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Matt Hackett stuns Sharks in rookie debut

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The Sharks start strong, getting an early goal from Joe Pavelski just a minute into the game. Apparently firing on all cylinders, San Jose puts shot after shot on Minnesota, controlling the play. Then Josh Harding, he of the sparkling 0.935 save percentage, gets knocked out of the game by his own player. With starter Nicklas Backstrom on the shelf with an injury, Minnesota Wild coach Mike Yeo is forced to start his third string, rookie netminder.

That kind of opening effort usually leads to a win, and if you were playing the odds, you would have assumed that the Sharks would have earned a better fate. If not, you're probably a narcissist.

Or you've just been watching a lot of Sharks hockey lately.

The Sharks generated plenty of shots (42 to be exact), but rookie Matt Hackett dispelled all 34 that he faced in a Al Stalock-esque rookie showing. The Sharks controlled play, they had the chances. They just didn't capitalize, and that's been the story lately.

Minnesota got goals from Mikko Koivu and Pierre-Marc Bouchard, both in the first period, and those two would prove to be enough for the Wild, who lead the NHL in points. For the second time, though, Dany Heatley and Devin Setoguchi were pretty invisible, the latter playing just under three minutes due to injury.

I would delve into a more detailed play by play, but the fact of the matter is that the rest of the game didn't have much in the form of interesting tidbits. The scoring was done in the first, and unfortunately for San Jose, the game isn't decided on the shot clock.

What's the problem with the Sharks, then, who have now lost four of five after looking like they were back to being the team that everyone hoped they would be? There are a few overarching themes from the season that rear their heads here: a power play that couldn't cash in when it needed to, a penalty kill that sputtered to a 50% success rate, and a team wide inability to connect passes and control the puck.

Positively, the shot generation total is encouraging, just as it was when the Sharks were in a similar slump to start the year. Playing as poorly as they have, they're still outshooting the best team in the league (at least from a record standpoint) at a 2-1 ratio. That ratio is even higher when you factor in blocked shots (33) and missed shots (18), or 93 total pucks directed towards the opposition's net. When this team gets right, which we saw flashes of in the first, they're going to be scary.

Still, though, they're slumping. Todd McLellan will keep switching up his lines, (we saw Winchester on line one and Marleau on line three for example), but part of me wonders if that's going to be enough to get this team scoring again. It's going to take individual efforts from here on out and some guys, as was the case with last year, need to look in the mirror and figure out how to get back to being the elite hockey players they can be.

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That was pretty awesome for Matt Hackett

and pretty lame for the Sharks.

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by idunno723 on Dec 6, 2011 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

That’s better.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Dec 6, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m thinking I should do that, but realistically, I understand this team will eventually get their act together. Hopefully. Hopefully…. please… please for the love of God

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by Pavsisaninja on Dec 6, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

best part

is him hitting the center post.

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by SharksFanTillDeath on Dec 7, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

No doubt Murray's injury hurt them....but WTF is going on?

For a while there they looked unbeatable… now? They just lost to the Panthers and the Wild, who, granted, are both doing well but Sharks should be able to beat them. WTF is going on?

Is it the mix and match lines/ pairings of TMC?

Is it a slumping Dan Boyle?

Is it unsustainable goaltending?

They’re turning over pucks way too much again. The top line is going through a scoring drought. The Defense has checked out (except Burns/Vlasic and occasionally Demers, who’s looking much more on his game now, and still improving i think).

Did I miss something? I know it’s the Sharks and all and they have this problem every season but it just seems so out of the blue now.

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by Scotty Ace on Dec 6, 2011 10:43 PM PST reply actions  

Pavelski scored

So, the goal scoring drought isn’t total.

by bezzerkker on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Every team goes through slumps during the season, not just the Sharks.

They had their chances tonight, just couldn’t put it in the back of the net.

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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 6, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Jim Vandermeer is really darn solid. There's a plus from the game.

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by SanFranciscoKnights on Dec 6, 2011 10:46 PM PST reply actions  

hard time watching

a team with loads of elite players who seem to have forgotten how to play the game. special teams horrible physicallity horrible (from a team with size to spare) mistakes giveaways no net presence. they are looking like a bunch of rookies not an elite team

by clowesmyboy on Dec 6, 2011 10:52 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

They looked better tonite than the last game.

