’t help but wonder why the Sharks didn’t just play like that all the time. Seems kind of ridiculous that they don’t just play like this whenever they’re on the ice. All the “oh, well, we just said we should make a comeback…why not us” talk kinda makes me mad. If they have the ability to flip the switch and steamroll teams, why not just tape that switch up and put a sign over it that says NEVER TURN OFF?
That being said, this is only a big win if they follow it up with similar effort and more wins on the rest of the homestand. So, while this is nice, the next few games will be really important.
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I like when Sharks when games.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Quit making fun of his Canadian accent you racists.
by Briceratops on Dec 16, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Americans don't say when like win?
Buncha hosers.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair
No team can be on all the time, every team has bad games and bad stretches of games*. When you’re playing 82 games in a season, you’re just not going to win them all or even play well in a noticeable few. Confidence and momentum are real things that effect people.
All that said, this stretch has gone on far too long for the talent this team has. It’s nice to finally win one, but it means nothing if they don’t build on it.
*Except for that Bulls team in the 90’s.
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We always say “teams can’t be on all the time” and also “why can’t they play like that all the time”. The one thing everyone wants to see is compete level. Even T-Mac speaks about that a lot. I don’t care if we are losing, but hustling are asses off. What is frustrating, is when the other team is outworking us, out competing us. In the third period, we had that determination to get to loose pucks, win battles, and put on the pressure. Let’s try to compete like that, all of the time! Or at least most of the time…
Yes, pretty much this. With the Sharks’ talent, if they are competing as hard or harder than the team across the ice, they will win a vast majority of their games. Their losing streaks always seem to happen when they stop playing hard and instead try to just sit back and let their talent do the work. And while they are talented enough to still make the playoffs like that, its not good hockey, and leads to streaks like this. So, yeah, when I say “why can’t they play like this all the time” I’m more referring to the tenacious compete level they had in the 3rd period that was lacking for the 2 weeks prior.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 16, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
How do you know this?
Their losing streaks always seem to happen when they stop playing hard and instead try to just sit back and let their talent do the work
You don’t think the Sharks were working hard during this losing streak?
Not the way they were playing
Too much pulling up in the zone, no pressure on the PK, no drive to the net.
I know “working hard” is up there with all the other cliches, but sometimes, it’s true.
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They were working hard but things weren't clicking.
I think that’s the more accurate cliche.
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I agree
They are at their best when they play aggressive and D men jump up constantly they are not a good turtle and D Up to preserve a lead team they need to play good defense which they have for the most part (tougher in front of own net) overall I just want them to dominate in the offensive zone more , more possession and retrieving seems like alot of 1 and dones in the first 2 periods looked like a while new team in 3rd out there which happens to frequently.
Do the sharks need a coaching change?
Have had a sneaking suspicion for a while now. Is it time? I say this while grimacing…
No one who is just a Sharks fan truly knows what bad coaching is.
T-mac is fine. Switching coaches is only to be done when necessary as in the case of the Wild.
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Dec 16, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll just pretend here for a second that Sharks want a coaching change – who do you hire? Who out there is a better coach than McLellan?
Cries for a coaching change are rediculous as McLellan is one of the better coaches in the league. I’ll admit that they may need a new voice on the PK, but I still think that the issues there are way more execution (players!) than coaching.
My question was just that – a question – not a “cry for a coaching change.” Been a hockey fan and a sharks fan for many years (this is my first time posting to this site however, despite reading it for insightful commentary for some time), and one thing is for certain: sharks fans, at least most of the ones that post to this site regularly have an above average hockey IQ. Agreed, McLellan couldnt be readily and easily replaced by someone, and probably shouldnt. However, at the least, he needs help – either with an additional assistant or different ones. The teams core isnt changing, we arent going to get more skilled, and the compete level is present most nights.It’s about Xs and Os. Isnt it? The team isnt executing. Does the team need more time to learn the current systems? Can McLellan implement new systems on the fly?
Sorry, didn’t really mean to single you out…there’s been a whole lot of FIRE THE COACHES around here lately.
