Vancouver stomps San Jose 7-3 in Game Two
by Mr. Plank on May 18, 2011 11:12 PM PDT
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In retrospect, probably should have held off writing an article about the Sharks penalty kill until after game two.
Vancouver's power play went 3 for 7 on the night, including a pair of beauties from the Sedin line, putting the game out of reach in the third period. The Canucks would go on to score four times in that fateful third, cementing San Jose's 2-0 series deficit after Daniel Sedin put home a pass from brother Henrik at the 11:41 mark of the third period.
Logan Couture had a brilliant move to open up the scoring, taking a nice chip pass from Dany Heatley as he drove middle to the net. Going forehand, backhand, and back to the forehand again, Couture slammed home the puck past Roberto Luongo to give the Sharks a 1-0 lead two and half minutes into the tilt.
The lead wouldn't last for long however, as Vancouver would come roaring back at the mid-period mark. Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin played tic tac toe in the high slot with the Sharks defense scrambling, leading to a smart shot that just managed to squeeze under the blocker arm of Niemi. A mere thirty nine seconds later the Canucks would strike again as Christian Ehrhoff jumped into the play and executed a nice centering pass to find the increasingly dangerous Raffi Torres in front of the net for the goal.
San Jose would even the score before the end of the first, with Patrick Marleau banging home a loose puck in front of Roberto Luongo that held up due to video review.
The first period was an up and down affair for both clubs as scoring chances were traded with abandon throughout. The Sharks were counterpunching well and, outside of the ever dangerous Canucks blueline's ability to lead the rush and activate in the offensive zone (Christian Ehrhoff in particular, whose assist tonight was matched only by his assist on the Henrik Sedin's GWG in game one), looked to be able to hang with Vancouver.
The first half of the second period started off at a slow and manageable pace, something that San Jose will undoubtedly try to re-enact in HP Pavilion on Friday night. But midway through the third period the tides began to shift-- following a TV timeout the Canucks began to push the play, ringing a pair of shots off the post. The third time would be the charm for Vancouver however, with this play ultimately signaling the end of San Jose's game two opportunity to get back into the game.
On an innocent looking breakout that had the Sharks and Canucks both completed with their line changes moments before, Dan Hamhuis waited behind the net with the puck. Sending the puck up to Chris Higgins at the blueline, the entire Sharks unit overpursued that first outlet pass in the neutral zone, leaving a wide open hole on the far side that Bieksa jumped into as Marleau and Setoguchi allowed him to hit the center line with speed. Bieksa took the tape to tape pass on his stick and cruised into the Sharks zone unmolested, rifling a shot past Niemi to give Vancouver a 3-2 lead.
The Canucks wouldn't look back.
Recapping that third period is actually considered a felony in 47 states so here are some bullet points on all of the relevant material leading into game three:
- Ben Eager's performance tonight likely earned him a trip to the press box for the rest of the postseason. Although Sharks Head Coach Todd McLellan defended Eager after the game-- according to Dan Rosen, McLellan liked Eager's effort and didn't think he crossed the line-- I have to respectively disagree with that analysis. Eager is a good player who brings a lot of energy to the team when he's not taking bad penalties, but when he's taking bad penalties (and has a long history of doing so), that kind of stuff is going to kill you.
- Eager's two minute boarding call at the end of the second period was one half step away from being a five minute major (and just as well could have been), his tripping penalty at 6:57 came in the neutral zone at a point in the game where that sort of play effectively ends San Jose's chances to win the game, and his post-goal antics with Roberto Luongo in the final minutes of the third were head scratching. After scoring a goal, cutting the deficit to a mere four goals with 2:23 left on the clock, Eager raises his hands above his head and lets out an audible whoop before trash talking Roberto Luongo who was lying in the crease. At the end of the clip you see Ian White skating up to him and touching his shoulder as if to say, "Come on man let's get going", but Eager wouldn't budge.
- It's unfair to blame tonight's loss on Eager-- the entire team looked beaten following Bieksa's goal in the second period and stopped moving their feet-- but there seemed to be a disconnect in those final minutes. I'm not in the room right now, I can't tell you the vibe. But Eager's actions appeared to be a glorification of a personal success (scoring a goal) despite his personal struggles (taking penalties).
- Patrick Marleau's fight with Kevin Bieksa was excellent to see. Although Bieksa won the fight handily (and displayed an anger face that Cal Lightman would have a field day with), that's a good bout for a variety of reasons. For starters, Marleau drops the gloves first against a bigger opponent who he has to figure is going to give him some good shots-- that's leadership. Secondly, although Marleau is clearly an important player for San Jose, I think I take the trade off of top pairing defenseman for top line forward. Bieksa was a man possessed tonight and getting him off the ice for five is a net gain for San Jose.
- Going along with that, San Jose's top line is really the only one who has been consistent this entire series. The second line was a dud in game one, the third line has been ineffective throughout, but there's not much you can speak ill of when it comes to the top line. Joe Thornton has been magnificent in all facets of the game, Marleau is skating well, and while I think it's safe to say Devin Setoguchi can be much better than he has been, he still hasn't looked completely out of place when the cycle is going.
- Probably have to toss Logan Couture in there as well. Although the second line as a whole hasn't been much to write home about, Couture has been making plays and generating offense nearly on his own.
- The blueline is a hot mess without Jason Demers right now but after reviewing some tape, Kent Huskins hasn't looked as bad as you would expect him to be after missing two months and making his first postseason experience on the road against the Presidents' Trophy winners.
- That being said, it goes without saying (the beginning of this sentence is weird) that Demers clearly makes the blueline better. Considering McLellan has him out of the lineup on the biggest stage this postseason, you have to figure the injury is more serious than a couple bumps and bruises. Hopefully he can gear up for game three.
- After a whooping like this the hope is that getting embarrassed in the third period for the second straight game lights a fire under San Jose. I'd expect them to come out and play their best game of the series on Friday, but against the Canucks (and the Red Wings), if both teams bring their A games we're dealing with a coin flip.
- Antti Niemi got shelled tonight but it's hard to hang much of it on him. You go with him in game three no question-- he's kept the Sharks in the game for nearly the entire series.
- A lot of talk before the series about San Jose's forward depth being better than Vancouver's, but right now, you realize why the games aren't played on paper. I'm sure in someone's basement right now two guys are playing an RPG and San Jose is up 2-0 in this series.
- The Sedin Twins have finally come alive. They're putting on an absolute show right now. While the majority of people here are probably going to scream for my head because of this statement, if you're a hockey fan you have to appreciate that. They're proving the doubters in the media wrong and proving why they deserved two straight Hart Trophy nominations.
- It's time for San Jose to prove the doubters wrong on Friday night.
- Before tonight's game we called this as close to a must-win as possible, and after tonight's performance, game three brings with it San Jose's season on the line. The stakes are too high to think a team could blow a 3-0 series lead again at this juncture. Game three should (and will) be approached as such by the team.
- Rough seas right now to be certain.
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So, so sick of being the spectator to other team’s coming out parties.
I don’t get this team. At all.
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How is no one talking about this?
A pattern has developed that, correct me if I am wrong, no one seems to be talking about. This pattern is that of back-to-back goals. This is something I have noticed throughout this post season and only just now went back and checked out.
I went through every game we have played this postseason and looked for goals that the opponent has scored on the sharks within 2 minutes of eachother. My finding wasn’t striking, because I was expecting it. In SIX separate games we have given up back-to-back goals for a total of 7 different times. That is 14 goals! (I know you can count—sorry). This type of momentum swing is huge and has greatly affected our performance and ability to, come back in a game or stay ahead in a game. We have lost 5 out of 6 games where this has happened, the exception being, our incredible comeback to beat LAK 6-5 in OT.
I can speculate all I want about why this is happening, but when it comes down to it, it needs to stop. Is this mental toughness or lack there of? Is this simply great play by our opponents? Is it goaltending, defense, forwards? Or all of the above? Not that a finger needs to be pointed at all.
Regardless, our last two losses to vancouver were subject to 2 point swings by the opponnent, which, while they outplayed us for nearly all of both games, are huge momentum swings that our team (including against DET) cannot seem to rebound back from. Lets get rid of this, and maybe we wont blow our next early game lead.
Never lose faith, lets go sharks!
by Cloweture on May 19, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand what Eager was doing either
We need to take the next two at the tank
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The was not Eager. The was a bug wearing an Eager suit.
Ohhh no, that’s an EDGAR suit, my mistake
by angled on May 19, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
bndlsfkjgvskfdjgvlsfdv
thats basically how i feel right now.
Definitely havent given up hope for this series, but damn, that was a tough loss. Now we go back SJ and get our shit together!
And TM, can you please get braun in? Even though Huskins hasnt been THAT bad, i would love to see the future blueliner and see how he holds up in his second playoff game.
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Nope
Don’t think anybody should be calling for your head. If we’re doing serious analysis and leaving the emotion out of it, it’s simple…the Canucks are playing good hockey, and we’re not. We were getting used to 3rd period, shall we call them, “slumps”. But this was a catastrophic collapse fueled by a long string of dumb penalties. There wasn’t much we did right in the third.
Eager's performance was a symptom
not the cause. Frustration about getting beaten, and about parts of the team not showing up hit the least mature player on the team the hardest. TMac isn’t going to bench him. He’s going to point out that he was the only guy that showed any heart, and the rest of the team hung him out to dry.
BTW, I’m guessing that Eager’s chirping may have been about the way Bobby Lou went down like HE was shot, trying to draw the interference call. But we’ll never know.
by psantangeli on May 18, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Luongo crumpled because Eager hit him with an elbow in the mask and shoved a skate into his crotch at the same time. I was surprised that the goal stood, since it seemed like the collision was what sent the puck over the line, not the initial deflection. I imagined Eager starting some sort of pleasant conversation relating to how Luongo seemed to enjoy a man between his pads.
If Eager plays in game 3, TM and Jumbo may have quite a bit of locker room chemistry to fix. I did not see the icy reception that Versus reported after Eager went back to the bench after the goal on his tripping penalty, but he was completely ignored by everyone on the bench as he left for the locker room after his strange goading of Lapierre at the end of the third.
You guys really thought Luongo embellished THAT one?
Eager ran into him, plain and simple. It’s arguable since the puck seems to have gone into the net before the initial contact was made, so the goal stood, which I can agree with, but if you somehow think Eager was chirping Lu because he thought Lu was embellishing that one, you need to take off those homer glasses.
I have no doubt Eager was probably chirping him about how Chicago used to kick our asses, and his buddy Byfuglien owned him or something or the other.
As a Vancouver fan, I’d love to see Eager play in Game 3. Yes, he’s agitating, he’s a big body, and yes, he can be a positive help to the Sharks, but he can just as easily take a penalty that kills your team. He’s too much of a risk to torpedo your chances in any given shift.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
When even your goalie dives, tells you about the rest of the team.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 19, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You thought he dove?
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Looked like it to me to get the penalty shot.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 19, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
agree on so many points
Though it’s disappointing that taking Marleau and Bieksa off the ice is seen as benefiting the Sharks. It’s too bad that whatever energy may have resulted from the fight was washed out by the boarding call.
Vancouver needs to get slapped down though. We all know that if the Sharks were up 2-0 they’d still be sweating about losing the series (and FTF would still feature its fair share of predictions of doom). If there is any justice, the swagger that Vancouver is developing will come back to haunt them. But then, they have every reason to be super confident. It’s not like they’ve ever given up a series lead…
Because
In the post game interviews, guys like Torres said “its far from over, they have too good a team over there”…and Lapierre said similar complementary things about Clowe. even after he was called a “coward” by him.
Of course Bieksa won the fight, but Eager called him a “phony and a coward that won’t fight anyone”, when it was Marleau that pretty well forced him to go ( admirable by Patty to try and jumpstart his team, if Eager was not so dumb as to take a run at a Hart Trophy nom )
I thought it was going to be close, and a good game in the third, but Eager saw clear to avoid THAT!
The guy in the room that talked about not enough effort and being “embarrassed” was Couture. That kid was the one displaying leadership and saying what needed to be said. I am not sure what the belligerence of Clowe and especially Eager was supposed to do.
Just the opposite viewpoint. Not going to argue about it here. But I had to say something when its Vancouver’s players being chastised for having “swagger” after a 7-3 game where a good chance for your team was ruined by Eager’s selfishness.
Its only two games. Far from over. But the guys in that room would be well advised to follow Couture’s words and not Clowe’s.
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Both veterans might want to consider taking a page out of Couture's playbook and leave the name-calling for behind closed doors."You lose 7-3, not many people play well," said the 22-year-old. "It's embarrassing, that's the only word that comes to mind about tonight". Logan showing Eager and Clowe about maturity after 7-3 loss 5/19/11
Two games in a row the Sharks players have sounded classless after the loss
And two games in a row the Canucks players have said the same things about respecting the Sharks and how the series is far from over.
The only exception has been Couture who has accurately placed the blame on himself and his teammates for not playing well enough to win. If Boyle, Clowe, and Eager followed his example they’d be getting a lot more respect right now, but as it is they just sound like sore losers.
Boyle just said what was on his mind and I have no problem with that – the Canucks really are good at the head snap to draw a penalty thing!