Vandermeer > White Is one thing that was obvious.
They played a darn good 1st period…..till they gave up 2 goals.
And well that’s that.

Oh and I kinda like Winchester on that 1st line. Get him in front of the net to allow Joe get behind the net where he is dangerous.

by Horatio R. on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

Ba-dum-tish!

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by BritShark on Dec 7, 2011 2:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Believe me

We are as surprised as you are. Hackett was huge! The Sharks are the one team in the league that make me go ‘’Ah crap, the Wild are gonna lose tonight’’ before each matchup.

Looks like the Sharks are hitting a rough patch, but it can’t last very long, not with games like tonight. 8 shots in the 1st minute was ridiculous. The Sharks won’t stay down very long!

Good game everyone! See you next time!

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by JSLandry on Dec 6, 2011 11:14 PM PST reply actions  

The San Jose Wild

played an average game tonight. Another thing: tRaDe DaN bOyLe hE ToTALLy SUx. I like that sarcasm font the most. But seriously Boyle, stop making me a sad individual.

by aMinorThreat on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 PM PST reply actions  

Excellent

He was also invisible when he was playing FOR his old team.

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by JSLandry on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

So what's the initial feeling on the Braun-Demers pairing?

I thought they played a pretty solid game together for the new (and, for Braun on the left side, unorthodox) pairing. With a little more seasoning they could probably show more offensive flair—they were understandably kind of tentative early on tonight, at least coming out of the d-zone—but at least both guys avoided any real miscues. If Murray isn’t back Thursday, I’d give them another shot over putting White in there.

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by Timorous Me on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 PM PST reply actions  

I think it forces both of them

to focus on the defensive aspects of their game more and not try to do too much offensively, which is when they both excel. In other words, it makes both guys think “Hey, I’m paired with an offensive-minded guy, I’ve got to make sure I get things covered.”

Demers (moreso than Braun, but Braun too) struggles when he tries to force it offensively rather than just let it come naturally in the flow of the game, so this is a good remedy. Plus it starts building chemistry for a potential future Sharks long-term defensive pairing.

by BillytheSid on Dec 7, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Braun / Demers

They both played some on their off side – Braun looked better than Demers. But, against a team like Minnesota, they’re not going to get exposed as long as they didn’t get put out there against either of the top 2 lines.

Demers was struggling a little biti w/ his turns on the left side which is why I think they ended up putting Braun on that side instead.

It was a decent game for them considering & I hope they try it again as both of those guys deserve to getting NHL minutes.

by milanahalek on Dec 7, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's worth continuing the experiment.

Braun’s definitely a little more adaptable to the other side than Demers is (and I think that speaks to his defensive acumen). There’s likely to be injuries and things in the future that’ll force them together and it’s time to see them both on the ice if we can manage it. If they have a few blowup games in a row, I’ll change my mind, but for now I think it’s a solid option.

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by Auth0r on Dec 7, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

On inconsistency

Is that something that is a unique problem to the Sharks or is that completely normal? I can’t say for sure because I don’t follow any other team as closely as I follow the Sharks.

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by idunno723 on Dec 6, 2011 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

It's completely normal

Just look at Detroit and Boston this season.

by Briceratops on Dec 6, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s what I want to say but I feel like a homer haha

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by idunno723 on Dec 6, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

C'mon idunno723...

The Sharks obviously suck – their goaltending sucks!! Their D sucks!! Their offense sucks!!! The coaches all sucks!! Stop being such a homer! (Just In case anyone thinks I’m being serious here, I’m not)

by milanahalek on Dec 7, 2011 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Stop being so serious!

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by idunno723 on Dec 7, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Niemi was a problem?

I thought he played pretty well actually. Both goals against were pretty much slam dunks.

by BillytheSid on Dec 7, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

While 3 of his last 4 games were losses, in those losses he gave up 3, 2, and 2 goals against. The problem is scoring.

by Snoops on Dec 7, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Inconsistency is something that every team goes through. I don’t believe that the Sharks are a crappy team who occasionally surpass their regular play with a winning streak.

Also, I just didn’t see Niemi as an issue last night. Boyle was poor, again, but so was the rest of the defense. And the turnovers? Not Niemi’s fault.

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by Bockerz on Dec 7, 2011 5:21 AM PST up reply actions  

How is Niemi a huge problem? He was incredible last month and has a .906 in two games in December – not great, but not “A HUGE PROBLEM”.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Dec 7, 2011 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Someday, they will have to be addressed if the Sharks ever truly want to be an elite team…instead of just a team with elite skill.