The PP will right itself, I’m not concerned about that. As far as the PK, my opinion, is as bezzerkker said – it’s all about confidence, trust and communication and the PK has none of that right now.
I don’t think a new coach will fix what’s going wrong – the players need to buy into the PK system and execute it. They aren’t in the right spots, they aren’t blocking the shots from the point, their sticks aren’t in lanes, their forwards end up lost (see the cross ice pass / goals that keep happening) and they can’t clear the puck when they get the chance.
Again, my opinion – get Thornton & Couture off of the PK for a while and let Murray and Desi have another shot. Use Pavs / Marleau, Handzus / Havlat, Mitchell / Murray as your PK forwards and see what they can do.
Nice. The PK is this teams ball and chain. And I think youre right about the PP. But every aspect of the sharks game will improve dramatically when the PK gets off its proverbial fat ass and starts throwing its weight around a bit. Sorry, am I mixing metaphors here? Until the PK improves, every aspect of the game will continue to be dragged down as the lack of PK execution is like a disease to this team; its obviously sucking the life out of them. Successful PK systems are simple – and you described our problem better than I could… But good coaches are leaders who can get their people to buy in. Why arent the sharks buying in? Its going on two years straight now. WTF over?
The PK was Yawney’s job last year, he left in the off season and I really thought the PK problems would leave with him. But here we are, 29 games into the season and it’s still a problem.
I have no idea how they fix it, everyone (including me) has an opinion. The bottom line is that Wilson, the coaching staff and the players all know it’s an issue and there’s no doubt they are working on it, just have to wait and see if they can turn it around.
The team just seems to get confused when there’s less than 10 players on the ice – not really sure what that’s all about.
The PK is worse this year than last.
I’m not an expert at anything, and am not qualified to tape Churchill quotes to the player’s lockers, but it just seems to me that if your job is coaching the PK, and your team is 29th or 30th out of 30 in that area, and not getting any better despite your strategy adjustments (ie 1-3 instead of a pressure system), you’re maybe not the right coach for that job. Especially if all the other team metrics are not in the lower third of the league.
You’re either getting outcoached by all the other team’s PP coaches, or you’re trying to get your players to do things they can’t execute, or your players are tuning you out.
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by ievans on Dec 16, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Like I said, everyone has an opinion. Yours is that the fault lies with the coaches.
I definitely don’t think they’re blameless here but running a PK isn’t rocket science. There are only so many systems / strategies…I guess a new voice telling the players how they should be playing may help, who knows.
by milanahalek on Dec 16, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Pavs/Marleau, and even Mitchell/Handzus, have not impressed me on the PK this season. Those are four centerman who seem to lose too many draws on the PK and don’t provide enough coverage.
I actually have very little issue with letting Couture and Thornton take more PK shifts. They can’t be any worse than what the team has already been doing!
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Who has impressed you on the PK?
I haven’t bothered checking the PK adv. stats but I’ve noticed Thornton and Couture out of position on a regular basis.
My point of going back to Pavs, Marleau, Mitchell & Handzus is that those are four players who have had a lot of success on the PK in the past. Whether or not you want to admit it, before the 10/11 season, Marleau was an exceptional two way forward and penalty killer.
Really, at this point, maybe they do need to bring in a new coach and start using new players…because what EVERYONE has been doing (coaches and players) is just not working.
by milanahalek on Dec 16, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
"Who has impressed you on the PK?"
Niemi. That’s it.
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Can’t really argue with you on that and that’s just sad…though even he hasn’t been as good as he should be.
by milanahalek on Dec 16, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Have we tried Desi on PK?
Could that work?
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Not enough
I mean, I get he’s a rookie and all, but he killed penalties in Worcester, and quite frankly, with our PK as shitastic as it is, he couldn’t be any worse.
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Another thing:
Burns used to play forward… Is there any chance we could use him to roll 3 defencemen on the PK, or is that retarded?
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
He's wasted as a PK-ing forward
If you’re as big as him, you should be clearing the front of the net (something he hasn’t done with enough regularity for my liking).
