The ever-changing market for Devin Setoguchi
Just nine game ago, the masses were down on San Jose. Losers of six-straight, the Sharks didn't inspire much confidence from the media or their traditionally loyal fan-base. All hope was lost, the playoffs were slipping away and disappointment looked like it would arrive much earlier this year.
Oh, how a 8-0-1 stretch changes all that. The Sharks have once again emerged as contenders, sitting just one point behind Dallas for the all too familiar division lead which has eluded the team almost all season. How a strong stretch of games can change things.
Just seven games ago, the masses were willing to ship the young Devin Setoguchi away for any defenseman with a pulse. Forget Setoguchi being the cornerstone of a deal, at this point he's just a throw in as part of a bigger package for a one year rental past their prime. If Doug Wilson was sacrificing a bounty of meats, fruits and cheeses to the altar of Chris Phillips, Setoguchi would have been a single banana. The uber-talented prospect was much like your once valuable collection of Pokemon cards. Years ago, you wouldn't trade them for anything. Now, you're selling your whole binder at a yard sale for $3.50, packaged with a frisbee your dog bit through.
Oh, how a six game scoring streak changes all that. Setoguchi has once again emerged as a scoring threat, nearly doubling his season point total with eight points in his last six games. We at Fear the Fin never quite lost faith in the young forward, dismissing the comparisons between Setoguchi and Jonathan Cheechoo as they started to pop up with more frequency. Even last year, we defended Setoguchi and commented that a selling low was unwise. (While in the same breath knocking Ryane Clowe, who has shown himself to be one of the most valuable players on the roster. Sorry, Ryane.) That's not to say that Setoguchi's value is defined by the six game point streak, more that his play recently is justification of the praise we've given him over the years and a better indicator of things to come.
Don't just take our word for it. As we've said time and time again, Darren Dreger and Bob McKenzie of TSN are the end-all be-all when it comes to trade talk, and just yesterday Dreger commented on what it would take to acquire Setoguchi.
Because of long term injury relief, cap space is no longer a problem. However, if Shero hopes to lure players like Stephen Weiss from the Florida Panthers or pry a talented young forward like Devin Setoguchi from the San Jose Sharks (as examples), he will need to present a package of assets containing either a combination of a young roster player and high ranking draft pick, or a top prospect and draft picks.
In San Jose's case, assuming Sharks GM Doug Wilson is willing to consider moving Setoguchi, a young defenceman such as 25-year-old Alex Goligoski may have to be included.
May have to be included? Goligoski alone is a far cry from what many thought Setoguchi was worth just two weeks ago. Young, talented puck-moving defensemen don't come easily, especially ones signed for multiple years at affordable contracts. If Goligoski is being talked about as part of a package to acquire Setoguchi, Setoguchi's value is higher than we could have reasonably expected at any point over the course of the last two seasons.
Even further evidence of his value was shown today when Francois Beauchemin was traded to the Anaheim Ducks for Joffrey Lupul, Jake Gardiner and a conditional fourth-round pick. I'm not debating the skill of Gardiner, who I'm seeing today mentioned as a very solid prospect who skates well. Lupul, however, is an oft-injured, oft-traded forward who has never reached his potential or come close to earning his cap hit. $4.25MM for each of the next two seasons is a massive contract.
Although the Sharks and Setoguchi have been linked to Toronto, and more specifically Beauchemin, for months now, the deal struck by Anaheim shows that a deal of simply Setoguchi for Beauchemin would have been a massive overpayment.
Still, it leaves many in San Jose scratching their heads. Doug Wilson won't be tipping his hand to any possible deal, but defense is an obvious need. Is he in the market pursuing a trade? You bet he is. But it's going to take a lot more than Beauchemin to get him to part with the young, affordable and talented Devin Setoguchi.
Considering what's out there, I hope that Setoguchi isn't moved for anything less than equal worth, and I know almost all agree with me. We'll have more on Alex Goligoski as the week progresses, and we'll surely be talking about all the options during Thursday night's edition of the FTF Podcast.
For now, though, our advice remains the same. Don't read into the rumors too much; as Plank pointed out this morning, absolutely no one had Beauchemin headed to Anaheim before today. Also, don't worry about Setoguchi getting moved for a rental. At this point, we doubt that happens.
Instead, what's more likely is that Setoguchi stays with the team and continues to contribute to the offense. If he is moved, we assume it will be for a player akin to Goligoski: young, talented and affordable. Until something happens, though, no one is going to know much of anything. Setoguchi is going to be bandied about just because of his talent and easy to move contract. Since Wilson didn't pull the trigger on a move for Beauchemin, we're guessing it's going to take a lot more to pry Setoguchi away from the Sharks.