Eager is Eager, he’s always been this way and I really don’t know why anyone cares what he says after a game.
Clowe was accurate in his comment as well. Lapierre went after Couture, Clowe came in and challenged him and he skated away. It’s fine, Lapierre doesn’t have to fight, but if he’s going to go after a rookie he should expect a response. Clowe wears his heart on his sleeve and he’s struggling on the ice right now. He’s just letting off some steam.
Just because the Canucks have finally decided to take the high road doesn’t mean it’s always been that way. Bieska, Burrows, Kesler – they’ve all said the same things in the past.
Yup. No doubt about it. They’ve all been little bitches on the ice before, but this is what the fans have been hoping for. They have all grown up and are leading the way for our team. We can’t ask for much more than that!
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way, that Couture guy. What a stud. If you guys don’t want him… send him right over.
Such maturity for a “rookie”. He’s a keeper for years to come. Congrats on yet another fine product from the farm.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
lol No we want him.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know much about Skinner
But this Couture kid is a leader at his young age too.
Jealous as heck about him. He is very good.
The thing about Kes…Burr, et al Milan, is that the team went to all the “talkers” and basically said STFU. It was management. We have watched Kes and Burr, two of the bigger talkers, just walk away all year long.
So, when some tell us about being the same, its sorta last year’s news, you know?
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
I know I'm just complaining, but I truly need to know the answer
Why was Eager out there so often in the 3rd? After the bonehead penalty that carried over after the 2nd, you’d figure he’d be sitting on the bench and letting the top three lines try to tie the game. Instead, they let him on the ice several times and he takes a terrible slew foot penalty (which he won’t even admit was a penalty!). And then, after the Canucks score to make it 4-2, McLellan takes out the Pavelski line for an offensive faceoff and puts Eager in again! Of course with the Sedins going up against the 4th line, they cycled with ease and scored.
Was Eager being sent out there over and over again, despite his obvious detriment, a way of giving up on the game? I just don’t understand it.
And also, I agree that the Sedins have found their game and are a force, but most of their “show” was when they were matched up against the 4th line. So I’m not exactly handing out awards for it.
James Brady got it right. Eager being sent out there was basically T-Mac’s way of keeping his star guys out of a lost cause.
You guys were basically rolling out the third/4th lines in the 4th period once the game got out of hand. Which made a ton of sense. (Eager taking those penalties, however, did not).
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyone care to speculate...
… on who TMac had in mind when he was talking about passengers? I’ll throw a name out there – Torrey Mitchel. I think I heard his name mentioned once the whole game.
Ill throw a name out there
Joe Pavelski. I only heard his name when he was getting abused by Raffi Torres, which was a lot.
Versus was praising his faceoff skills in the first half of the game, but yeah, he disappeared later on.
by CK Sharks Fan on May 19, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
wellwood? he got dropped to the 4th line early
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by SharksFanTillDeath on May 19, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
what pissed me off even more than the loss
was ben eager. i was honestly embarrassed to have him in teal when he scored that goal, celebrated like an ass and then talked shit to luongo. his game was awful today and I hope he is out of the lineup next game because that was pathetic.
with that said, im also incredibly disappointed in the way we came out in this game and executed. i’m not going to start saying the series is over or anything, but we definitely put ourselves in a bad spot now.
by tealstherealdeal92 on May 18, 2011 11:55 PM PDT reply actions
worked at my dad's restaurant tonight
i watched while i worked but that basically means I saw just snippets of the game. A few things I noticed:
1. Where was our defense? We looked really bad, especially that goal by Rome
2. I don’t blame this on Niemi by any means, but he wasn’t solid tonight.
3. I really really don’t like eager now. MOst of us here at FTF knew this was the way he played but I’m sure we all hoped he would change. I liked him better when he was getting 5 min a night. I don’t care how you slice it, you don’t take that many penalties in the 3rd against an extremely dangerous team on the PP in game 2 of the WCF. Completely unacceptable. I’m looking forward to game 3 in our building. GO Sharks
BLEED TEAL
Eager didnt lose it for the Sharks.
The game was over after Bieksa scored.
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, OJ, I had an eerie feeling after that goal that the game was over. I stayed with it and it proved to be prophetic. Why did that goal make our guys unable to do anything right after that?? There was plenty of time left.
Patty decided to get his ass clobbered and nobody rallied around it. It was his man(Bieksa) that scored that 3rd goal. The Sharks were outplayed in the second period and had little zone time in Vancouver’s end. Then the awful tripping call on Eager that led to the 4 goal iced the game.
Besides most players know that you cant give up 3 goals and expect to always win. Niemi really has to be MUCH stronger and steal a game in order for the Sharks to advance. 3+ GAA is not going to win a Stanley Cup.
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The momentum was killed when Eager decided to drill Dank into the boards. That was the back-breaker, really. It killed all the momentum generated by Marleau.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
It was the tripping penalty, I thought.
But in a 7-3 loss, a lot of points could be considered the backbreaker. In the end, the backbreaker was really when the clock read 0:00 at the end of the 3rd period and the Sharks had less goals than the Canucks.
not saying he is the reason we lost
but he sure as hell took away any chance at gaining momentum late in the game. and i don’t care how bad a team seems like they’re playing, being down 1 goal halfway through the hockey game should never mean the end of the game
BLEED TEAL
Pav's face told me everything i needed to know
After eager was talking trash to luongo labs came and pushed him out of the net. He was the most upset I’ve ever seen him and clearly didn’t care about the goal.
I’m clearly reading this differently than you guys but my take is that eager went off the reservation and I don’t expect him back. The way eager threw his arms up and not one other player did was telling as well. There are certain things that a coach can’t tolerate and one of those is violating the trust.
Clearly eager was on ice at the end to keep the big guys off ice and prevent injuries. All he had to do was help close out the game and instead he made a bunch of very selfish plays.
If it was me I would have put him on a commercial flight home and told him to stay home tomorrow.
He violated the trust. The only reason the team might be able to rebound from this is if they can manage to hang together and trust in each other. The team can’t trust him and they shouldn’t.
I could be wrong…
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by TheBigPavelski on May 19, 2011 12:37 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Eager showed up, where has Pavelski been?
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone else tired of the entire hockey world being against you?
I’ll tell you why the Sharks are frustrated…it is because they have no chance of winning a series that no one wants them to win. They are playing the refs and Vancouver. I have never in my life heard such an embarrassingly lopsided commentary. Even more annoying, people tend to agree with what announcers say, like they have some special dispensation from the hockey gods to reveal facts. These guys are a$$ clowns that want Vancouver to win so badly it is ridiculous. Well guess what: So do the referees. Ask Nashville what they think. It is easy to win when you are always on the power play. There have been so many blown offside calls when the Sharks are in a dominant scoring position it is flat-out comical. Of course, there are bad calls on both sides, but the benefit of the doubt has been squarely in Vancouver’s favor. It happened in the Detroit series as well…holding, hooking, interference, etc. were the order of the day. Joe Thornton gets absolutely mugged when he has the puck. Do you know how many times he has been high-sticked with no call this year? And many of them are off of face-offs when the ref is standing right there. Now everyone is calling him a cheap artist when all he does is the same thing everyone else does…embellish the sh*t out of a play. Except that when Vancouver does it, it is a smart hockey play and when the Sharks do it they are cheap. Which brings me back to the subject line. Vancouver is just so “magical” that they are earning their embellishments and the Sharks are just losers that don’t deserve the respect of a fair game. If I were Doug Wilson, I would go tell Bettman to go screw himself. The only reason no one in the organization is saying anything is because they don’t want it to get worse. If you want to call me whiner, go ahead. I know what I see: It is predictable and verifiable on tape.
by Multiple Cells on May 19, 2011 12:37 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
curious about the rules...
When Jumbo got hit with the stick, the linesman was staring right at it, and it almost looked like he flinched. Clearly he knew what had happened. Does the linesman have any authority to intervene? Can he raise his arm like a soccer associate referee to indicate that the referee should make the call?
no
linesman can only call too many men penalties. One of the refs would have to see the high stick.
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Linesman cannot make the penalty call
but, the linesman can signal a ref to make a penalty call.
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Isn't there a weird a rule about a linesman being able to call a high-sticking double minor
at the next whistle? I remember against the Kings maybe (last year?) that the next whistle was an LA goal, and they waved it off and gave the Sharks a 4 minute PP because the linesman saw a high stick that drew blood that the refs didn’t.
aha
The Linesman must report upon completion of play, any circumstances pertaining to:
(i) Major penalties
Rule 20
(ii) Match penalties
Rule 21
(iii) Misconduct penalties
Rule 22
(iv) Game Misconduct penalties
Rule 23
(v) Abuse of Officials
Rule 39
(vi) Physical Abuse of Officials
Rule 40
(vii) Unsportsmanlike Conduct
Rule 75
(viii) Double-minor penalty when it is apparent that an injury has resulted from a high-stick that has gone undetected by the Referees
Rule 60
Should a Linesman witness a foul (above) committed by an attacking player or goalkeeper (undetected by the Referees) prior to the attacking team scoring a goal, the Linesman shall report what he witnessed to the Referees, the goal shall be disallowed and the appropriate penalty assessed.
I remembered this during the game, and was screaming at my TV. So I believe the next whistle was the first intermission. I was convinced we were going to have a 4minute PP to start the 2nd. I was so mad. Could have completely changed the game.
by racsan on May 19, 2011 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I totally agree with you!
In the Detroit series there were 2 too-many-men-on-the-ice penalties that were NOT called, one of them led to a GWG. In tonight’s game there were 2 highsticking non-calls that drew blood and weren’t called. These penalties if called would have resulted in at least one goal (based on our pp goals %) and that would have changed the tone of the game. Everyone is acting like it’s all the Sharks fault that we took penalties.
Even if they resulted in no goals, 8 minutes of PP time would have shifted momentum a bit. This is where the Nucks have been getting every ounce of their momentum.
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I completely agree
The Sharks are getting worked right now in the third period, obviously. There is no doubt about that, but the Canucks are also being handed huge momentum swings and the Sharks are being denied their rightful ones. Game 1, the Canucks are swarming in the third with the game tied, and the Sharks just need to settle things down and get some possession. Torres runs into Heatley’s forearm and falls to the ground in pain. Obvious embellishment that turns into the game-breaking powerplay and goal Vancouver needed. You know how much of a dive that was? EVEN THE VS ANNOUNCERS CALLED IT A DIVE YESTERDAY!
Game 2… 8 minutes of power play time completely missed! We are not talking about holding calls, we are talking about high sticks that caused visible bleeding. How those are missed, I have no idea. The points in the game that those occurred would have been huge momentum shifts for the Sharks. Up 1 to 0, a 4 minute powerplay tilts the ice in San Jose’s favor and we most likely leave the first up 2 to 0. Tied 2 to 2, a 4 minute powerplay gives the Sharks the ability to start pressing again- and it is completely denied as Jumbo walks off the ice with blood dripping down his face.
Are the Sharks losing composure and not playing very well- absolutely. Has Vancouver been the better team- yes. But the momentum that Vancouver has been given from very questionable calls and non-calls has been immense.
I couldn't agree more.
You nailed it. Eight minutes of PP is a HUGE factor in ANY game.
by Multiple Cells on May 19, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree.
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by Mr. Plank on May 19, 2011 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s no conspiracy. The Sharks were outplayed, and the team that carries play gets the calls, both in the game with the refs and in the broadcast booth.
The Canucks have been faster and had control of the puck more. That’s how you draw penalties.
The media “bias” that you’re annoyed by is them making what they’re watching into a story. If the Sharks marched into Vancouver and outplayed the Canucks to take a 2-0 lead, the story would be about how the Sharks were shaking THEIR playoff ghosts off. But instead, it’s the Canucks rolling, and the media is talking about that.
IF the Sharks hold serve at home and it heads back to Vancouver, the media story’s going to be different.
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I agree, there’s no conspiracy and that the team that carries the play usually gets the calls. But you have to admit – 2 high sticking calls that drew blood in the game and both go uncalled is a little bit of a problem in the reffing department.
by milanahalek on May 19, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s hockey, though. Given how we played, it didn’t affect the outcome. Good teams overcome the setbacks.
We’ve played one decent game in the last 6. Not nearly good enough, and a lot like the team we were in January, when DW called us “reactive.”
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I didn’t say it had any effect on the outcome on the game or that the Sharks played well, they didn’t – in fact, they pretty much sucked in the 3rd period.
I’m simply stating that the reffing is just short of pathetic in this series. And really I expect both the refs and the linesmen to be competent, they haven’t been.
by milanahalek on May 19, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually think it could have changed the outcome. Those non-calls came at crucial moments of the game that could have completely changed the momentum. Or could have not changed anything- we will never know. You just want to see the right calls made.
Conspiracy theory- no way. Not even close. Just really bad blown calls that had huge momentum swings riding on it, simple as that.
im tired of everyone blaming the refs
whether they missed calls or not it’s out of your control. just play the hand you were dealt
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Aren't you also tired of dives?
Why do these world class players dive if it isn’t factor? I’m just sharing my honest thoughts about the game, but I guess I should stick to the points that don’t effect the game as much as special teams just to stay classy.