You nailed it with that last sentence, for sure.

What makes this team even more frustrating is seeing what they’re capable of when they’re firing on all cylinders, for example during the first 10 minutes of this game. The Wild had absolutely no answer for the pressure the Sharks were applying. They were also collapsing on the crease and creating traffic in front of Harding, and theN Hackett. And then…nothing.

You can somewhat get away with being this inconsistent in 5-on-5 play, so long as your special teams is getting it done with the man advantage, and shorthanded, but that’s also not happening. Zero and I both believe that there may be a coaching issue there, as the pieces are there, both from a PP and PK perspective, yet the execution simply isn’t happening, and hasn’t all season, despite some early PP success.

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by OtherKid on Dec 7, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Theory

Sharks sucked when the Giants made their World Series run last year, led by great defense (pitching) and a mediocre offense. This year, the Niners have somehow already clinched a playoff spot and are considered to be a top team in the NFL with their great defense and an offense led by Alex Smith.

Obviously, when a San Francisco-based team make a run at a championship, they pull their good play from the Sharks.

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by mymclife on Dec 6, 2011 11:40 PM PST reply actions  

The Giants blew ass last year and the Sharks didn't get much further...

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by SeanCrosby87 on Dec 7, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

No no no, not this past season. 2010.

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by mymclife on Dec 7, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

We were at this website:

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by idunno723 on Dec 7, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Iknow

right?

Although it’s been hard for me to follow the gamethreads this year because I’m watching on Gamecenter and I have to keep switching tabs.

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by PNK on Dec 7, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Same here—plus I like sometimes watching on a bit of a delay, restarting the game from the beginning and fast-forwarding through all the commercials. I find I miss too much if I try reading/commenting on the GDT while the game is on the computer.

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by Timorous Me on Dec 7, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as the Sharks continue their stellar 5 on 5 play I will not worry

Special teams is a problem that can be ironed out and isn’t as conducive to postseason success.

by Briceratops on Dec 6, 2011 11:52 PM PST reply actions  

Is it just me

or were there like a million backhand wrap-around attempts tonight? Those look so awkward and almost never work

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by waive kent huskins on Dec 7, 2011 12:18 AM PST reply actions  

I'm Sick and Tired

of these 2nd (and now 3rd) string goalies stealing the show against us.

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by Bdub408 on Dec 7, 2011 12:18 AM PST reply actions  

Well, one reason is

since the Sharks rarely play against backup/3rd string goalies, they don’t really have any ingrained knowledge of that goalie’s strengths and weaknesses. That slight hesitation when you don’t know where you should shoot on a guy is often just enough time for the goalie to react or a defenseman to block the shot.

by BillytheSid on Dec 7, 2011 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Eventually

This team will begin to click on all cylinders. Those first 10 minutes or so were just scary good. The wild weren’t sure what to do with themselves. Unfortunately, letting the foot off the gas for a stretch of 5 minutes allowed the Wild to press back and take the lead (which the apparently do often when being down by a few goals). I’m not worried about this team, I don’t feel there should be panic and I don’t see any reason why we should start pointing fingers. This team will come together soon. They played some great hockey in the first half of the 1st and the majority of the 2nd and 3rd. Sometimes the puck just doesn’t go in (seem to be happening a lot to us this year). Our 3rd line is something that gets me excited. When they started the game off, they were instantly in the offensive zone causing all sorts of havoc. They bring so much energy to this team. Pavelski was on fire tonight and it’s too bad he only netted one, because he could have had at least 2-3 more. Vandermeer on D is also something that gives me hope. I like his play with and without the puck a lot more than White has shown. He seems to be comfortable within this system.

PK isn’t perfect, but it has seemed to improve a little over the last few weeks. Pucks need to be cleared immediately. Both on the PK and on the breakout. TOO MANY TURNOVERS. Soft and blind passes make me want to cry myself to sleep. Locate your man, pass him the puck using the boards or the glass. Problem solved.

Hopefully the team will come out with a fire lit under them against Dallas. Sharks need to step up their physicality and there’s not a better team to do it against than the Stars. They’ll get their act together and when they do, maybe the panic and finger pointing will subside! Go Sharks!