There are teams looking for players of Setoguchi's caliber out there. If any become too desperate, that's when we think Wilson will strike.
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Sounds like the defensman bubble has burst.
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Still hope for Chris Philips?
And since people seems to think Seto is too valueable now, who do we offer for a D-man of Beauchemin and Philips caliber?
I was actually reading “Anaheim Calling” yesterday and they were throwing around Beauchemin’s name about heading to Anaheim. Too bad they were right. Is Setoguchi too valueable for a Francois Beauchemin? Just with his latest 6 game streak? I’m a little skeptical but with the steak we’re on now, I won’t be too upset.
If we trade for Chris Philips
We offer nothing more than Torrey Mitchell, or else we’ve been fleeced. Philips is likely past his prime, and even a change of scenery may not turn him into the Shutdown Man we need. His numbers over the past few years are not as impressive as they should be considering the attention we’ve been giving him. He’s a bit like Rehger. He was important in getting his team to a Cup Final, but his reputation TODAY seems to be largely built on that.
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Phillips is not past his prime.
He’s 32 going on 33 next month and probably will be in this league for another 4-5 years. If you take a look at the Ottawa team overall, all of their numbers are down, Spezza, Alfredsson, etc. He’s is still a solid player, playing on a bad team with bad goaltending.
Im not sure why you consider Phillips’ numbers down a bad thing; its like saying Murray’s numbers are down. He is not expected to score, if he does, its more of a bonus.
I agree that the Sharks should be offering nothing more than a Torrey Mitchell and Jamie McGinn. What the Ducks gave away in terms of prospect, is compared to giving away Justin Braun. Gardiner was a top pick for the Ducks (17th overall) and is playing NCAA for WU, I think. However, with the Beauchemin the Ducks have the guy for an additional year, so its not really considered a rental player trade, Phillips would be.
My offer:
To Sharks:
Chris Phiilips
To Ottawa:
Derek Joslin
Torrey Mitchell
2011 4th rd. Pick
by OrangeJulius on Feb 9, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not talking about his offensive numbers
I’m talking about his defensive numbers according to the advanced stats. There’s a reason Ottawa and Calgary are shopping Philips and Rehger respectively. They’re trying to get value for them while they can. Philips is not the worst on the team, but he’s not producing for a guy playing his minutes.
I like your proposal, but if we are giving up a D-propsect in the trade (even if it is Joslin), I’d like Ottawa to send us back a lower round pick, but that’s really quibbling about chump change. The principle of the trade is fine.
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Well...
Wilson and his croonies have been good with those late round picks.
by OrangeJulius on Feb 9, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Phillips is eating hugely difficult minutes and has for years. You can safely throw him out there against top lines and expect good performance – tough minutes guys don’t become available all that often. Even if he’s not the player that he once was, he’s still pretty good on an Ottawa team that’s nearly bereft of forward talent once the contextual numbers are considered.
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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 9, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’d challenge the fact that hes pretty darn good still. His GA/60 numbers are quite pathetic, and he even drags down defensively inept guys such as Sergei Gonchar and Karlsson when looking at the GA/60 splits with and without him as a partner.
The guy is hovering around -30, is a pure rental, and is clearly past his prime. Let some other sap acquire him.
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I’m not going to hold Ottawa’s horrendous goaltending against Phillips, especially when there’s such strong variation in the sv% behind a player from year to year.
Toughest zone starts, toughest Corsi Rel QComp. 888 ES Sv% behind him. That’s hilariously low for an entire season, plus the team is only shooting at 7.19% in front of him. It’s no small wonder that he’s at -30 with those kinds of percentages in front of him.
He has to take the tough minutes and starts because everyone else on that team is far, far worse in their own end. That Corsi Rel number could be better, but that Corsi Rel QComp number is outrageously high. Low qualteam, high qcomp, more dzone starts than anyone else on the team, laughable goaltending behind him. Phillips can still play.
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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 9, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Trade 'em
I like the Volchenkov idea thats out there, now that he’s suspended it would be an even trade right? Im joking
If the Sharks can go undefeated this road trip then I say fuk a trade…
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see volchenkov as a shark. I wanted him from UFA day :( but alas…oh look some spilled milk i can cry about :)
by animadiversion on Feb 9, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Since the next four games are against Columbus, New Jersey, Florida and Nashville, I’d still expect a trade even if they go undefeated. With only one of those teams in the top 8 of their conference, those games won’t be representative of how the Sharks will fare playing playoff hockey against playoff caliber opponents.
