Sharks fail to convert on their opportunities in 4-2 loss to the Canucks
by FTF Staff on May 22, 2011 4:44 PM PDT
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Sharks Head Coach Todd McLellan loves to talk about opportunity.
Whether it be a shift to start a period, the rush of adrenaline leading up to a tilt, or a specific moment in a game where one play can swing the momentum in a positive direction, opportunity is all around us. Both in life as well as this great sport we love.
Opportunity didn't evade San Jose today. San Jose evaded opportunity.
"When you look at our execution, our passing, our face-offs, opportunities to win pucks, you start breaking out all the time," McLellan said. "And when you're against the number one penalty kill in the League, you have to be sharp. And we weren't. It was as simple as that."
San Jose's power play, which came into today's game functioning at an unworldly 46% rate, had numerous opportunities to bury the Canucks early-- Vancouver was dinged for five penalties in the first twenty four minutes of the game. In other words, San Jose played nearly half of the first period and beginning of the second with the man advantage. But San Jose couldn't convert-- entries into the zone were a sloppy affair as the Sharks drove middle and couldn't complete the kick out to the half wall, passing after gaining the zone was tentative and in small spaces, traffic in front of Roberto Luongo was lighter than an apple walnut salad, and a tenaciousness that will define a team's ability to go for the jugular was nonexistent.
The Sharks had the Canucks on the ropes, the crowd roaring as the finishing moves were promised but never applied. The three count that could have been.
"We just didn't execute. I think it was us. They had a strong stance at the blueline, they had four accross," Logan Couture said between gritted teeth. "We tried different things, we tried to force pucks. We just didn't execute."
Although the lack of conversion is likely to be laid at the feet of San Jose, credit Vancouver's penalty kill for regaining the swagger that made them the best shorthanded unit in the League during the regular season. Roberto Luongo was a big part of the Canucks win tonight, shutting the door on the chances San Jose had while giving up a very limited amount of rebounds throughout the tilt. When he did kick out a rebound Vancouver's strong defensive unit was up to the task, clearing pucks from the dangerous areas of the ice.
"I think we just did our job. It's what the PK has to do, we have to outwork the power play. I think from the first period in game three on we did what we wanted to do and continued it," Canucks center Ryan Kesler said. "It's tough [to start off the game with 5 penalties] but we have to do it."
Following San Jose's missed opportunities in the first half of the tilt, Vancouver was blessed with three opportunities of their own. In a span of two minutes and forty six seconds the Sharks paraded to the box with reckless abandon, much like the parade that permeated throughout the second period of game three. With Dany Heatley, Torrey Mitchell, Kyle Wellwood, and Douglas Murray in the box for high sticking, hooking, too many men, and delay of game infractions respectively, the Canucks got to work with three 5 on 3 advantages.
The Sharks dodged a bullet on the 5v3 in game three. Tonight, they took three of them right in the chest.
"We got away with it last time. We blocked shots, we didn't block them tonight," Sharks defenseman Dan Boyle said. "I'm not going to blame the three guys that were out there, they did what they could. It's bound to go in 5 on 3 when you give up that many opportunities."
Vancouver went on to score three times in a span of 1:55, with all three of those second period goals coming at 5 on 3. Ryan Kesler opened the scoring with a laser of a one-timer that was set up by Henrik Sedin and Sami Salo. Salo and Sedin would go on to contribute on the next two as well, with Henrik finding Salo two more times on the same set play high in the zone. A pair of point shots from the 36 year old Finn gave the Canucks a 3-0 lead, with his final shot proving to be the game winner.
"I didn't like the penalties that originated the five on threes. Heater's penalty, a turnover at the line and then the hook. Then Mitchell's penalty was one where he reached in. And then it snowballs from there," Sharks Head Coach Todd McLellan said. "It's hard to argue too many men on the ice and it's certainly hard to argue the puck out of play."
"I can't sit here and whine and bitch about the officiating. Because it had absolutely nothing to do with it."