They are playing the hand they are dealt. If it continues, they will lose, and ALL factors will be the reason, not just the ones you like to talk about.
by Multiple Cells on May 19, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
No dives last night
Missed calls/shitty calls yes.
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Also, we lucked out on Joe getting high-sticked in the face, but Kes also got slashed on the hands. Lots of missed calls in the series so far, but I wouldn’t say there were too many dives/embellishments last night.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
And you also lucked out on Seto getting a high-stick to the face, too.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 19, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
there’s a few missed cross-checks and high sticks in there. That’s for sure.
I’m not about to count how many vs how many, because, well, there’s no point since they weren’t called.
But I agree with you, in that the reffing could stand to be better.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
and lucked out on
A guy 12 inches inside the blue paint on the 4th goal.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on May 19, 2011 12:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What’s the ruling on that btw? Is it when the puck goes in that no one can be in the crease? Or, during the shot? or what?
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Any sports fan that legitimately thinks the refs are making calls so u can't win
Are delusional. I don’t ever want to see my team stoop to diving to get calls. I would honestly be ashamed.
Special teams aren’t our only problems. 2 out of our 5 goals are even strength. Not good. Our defense? Horrible
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As Jumbo found out, they will review the games for diving and call it.
And as the Ducks proved a few years ago, if you take a lot of penalties but kill them all off, you can frustrate the other team enough to get them off their game.
This has been a team collapse, not due to diving.
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There are a lot of Sharks haters out there, and I do think most people don’t want to see us win. Where this hate has come from, I’m not really sure. In the Pacific division I get, we’ve been the dominant team for years now. In the other parts of the league, I think it comes from a few years of the “experts” picking us to win and fawning over us, only to have us fail pretty spectacularly. When you hear about how good a team is, only to see them fall, it breeds some animosity- I guess? There is probably way too much social theory here for me to dive into right now. Regardless, does it seem like people don’t want us to win- um, ya totally. I think only Sharks fans and their respective loved ones want the Sharks to win. But do I think that there is a league conspiracy being actively played out on the ice to hinder us from winning? Not even close. Let’s not forget, last year we had multiple 5 on 3s against Detroit that helped us take leads in that series. Right now though, I would agree that Vancouver is getting the calls and non-calls. But we can’t control that, so we just have to play even smarter and better.
by Ronnibily on May 19, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great point about the "experts" being let down by the Sharks in the past
causing them to distrust/dislike the Sharks this year. I’ve picked the Sharks to make the WCF/Stanley Final for 5 years and I keep getting burned in my pools. This year I went with Boston v Vancouver!
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The officiating has been far worse than the detroit series, and talk about demoralizing i am sure everyone saw Jumbo get highsticked at the end of the 2nd WITH THE LINESMEN STARING RIGHT AT HIM. What does that say to an entire team that their captain got his face cut open, requiring stitches and no call. I mean before i thought we had to push threw and overcome whatever the nhl threw at us, but this is starting to get rediculous, at what point does McL state “he is concerned for the safety of his players” at this point i wouldnt even care about a fine from going further in the media, but at least this way, i dont think they can fine him.
Further more, yes Eager took stupid penalties, and yes Eager should not have gone so far with luongo, but why did he look like the fastest player in teal last night? What is
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by BoyleMaker22 on May 19, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
This may be somthing small but,
I HATE, HATE HATE it when these a$$ clown announcers don’t show any emotion when San Jose scores. When we scored first last night they didn’t even announce it like it was a goal… I was thinking what did that go in? When Vancouver scored after that it was more like this… “GOALLLLLLLLLLL” It has happened every time on Versus. I noticed it alot during the Detroit games on Versus too.
Fuking biased announcers calling each other their stupid hockey nicknames… Razor and Panger…. Im seriously ready to break their faces in when they call each other those stupid nicknames!!!!
RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
I noticed it too but, meh...
VS is a Canadian network so it’s not surprising they’re mouths were full of Nucker dong all night. The worst thing about advancing past the semis is losing Randy and Drew and live local network coverage. However, (as you know I’m sure) us Sharks fans should not look for recognition and credibility from national coverage and their so called “non-biased” announcers. Don’t let it get to you too much or it will drive you nuts….
A solution
As a Vancouver fan, I’ve run into this when the Canucks were against Montreal or Toronto -
Turn the sound off of your TV and pipe in the radio announcers. You get local coverage and can see what is going on.
Versus is not a Canadian network.
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by Jevant on May 19, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
People who like Randy and Drew don’t get to complain about “homer” announcers.
by meetyourmako on May 19, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The part that pisses me off about all this?
NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman was there.
While I can’t go off on the refs (whom legitimately may not have seen the high sticks from their pit), I’m starting to think that having the elevated platform as in last year’s R&D camp may actually be a good idea.
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The high stick on Joe was very visible especially from the ref who was literally right in front of him when he fell to the ice.
That was a linesman.
They can only make certain calls.
No idea why they didn’t flag it for a ref, though.
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San Jose Lack of Commitment to Defense
is going to cost them this series.
1.Vancouver’s depth is murdering the Sharks forwards and defense.
2. Where is Pavelski, why does he disappear in the WCF?
3. Where is Clowe, I know, playing 7 games against Detroit fucked shit up for him
4. Why is Marleau fighting Bieksa? Marleau is not a leader, he needs to be on the ice.
5. Can Niemi ever steal a game? Giving up 3+ goals a game is not going to win a SC.
6. Are the Sharks ever going to hit any of Vancouver’s defesne?
7. Too much attention to Kesler and the Girls, and not enough on Van. defense
8, Is Raffi Torres really that much better in the playoffs than Pavelski?
9. Is Doug Wilson going to bitch about the ref jobs to get calls?
10. Will HP Pavilion will a win for their team?
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1. It’s time for the Sharks to utilize their depth.
2. He’s been disappointing, along with the rest of that 3rd line which made the team so dangerous.
3. He was great early in the season. Hopefully he finds that form … now.
4. Really? Marleau is definitely one of the leaders on this team. I have no idea what would make you think otherwise.
5. He has stolen games, in these playoffs even, so I’d find it hard to blame him. When the guys in front of you keep taking penalties and, as you said, lack a commitment to defense (or offense for that matter), there’s only so much a goalie can do (which is what plagued Nabby’s career as well).
6. Starting Game 3, probably.
7. I disagree. There have been comments after the game, but I find it hard to believe that the team is more focused on that than the team’s play.
8. Yes… at being a douche. That guy deserves to compliments, unless you’re talking about how well he went after someone’s head (yup, still mad about that Michalek hit).
9. Why should he? Yes, yes… to play up to the refs. But the players have said quite a bit and it hasn’t done much. Plus, Wilson is a classy GM. Moreover, while the officiating has been quite bad, that’s not the reason the Sharks are down… and they know it.
10. Of course.
11. Jamie McGinn
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Bockerz- Agreed on #8!!!!! Couldn’t have said it better… the guy is still as douchy as he was years ago against Michalek. Guy is the the ugliest, dirtiest, and most moronic player in Vancouver.
Although he may be lower on my sh*t list than Eager right now.
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#5
I’m really only going to comment on Niemi here because it is absolutely rediculous to expect a goalie to “steal” a game when the team in front of him is playing as bad as is it.
The Sharks have scored two even strength goals and a total of 5 goals in two games (it’s really just 4 becuase the Eager goal was kinda pointless).
The issues with the Sharks right now start and end with the skaters – Niemi is the least of their problems.
Niemi did all he could. He was hung out to dry in the third, and you really can’t expect him to “steal” anything last night.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, it has happened to the Sharks a lot over the playoffs. The guys at Dudes on Hockey have noted quite a few times in the playoffs where the Sharks were dominant an entire game (as opposed to the 3rd period by the Canucks last night) and Dwayne Roloson/Craig Anderson/Jonas Hiller/et. al. absolutely stole games similar to what happened last night. It certainly wasn’t Niemi’s fault last night, but the Sharks should could have used a 50 save, 2 goal performance in one of these first two games to win a game they didn’t deserve to.
Hold on.
Our depth is something we’ve been doing well with. And, in fact, was listed as an advantage going into the series. Why in the world we are not using it, and muddling with the lines that work is beyond me.
I’m concerned that Pavs may be injured. He’s not playing like the playoff monster he usually is.
As for the whole Eager thing…yeah, I’m not thrilled with his PIMs, but a few other people weren’t that far behind him. Like TMC, I do give him credit for playing with spirit in the face of horrific odds.
As for the whole diving thing? It seems like you almost HAVE to do it to get the refs to notice. Maybe we should take note of that (Jumbo, Seto)
Lastly: Boyle needs to put his middle finger up in the air.
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First post. Can someone explain to me this...
…I was wondering what the Sharks can do to get sustained offensive zone time. It seems to me when they are in the offensive zone they aren’t in there for very long. Jamie Baker talked about it on the Sharks radio broadcast that the Canucks “layer” themselves in the defensive zone, which is effectively ruining any chance the Sharks have at getting the cycle going. Jamie said it was reminiscent to the way the Blackhawks played the Sharks last year using their team speed against them. How can the Sharks adjust to this and start getting more offensive zone time?
The Sharks can adjust
by playing their hearts out in every game, as they did in game 7 of the last series.
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Key Phrase: "Team speed", especially on defense.
The defense gets to the dumped pucks faster than the Sharks can retrieve them. Not only that, they are skilled enough to make accurate first passes out of the zone and transition very well, just as the Hawks did last year. Dont be surprised if the Sharks are also swept.
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Adjusting by...
Hitting the defense every single time to wear them out. Then hoping by the late 2nd and 3rd period the defense will start being tentative and start giving the puck away. It was evident in tonight’s game. Every time the Sharks pressed the defense with a dump and chase and actually hit the D, Vancouver scrambled and were caught in their zone. That 3rd line didnt do anything of that and that’s why Eager ended up on that line. Wellwood was basically benched for his soft play and Eager took his spot.
Sharks need to start hitting Error and Bieksa more frequently. Those two can not take it and play sloppy when they get bumped.
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I noticed that last night. They were banging Edler and Ehrhoff at every opportunity last night.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
The best chance the Sharks have of winning this series is if a Canucks D gets injured. The Sharks would have a much easier time taking advantage of their depth against a Rome/Ballard 3rd pairing
Is it THAT much of a drop off when we can substitute Ballard in for any guy that goes down at the moment? (other than Hamhuis/Bieksa?)
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
neutral zone
They have not executed at all in the nuetral zone. If they can figure that out, we will have a more sestained offensive attack. Give credit to the Knucks on that one.
by will_hunter23 on May 19, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Non-commitment to defense.
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Joe Thornton
is playing some really good hockey and trying to lead his team, its sad for him they are not following.
I don’t understand the Sharks (Eager and Clowe) anger at Bieksa, even Marleau said in the post game interview that he decided to drop the gloves not Bieksa. Also Bieksa weighs in just shy of 200 lbs while Marleau is 220, hardly a size mismatch, but Bieksa is a pretty good scrapper.
I’m sure the Sharks will re-group for game 3, for your sakes I hope Eager is in the press box as I don’t think he will be able to control himself and the refs will be watching his every move out there.
Ryan Kesler for MVP
Eager
I hate comparing Eager to him since he is better then him, but after Trevor Gillies of the Islanders did his little stunts against the Penguins to get a 9 game suspension, the refs zeroed in on him in his first game back, and he got tossed early in the second. The refs will probably do the same with Eager, and call him way more tightly then everyone else, and forcing us to go on the PK. We should sit him on Friday.
If it keeps him from playing game 3, suspend him all you want.
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Last night was hard to watch all by myself but
I did laugh a little at watching Eager. I felt like I was watching the Hanson brothers, especially that swinging leg trip move. Reminded me of the stick trip on the goalie as he skates away. (Though here it was skate off the ice.) I don’t know what was up his ass but it was something else. Perhaps tell him to play Old Tyme Hockey?
Anyone know what he said to Luongo? Was at a pizza place with the sound off, wasn’t sure if they talked about it.
by Juicebag on May 19, 2011 2:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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I’m still relatively new to the game, But since it seems Vancouver’s forwards are faster than us, and their D is more physical than us (well, it looks like they’re outhitting us, I haven’t seen the stats), can someone please explain to me how you can slow down the game, which appears to be the only possible game plan that can work for the Sharks right now?
They have to stop with the dump and chase
And move into the cycle. This team cycles the puck better than most other teams in the league, thanks to guys like Marleau, Thornton, and Clowe.
I think there will be some strategy changes, especially considering this shellacking. Lots of tape to look at now, and lots of mistakes. Plus, there’s that matter of pride.
Last year, Chicago was a great team. Vancouver… they’re a good team, but not quite at that level.
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began to fly around the room as they kept wasting good break-out opps with their commitment to the dump and chase (it the other way)…. New Plan: STOP DOING THAT!!!
Dump and chase makes sense to me
And I can see how that can slow down the game, however, Vancouver’s D have been quicker to those pucks than we have been (and winning more battles for the puck), nullifying our ability to cycle, which I agree, we do extremely well when we’re in it.