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by Pavsisaninja on Dec 7, 2011 12:31 AM PST reply actions  

Screw the defense. That doesn’t bother me. Nor does the goaltending. I honestly didn’t think Nemo was the issue last night, but we lost so he must have been awful.

My issue is with puck possession, and the sheer volume of turnovers. It just seems like this team has gotten to the point where they’re scared to play the puck, and that leads to hesitation. The Sharks aren’t able to get the puck out of their own zone seemingly half the time, and that’s honestly the most frustrating thing about their play right now. The lack of offense, I think, stems from poor puck possession. And would it kill to have some second chances after shots?

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by Bockerz on Dec 7, 2011 5:19 AM PST reply actions  

"When this team gets right, they're going to be scary"

Has this team tuned out the coaches?

Is it time to try and move an overpaid, passed his prime, top player?

Was it a mistake to give up on Seto and Heater to get Havlat and Burns?

Will the PK ever improve?

So much for building momentum at home to climb up the ranks of the Western Conference…This team is slow, older and seems to lack desire on a nightly basis. Other than Torrey Mitchell, I didn’t see the effort it takes to win in this league. That starts at the top with the demeanor of the leadership on this team (Thornton, Marleau, Boyle).

Dan Boyle is 35 ($6,666,666)

Patrick Marleau is 32 ($6,900,000)

Joe Thornton is 32 ($8,000,000)

Other than Pavelski and Couture, I think everyone should be on the trade block.

It’s not too late for this team to turn it around. But for that to happen they will need to trust one another and play cohesively (like the Wild). Instead of seeing this group gel we’re seeing them fall apart. I’d like to believe that Havlat and Burns are better than they’ve shown. But they will have to prove it. If we don’t win tomorrow vs. Dallas, it could easily be 4 more losses with Stl, Chi, and Col on the road. If that happens then it’s really panic time!

by 1 and done on Dec 7, 2011 7:28 AM PST reply actions  

INTERESTING...

I remember when some peeps here were saying that speed is overrated…

I went to the game last night and I will have to say that Handzus is a 2.5 million dollar liability…

Clutch!

by Sharkette on Dec 7, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Boohoohoo

For the cost off Vandermeer and Collin White, Ian White sure looked beautiful. Boyle is husteling hurt. I give him 2 more seasons.

Man I miss Welly and Ian White! Those guys are sick now.

Clutch!

by Sharkette on Dec 7, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Wellwood also has an unsustainably high 21.9 S%. Although I agree he has been a nice find for Winnipeg.

by Briceratops on Dec 7, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone is saying that...

… And yet he still continues to maintain it.

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by Noctro on Dec 7, 2011 9:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

1st period

I think that might’ve been the best period the Sharks have played all season, yet they somehow ended up down 2-1 (the PK is bad!). That old, tired cliche of if they keep playing like this they are going to win games…it’s true, but it’s a bit frustrating waiting for that to happen.

Dany Heatley made Dan Boyle his bitch on that first goal!

Some of the coaching decisions had me shaking my head last night but what it comes down to is that the Sharks are having an extremely hard time putting the puck in the net lately.

by milanahalek on Dec 7, 2011 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

Stop panicing

The hockey gods are fickle beasts. They played pretty well. The wild played a pretty good defensive game after getting the lead. That is their M.O. Braun was impressively good, and I thought the defensive switchup worked well. Boyle made some good plays. The weakest player I saw out their was Jumbo, with a couple of uncharacteristic turn overs.

by psantangeli on Dec 7, 2011 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

I forget what the exact number is, but Minnesota’s record after giving up the first goal is impressive. And it’s not the old Boudreau-style Caps where they just blow you out of the water with goals-for. It’s clawing back and playing tight D.

I thought Boyle played much better tonight too. Some really good poke checks and positional plays. Not perfect, but hopefully he’s simplifying his game a bit.

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by Mike Chen on Dec 7, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the Wild's record is 12-6-0 after giving up the first goal.

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by minnesotagirl71 on Dec 7, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree - It wasn't a horrible outing

The lapses were frustrating, but the Sharks definitely played well enough to win last night. Too many errant and soft passes though – Burns and Thornton come to mind.

The chances were there though – they just couldn’t bury them. Havlat’s whiff especially comes to mind, but the Sharks had a lot of second & third chances at some rebounds that they just couldn’t corral quick enough. Seemed to me that the forwards were crashing the net after initial shots, but the rebounds bounced out past them in the slot. Maybe have one forward hang back a little more and a few more end up in the net. It’s not like they were absolutely played out of the building.