It took Vancouver a mere two minutes to turn the tides of a game that San Jose had dominated up to that point, two minutes that San Jose had been blessed with five times before. In a game of opportunity, those tides can sink the stoutest of vessels, submerge even the strongest of ships. And although the Sharks would go on to make things interesting in the final frame, getting a pair of goals from Andrew Desjardins and Ryane Clowe to cut the deficit to two at the 7:02 and 15:55 mark respectively, it was not enough.
Opportunity is a fickle sword, one whose blade can cut both ways throughout the course of a game and series. With San Jose's back pressed against the wall, and the prospect of a second straight Western Conference Finals loss staring them dead in the face, the Sharks must now win three in a row including two in the less than hospitable Rogers Arena.
It's not the most appealing of situations. But the locker room, like they have shown all throughout this season, still remains confident in their ability to persevere.
"We played with our back against the wall last game, we played well. If we can play desperate hockey, you know we've got everything to lose here," Ryane Clowe said. "We haven't won yet in Vancouver, we haven't even played good hockey. We've been good on the road [this year]. Their only hope is to close it out there, they don't want to come back to San Jose."
"Sometimes if you can make them play an extra game back in here, you get your momentum back."
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Hey Sharks, on Tuesday all you need to do...
"From this day forward, play like you give a damn. Play like you want it more. Play like it’s your last game. Leave nothing in the tank, then come back and do it again. Do it to silence your critics. Do it for your loyal fans. But, most of all, do it for yourselves. Being this close to a championship may never come again. Do it now." -Vegas Shark 4/4/2010
by 420Sharksfan on May 22, 2011 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Gonna have to be in seven now.
Three in a row isn’t easy, but this time of year what is… I still feel like Detroit is a better team than Vancouver (all things considered) so if the Sharks can win that, then they can win this.
Now all that said, I’ve got to come out and admit that I’ve been a Vancouver fan this year. Sharks first and foremost and forever, but when they weren’t playing or when Yahoo showed a Vancouver game, I was watching. (It helped that I had Luongo in 3 Fantasy leagues—and not coincidentally finished in the top 4 in three leagues as well—so I had a bit of a vested interest) So if the Canucks win, I won’t be devastated. That and their fans have been pretty cool, unlike the Detroit and Chicago folks… Especially the ones who are STILL trolling even after their seasons are over… So if it can’t be the Sharks, then I’m okay with it being the Canucks.
But, dammit, if it’s got to be the Canucks then let it be in 7! And overtime at that! Go down swinging, and take the next two!
I Blame the Ticket Scalpers and Season Ticket Holders.
For letting nearly 4,000!! YES 4,000!!! Canucks fans walk into our barn. Where’s the loyalty season ticket holders??!! You fucks make me sick.
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by OrangeJulius on May 22, 2011 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
According to Sharkspage, that's a number coming from the Vancouver media.
I was at the game, and it didn’t seem like 1/4 of the place was Canucks fans.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It was pretty close to.
Even 2000 is too much, considering the Sharks have a season ticket base of over 95% Sharks fans have sold out on their team.
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by OrangeJulius on May 22, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
It was way too many Canucks fans for sure, but I think 4,000 is a little high of an estimation.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That number is total BS. They filled the END of the lower section of the bowl about half way during warmups.
1500-2000 is more like it.
The SAD part is that our fans were so quiet, you’d have thought this was South Vancouver. None of the energy from G7 last week.
It just feels like the Tank let them down.
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I think the 12 O'clock start had a little to do with that.
Unlike Game 2 against Detroit which was also played at noon, the Sharks weren’t able to score early and the fans never really got into it.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Well if the Sharks scored on one of their gazillion power plays in the first, the crowd would’ve been a whole lot louder. The 5 on 3s kinda sucked all the energy out of the arena
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I was about to say
The players have to throw the crowd a bone
I will not walk so that a child may live!
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Sometimes the players need to hear us when they are down. We dropped them on the floor.
The worst part? I had breakfast at San Pedro square. It was all blue and green. I’m not saying no San Jose fans showed up, but they were WAY outnimbered by the bus-ins.