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True, but trading this late in the season doesnt guarantee anything. Trades at the deadline are to bulster depth and is not a good time to get a top tier player where the team relays on heavy minutes and production from him. A month and a half is not enough time to develop either chemistry or system adaptation, both Campbell and Wallin are examples of that. I think the Sharks are better off with bringing up players from the AHL if they need it. Eager and Wellwood have rounded out the forwards very nicely and the teams shutdown play is working. Adding a new face while taking a peice that is use to the “WHY” the team plays the way it does at this time will be counter productive. Thats my onion anyway..
by sharkblood99 on Feb 9, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, if they win it wont be terribly indicative. However, if they get handled and beaten by these “inferior” outlying teams, that says quite a bit about the group of guys wearing teal.
by animadiversion on Feb 9, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
True, but on a long road trip you shouldn’t get too worried about things falling apart a bit near the end of the trip. I’m worried about tonight with Nemo playing his tenth in a row, and now back-to-back on the road. New Jersey has been beating everyone this past month, and Nashville might be too physical and defensively sound for the Sharks at the end of the trip.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t expect some wins, but I don’t know—maybe it’s just my nature to not expect to get spoiled for TOO long!
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I wonder if the Sharks could trade Seto and Mitchell for Goligoski, D'Agostino and a pick.
Or another prospect D-man somewhere in there.
I like D’Agostino because he’s not their flashiest prospect name, but from what I’ve heard he’s sound positionally and works hard. And he’s a 7th rounder. Sounds like a Sharks prospect already. I’d almost think we might pry Go-go and D’Agostino for just Seto, but adding Mitchell and a pick balances it slightly more in my mind (opens the way for Ferriero and McCarthy to return to the big team).
I should add that Goligoski, Burns, and maybe Volchenkov are really the only three guys that come to mind right away that I’m currently willing to give up Seto for.
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I might consider a package that included Hejda as well
But I think a lot of us are on the same page here.
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Burns and Volchenkov
Are not going anywhere. Sorry.
by OrangeJulius on Feb 9, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
However, if the Pens do get desperate Goligoski could be had. With Crosby and Malkin out for some time, their needs are a center, not a winger for an absent Crosby.
by OrangeJulius on Feb 9, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
They can have Marleau!
He’s a center!
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Burns I don't see going anywhere
I would have said the same of Volchenkov early in the season, but with the black hole they’re mired in, it seems like anything is possible when it comes to Jersey. It seems like it’d be worth making an offer to them at least. Minnesota is in conference and in contention, whereas NJ is other conference and clearly not in the playoff mix.
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NOOOOOOOO! You've ruined all my pretty, pretty dreams!
Oh wait. No. I can still hope teams make mistake trades to us while realistically believing they won’t. Crisis averted. And Seto stays on the team unless one of those mistake trades comes or the Pens see him as a useful part and want to give up Goligoski. Which is as I hope.
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The issue I see with any trade with Pittsburgh is there injury situation. Malkin is done for the year and Crosby is a mystery. If either one of those guys were healthy I could see the Pens being more likely to make a D for an F swap to aid one of those big 2 on the wing.
Also, another problem with Setoguchi’s trade stock rising is that he can now be traded for players with higher salaries. You may be asking yourself now, how is that a problem? The problem is this, trading Seto’s 1.8 million contract for a 4.0 + isn’t going to be a clean swap considering the cap space. A poisinous contract such as Huskins or Mitchell would have to be included to make the math work. That fact could throw a wrench into trade discussions.
On the positive side, if a Setoguchi for Goligoski type trade could be worked out, I’d like it because the math works, the assets are comprable and the Sharks trade from a strength and shore up a weakness.
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Huskins might be a poison pill to the cap
But I think we’re all a bit too harsh on Mitchell. He has youth on his side, plus some actual evidence that he could be a contributing hockey player.
Also, I know for sure Huskins’ contract is up, but isn’t Mitchell on his last year as well? These poison pill contracts DO expire, which is a selling point for teams that are also cap strapped.
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I mainly throw in Mitchell because his 1.3 million is the worst contract for a forward that the Sharks should consider trading. It’s more of a comment on the circumstances than Mitchell as a player.
Yes, both contracts do expire, which is a selling point. But the fact is, another GM could for whatever reason be turned off by the fact that they have to take money back in a trade, as oppose to salary dumping.