It appears to me that it’s simply a matter of our forwards retrieving that puck a lot quicker and battling more. But also, as noted before, we can barely even get through the neutral zone at times. How can a dump and chase work better for the Sharks if they can’t even get the puck into VAN’s zone?
Oops....I misread your comment Bockerz...haha
I thought it said “It has to start with dump and chase” ::facepalm::
Forget my comment, unless there’s some relevance to it haha…I’m a hockey newb trying to learn as fast as I can :)
The fowards from Vancouver are faster and this takes away a lot of time and space from playing a puck possession game, which is the coaches style. Since the Vancouver defense is fast they can not dump and chase a puck because the puck is already out of the zone before a sharks forward reaches the goal line.
Dump and chasing the puck is going to be the only way they are going to slow the Vancouver defense. But they have to pound the shit out of them in order to be effective; however its not the Sharks style.
SJ wants to puck posses but are being back checked by the Vancouver forwards like a bat out of hell and are forced to make errant passes at the Vancouver blueline, which is the worst place to turn over a puck especially against a quick transitioning team like Vancouver. SJ is better off getting the puck behind the defense and make them pay for touching the puck, its the only way they will win this series.
The reason why the Van D is looking more physical is because they are locking up and pinching the walls where the Sharks want to exit from their zone. They are able to lay easy hits on the Sharks forwards. They are forcing SJ to use the middle of the ice, its been a new trend in NHL for a couple of years.
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I think that was a reply to my post?
So since we’re the bigger team, shouldn’t that mean we should be the more physical team as well? I mean, I hated ALL of Eager’s penalties tonight, but I have to say I would like to see more of the Sharks lay out the Sedins, and the rest of the Canucks for that matter.
I’ve watched a lot of team sports, and I know that the obvious counter to a speed game is to be physical…so are these first two games just a showcase of the Sharks being soft? And will hitting more solve a lot of our problems? Or do we have bigger issues to face?
I think injuries are taking its toll...
The Sharks can play a physical game but it appears that there are injuries in the locker room, especially with Clowe. Thornton and Marleau need to step up their physical play and Marleau getting into a fight with Bieksa is NOT being physical.
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Open man in the slot
One thing I noticed a few times tonight (and at various points during the playoffs): the puck’s off to the side, Niemi slides over to cover the short side, whereupon the player with the puck passes to the (usually) wide open man in the slot and boom! 1 GA. It seems like the defense is too busy marvelling at the display of puck handling off to the side that they forget to turn around and box out the open man in the slot. Niemi has to cover the short side so he needs to be hugging the post but the D really leaves him out to dry by not taking away the open man. Isn’t that Defense 101? I originally suspected Niemi was over-commiting (which he does occasionally) but after seeing it too many times it’s become apparent the D is not doing their job. To quote Drew, “get your head on a swivel”. Niemi is a good goalie but even the best needs support from his D and right now they’re not giving it to him.
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It seems...
..that Vancouver wants to exploit that part of the ice during their power play. All of their power play goals were in that exact spot and one was a power play influenced (1 second after the power play was over) goal from that spot as well. I think Detroit started to expose that part of the ice during the last few games of that series and Vancouver noticed it and has done an excellent job in taking advantage of it.
the puck’s off to the side, Niemi slides over to cover the short side, whereupon the player with the puck passes to the (usually) wide open man in the slot and boom! 1 GA.2 of the power play goals and the power play influenced goal were a result of that exact same play. Frustrating to watch, but I expect adjustments will be made and staying out of the box would also help.
by Another Lurker on May 19, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s been our basic bread and butter PP play. Once you have proven you can stop those, I’ll assume the Sedins would work the puck back behind the net, or use the point to spread you guys out and try to get shots from the dot.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That was quite disheartening to watch
Only because I would’ve liked to see them take it back tied. But Vancouver hasn’t convinced me yet. Game 1, the Sharks should’ve won, but they lost it for themselves. Game 2, the Canucks were clearly the better team after the 1st… but it wasn’t against a Sharks team that was playing well.
Of the past 6 games (1-5), I do believe the Sharks have played 4 decent games, and only 2 bad games. The optimist in me also sees these playoffs as a microcosm of this team’s regular season. Start off, against the Kings, in an up-down fashion. You get to late December (nearing the halfway mark), and things look to be turning around. Then there’s a horrendous losing streak, spotted with wins. This is where the tide has to turn, where the post-ASG (not the Atlanta Spirit Group, those bastards) play needs to return.
Also, the officiating has been quite spotty. They’ve been making some weak calls and missing the blatant ones, for both teams. Hopefully, they’ll get that cleaned up. I hate to see many Sharks fans stooping to the Red Wings fans level and blaming losses on the refs. It’s been bad, but hardly the reason for these past two losses.
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From a stooper: It is more of a factor than you think...
The disparity of special teams is the single biggest factor in this series. All of the problems you talk about and analyze have roots in this fact. Everyone focuses on what I call garbage goals after the Sharks lost their composure. These are to be completely thrown out from an analysis standpoint. Look, just like in football, emotion plays a huge part in the outcome of games. The bad (and good) calls are momentum killers for the Sharks. If you say they should ignore them, I would agree with you. But no team in the league is so good that they can kill three times the penalties that their opponent has to and still win the game.
Let me ask you a question: If we had 10 power plays and they had only three, could we have a 2-0 series lead right now? I say without a doubt. Easily. But you are asking your team to do the impossible: Match the energy of a team that has all of the advantage. Vancouver is way too good for this to happen. I give them full credit for taking advantage of their opportunities. I’m just not so sure that their opportunities have been fair.
I totally understand why people don’t like whining about the refereeing in sports. It ruins the fun and destroys the spirit of competition. But if you seriously believe that it isn’t a factor, you are kidding yourself.
I will say this…I think Vancouver is playing better hockey than the Sharks. It is my sincerest wish, though, that I could watch a game and not see phantom calls go against me while my captain gets absolutely no respect. If he is Sidney Crosby, the Sharks have at least eight more PP minutes at their disposal.
I know folks don’t like it, but this is what I believe. I don’t like it either. Sorry. I really wish that the Sharks were the charmed team, but they clearly are not. If you think it is classless to talk about this, then fine. But I think the amount of embellishing on the ice by both sides tells you how big a factor the players think it is. Do you really think a world class player LIKES diving? They HAVE TO in order to win. And that fact is all on the refs.
by Multiple Cells on May 19, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
I hate to be the one to blame officiating. I usually admit when my team plays like crap which they did yesterday, no doubt about it. An extra PP for the Sharks and one less for the Nucks last night prob wouldn’t have changed the outcome.
But it seems that they’re blowing the whistle for every single little thing the Sharks do and on the flip side, picking and choosing Vancouver’s penalties. People would be quick to say the Canucks are playing more disciplined than the Sharks, and the Sharks aren’t skating hard enough when they’re down, they skate frustrated and commit more penalties. But are they frustrated because but they’re down or because they’re on the freakin PK all the damn time? The disparity in PPs is quite blatant, it’s not even funny. How the hell can you win a game when you’re on the kill for more than half of it?
Trust me I understand, the team has plenty of other problems to work on, and it’s quite a steep battle to win this series down 0-2 to a pretty damn good team, but it’s even harder when the refs are against you, as well.
It wasnt long ago..
that the Sharks were the least penalized team. Nothing has really changed in their game. That tripping call on Eager was atrocious, and that set up that 4th goal. Talk about killing a teams momentum and frustrating for them to take stupid penalties.
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Eager tripping Mason Raymond
Eager slew-footed Raymond right in front of the ref, that will get called every time. If you want to pick on the reffing, bitch about the missed high-stick on Thornton, should have been a 4 minute pp for the sharks.
However, Eager earned all his penalty minutes last night and the Sedin hit should have been a 5 minute major and a game.
Ryan Kesler for MVP
Eager 5 minute major
If Eager had gotten a 5 minute major and game for boarding, he wouldn’t have been on the ice for the whole 3rd period (and hence wouldn’t have taken a bunch of minors). I think San Jose would have actually benefited from that, hindsight being 20/20.
I was thinking at the time that calling a minor instead of a major was the makeup call for the missed high sticking. Even when the refs try to be nice to us they STILL screw us!!!
by calixtus on May 19, 2011 12:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ya. I agree. It really worked to our benefit that Eager continued to run around the ice for the rest of the period for the score to get out of hand.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS...
…is by far the most lucid commentary on why bad officiating ruins games and enjoyment of all sports. Thank you for posting this. Its not whining if its actually taking away from the sport/ game.
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 6:31 AM PDT reply actions
First time caller
Chill bitches, Eager got this thing.
I wouldn’t make Eager walk the “Plank” yet, in last years playoffs he contributed significantly. Actually, it seems the only way to compete with this loaded, powerhouse Canuck team is to get in their face, try to take them out of their game. When the Hawks went down 3-0, Bolland came back and administered a vicious elbow to Salo – for some unknown reason it seemed to energize the hawks. Patrick Sharp also got entangled in a lot of extracurricular activity in front of the net – what I like to think of as old time Flyer hockey. Time to get nasty if you want to keep your head under water Sharks,
It seemed the Sharks were throwing the puck at Lu as much as they could last night, at least through the first 30 minutes. To me it seemed to be an effective strategy, leaving a lot of errant rebounds. Your fowards also put great pressure on the Van d-men when they dumped the puck. Edler did a fantastic job of absorbing some bone crushing checks or you might have had a few more chances.
This series is far from over as the teams head back to the Tank – clearly one of the most intimidating places to play in the NHL. This is just me thinking, but I think a lot of the Nucks intense hitting in the playoffs this year is feeding off the energy of their fans. The Sharks should feed off of some of that energy in Game Three. A cornered rat fights hardest – and I’m sure the Sharks will play an inspired game against the Canucks at home. Will Vancouver take their foot off the accelerator a little – most likely. Although at 3/4 speed they are still one of the most complete hockey teams I’ve seen in awhile – not many chinks in their armor.
Mr. Plank, i’ve just started to read the FTF website. I really like your analysis. Although i’m pulling for the Canucks, I’d like sto see you guys take a few games and cause some sleepless nights in Vancouver.
by wardrums on May 19, 2011 6:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No prob
I really had no problem with Eager last night. Next time he takes a boarding pen I hope he hurts someone though! I love his passion!
by will_hunter23 on May 19, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
i couldn't disagree with you any more on that
and i really hope you are being sarcastic because there is no room in our fan base for a classless comment like that.
by tealstherealdeal92 on May 19, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The blueline is a hot mess
To be sure.
This series and the season is all but over. We cannot stop Vancouver in the 3rd period and we cannot score enough goals to win games. We cannot stay out of the penalty box, which completely fucks up the rotaion and minutes for our players.
Congratulations to the Canucks, who have looked really good. They deserve full marks for taking it to San Jose. Ben Eager plays out of control hockey and has for most of his career. He is a liability because of his bad decision making and putting the team a man down.
I disagree with one point of the recap, and it’s minor to be sure: Kevin Bieksa is NOT bigger than Patrick Marleau. He’s listed at 205 pounds and Patty is between 210-215 pounds. He may be a better fighter and tougher, but Marleau did not pick a fight with a bigger man.
For San Jose to pull their head(s) out collectively they’re going to have to go back to basics and literally play one shift at a time. Eager should be banned from the locker room for the remainder of the series. San Jose will need to see production from more guys, as it’s going to take 5 goals to win a game in this series.
If, and this is a big if, San Jose can somehow find the resiliency to win on Friday (gaining some confidence on the way) then Sunday’s game becomes HUGE. Vancouver has been susceptable to lapses so far this year, i.e., giving up 3-0 leads in series both to Chicago and Nashville, but ultimately they’re good enough to close them out. They are a much more complete team than San Jose who, in my estimation, has over achieved this year. This season is not a failure if we lose in the conference finals. This team will only go as far as its talent will take them. We’ve met our match and the results show that. No shame in admitting that and congratulating Vancouver for a couple of really good hockey games.
I also think it’s worth mentioning that losing 5 of your last 6 playoffs games qualifies as a team slump coming at the worst possible time of the year. In the words of our favorite punching bag, Todd Bertuzzi, “It is what it is”.
Go Sharks!!!
Ya. That was the Chicago series.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Coaching?
I may not know much about hockey strategy since I didn’t grow up playing the sport like i’m sure many of you did, but isn’t their a coaching issue here? Obviously the Sharks are getting killed in the neutral zone; I don’t think we got more than 4 or 5 clean breaks through during the 2nd and 3rd period.
It feels like TMac could change things up a bit to help us get some semblance of a play past center ice…
I think they're about even
Although a poll on Yahoo favored TMac 2 to 1 in who’s better. I like Alain Vigneault’s experience and even keel attitude.
To me the key stat is being outscored 6 to 1 in the third period. There’s not much a coach can do about that. Our defense is just not good enough, that’s the bottom line to me.
Yes
This team has talent. We all know that. But it’s not being used right. They’re not playing as a team, not playing good defense (consistently out of position), and turning the puck over way too often. At some point the coach has got to take some responsibility, figure out what’s going wrong, and straighten the ship before it sinks. But his response after game 1 is to put in Eager in there, and then we have a WWE Royal Rumble instead of a hockey game. Eager is entertaining in his own way, but we sure ain’t gonna win the series like that.