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Interesting idea…but it would just throw of our D pairings, IMO.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Desi
They used him at the beginning of the season along with Murray but then went away from them.
Both Desi & McGinn were regular PKers in Worcester, with how bad the PK is, maybe they’ll give them another opportunity.
Yeah...I think they should...
Throw them out as the 3rd or 4th pairing, see what they do. We could hardly be any worse…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 16, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Can McLellan implement new systems on the fly?
I think he did a fabulous job of this in the Colorado and Detroit series in 2010, and obviously, the 1-3 PK setup this season show that he’s capable.
That being said, I do find myself often frustrated on some of his traits which I perceive as inflexibility: relentlessly matching power against power, regardless of result, riding star players too much.
Those inflexibilities though, are hallmarks of some good coaching as well, in terms of sticking to the gameplan and not panicking. And, again, he seems to be holding players more accountable this season, and putting some faith in his fourth line. So, after four seasons, I think I’m no longer pissed off enough to fire McLellan. His assistants, though, I really wouldn’t mind seeing a new team of.
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No.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Dec 16, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
TMac is solid.
We may need another assistant to help out with special teams, but it doesn’t look like that’ll happen. And, I doubt it’s really coaching. It looks more like problems executing. The players aren’t crisp and aggressive, and there seems to be a little bit of confusion as to which player should be pressuring the puck sometimes. Execution needs confidence to be aggressive, and the confusion needs communication on the ice.
Then again, these are my thoughts after back-to-back all-nighters. Am I even making sense right now?
I say this while grimacing…
Did everyone miss this? I think he’s being very tongue-in-cheek. :P
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
The Sharks won yesterday
You’re doing it wrong.
by Briceratops on Dec 16, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
This game was awesome. I have faith in our team this year despite the big changes and need to adapt. These sharks do want to win.
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Dec 16, 2011 8:24 AM PST reply actions
can someone explain to me why it has derailed so much?
Is it the Wild journeymen trying to adapt to the Sharks style? Are the guys we have been paying money to for years just slumping all at once? Why is McGinn shining? How is he immune to it?!
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Dec 16, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
I go to most home games and from my viewpoint...
Guys are not getting into lanes to block shots. Lots of shots are coming through on the PK, and there are a lot of 2nd chances. In addition, the Sharks like to play a more conservative zone approach on the PK, keeping guys at the perimitter, and not attacking the puck handler. This works, IF you block lanes, if not, it allows free movement and hard shots from the point which lead to tips and second chances
On the PP, they just look tentative, and pressing. The passes aren’t crisp, too many passes on the entry and not quick enough decision making. They are allowing themselves to get pressed by two defenders, and without quick decisive passes, that leads to turnovers and clear outs. Simply put, on the PP they keep looking for the pretty open look, and arent using their bodies enough to establish possession
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hmm. That seems very accurate, but I don’t get how it suddenly befell the whole team. Maybe because the teams we play are stepping it up.
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Dec 16, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Knew it was going to be ugly...
And like I said, at this point, I’ll take the two points anyway we can get it.
Still think the PK is the largest concern and I don’t know if Woodcroft needs to be fired or he just needs to formulate a different style of PK. Because whatever he’s been doing has NOT been working.
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Phew!
That felt good! But every other team in the division won last night, so we just held grown. Time to go on a winning streak here and hold home ice. Let’s go Sharks! This is the type of win you can build from.
Bigger PK concern?
Yes… it sucks. It’s a problem.
But didn’t we get Handzus, et al. in partially to keep our best guys OFF of the power play, and thus avoid draining them? We are still sucking, AND we seem to have our first line guys out there like Thornton.
That seems to be a real problem.
I agree
It is a problem I think we need the fresher, younger, faster guys on the pk… all the elite teams are doing that using 3rd and 4th line guys primarily just look at VAN last year. The sedins ain’t the fastest players and they never pk then they are fresh when a kill happens which is what we want JUmbo & co to be
There is an ugly temptation at work here I’m guessing. When the pk starts to go south with the 3rd and 4th line guys, you start putting the 1st and 2nd line guys out. Thus wearing them out, and further hurting the team by killing offense.