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So because of that...
I don’t think anyone will want him. Frankly, I don’t think other teams feel that he’s durable enough for that kind of money. If he was coming off of the books this year, that would be a different story (unless he’s a throw in?). Seto is likely to be dealt if we can get the right guy. Not sure Ottawa wants to get fleeced again? But Pittsburgh may be willing to deal? Although with Malkin and Crosby out, I’m not sure Pittsburgh is willing to mortgage the future for trying to win it now?
Sharks could easily trade a bad contract (Huskins, Mitchell) for cap room with Setoguchi. Both those deals expire after the season, so the team taking it only has 2 months of salary to pay.
I’m not sure these are “poison pills” anyway, as both contracts are sub-$2M. The problem with the Sharks cap is 4 guys making over $6.66M……
There is one of those four contracts I'd love to trade
But, movement clauses…
…sigh…
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I personally have no problem with our hgh end contracts
This is the first year than any of them have really underperformed, and the indicators for Marleau and Heatley suggest it is just variance in their shot %. Thornton is probably due to a focus on D and his wingers having down years.
Couture may be the MVP, but Boyle is the most irreplaceable person on the roster.
Players like Thornton, Heatley, Marleau, and Boyle are the cream of the crop… they entail high end talent, (mostly) consistent production year to year, and durability. That costs a premium as it is rare. I have more of a problem with Pavelski’s contract than theirs.
I dont know if I’d call it an easy thing to do. Throwing in a Huskins isn’t of value to an opposing GM, youre basically asking him to pay a guy for two months, something he may not have the go ahead to do if looking for a pure salary dump/pure asset acquisition deal. Is it an impossible feat? Not by any means, but you’re asking a GM to do you a favor when a more appealing package may be on the table.
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TRADE SETOGUCHI NOW
I wholeheartedly disagree with the FTF staff.
The Sharks should trade Setoguchi ASAP, before his value drops. Seto is a top 6 forward on a team with 6 top-6 forwards already locked up for next year and well, about 3 more years (because they will re-sign Couture).
Setoguchi will demand $3M+ next year as a RFA, there isn’t room for him up front unless somebody else goes. Personally, I like the top 6 of HTML, Pavs, Clowe, and Couture for the next however many years. Setoguchi is too inconsistent for this team and just doesn’t help us that much.
I still question whether Setoguchi can land a top-4 D-man, but with the injuries in the Eastern Conference to Top 6 forwards (Boston, Pitt)… it could happen. Sharks should take advantage and pull the trigger if the situation presents itself.
I see your point
But if any of those six struggle at all, it’s nice to have a guy like Setoguchi available to easily step into that role.
Just food for thought, though like I said, I completely see your point.
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Seto demand?!
Based off of what numbers? The only way Setoguchi is going to demand $3M+ is if he finishes with 20+ goals or 40 points. And he has a spectacular playoff run. He will probably get another 1 year deal before he enters his UFA.
by OrangeJulius on Feb 9, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
With secondary scoring as common an issue for us as anything else, it’s not so easy. Especially given the fact that Setoguchi is on the upswing, while HT & M are at the last years of their respective peaks.
Based on this trade for Beauchemin today, it won’t take Setoguchi to grab a rental defenseman. I’m wholeheartedly against that type of move. If you can move Setoguchi for a long term defensive piece, that’s different.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 9, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, but the Sharks don’t have the cap room to take on a true rental player anyway.
Plus, like it or not, the Sharks are married to HTM, Pavs, Clowe, and Couture. One of them would have to leave at some point to keep Seto. Personally, I like all 6 of those guys better than Seto, now and for the next 3 years.
I’d love to see Setoguchi traded for Goligoski or a Hjalmarsson or someone of that ilk. Setoguchi may not have even been re-signed if they pulled off the Hjalmarsson thing.
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Dont make me bust out youtube and make a “leave marleau alone video” akin to the “leave Britney alone”
by animadiversion on Feb 9, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I might cry if I hear another Marleau attack.
Even if he kind of deserves it this year.
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Goligoski's numbers are fantastic
I didn’t realize, he’s a +19 with 9 goals and 19 assists. I’d give them Ferriero and Seto right NOW! I don’t see the Pens moving him for that, but I like to dream…
With a Mitchell trade, the Sharks could acquire pretty much any one.
Also, Couture is the only one whose contract demands would force a Setoguchi move, and that’s not until next offseason. Holding on to Setoguchi and his low contract isn’t hurting anything really.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 9, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think he's worth that much...