At some point
The players have to take responsibility for the results. They’re the one’s who either win or lose battles on the ice. The fundamentals have been taugh by this coaching staff since September of last year, so how/why can you blame McLellan for mental lapses?
And the biggest issue of all: Why are some guys still not committed and giving it their all? TMac said some of the guys need to tighten their laces a bit. I can guess who he’s referring to, but it’s up to the players to leave it all on the ice. The coach can only prepair his team, the players have to execute. Don’t scapegoat their play by blaming the coach, it’s a mistake to do so. If however you feel he needs to light a hotter fire under their collective asses, then perhaps we can discuss that issue. But far too often people blame the coaches when teams lose and give them the majority of credit when they win. Ultimately it’s up to the players, professional athletes on this team, to raise their level of compete and want it more than Vancouver. That may or may not be enough, but until they do that they stand little chance of winning.
Because
A GOOD coach brings out the best in his players. Exhibit A, just look across the ice at our opponents.
So what’s more likely..that the Sharks are either too dumb, too lazy or too unruly to be taught , to have their talents focused….or that the coach is not getting through to them or lacks the chutzpah to put them in line?
by rightnasty on May 19, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Neither
The Canucks are just better. Nothing to do with the coaches. Vancouver has scored more goals than the Sharks and allowed less all year long. They had the best record and were the best team all year long. They’ve faced their own adversity in Chicago taking them to 7 games. They’re much better defensively and on the PP. Two games do not make a series, but stop laying blame on the coach, it’s up to the players to win the match ups on the ice. The Vancouver coach wouldn’t be getting your praise if we were up 2 games to 0.
Players win games, and they lose them, coaches at most can help a player by motivating him in the right way. But if this team needs any more motivation then they don’t deserve to win the cup!
If you want to lay blame...
Some of it must fall at the feet of Doug Wilson for signing Kent Huskins and Nick Wallin. Neither one offers much (if any) offense and neither is getting it done defensively. That money could have been used to sign a more offensive minded defenseman who can shoot on the PP. Or, a guy who is a real stay at home d-man. The other mistake he made is adding Dany Heatley who makes the Sharks top heavy. Way too much salary is tied up in HTML + Boyle. This team needs to get younger, faster, and more committed to doing anything and everything it takes to win. Only so much a coach can do. If everyone is not committed to leaving it all on the ice, then that’s a personnel issue. I honestly don’t think this team as a whole is good enough to beat Vancouver in a 7 game series, just like Chicago was better than us last year. Perhaps DW will finally learn from another post season flame out and get Thornton, Marleau, Boyle and Nieim the help they need to finally get to the Stanley Cup Finals. Otherwise I’ll always be saying, show me, don’t tell me.
beating a dead horse?
Maybe. But spot on. Its called asset allocation. The sharks have messed it up adding Heatley after the Anaheim joke, and now its gonna be pretty hard to untangle with his no trade clause. At least Huskins & Wallin are off the books after this year. Hope neither are back.
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Heatley was not a mistake. Guy was one shy of 40 goals last season, he’s having an off year. Like we’ve seen Marleau do NUMEROUS times. I keep saying it, yeah I’d like more goals by Heatley right now but he’s FAR from the problem.
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by winthecupsj on May 19, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Team speed went out the door for Heatley
Lost Michalek and Erhoff for Heatley.
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not Heatley's fault
He’s just not a good fit on this team, partly because he’s not the focal point on offense. Off year, I think that’s wishful thinking. On another team he may have the same success he had in Ottawa and Atlanta. I would only move him if he’s willing obviously and if we get fair value in return, otherwise he’s ours for 3 more seasons and perhaps in that time, he can find his niche, or not?
I think it’s one of those things, kinda like the Campbell deal. I’d love to have a guy with Heater’s skillset, but not at that price.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don't think it's a question of talent
Otherwise they’d have blown us out game 1 too. But consider this:
After all that went wrong last night, the only thing McLellan can say is, “I hope my guys show up and play.” Not a damn thing about him making changes, changing the lines, changing the strategy, having sit downs with players, having a team meeting, nothing. Just wishing on a star like us fans.
We’re on a train, and there’s no engineer driving it. We’re making a movie, and there’s no director organizing the pieces into a complete picture. There’s nobody in charge in of this ship, just another fan of the Sharks saying, “Hey guys, you gonna win?” This man needs to be gone in the offseason.
Right
because back to back conference finals is an underachievment. Please, Ron Wilson wasn’t any better and Darryl Sutter was much worse. He’s done a fine job and the Sharks are still playing unlike other supposed great coaches from Washington or Detroit. Give him some credit too.
Wow....what the hell happened last night? :-(
Wow… not sure what else to say. I fell asleep early on during the 2nd period before all hell broke out, I think I am glad that I did. I hope and pray that the Sharks have it together come Friday and the great fans that are in the Tank can will them onto a win! They need to win to stay in this series… hell even a person like myself that doenst know much about hockey knows they need to win!! Come on Sharks! Pull it together! You boys in Teal have it in you, you can do it!!! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still believe. Go Sharks!
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LOL! I never have seen that movie before, I need to watch it! Hansen brothers, too funny.
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Thanks!!! That is very kind of you to say!!!!
I do my best to hang in there and still root and support the team. I learn from everyones analysis here. And I add my heart and soul to comments to balance it all out!
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Home stand. Do it.
After Game 1, (a game they should have won but disappeared in the 3rd) I had hoped the Sharks use that motivation to play better in Game 2. Doesn’t look that way.
After Marleau dropped gloves in what he must have known was not a winning battle, I had hoped the Sharks use that as motivation to come back in the game and play better in the 2nd and 3rd period. Obviously did not look that way.
Now I pray these Sharks will finally decide how much they want this and show the hockey world that disasterious game 2 is not what the Sharks are about and tie this series up at home.
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by thirteen on May 19, 2011 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said, Mr. Plank.
Great analysis, being both fair and balanced. The Sharks are way better than this, when they play their game, and do so as a team. Coach TM hinted at some being passengers, which has to stop if SJ is to get back into this series. Likewise, selfish play isn’t going to help close the gap seen thus far. For the players that are yapping without contributing, TM needs to set their heads straight. That isn’t what wins games (and series); it takes sustained effort.
I like and root for my "Nucks, but frankly expect and want more out of the Sharks. I hope they bring it; we all deserve a better battle.
Good luck.
You are right
That isn’t what wins games (and series). It takes sustained effort by everyone! I guess where a coach earns his or her money is in knowing when to push hot buttons and among whom. For instance perhaps TMac needs to ride some of the guys harder if they’re not committed 100% to leaving everything on the ice. I doubt the Vancouver coach is a red ass all of the time. He probably leaves it up to the guys to figure it out and lets them decide who’s going to lead your team to victory. I don’t think SJ fans fully realize just how good Vancouver is. Well perhaps now they do. Can they be beat? Yes, but only if everyone is giving it their all and for 60 minutes, not just the first two periods.
I hope games 3 & 4 are better and that this series goes longer than just 4 or 5 games?
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Mr. Plank, that was a well written recap.
The first period was what I was expecting from both teams and the third period reminded me of Van-Chi games. Oh wait…..that is due to Eager. The Nucks and Eager share some fiery history from the last two playoffs but the Nucks have kept their cool almost all playoffs when goaded. I think Eager was looking for a reaction from Canucks teams of past who would have dropped the gloves at any opportunity. But not this year. What I notice is that the two biggest troublemakers for the Canucks in past year (Kesler and Burrows) have stuck to skating away from the extra stuff. Which is a great thing in this series since the Sharks PP is spectacular. Bieksa has been calm in this playoffs as well but I guess Marleau asked nicely and Bieksa obliged. I give Marleau props for the initiative but he had just started scoring so why waste 5 minutes in the box. Isn’t that what Eager is for?
I read a comment above that stated the Sharks needed to get more physical to cut into Van’s speed. I don’t know if that will work since it is not just a few Canucks who have wheels, most of them has good speed and are willing to take a hit and move the puck ahead.
Niemi was left out to dry last night. Reminded me what happened to Luongo in games 4 & 5 of the Chicago series. The media blamed a lot of the goals on Luongo but his defesne really screwed the pooch in those games.
Bieksa reminds me of Han Solo, except without the charm...or the Wookie at his side, unless you count Alberts.
It’s easy to keep your cool when you’re winning.
I hope the Sharks can make this a series but the Canucks have the exact makeup that causes the Sharks fits, which is pretty apparent right now.
by IsThisTheYear? on May 19, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
My heart still hurts
Last night I was pissed and heartbroken. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think we are out of this at all- we win game 3, we’re right back in this. But I REALLY believed we were going to win game 2… all day yesterday I felt it. Must have just been my wallet possibly seeing the Promise Land (the land away from ticketmaster).
I’ll tell you why my heart aches… it aches for Jumbo Joe Thornton. The guy played like a BEAST last night (and game 1… and game 7 against Detroit) and NONE of his teammates could elevate their game like Joe. Yes, Couture and Marleau scored a goal. But I still don’t think they played playoff hockey. Sure Niemi had one highlight save but he was shaky.
Bottom line, Joe did NOT deserve to be on the losing end of that game and that’s what pisses me off more than anything.
Ben Eager… I think we all have said everything that needs to be said about this guy. I like the speed he brings but he’s a liability in the playoffs. TMac can say whatever the F he wants about the guy (I understand not bad mouthing your players publically) but if he dares let Eager on the ice for game 3, I am going to SERIOUSLY doubt his judgment.
Any one know of some magic healing pill on the black market we can slip to Demers?
I’m trying to shake this loss off just like I’m sure the Sharks are right now. It stings but I have UNWAIVERING faith that the guys can step up their game and win game 3 and be right back in it.
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Meh.
Sharks got exactly what they deserved. That’s the way this sport works. The outcome directly depends upon what you put in.
Sometimes you get lucky bounces and lucky calls, some nights it looks like the whole world’s against you. What makes a championship team is the capacity to overcome anything that might be thrown at you and respond and adapt in any situation.
Let’s see if they can pull it together.
Not time to get down, time to regroup
All the “fans” who are jumping ship already, please do so. We don’t need you on this team. We need to regroup, come together, and change the momentum shift of this series. No better place to do it then at home at HP Pavilion. I fully believe that the missed calls and dives by Vancouver have been ridiculous. They showed a perfect replay yesterday of Kesler falling to the ice after his shoulder was “touched” by a Sharks defenseman. Ugh, I talk about that stuff up above, so I’ll let it go because it doesn’t matter right now. The only thing that matters is the guys in OUR locker room, and they still control their own destiny. There is nothing in this world that says we can’t win the next two games, the next three, the next four. No more excuses, no more mental lapses… we need to win 4 games against Vancouver. Its that simple, and also that complex. Get it done! Go Sharks!!
They've lost 5 of the last 6 and need to win the next 4 of 5.
The Sharks normally snap out of shit slumps like this and come back swinging. It’s weird, I’m pissed about last night and am simply ready for any Nuck fan to cross me but I have this calm and collected confidence that the Sharks will bounce back. I’m not all that worried about this. Sure, 4 of the next 5 is going to be the hardest stretch of hockey for the Sharks as a franchise but that alone should be the inspiration the Sharks need and thrive on. Fuck the blown calls and classless dives, fuck excuses, it’s bullshit but we have to move on to the next game. One game at a time, one shift at a time!
GO SHARKS!!
by BB129 on May 19, 2011 9:07 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree. And with all the adversity the Sharks have overcome, of any Sharks team that could win 4 out of 5 (or even 4 in a row), this one can. Besides, Oracle Kitty has spoken and has said we’re winning 4 in a row. He has not been wrong yet…
by sharksfanwithajd on May 19, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, the old days when you used to spank the Canucks...
Crazy how adding 2 PMDs (one of whom is a pizza boy) changes the entire dynamic of a team.
Until this year, we used to own the Canucks – home or away. Now, they’ve eaten their Wheaties and we’re their bitch. Ugh. I long for the days when the Canucks played the slow down trap game. Anybody remember that snoozefest 2 years ago when the Canucks played a trap the entire game and only had like 15 shots? We won 2-1in OT.
My how times have changed…
with seto scoring in the last minute? that was very satisfying.
by meetyourmako on May 19, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Gillis has done a really solid job building around the core assets he already had with the team.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Walked in to work where someone had (wisely) anonymously taped a Canucks logo to my computer...
so Logan saying he felt bad for the fans in the post game actually made me feel a little better this morning. Jumbo and that kid are the only bright spots I can see right now. Sunday didn’t hurt too bad, but this one sure did.
That said, the Tank better be rocking tomorrow. This team needs to adopt a “we will not be beaten” mentality immediately, and so do any fans at the game. No trepidation when the going gets rough.
Go Sharks.
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Sounds like your coworkers are jerks.
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by ZombieSkittles on May 19, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Are both of you (winthecupsj & clowemyword) local / San Jose??
I’m really curious what it is about the Sharks that makes people so happy when they lose, I really don’t get it.
Haters love to hate.
But for the record I work in SF.