The key word this year is “trust”. That should go for TMac and the 3rd and 4th liners on the PK too.
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Spelling issues aside, it definitely seemed to be another one those nights going into the third period of last night. I found it interesting in the post-game interviews that Couture would outright admit that the team is mentally fragile – like the honesty, but is that something you want to broadcast to 29 other potential opponents? Also keep in mind that the effort of the Dallas win a week ago seemed to have signed of a turnaround for the Sharks, yet they couldn’t capitalize on it – I hope that the Sharks do not rest on the laurels of this third period comeback and use this confidence to keep winning and hopefully improve special teams.
On the flipside, it did cap a pretty good day for me (post surgery check-up went well and I have a firm date next week to get my stitches removed), so I’m not arguing with the result.
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i am deeply disturbed by this comment. is this an inside joke?
I don’t understand it. Although I’m guessing it’s another milbury attack, I think a spelling error makes it even more confusing.
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Dec 16, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I wish. Milbury attacked a 12 year old, who had got into a scuffle with Milbury’s son during a hockey game. Grabbed him and shook him, etc.
Yeah, it’s should read, “we need pee-wee…” Whatever.
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shit. I just got home and I have Stanley Cup of Chowder in my rss feed, so...
I forwarded the link to my leafs fan friend.
What the….
DOES BEING ON TELEVISION TURN YOU INTO A DICK OR IS IT JUST A SIDE EFFECT
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Dec 16, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Milbury has been a dick forever. He’s the worst.
But now that he has a national platform he’s gotten more confident in his belligerent assholery. I guess he saw Grapes up north and said, “I’m gonna do that, without anything endearing to offset the rants.”
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The way hockey is broadcast needs to change.
This includes forcibly removing Milbury and McGuire from the sport, if not from existence.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Just out of curiosity
Why was that 6th goal disallowed? My friend and I were at a hotel party and didn’t have the sound turned on, but it sure as hell looked like it crossed the line to me. The refs reviewed it for all of 5 seconds too. Wtf?
Also, when we were down 4 – 2, I turned to my buddy and said, “What if I told you the Sharks were going to win this game 7 – 4?” He called bullshit, and the Sharks went to work and scored 3 goals. I really would have looked like a prophet if that 6th goal was allowed and we had the minute 50 left to score the 7th. But I’ll take the win!
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by Dermal Denticles on Dec 16, 2011 11:35 AM PST reply actions
You have to be able to see white ice between the puck and the goal line for the puck to be considered over
As long as any part of the puck is on the goal line, it’s not a goal. It didn’t take much of a review to see the puck wasn’t even close to being in.
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I still disagree with you.
Maybe 1% of that pucks was on the line. It was DAMN close.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20112012,2,460&navid=sb:highlights
They show the freeze frame. There’s never any white between the line and the puck.
On further review, yeah, it was a lot closer than memory serves, but there’s never a clear shot of the puck across the line. Somewhat curious that Toronto was that quick with the call, but whatever.
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I agree that it's not agree.
I disagree that it wasn’t very close.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
not a goal*
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Watching it again
I think it’s actually very likely Clowe scored, and Toronto, or the video replay official, botched the review, going with the freezeframe that CSN showed. There’s probably insufficient evidence to overturn the call on the ice (which was fair, the official is behind the net, and at the time the puck may have been completely over, the defenseman’s stick is behind it, completely blocking the sightline), but the review was far too quick.
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Agreed.
Thanks for clearing that up
by Dermal Denticles on Dec 16, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't understand why they don't start using RFID with these pucks...
That would be definite. It either crossed or it didn’t. End of story. No chance to botch the call.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
That's a lot of infrastructure
For something that only matters in a small percentage of calls each season
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I'm sure it'd make the gamblers a lot happier.
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by Evil Stanchion on Dec 16, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
WHERE'S OUR VERIFICATION LINE!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 16, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Say,
Isn’t that guy on the left, yellow shirt and work jacket holding the orange cone, the same guy who was cheering for the Sharks while wearing the RedWing sweater in a previous photo?
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