One more thing: The booing Heatley thing needs to stop. It’s pretty damn stupid.

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by DownRUpLYB on Dec 7, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Some of the boos

I’m alright with, like when he boarded Vlasic, or that interference penalty on Boyle last game against the Wild.

But to boo him just because he has the puck? That’s not cool.

by bezzerkker on Dec 7, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally agreed

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by winthecupsj on Dec 7, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

If we cant score...

Can’t we at least do the same collapse bullshit that teams do to us? I mean damn its so annoying when teams play 5 goalies and we cant get a shot through… But on D we never seem to do that

by orneryeric on Dec 7, 2011 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

PK Disaster

The “use the best guys on the pk” experiment is over. How many times does Jumbo have to be scored on to take him off the first unit? Mitchell and Handzus had an excellent PK last game, Patty has always been solid on the PK when it was rated 3rd in the league instead of 30th… Shaw has me shaking my head every game sending out 19 and 8 only to give up a key goal every time we need a kill. Maybe our offensive execution would get better if we managed the skilled players minutes more and let the guys who are signed specifically to block shots and kill penalties do their thing. Trust, right Todd?

by Walshimania on Dec 7, 2011 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

You remember that long losing streak last season?

And how it was followed up by a ton of wins? There was a similar sort of thing 2 seasons ago.

I’m going on record and saying that the sharks become awesome by sucking first each season and if we’re getting it out of the way early then so much the better. Maybe it’s naively hopeful, but every time we dump a bunch of losses, the team seems to finally get its collective head out of its ass and remember that they’re a fucking amazing team. So I’m willing to trust that they can do that this time to.

I only hope that shootout win over montreal didn’t screw things up. And I am joking about that.

/denial? Not quite sure.

by warning on Dec 7, 2011 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

Anyone got the advanced stats for last game? I have to think it’s tilted way in the Sharks favor.

Slumps happen. Bad bounces happen. I have Center Ice, so I flip around the 4:30 games while I finish my workday and you see these things happen to every team off and on. The good teams just don’t let it slide for 15-20 games.

And one thing to point out — I’d rather lose games based on my own team’s bonehead mistakes instead of just getting dominated left and right. Bonehead mistakes are correctable. Luck evens out.

The only long-term issues I’d worry about right now are the PK and the team as a whole getting too cute with passes and thus making it harder for themselves. That’s happened all year.

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by Mike Chen on Dec 7, 2011 10:12 AM PST reply actions  

The PK

I really, really didn’t like Trent Yawney and thought he was very much to blame for the PK going from top 5 to bottom 5 over the course of 1 season…turns out, maybe it wasn’t him (Sorry for bitching about you Yawney!).

The Sharks really seem to have the personnel to have a good PK, they’ve tried a couple of different strategies, the 1-3 was working for a while, but has since been sucking too.

I don’t know if they need a new PK coach, a new strategy, different players….someone in the org. needs to get that figured out soon though.

by milanahalek on Dec 7, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

As an armchair coach, I look at good PK teams and see that they’re usually more aggressive to force the issue rather than just sitting in the usual PK box/diamond formation. This usually leads to turnovers and passing breakdowns. The problem with this is if your players are too aggressive, then they’re out of position and a 5-4 becomes a 5-3 really quick.

The Sharks have the personnel to play this style but they tend to sit back. If Todd & co. began preaching a more aggressive PK, there would be some massive f-up moments during the transition but it could lead to a stronger PK come Feb/Mar. I mean really, it can’t get much worse. Right now, they’re just doing a combination of sitting back, then chasing the puck, then falling out of position.

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by Mike Chen on Dec 7, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree, most of the good PK teams are very agreesive.

Where I see the problem with this stratgey is that most of the forwards the Sharks use are not fast enough to be effective (Handzus, Thornton, Pavelski, Couture) and they will get caught out of position a lot.

If they can start pairing one fast guy (Marleau, Mitchell, Havlat) with the slower guys, it might work.

by milanahalek on Dec 7, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, it’s a bit too passive. I think the team in general is suffering from holding the sticks too tight. Conservative PK is one of the things you get from that.

by psantangeli on Dec 7, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

holding the sticks too tight

My girlfriend has the same problem.