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by CloweMyWord! on May 19, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I work in Pleasanton… hard part is it’s a HUGE company so no clue… I do have Sharks crap all over my cube so it’s very well known that I’m a Sharks finatic.
Misery loves company… most of these douche bags I beat in fantasy football this past year (I’m the only girl in the league too… love it!) and most are Raider fans.
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by winthecupsj on May 19, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
The real bitch of it is
I don’t even know if it’s one of my buddies just being a dick, or if there’s a filthy sneakin’ closet Canucks fan lurking around my office, because nobody (again, wisely) will fess up.
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by CloweMyWord! on May 19, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Same here!
Some tard put an autographed canucks hat on my desk when I showed up.
Needles to say, it’s is in the trash now (we have about 50 trash cans where i work, good luck finding it dipshit)
Ha love it BB129! I would do the same thing.
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by winthecupsj on May 19, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Which he then addressed, and subsequently apologized to the fans for. Personally, I thought he sincerely meant it too. Dude is younger than me, and I’m not old by any measure- you can tell he isn’t very far detached from what it’s like to be a fan. Kinda refreshing, considering how far back you’d have to go to see most of our guys cheering for a team they weren’t playing on. Especially when you consider how jaded some of them must be after years of SJ fans (no offense, but some of us we’re damn near legally insane)
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by CloweMyWord! on May 19, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Late Night Confidential
I have to agree with Hedican and Remenda, I don’t have a huge problem with Eager last night. The hit from behind was very questionable as Sedin turned his back to the play (would it surprise anyone to think that just MAYBE Sedin was trying to draw a penalty!?). The other penalties were not great. Still though, he is battling out there. He needs a more contained game for sure- a lot more contained.
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“If the Sharks follow (Ben Eager’s) lead in battle level they will win Game 3 and get back into the series” – Randy Hahn
It'd be better if he'd picked the right moments
Playoffs have always been a place for borderline shots and “getting into someone’s head”, but if all it does is put you on the PK and frustrate the rest of your team, what is the point? Harassment of the goalie and the top line can pay off (see Belfour, Kipper). But last night Eager looked less like Marchment and more like Gaetz.
What about those embarrassing antics after he scored his goal when we were already toast? Chirping to Luongo and not stopping even after White and Pavelski try to get him to cool it?
Like I said, normally I like Eager but he’s a playoff liability and I don’t have patience for immature play like he has done. He needs to make himself comfortable in the press box. Put in Ginner.
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I agree, that sideshow was embarrassing and not-needed. But I also trust that Randy and Brett have a much better pulse on the team then us.
yeah, but maybe those silly antics distract the team from their awful performances in games 1 and 2.
a worthy point
Hopefully Eager learns to channel his aggression more—both Perry and Kesler learned to do this, and it made them much better players.
My sense is that Eager could play on a higher line if he channeled his energy. I really like/love his energy, I hope that, if he plays in game three, that he channels it well. :]
I like his energy too
But he was -1 until he scored that goal at the end, and basically had to beat down the goalie to get it in.
He also
Adds a demention that San Jose lacks, he’s a wild card. That can be good or bad, but he did bring everything he had last night, unlike many other guys on the team.
I felt the same way after letting the loss sit for a bit..
As boneheaded and stupid Eager is at times (a lot of the times), I just wish the rest of the Sharks would have his compete level and battle mentality out there. He went after a Sedin for goodness sakes. We need to knock the Sedin’s off their rocker a little bit more.
If Eager sits next game, fine, I have no problem with that. He’s a marked man now and will prob get called the second he steps foot on the ice. But if his nastiness could somehow rub off to the rest of the team, I think it would pay off dividends.
Clowe/Pavelski
Well, they’ve now lost 5 of 6. I hate to say it, but they are fading again in the playoffs (they lost 5 of 6 to get ousted last year). They do not look like the same team that started the postseason. I have no explanations, just mere conjecture.
Pavelski and Clowe have not been good since the beginning of the Detroit series. We know Clowe is/was injured, I’m starting to wonder about Pavelski. If those 2 aren’t 100%, we lose any advantage we had (other than maybe in goal).
I feel like
I’ve seen a lot of people, not necessarily just on ftf but everywhere, criticizing Clowe for not showing up. Are people forgetting that he is almost certainly not 100%? I don’t know about Pavelski but it is something to think about.
Look, if we win game 3, the series is 2-1. It’s close. We basically have to do what Detroit did and play with the “one game at a time” mindset. Thank god we are in HP for two games… I doubt I could listen to another game of the freaking Canucks fans yelling “Luuuuuuuuu” after EVERY. FREAKING. SAVE. I would understand if it was after big ones, but this is almost every time. Drives me nuts. Which is probably the point.
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by HeatersLeadingLady on May 19, 2011 10:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If Demers can’t got, put in Braun. We need speed on the back end.
I still have faith.
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by sharks in oc on May 19, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
meh
wells, I may have to recant what I said about Detroit being the hardest matchup of the post-season for us. I just figured that Detroit was/is one of the best post-season teams in the NHL, and that they would therefore be the toughest matchup. VN is maybe making me eat a bit of crow. That said, it’s still “early” in the series, isn’t it? One can hope…
I also wanted to say something I should have said back at the beginning of the series, mainly for Nucks fans but also for us:
1), let’s see some good hockey from here on out—from both sides.
2), I hope the Sharks can pull this off. I still think they can (even though we’ve had, arguably, the toughest post-season matchups of any team in the NHL, since facing a divisional rival was our easiest series, and Det. arguably our 2nd easiest… cough cough)
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It’s nothing to worrie about. If the Sharks take games 3 and 4 we are back in it. If not, it’s pretty much good night. It’s been one hell of a season. Have faith that the Sharks will leave it all on the ice! remember game 7 against the wings? (They’re backs are officially against the wall now) (Did I say officially? As in the officials???? Maybe I should keep my mouth shut) haha
The Sharks just got to keep it real, keep it fresh, keep it real fresh.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 10:20 AM PDT reply actions
I miss Jason Demers
There's blood in the water and now it's frozen.
by theneverman on May 19, 2011 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I feel good about coming hope
It’s OUR time to shift the momentum, it’s OUR time to take control. No better place to do that then at home at HP Pavilion!! Watching this team play this year, I believe this series is just beginning!!
Amen!!! Anyone thats going to this game Friday night should shout and scream and support the team with all their heart and soul! Lets turn this serious around and WIN Friday night!
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I would like too see..
Mayers, Nichol and Eager back on the 4th line. I really liked that combo. I think Eager will be back, he played last night as much basically as he has the previous 3 games combined, to me that says he is doing what the coach is asking him to do. His play reminds of an unrefined Owen Nolan, I dont view him as captain material, but he is from the same mold and one of the best 4th liners in the league.
The Sharks need to win game 3, if they lose, then game 4 just needs to be a bloodbath!
Miracle on Figueroa st, check. That 7th game on 5/12/11, check. Next...
Like a Harold Camping prediction, Canucks are gonna have to wait another year
That comparison
just killed my soul.
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by HeatersLeadingLady on May 19, 2011 10:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Glad I could help! :)
Miracle on Figueroa st, check. That 7th game on 5/12/11, check. Next...
Like a Harold Camping prediction, Canucks are gonna have to wait another year
by sharkblood99 on May 19, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Owen Nolan
Sharks could’ve had Nolan this year for a song. But I remember people on this site saying things like he’s too slow and too old. Mayers is better. Really? We couldn’t have used his experience and toughness and smarts/offensive ability to help us in the playoffs in general and this series in particular? There was zero risk and potentially a lot of upside. But we’ll never know, thanks Doug Wilson. And thanks for Wallin, Huskins and Nittymaki. Great use of the cap $$$. Sorry, but I’m a little bitter and salty right now.
Its understandable..
Yea, I remember that talk in the offseason, and I agree with you. I think Nolan wouldve added more goals in the season then Mayers 3, he wouldve been a great 4th liner as well.
Miracle on Figueroa st, check. That 7th game on 5/12/11, check. Next...
Like a Harold Camping prediction, Canucks are gonna have to wait another year
by sharkblood99 on May 19, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus
We’d have him and his experience and toughness now, when we need it most. He was practicing with the team and said he would love to finish his career here. I just never saw the downside, but many were quick to dismiss it and my concerns. Again, little risk, and a nice positive upside. Oh well, I’m crying over spilled milk, so to speak.
I don’t think Niittymaki was a bad decision… especially when DW had no idea Niemi would come on the market a couple months later. Niitty did do very well for us before January and he did bail us out a couple games against LA when Niemi decided to crap his pants.
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Keep your chin up
Series isn’t over yet. As a Canucks fan I’ve long since learned not to hold my breath.
The outcome of the series will be determined by which teams show up.
Last night’s Canucks vs. last night’s Sharks? I pick the Canucks.
Last night’s Canucks vs. Game 7 semis Sharks? I still pick the Canucks (after all, Canucks fan), but much more of a toss-up.
Game 4 quarters Canucks vs. last night’s Sharks? Coin toss.
Game 4 quarters Canucks vs Game 7 semis Sharks? Sharks all the way.
Anyways, don’t despair yet – a lot of hockey still to be played.
lol @ the cat!!!!
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by ruben398 on May 19, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha that is hilarious… cat looks my kitty Oreo!
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by winthecupsj on May 19, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Evil Stanchion on May 19, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I Posted This At the Top
But I was hoping for feedback, so that is why I am repeating.
How is no one talking about this?
A pattern has developed that, correct me if I am wrong, no one seems to be talking about. This pattern is that of back-to-back goals. This is something I have noticed throughout this post season and only just now went back and checked out.
I went through every game we have played this postseason and looked for goals that the opponent has scored on the sharks within 2 minutes of eachother. My finding wasn’t striking, because I was expecting it. In SIX separate games we have given up back-to-back goals for a total of 7 different times. That is 14 goals! (I know you can count—sorry). This type of momentum swing is huge and has greatly affected our performance and ability to, come back in a game or stay ahead in a game. We have lost 5 out of 6 games where this has happened, the exception being, our incredible comeback to beat LAK 6-5 in OT.
I can speculate all I want about why this is happening, but when it comes down to it, it needs to stop. Is this mental toughness or lack there of? Is this simply great play by our opponents? Is it goaltending, defense, forwards? Or all of the above? Not that a finger needs to be pointed at all.
Regardless, our last two losses to vancouver were subject to 2 point swings by the opponent, which, while they outplayed us for nearly all of both games, are huge momentum swings that our team (including against DET) cannot seem to rebound back from. Lets get rid of this, and maybe we wont blow our next early game lead.
Never lose faith, lets go sharks!
The ‘back to back’ goal thing is going on all over the place, it’s not just the Sharks giving those up.
by milanahalek on May 19, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean, yea, it needs to stop.
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by sharks in oc on May 19, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Sweep?!?!
Don’t say that shit around here, we’re all pissed right now but c’mon man. I actually think Marleau and Thornton are some of the few that are showing up for this series and especially Jumbo, he’s been great all PS (not the problem). If the dam team behind him would follow his lead, we’d be in much better shape.
Bring back the Dads
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by SharksFanTillDeath on May 19, 2011 11:39 AM PDT reply actions
Agree! The Dads had LOTS of great MOJO to share! Plus they can kick their sons asses into gear.
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Great idea
the dads should seriously go everywhere with them.
HEY PLEASE REPLY
I know i may receive some crap for this, and i know about youth, penchant for penalty’s and a bad temper…
If Demers is really injured, why not bring up Pitrecki for a game, let him smack a couple people pronger style. Now i know this is not the time to take chances, and alot of people are going to give me the whole rookie trust thing, and he’s not ready, but, he moves very well laterally, LOVES to hit (which is where his penchant for penalty’s come from), has a heavy shot, and is a big guy, who can regularly clear the crease and keep up with the creepy twin line better than huskins.
I say Ice Braun, Pitrecki, and McGuinn, or what about Moore, he was pretty good too in his limited opportunities, I am just saying when Eager looks like our fastest skater, maybe an injection of youth into the locker room is what these guys need.
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I think you just answered your question… “Now i know this is not the time to take chances, and alot of people are going to give me the whole rookie trust thing”.
I see where you are coming from but putting in Petrecki at a time like this is probably not a good idea… I don’t even believe he’s played a regular season game. AHL and NHL are VERY different and sticking someone with no experience at the NHL level into a Western Conference final seems disastrious to me.
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by winthecupsj on May 19, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
We just need Demers back and Eager to not play, replace him with Mayers and we will be fine. At least Mayers is more smart about his hits then Eagers obvious boarding penalty.
Its really not even that tho, the refs are screwing us… Did anyone happen to catch when Joe got high sticked literally RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE REF???? He was seriously looking at Joe fall down on the ice… And it was a bleeder too. The refs are blowing calls left and right and they really need to have a real standard on all this embellishing that’s going on. If someone embellishes a penalty why do both of them have to sit?
That was the linesmen
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by BoyleMaker22 on May 19, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes Petrecki was up twice last year, once with Wingels, and once at the very end of the season…
I have seen both AHL and NHL games and i totally recognize the difference…
I know i am in the minority, i just think that the game petrecki plays would be very useful in this series, and would offset his kiddiness, the only thing that would concern me is his immense temper, he practically got thrown off the BC team due to it….