He’s had a bad year and is currently making $1.8 mill this year. After that he becomes a RFA, so we get to match any offer. If he’s moved this year, at least we get something back, where as he could walk for nothing next year. If DW believes that this team is close, he might pull the trigger, as HTML’s clock is ticking.
I agree it’d be nice to have Setoguchi, but with three $7M/year forwards, you may have to sacrifice some depth up front to get the depth on the blue line that is so desperately needed.
Sharks have plenty of forward options in Worcester, but lack D options (Braun? maybe). Plus, say they hang onto Wellwood for $1-$1.5M per, he could fill in the Top 6 as needed.
BTW
How do you think the Maple Leaf fans are feeling today? Wow! We get Lupul! And all we had to do was give up a good defenseman to get him. How is Brian Burke allowed to keep his job? What if Doug Wilson missed the playoffs 6 years in a row? I think we’d be calling for his head on a platter. Perhaps if their fans stop supporting the team, then ownership might find a GM who can get them over? Maybe he has pictures of ownership in compromising positions? Bad visual, sorry.
Toronto fans are thrilled
The prospect they got is apparently Kaberle’s replacement. They had depth on D anyway, and knew they weren’t going to make the playoffs. They believe in the short term, their D will get worse, but they have some flexibility on their third line, and in the long run, they’re better on D.
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Burke is still trying to restock the farm after JFJ emptied it. Granted, overpaying for Kessel hurt, but in the long run, he’s gotten rid of a lot of the bad contracts that Ferguson had Toronto buried under.
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Now he's got one more in Lupul.
I think that team is terrible and will remain bad for several years to come (at a minimum).
On another note, what about Seto for Hejda straight up? The money works and Columbus has 8 d-men right now?
Tempting
But I think some of Columbus’s d is injured, and they’re only 4 points out. And he’s a cornerstone type piece. I think we’d have to offer more, and it makes me think twice.
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No way is Hejda worth Setoguchi straight up. NO. WAY.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 9, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
You think CLB would have to throw in more? Hejda’s pretty darned good, and would slot into our top pairing right away. Although he is a UFA at the end of the year…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 9, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
UFA with diminishing skill for a top six prospect who has scored 30 goals in his sophmore season.
Hejda’s advanced numbers aren’t there this season, defensively. And if people are talking about Setoguchi being able to attract the likes of Goligoski, Hejda doesn’t do it.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 9, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t looked at his advanced number this year, to be honest. I just remember him being, as recently as this offseason, a top pairing guy we should look at acquiring. The UFA status is what concerns me the most. I still think Hejda with Boyle at 5 on 5, and in place of Wallin/Huskins/whoever on the PK would be an pretty substantial improvement for the team as a whole. Although, I agree, if Seto can fetch Goligoski, then Hejda doesn’t measure up to that. But a Seto for Hejda (plus a pick or something) trade wouldn’t irritate me too much…assuming Hejda doesn’t walk at the end of the season.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 9, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Hejda isn’t the kind of player we need this year. Last year, with Blake, a defensive stopper was what this team needed. Without Blake, the Sharks lack the offensive production as well as the shut down role. As such, it’s probably better to get a guy who brings a little of both.
Hejda, as an over-30 UFA with declining skill, would be a waste of Setoguchi’s value.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 9, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
OK, fair enough. That makes sense. And I’ve kind of been on the “we need an offensive minded defenseman” train for quite a while now…so a Goligoski type player I think would be perfect for us. Hejda had just stuck in my mind from last season…and his cap hit for this season is absorbable.
But Seto being so young, an older UFA D man, you are right, is probably a waste of his trade value…especially in light of the Beauchemin trade.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 9, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
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Wasn’t it Burke who signed Komisarek? That is a horrible contract for large coin, and he probably won’t be movable. I don’t think Phaneuf is the answer either when you consider what he’s making. I’ve read many Toronto blogs, and to a member, they all hate Brian Burke and Ron Wilson. They want them out!
They want everyone out
It happens when you’re terrible. Burke did sign Komisarek and overpay for Kessel. The nice thing about being a rich club is you can bury Komisarek in the minors, and continue to be awful to get better draft picks in the future!
You can get rid of the GM and the coach, but it doesn’t change the fact that the team is young and just not good enough up front.
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
I am feeling great today
I couldn’t care less about Lupul. Burke did this trade for Jake Gardiner, he even admitted Lupul is overpaid. If Lupul plays as bad as I think he will he will end up playing for the Marlies before long and his cap hit will be off the books.