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by PNK on Dec 7, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Better than not being strong on the stick

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 7, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

you gotta hold on loosely
but don’t let go
if you cling too tightly
you’re gonna lose control

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by PNK on Dec 7, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The PK is just wretched, and I have no explanation for it. Ok, 1-3 is improving it a skosh, so it went from “triple sell” to “don’t buy.”

Niemi just has to be better. By that I mean, don’t let in the first 2 goals of the game. We all know he can be lights out for 2-3 weeks. But when he comes back down, he turns back into “below average NHL goalie,” not “very good goalie.”

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by ievans on Dec 7, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I think they're just going to suck this season, so we can get 8th seed...

It’s worked well for us before… and that way, we get Vancouver out of the way EARLY ON!

…but really, theyre going to turn on the afterburners in the 2nd half, and have about 8000 goals in march.

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by SeanCrosby87 on Dec 7, 2011 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

Because so many 8 seeds have had real success in the playoffs?

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 7, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Slump...

That’s the best way to call what the Sharks are in now.

I didn’t think Heatley was invisible… the guy SCHOOLED Boyle with that fake shot, which lead to the Koivu goal. I still think some Sharks fans are total morons by the booing of Heatley (boarding call not withstanding) but boo’ing when he’s called for the assist. Are you the ones that still boo Brian Campbell even though him leaving brought us Dan Boyle? I’ll never understand some fans.

This game was a bit two sided. First of all, if the Wild didn’t have the hockey gods on their side last night, it would be been a 4-0 beating in the Sharks favor after the first 10 minutes of the game. Sharks came out hot and it was nice to see. PP and PK still looked very subpar and I think that is what was our demise. The shots were there, some were quality, some not but the effort was there. We just HAVE to improve our special teams if we plan on getting anywhere this post season.

Hoping to stomp the Stars on Thursday! GO SHARKS!

PS: You would think Seto was Justin Bieber with all the teeny boppers around last night haha. One girl was watching the warm ups next to me and every time Seto would come close she would hyperventilate. Thought she was maybe 13… she was 18. Yikes! LOL! Had to share.

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by winthecupsj on Dec 7, 2011 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

I don’t understand the booing of Heatley, either. He played hard, was productive most of the time, was by all accounts a good teammate, and didn’t want to leave. As a Sharks fan, I can’t think of a reason to dislike him, its not like he was trying not to score goals on 1/2 a groin.

Booing Campbell I totally understand. It’s like the cute girl that you never though you had a chance with, but she goes to the homecoming dance with you, it is a magical night, and then she dumps you for the QB of the football team. It doesn’t matter if you find an even better girl later on, she didn’t think you were good enough (even if, objectively, the QB was taller, better looking, etc). So, yeah, screw Brian Campbell and his huge contract and Stanley Cup ring that justifies his decision, I still don’t like him and will boo him every chance I get :-)

by ruben398 on Dec 7, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. The booing of Heatley is idiotic. He was a good guy who fully intended to play out his career here (… he still owns the un-sold house up the street from me to show for that). His skills are clearly on the decline, and he was never much of a skater. Just one of those things.

Either there are a lot of Ottawa or Edmonton residents in the Tank, or we have Sharks fans suffering from ‘abuse envy’ or something.

by psantangeli on Dec 7, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubt it

They booed him in the first game in the third period when he wasn’t doing anything except controlling the puck.

by Briceratops on Dec 7, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Briceratops is right. People were booing when he had the puck.

If Seto scored, would people boo? Doubt it. And Heatley didn’t score although he made a great play that allowed Koivu to score.

A couple guys behind me were booing him and I asked them honestly why they were booing Heatley. They said it’s because he played “sh*tty” for us. Not true. First season a PPG player, next year injured the majority of the season and went to the 2nd line and still scored 64 points.

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by winthecupsj on Dec 7, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was seriously peeved when the boobirds came out. And to those who say the boos on his penalty were justified, fair enough, but I doubt they’d be that loud if Seto was called for the same thing. I still don’t think he gets enough credit with helping the Cloweture combo working as well as it did last year.

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by DownRUpLYB on Dec 7, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Can anyone boo

This?

Especially when that same guy did this?

Just look at that face! He’s so adorable when he thinks he’s acting cool.

by bezzerkker on Dec 7, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer the Sharks suck now and get hot for the playoffs

then vice versa a la ‘08-’09 when we were owned by the Ducks. Go Sharks.