I dont know, i guess at this point i am grasping at straws, i had a nightmare last night that Ben Eager was the fastest player on our team… oh wait last night that was reality.
I totally understand why the coaching staff wont, but i kinda wish they would…
Go Sharks!!!
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by BoyleMaker22 on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
So that happened.
Anyway, It may be just me, but it appears that the quality of the Sharks play is inversely proportional to the number of typos that appear in the FtF comments.
by WhatsAMataHari on May 19, 2011 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
It's not SpellChek?
Damm.
HEY MATA (Lancelot Link reference)…concerning Giambi?
He likes Pina Coladas.
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by victor frankenstein on May 20, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
After Marleau's fight last night
Why didn’t any of the players support him by slapping their sticks on their boards or even acknowledging Marleau as he was heading for the dressing room?
I wasn't aware of that
Not sure I’d comment on that in relation to team unity, I think they were too pissed at Bieksa for fighting Marleau but turning down Eager. Eager called him a fake or pussy or something like that for fighting a guy like Marleau, but Patty even said he dropped the gloves willingly, so why should anyone be upset about that. He wasn’t forced to fight after being jumped. Once you’re getting your asses (collectively) kicked it’s easy to start focusing on the fights and dirty play. I think I’d rather see the Sharks try and play every shift well and focus on playing hard and smart for 3 periods in a row than worry about stick slapping after a pretty meaningless fight.
Well, Eager never asked to fight Bieksa
In this game. That animus came from the hate they have for each other when they fought a couple years ago. It was a clawing, shirt ripping spectacle!
I thought Marleau was trying to get his guys going, and then Eager wrecked whatever momentum was derived from that by hitting Daniel from behind.
You are right about that other shit though. The refs were ignoring it for the most part. We got lucky ( and I guess it was thought incidental when Hank got Joe with the stick ) on that one play, and stuff like that happens…but the cameras following the Joe/Kes matchup caught both of them doing things every shift that could be a penalty.
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
If Eager asks...
Bieksa says no according to Eager. If Thornton says let’s go, what does Bieksa say? He is a good fighter and a tough hard hitter. I think Marleau picked the wrong partner to dance with. There was zero momentum generated for the Sharks after that fight.
True enough
Hoping Eager won’t ask, just do it. Wait til the refs not looking and punch him dead in his face.
Wait til the refs not looking
this will never happen.
by meetyourmako on May 19, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
especially not now. And I hope this never happens. I will never recommend AV to call up Rypien, just so he can pop Thorton or Couture.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well apparently
Eager was asked a bunch of times to go last year when he was on the Hawks and he said no
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
I saw the same thing w/ Kesler / Thornton – but there is no “incidental” when it comes to a high stick, uless it’s on a follow through from a shot. There is no way to put it other than the ref completely missed it (along with the high stick on Seto).
Hopefully, with the series moving to San Jose, the home team continues to get the calls.
Yeah
Probably just missed it.
Eager HAS done that before. Jumped Bieksa in a Hawk game and made sure he got the first shot. Joe is too smart to go with Bieksa though.
Believe me, they don’t much like each other. Bieksa is just being mature about the time in the game and all that. He would not have fought Marleau if he had not dropped the gloves. The game was too close then.
Kudos to Patty. It was brave. I thought Eager insulted his guy by intimating that he could not fight his own battle.
Bieksa is only a big middleweight anyhow. Both Patty and Ben Eager are much bigger.
If one of the next couple games is out of hand, look for him to oblige Ben Eager no problem. That stuff about picking his spots on “non fighters” is just silly. Bieksa does not have a problem obliging anyone, from watching him play the last few years.
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
Still a penalty
Not going to claim missed penalties were a factor in the Sharks loss. Canucks beat them, plain and simple but…
( and I guess it was thought incidental when Hank got Joe with the stick )
Incidental or not, a high stick is still a penalty.
by IsThisTheYear? on May 19, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
Not an excuse. I thought we got a break there.
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
In the replay
I could have sworn I saw the guys on their feet and Clowe give Marleau a fist bump. Then I think the bench got distracted by Eager talking smack to the entire Vancouver bench.
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lol! isnt that called a pressed fruit bowl?
Or is it that when a dude presses his parts against glass?
Oh never mind. HAHA
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Last nights game
I want to clarify a few things, but I am not sure if they have been mentioned already.
In regards to the Bieksa-Marleau fight, I am not upset about, because for starters Marleau stepped up for himself and his team. Now where the problem is imo is that Bieksa earlier in the game had been asked by clowe to fight and he declined. Only mere minutes before he decided to pick on Marleau…that to me is cowardness 101.
I am sick and tired of seeing Lapierre skate around smiling and chirping. I really want to see the physical leaders on this team (Murray, Nichol, Clowe, ad Eager) hit that guy every chance they get.
Onto, Eagers shenanigans, I didn’t mind them one bit. That kid came to play. The only call I hated was the slew foot on Raymond, but he totally put the team on his back last night, listen he played with the hawks as we are all aware of and he knows how to get under the skin of Loungo and the rest of the nucks. You have to get in their face and be physical, not taking stupid penalties but BE PHYSICAL. I have played against a number of teams in JR’s who were considered top teams, but as soon as you but the body on them they lose their timing and become very timid.
I hope no Sharks fan is freaking out right now or abandoning ship, this is the time where the Sharks could really use a pick me up of sorts from the home crowd, let the media and everyone else outside of SJ call us chockers, we still believe in this team, most importantly the team still needs to believe, and from the way Eager was talking after he believes. This is a different team than years past, they aren’t playing against a powerhouse team of Chicago like last year, the nucks are beatable and SJ will win. Keep the faith Sharks fans, good times are ahead as long as SJ believes and executes their gameplan.
JR
That would be all fine and dandy with Eager is he ACTUALLY got under Bobby Lou’s skin. He was just being immature. I don’t see putting a team on your back as acting that way. You can rile up your team without being a moron about it. You can be physical without hitting someone from behind (Daniel Sedin). This is the WC Finals and maybe those antics worked last year and the year before but they aren’t working now. The 7-3 (technically 7-2 because I’d rather forget Eager’s embarrassing and idiotic hot dogging) score shows that.
I agree with everything else though . ;) Everyone keep the faith.
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by winthecupsj on May 19, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more
I was proud of Eagers showing! That’s the kind of fire this whole team needs. The boys just didn’t sac up. And as far as Eager talkin ish to Louie…Hell yea….Make a statment…Let him know he’s not safe, and we’re comin!
by will_hunter23 on May 19, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
What I meant...
What I meant by Eager putting the team on his back was that nobody else was willing to get in the face of any canuck. Eager as well as any other ex hawk that played against them the last two years knows that in order to get under their skin you have to make a circus out of it at times.
I am completely for eager trash talking to lu after the last goal mainly because, and I’m sorry Lu is a overpriced goalie who when the going get tough, he doesn’t show up. More importantly, the so called “circus” or “sideshow” that went on last night paid for for the hawks in years past. Example big buff slamming lu down, I think was worse than eager saying a little something something to lu. Therefore, the game was already out of hand at that point which is why eagers antics were ok, especially considering the rest of the team did squat. Clowe’s fight with lap was too little to late imo. Right now Eager is setting the tone, you have to look at it this way, Van will now be out for some payback against eager, which could result in some poor penalties for them and some PP’s for us. thats all he is doing. Same thing with him trashing Bieksa after the game trying to piss them off to show and possibly get a penalty just for personal vendetta.
JR
by SharksFan42085 on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Not going to make much of a difference. The team has been pretty disciplined this year.
The coach did respond though. Seems last year ( in regards to the “phony” comment ) Eager turned down Hordichuk many times, and Rypien ( who is outweighed by 45 pounds, and is probably 4 inches shorter ), Eager would not get in the same zip code as.
Its all gamesmanship, but it only works if the guys let it. Though, if the game gets out of hand tomorrow, expect fireworks!
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
haha
I am already expecting fireworks regardless!
I expect to see a hungrier sharks tomorrow and nucks as well. should be a good one!
Why would Bieksa turn down Clowe only to minutes later start up with Marleau of all people?
JR
by SharksFan42085 on May 19, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I did not see that
Lapierre turned down Clowe, but that is not surprising.
Marleau initiated that fight. I don’t know why anyone would be upset with Bieksa, to tell you the truth. All Marleau had to do was skate away. He put his stick between the legs ( the next move in goading a guy, followed by bringing it UP )…then decided against it, sent the gloves flying, and grabbed Bieksa.
It was only at that point he went. So, not sure about “starting up” with anyone. It was a one goal game. Not the best time to do that anyhow Marleau said afterwards he was trying to get his guys going.
I respect that totally. As I do him getting it handed to him. The only thing that blew me away was the obvious ( I mean, like AV said, he is going beserk at the Sharks bench ) running of a star player.
Consider what would have happened if Daniel does not get his arms up, with all the NHL brass in attendance, and Eager runs the Hart nom from behind and breaks his face or something.
Would have been a shitstorm, no?
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
you must’ve missed all the cross checks bieksa was giving marleau literally seconds to the fight. marleau HAD to drop the gloves
BLEED TEAL
Good Lord
Not quite. It was nothing new there, my friend. Bieksa was ready to oblige if Marleau wanted to go, but it was Marleau that totally wanted to. I imagine Juice would rather not in a close game.
Giving him seconds to go? Holy. That was the hockey version of the two of them saying hello. Marleau cross check, Bieksa cross check. Marleau puts his stick between the legs. He grabs first.
Why is it so tough to understand that Marleau wanted to go? He said exactly that afterwards, to “get my guys going”. Again, nothing new here.
I know he lost, but that is a hockey player doing whatever he can. I imagine he was a little pissed at Eager for doing his thing afterwards. It killed all the momentum he tried for. There is more of a jolt to be gained most the time, when a non fighter goes. Its him telling his bench he is doing whatever he can, that he is, like Joe said afterwards, a “gamer”.
So I don’t know about HAD to, my friend. He wanted to, and he did. He thought the act of a team leader that never fights would get his team going.
Not his fault that Eager decided he could not fight his own battle and ran Daniel in “retribution”. He said exactly that in the post game interviews. I don’t get it. He is two inches taller and 20 lbs or so heavier. He plays hockey.
He knew what he was doing, sorry.
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
watch the video
it escalates from just some regular pushing to bieksa forcing the issue. I’m sure marleau thought, hey I’m down to go if you are, but I don’t think marleau went over to bieksa with the specific intent to fight him. Bieksa pushed the issue and marleau obliged him
Everyone and their mother knew that marleau was gonna lose. He doesn’t fight. Bieksa is a good fighter
BLEED TEAL
Lu just can’t catch a break! When the going gets tough, he only shows up to win a Gold Medal… in front of 18,000 crazy fans, who are probably ready to pin him to a cross, tie him to a stake and burn him as a witch if he blows the game.
He’s an exceptional goalie with excellent goaltending numbers, who may give up the odd bad goal, perhaps a little more than what you expect from the elite tenders, but yes, he IS that good.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
So we get two high sticks to the face, and a dive that leads to the game winning goal in Game 1… and of course its Vigneault complaining. The Canucks went from OK in my book to one of my least favorite teams really quick.
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I hate to think
That bad calls are going to decide this series or any other. We’re either not good enough to beat the Canucks or we’re not getting maximum effort from everyone on this team? IMO.
How many times...
Is this team going to make excuses or come up short? I know the Canucks have been waiting 40 years for a Cup compared to our 20 years, but they’ve also been to a finals before (trevor linden anyone?).
If not this team then who? If not now then when? I loved the effort before this series and I’m trying to wrap my head around why? Why are we playing so poorly, especially in the third period? Is it us, is it them?
Doug Wilson, what say you? I haven’t heard much from him lately, has anyone else?
Hate to say it...
Team Teal is a good team. I think the problem with the Sharks in this series is that they are trying to match the nucks stride for stride, punch for punch. Sj is not that type of team unfortunately. We are not a finesse team.
In order to beat a team such as the nucks you have to play a contained game. You can go out there thinking you will match them. Think back to when Dallas beat us three or four years ago in the Semis. We were the finesse team and they beat us with grit, and a contained system, if im not mistaken they played a trap based system, very boring style, but it gets the job done. I think with a team like the nucks SJ has to clog the neutral zone and make entry into the zone difficult. Basically force Van to make a mistake in the neutral zone thus allowing Sj chances to pounce for quick transition. being a puck possession team doesnt mean we are finesse. I think SJ and TM need to solve that very quickly.
DW has not been interviewed lately I have no clue why though. Thats the beauty of sports, you never know when its your teams turn to win the whole thing, It takes a strong group mentally and physically to do it.
JR
by SharksFan42085 on May 19, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree
Unfortunately I’m not sure we can change who we are before tomorrow nights game. I hope it’s a complete effort. I can take losing if we leave it all out there. But this is just painful to watch.
Agreed
It is very painful to watch. last night in particulars!! lol
Have faith! Sj will make the necessary adjustments, and you have to agree that home ice never felt so good!!!
It all starts tomorrow!!