I personally didn’t think we would be able to get anything more than a 2nd round pick for Beauchemin.
by Brad Ackerson on Feb 9, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
There have been some bold comments made today.
Fear the Fin: "I've always said that if you don't have the motivation within you... It's not Doug Wilson's job to motivate me. I've got motivation within myself, especially going through some of the experiences that I had last year." - Nick Petrecki
Seriously
I wasn’t ready for such intensity today. It’s like staring into Brian Wilson’s beard for too long—you’ll go blind.
The principal supporting business now is rage. -- Richard Hugo
How about this
Tomorrow, the sky will be blue
Water is wet
Corey Perry is a douche
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
I don’t know if the joke landed, something is up with SBN for me and everything is formatted in bold.
Fear the Fin: "I've always said that if you don't have the motivation within you... It's not Doug Wilson's job to motivate me. I've got motivation within myself, especially going through some of the experiences that I had last year." - Nick Petrecki
by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 9, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oh,
Well, I was playing at a similar joke. I formatted all of my statements there to be bold.
I’ve had no formatting issues today.
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
A douche
Who is at the top of the league in goals away from home this year. At least you spelled him name correctly though :o)
His goal scoring doesn't change the fact that he's a douche
And his doucheiness doesn’t prevent him from scoring lots of goals
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
Weird, weird SBN Formatting in this thread. Someone must have forgotten to close their bold tag in some formatting somewhere…
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
The Jody Shelley of FearTheFin's Mod Squad.
Tweet Tweet.
by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 9, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m still kinda new, tried bolding something, i think i jacked it up.
"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn
"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93
Yeah…and unfortunately no one can go back and edit their posts. It happens.
Not sure what you did to try and bold it…but for future reference, if you just type everything you want to say, and then highlight the text you want bolded and THEN push the B (bold) button, the tags will tend to show up in the right places then. It gets sketchy when you push the B button before typing what you want bolded.
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
The Jody Shelley of FearTheFin's Mod Squad.
Tweet Tweet.
by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 9, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, you called it, I did the bolding before i typed out my post.
Next time, I’ll try to not ruin the comments, no promises though.
"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn
"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93
I did delete your comment
If something ever DOES go wrong, just let a mod know. Deleting the comment appears to be sufficient for fixing the problem. You can always go and re-comment. No big deal.
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
It was this guy

He breaks things
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
Two minutes of Matt Cooke cheap shots
http://deadspin.com/#!5756271
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
I'm on the Twitters
2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
For anyone having formatting issues
Refresh the thread and see if things are better.
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
Sweet.
Did you go delete the comment screwing it up?
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
The Jody Shelley of FearTheFin's Mod Squad.
Tweet Tweet.
by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 9, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I did
Being drunk with power is fun!
GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
What Jay Leach is to the San Jose Shark's Defense, I am to Fear The Fin's Mod Squad.
Yeah…that’s the only way I know of to fix a problem like that. Just a simple open bold tag (or italics) is sufficient to screw up a whole thread. Good call.
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
The Jody Shelley of FearTheFin's Mod Squad.
Tweet Tweet.
by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 9, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
No preview thread?
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
I'm on the Twitters
2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
Hey Mr. Plank...
are you still high on Robyn Regehr as you were last season? I haven’t watched him much this season and am curious.
Dear Sharks, do better, try harder.
Check out last week’s podcast… we discuss him at length.
Fear the Fin: "I've always said that if you don't have the motivation within you... It's not Doug Wilson's job to motivate me. I've got motivation within myself, especially going through some of the experiences that I had last year." - Nick Petrecki
by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 9, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Whenever I talk about the Sharks, I talk about a pattern I have noticed since I was a kid. The Sharks have 2 season methods:
1) Come out really strong and pwn everyone, screw it up a bit in the middle, then make a strong run into the playoffs (followed by choking in the playoffs).
or
2) Come out kind of shotty, then pick it up around the all-star break through the end of the season (followed by choking in the playoffs).
The life of a Sharks fan… Love my team.
by Brian Baumgartner on Feb 9, 2011 4:11 PM PST reply actions
I know I'm late to the party
but I would take Goligoski in a heartbeat if he were available. Sending over Seto and getting prospects/picks plus Goli would be more than acceptable in my mind. Dude is fairly solid defensively, and is a PP specialist. Could probably spell Boyle and relieve him of some of his minutes.

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