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by Dmitriy on Dec 7, 2011 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

Dan Boyle looks bad

He seems to be on the ice for every goal right now. Marleau also looks non- existent. I actually thought the first line looked spectacular once Winchester came in with his net presence. I can’t say enough about him or McGinn right now. One change that should be made now is Vlasic and Burns to the top line. Hacket……..

by Dermal Denticles on Dec 7, 2011 12:06 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

I'd add Clowe to that list...

I actually think Marleau is alright. Clowe, good Lord that guy is just OFF his game lately. I know he’ll get it back but every time he had the puck last night, I got pissed.

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by winthecupsj on Dec 7, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually thought the first line looked spectacular once Winchester came in with his net presence.

I guess I have to give McLellan credit for that. I usually say he never has consequences for underperforming stars, but he effectively benched Marleau very late in the game.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 7, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate say it, but but Boyle needs a fix or a bench shift.

No getting around his decline in play that started at the end of last season. I want Dan Effin’ Boyle back…

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by Noctro on Dec 7, 2011 9:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If the Sharks play that well every game, they will be just fine. No team goes undefeated, virtually all teams go through 1-4 slumps where they can’t score. Unless the Sharks are legitimately in a position where they may miss the playoffs, I’m really not going to stress over a bad 8 or so games from Dan Boyle or Havlat not scoring or Demers having a slow start or the 2nd PP unit not being awesome. Other than the PK, which has been poor for almost a year and a half now and pretty clearly needs a change in strategy as most of the PKers have a track record of success, all of these things will be quickly forgotten with the next 5 game winning streak.

On to the next game…

by ruben398 on Dec 7, 2011 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

Still frustrated the next day

It effectively took the Wild 8 shots and less than 20 minutes to beat the Sharks.

I don’t care if they’re in first place. It should never take so little to win an NHL game, particularly if the Sharks think of themselves as a for real team.

This kind of stretch of play ends your season in the spring. I’m troubled that the team has allowed themselves to be outplayed for so many games in a row.

It’s getting irritating watching the team roll over so easily the past few games. I get that losing streaks happen, and you can’t be elite for 82 games. But this? F this S.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 7, 2011 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

Exactly. I as exasperated as I am, and the B's...

… Had a shitstorm of a start. Not anymore.

I do worry about the players and if they’re “hearing” the coaches. That does seem to be a problem with several teams out there (Caps, Ducks)…

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by Noctro on Dec 7, 2011 9:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Did we watch the same game? I didn’t see a team rolling over. I saw a team that just couldn’t get the damn puck in the net. For large stretches of the game (post first period), they dominated. Some bad bounces. Some over-tight gripping of the sticks. Some excellent defensive play by the Wild.

Three weeks ago if you went over to the Redwings blogs, they were all crying about the end of the world, and ‘time to rebuild’. Not any more. Teams go through cycles. The hockey gods are fickle.

by psantangeli on Dec 7, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Hard to say they dominated anything after the first period

When the Wild were comfortably able to play the collapse to the net game.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 7, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe that’s where the difference in opinion comes from. I call “5 opponents cowering around their net while getting shelled from the outside and relying on lucky bounces on the inside” being dominated :-)

by psantangeli on Dec 7, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a reasonable assessment

But the SAME THING has happened to the team in the past 6 games. At what point does luck end and suck begin?

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 7, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll add this

With the lead, it was noted just how well Minnesota was doing in terms of breaking up passes and getting sticks in lanes and such.

When was the last time we could say “good defensive play by ____” with any regularity?

Vlasic maybe, but I sure as hell can’t think of a forward outside of Handzus that has been consistent on defense.

We pump a lot of shots on net, but what good is that if we’re outnumbered down low where the scoring chances are? No one is getting to those rebounds.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 7, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Thornton.

All last year.

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by Noctro on Dec 7, 2011 9:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If you give me a lighter right now

Bad things might happen

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 7, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Will some trade talk cheer you up?

Marleau for Semin (last year of Semin’s deal, would clear a bunch of cap room or we re-sign him).

Boyle for Timonen ( has one less year on his deal and even though the cap hit is about the same, the actual pay is much less).

No I haven’t been drinking, yet.

by 1 and done on Dec 7, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

That just depresses me all over again

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 7, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Elvis, and I think we found that missing reefer...

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by Noctro on Dec 7, 2011 9:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

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