Just don’t read any other hockey media, aside from Fear the Fin, or CSNBayarea.com, otherwise you will get depressed due to the Sharks bashing going on, thats what im doing haha
JR
by SharksFan42085 on May 19, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the sharks’ biggest problem is that they’ve had too many passengers in game 1 & 2. Wasn’t it like 5 days ago FTF was touting the deep offence that the Sharks have? They need to show up to make this into a series.
I agree, but...
With the amount of penalties Sj is taking, unfortunately it cancels out our depth.
We use guys like Heater, Jumbo, Pavs, marleau etc on the Pk, so that ice time they are getting playing a man down greatly diminishes any momentum and also tires them out quickly.
If we limited our penalties hen yes forward depth we have. Also, as stated numerous times, why isn’t braun playing?! Huskins although serviceable, is too slow for this series, Braun would help with the transition game and once we get demers back dress seven D.
JR
by SharksFan42085 on May 19, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Orange Out on Friday
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by SharksFanTillDeath on May 19, 2011 2:38 PM PDT reply actions
Not a huge fan of this… it’s always like a friggin nightgown on me! LOL! I guess it’s a good thing I’m going Sunday instead.
Waiting for the Cup to come to SJ since 1991...
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They won last time it was an Orange Out, so whatever helps, but I too am not a big fan. Just hope 100% wears theirs instead of only half the crowd. I think I remember the team complaining about that last year.
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by SharksFanTillDeath on May 19, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, for some reason
You can never get the SJ crowds to universally get behind a upper-body color scheme. It’s all over the place!
I bet they could do a Black Out, possibly Teal. But it’s hard to take off a $350 Douglas Murray-signed Black Armour Jersey and put on a free, orange t-shirt that says Barracuda Networks. You’re already wearing a t-shirt!
by meetyourmako on May 19, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
it's a visual thing
think Calgary’s sea of red. Kind of intimidating to see everyone united and makes the crowd really pop out.
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by SharksFanTillDeath on May 19, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly
The “Sea of Red” in Calgary just makes it look like all the seats are empty
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
We’re trying to get the SF Giants mojo magic.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
So in January we lost six in a row
And then went on to something ridiculous like 26-4-4.
Maybe now that we’ve lost 5 of our last 6 we’ll go on to win 8 in a row?
by Old Kentucky Shark on May 19, 2011 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh. I suppose that is a possibility.
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by Evil Stanchion on May 19, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Last Sharks game i saw like tht
That 6-3 shitfest in chicago. Sharks responded by popping off and winning their next few games in a row. Everytime the Sharks have looked down and out this season and these playoffs they have come back a stronger and a better team than they were before. So Sharks fans I ask you
Why should this moment be any different?
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Dont boo your team!
I know we're down 2-0, but this isn't over yet.
We have to get two victories back at the Tank and knot this series up. That’s the series right there. We have to win both at home.
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I think we should get over this loss even though it is hard to and start believing again. I think the team doesn’t believe they can beat the nucks or its just a lack of confidence but they don’t have the resiliency anymore. Losing three in a row to the wings did more damage mentally then physically and I think it was evident last night, this team needs a win to get its mentality right again and I hope it starts Friday night. And they need to play as a team and not as individuals.
Regarding Eager apologists:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=366271
I hope that both teams show up to play tomorrow and none of the nonsense from last night’s game carries over.
As Fraser mentioned – it’s up to the refs and he’s right. They could’ve stopped everything by just calling roughing minors on Bieska/Marleau, they didn’t and then they let things get out of hand.
It’s nice that he’s writing what he would do, the problem is he’s sitting on the sidelines watching on a TV with instant replay. The refs on the ice really just need to do a better job all over the place.
Me too
6 penalties, 20 minutes in the box. Finishes with a +/- of 0 only because he’s in the box while the goal are scored against us. Only thing he didn’t do was shoot it in his own net.
Motivation?
"You get frustrated when you feel their team is better than your team and this year we have a better team, that’s the bottom line," Sedin said.
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I hope so
Because they’re not better than us. They’re just better playing better as a team and making less mistakes. A lot less.
The whole interview is up on Canucks.com It was not meant in that context at all. He was pretty careful about that actually!
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
I don’t even think he’s talking about the Sharks team at all actually…but whatever. It just goes to show you that all of the Vancouver fans who are complaining about what the Sharks are doing really shouldn’t – the Canucks have done the exact same thing for the past few years. It seems they have learned their lesson, now we have to see if the Sharks have.
Let's veer the pity parade off-topic for a bit
Thrashers sale is all but done, True North to announce deal on Tuesday.
I’ll repeat what I said on Twitter: don’t drag this out True North, announce it tomorrow if you’ve got the deal done already. Don’t subject us to an entire weekend of gloating Canadians happy that a team is “back”.
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Great!
Now we can trade Heatley to Winnipeg and get Zach Bogosian for him.
I could only wish.
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by OrangeJulius on May 19, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure that Canadians or the Thrashers would take Heatley back, but while we’re at it let’s ask for Byfuglien!
by meetyourmako on May 19, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I just threw up in my mouth a bit
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
You know
Happy for the people of Winnipeg that they’re getting another hockey team, but kind of feel sorry for them that it’s the Thrashers.
I wish it hadn't been a Sun Belt team moving
The last thing the anti-Sun Belt morons needs is more ammunition.
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Thrashers aren’t that bad.
They’ve got Pavelec, Bogosian’s a stud, and they have Enstrom developing too.
Kane is a pretty good start in terms of fowards. Plus they get to play the likes of Calgary 6 times a season. HEHE.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I'm not gonna deny Winnipeg got a fantastic base to build a team off of
But frankly, the last thing I need in my Internet travels is cocky Canadian and Northeast US fans who had their beliefs that hockey can’t succeed in warm weather locations affirmed with this move.
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Unfortunately, they’ll always blame the region and it being a “non-traditional hockey market” when really it’s poor ownership that does teams like the Thrashers in.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 19, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
SJ
Is a wild success story and a model for “Sunbelt” teams, no?
I have never thought of the Sharks in that vein myself. Ever. They are a solid team in every reagrd that way. Really, I think some of the folk you think of get annoyed when they see all the empty seats in Atlanta, and the other strugglers.
Because it means higher ticket prices etc. as the wealthy teams squeeze a little more to pay their revenue sharing cheques.
Atlanta is only a “non traditional” market because they refuse to support the team any more. Nashville, SJ, Dallas has struggled, but is a strong market…TBay is good, Miami not so much.
Sometimes I get their point, but I just look at how they look on my TV. For years, SJ has never been anything other than a model team in all respects.
Nashville has been well run, and is doing well now. But come on, Boots frigging Del Biagio (sp)
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
I heard some talk. Their management crashed and burned a ton on their player development. They had little to no effort to establish hockey in the grass-roots level, and they had to compete with a extremely successful baseball, and recently, basketball AND football team.
Plus, their demographic is older than the usual city around the states, making the conditions even less favourable, no?
It’s definitely harder to start a team in the southern states, and what they need is a dedicated owner who is willing to take on all parts of the enterprise, not just the hockey itself.
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by Vancouverguy on May 20, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
So are they going to be the Winnipeg Thrashers? Or is the league getting back the Jets?
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by SharksFanTillDeath on May 19, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely not the Thrashers, and I heard the owners want to get away from the Jets.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Aw, but then we can’t make a bunch of dorky West Side Story jokes when the Jets play the Sharks!
by meetyourmako on May 20, 2011 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Moving to Atlanta this summer
Was hoping to at least see the Sharks every other year. Hmmm… I wonder what’s closer, Nashville or Tampa?
Well said, especially not counting on a team blowing a 3-0 lead playing the way it has. Against the Red Wings we blew our lead because each of those games could have gone either way in the first place. Nucks blew their lead against the Hawks because Luogno has nightmares about them, justified or not, and thus plays like a steaming turd vs them since he’s always quaking in his boots.
That said, San Jose has been the better team when they have their legs and are skating. The problem is obviously in both games Vancouver has played 60 minutes, and San Jose has not. Game 1 they played ~35 minutes. Game 2 they played 20 minutes.
Disciple has been a problem. PKing drains a good amount of energy (on top of PKs that then also let in a goal, physically and mentally draining).
I don’t know what the problem with the 3rd line is. They are our speed/energy & finesse line, but they’re playing like old men.
Clowe’s injury is hampering the 2nd line, because he is the primary spacemaker for that line. Without the space and drawing defenders to him, Heatley is erased, and Couture can’t do it all himself (though he’s made some serious palys and good attempts at a solo go).
Huskins played ok for not having played for a long time. However that doesn’t mean that play in itself is even remotely good. Questionable decisions aside, he’s just not getting pucks out, not moving pucks up, and not making tape to tape passes like Demers can.
I think Braun can do the job needed, which is speed, energy, and yes a little offensive recklessness. He’d be paired with Vlasic (unlike before he was up when he was with Wallin, too slow to cover his mistakes) so I think it would work out fine even if he overextends a little bit.
If they can skate the entire game, they’ll win and be back into it. If they don’t, next week we’ll be talking UFA D-men and roster changes for next season while rooting for the Lightning/Bruins to win the cup. It is that simple. Show up to play 60 minutes, and we can win.
Nucks blew their lead against the Hawks because Luogno has nightmares about them, justified or not, and thus plays like a steaming turd vs them since he’s always quaking in his boots.
Let me clear that up for you: The team in front of Luongo decided not to show up and hung him out to dry repeatedly
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
And Luongo handled himself pretty damn good in Game 7. Wasn’t that a pressure game? Well, he DID let in 1 goal……
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
…with 30 seconds left, short-handed, to tie the game
by meetyourmako on May 20, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
TL;DR
Just kidding. ;) I agree!
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 8:04 PM PDT reply actions
ugh, reply fail....
was suppose to be for VVwhirlwind
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 19, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nemo's play...
What does everyone think of nemo’s play so far?
Granted the guy has been left to dry this series numerous times, BUT as I was watching the games with some buddies we all pointed out some goals that he should have prevented.
I feel it goes both ways for starters the players need to step up and pull their heads out of their you know whats and keep their heads on a swivel like we are taught from day 1, and on the flip side nemo needs to make the key stop preventing said goals.
Pressure, pressure, pressure is the name of the contain game to stop the Sedin sisters, I have not seen it yet this series, hopefully T-mac addresses that in time for tomorrow.
How does everyone feel in terms of what the players are saying and doing? I do not get the sense that the players are so down on themselves like last year after being down 0-2. Last year I immediately got the feeling that the players knew they had no chance against the hawks.
Just curious to see what others think!!!
Go Sharks!!!!!
JR
Not trying to entirely blame nemo...
But it goes both ways, you know? I totally agree that the defense needs to be cleaned up, but I can’t help but point out some goals im sure nemo wishes he could get back.
JR
by SharksFan42085 on May 19, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Blaming Nemo for the last two games would be the most retarded thing I've heard to date.
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Again...
I never said I blamed Nemo for the losses….I was just stating a few of those goals were right there in his proximity to stop.
Again I am not blaming Nemo for the losses or for playing badly
JR
by SharksFan42085 on May 19, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Clarifying:
Goalies are easy to blame. The bigger problem we are having is defending weak side of play on turnovers.
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I just want to make sure....
I am not blaming nemo.
I don’t know how many times I have to reiterate that statement.
I totally agree with your analysis, and to go even further I would like to see team teal play a tighter neutral zone, forcing Van to go through them (which Van likes to try and do) thus, forcing them into turnovers, I want to see them try and skate through Murray or Wallin for that matter.
On another note any chance braun can get in?!
JR
by SharksFan42085 on May 19, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Not saying that you did...just reiterating that as it seems to come up a lot.
Braun may play again. It’s really up to TMC and his assessment of Braun vs. likely counterpart(s) in Vanc. I
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Or just avoid those neutral zone turnovers altogether. That’s probably the biggest reason as to how we are consistently in the offensive zone.
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by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Curious
What happened over at NM to bring so many of their members in here?
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Nothing has to happen
Some people just want a take of what the other side says. It makes for good discussion anyways.
We tend to visit the opposing blogs a lot.
Plus, there really isn’t enough credible and interesting hockey sources around. I’ve already disengaged myself from all avenues of local and national newsprint, so FTF and NM are my fixes.
It’s also interesting to see the games in a different point of view.
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by Vancouverguy on May 20, 2011 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Sharks win 7-3! Take 2-0 series lead!
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by Evil Stanchion on May 19, 2011 10:49 PM PDT reply actions
Is that CA supposed to represent Canada or California?
by meetyourmako on May 20, 2011 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
The pink lips is a nice touch
Is that to raise funds for Breast Cancer or something?
Nuck’s Misconduct Bishop, 1st United Church of Luongod Canucks coach Alain Vigneault claimed he knew exactly what Rome was doing on his goal even if the player himself didn't. "That was a set play," winked Vigneault. 5/19/11
by vancitydan on May 20, 2011 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe that's a baby pacifier
At least that’s what it looks like to me
by Old Kentucky Shark on May 20, 2011 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
These things.
"What has two thumbs and resembles a tool shed... THIS GUY."
"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
Love the “Nuke the Whales.” Their expressions are priceless!
by meetyourmako on May 20, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
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