So now I know what it feels like to have a team break into your house, eat your food, rape your dog, and steal your wife.
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And now that they know they CAN do it...
…they will continue to until WE show up.
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We did chant though. After it was 1-0, 2-0, and hell even 3-0. Sure it wasn’t as loud as it usually is but I think the fans tried hard enough considering the circumstances
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
We were trying the best we could.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
we were up at the top and yelling as loud as possible!!!
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
GO SHARKS.
Just like those Laker fans at ARCO these past few years.
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Not aimed at those that tried...
…more aimed at those that didn’t.
I KNOW everyone here was loud. ;-)
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noon games are bs it's Vs fault for their stupid TV scheduling
Why would we have to have such an early game when both teams are in the West. What Vs has to make time for Cycling comon. Stupid stuff.. I was at the tank on Firday and lost my voice screaming for the Sharks…so I would expect that the same happend on Sat. Shark fans can only control so much but if there is a game six which I think this is going to seven with a Shark win. Fans better loose their voice in game 6 rooting for their Shark team. We are not band wagon fans so step it up people.
by San_Hezzy_Playa on May 23, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I was there too--
a lot of freaking Canuck fans but I don’t think 4,000. A fan in front of us said there were 3 buses that drove down with fans. Also, it’s a $200 round-trip flight. Not that different than us going to Anaheim or LA.
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
GO SHARKS.
More power to them for following their team, but I still hated it. :)
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah that would make sense since it seemed like there was a whole section that was mostly Canucks fans. It drove me insane. These are the playoffs people, we gotta stand our ground
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, taunt them...
Get college football all over their ass and give them some semi-tasteless student section treatment so they go back complaining and never return lol.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on May 23, 2011 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I just want to say this is a brilliant idea.
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on May 23, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
sounded like it on tv
could clearly hear the "Luuuuuu"s and cheering when Vanc. scored.
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Unfortunately, No. It was just like that.
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4,000 geez
I was there and it seemed like a lot but 4,000. If there’s a Game 6, we need to find a way to counteract the Luuuus cause that was pissing me off
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Good grief, there was so many there. I was wondering the same thing about the season ticket holders as well.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, here's one season ticket holder
Who desperately wishes he had $300 instead of that terrible memory.
by nawanda37 on May 22, 2011 5:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Season ticket holder here
I was at the game today and it def wasn’t close to 4000.
Also, when a season ticket holder sells their tickets, they can’t tell what fan they are selling to. When I have sold them in the past to strangers, all i know is their name; not who they root for. if more Canuck fans are buying tickets it is more of a statement about sharks fans than sharks season ticket holders. I doubt season ticket holders are only willing to sell to Canuck fans. If Canuck fans are willing to spend more on tickets than we are then those fans are MORE COMMITTED. The tickets are, after all, the same price for them as they are for us.
So while I agree that tickets are priced ridiculously high, I would not blame the season tickets holders for the high attendance of canuck fans and as a season ticket holder I do not appreciate being called a “fuck”
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by waive kent huskins on May 22, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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Talked to a Canucks fan after the game and he said upper bowls in HP were about $200 cheaper than uppers in Rogers— factor in plane ticket cost and it ends up being about the same for them to attend games here as it does in Vancouver.
Was really impressed with the turnout this weekend from the Nucks camp. Good fans.
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by Mr. Plank on May 22, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I’m not gonna lie I was definitely very impressed by their turnout. The volume of the “Luuuuu’s” almost made me feel like I was in Vancouver
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by waive kent huskins on May 22, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
Jason.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 22, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Factor in hotel cost though, I guess...
That said… beer surely is cheaper here.. lol
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by SeanCrosby87 on May 23, 2011 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually,
The guys in front of us had flown in at 9am and were going from the Tank straight back to the airport for an evening flight. Said that flight would be filled with Canucks. That’s incredible—that’s the caliber fan we’re talking.
I wish I had the ability to do that.
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
GO SHARKS.
definitely dedicated...
that’s a fanbase that would all rock an orange shirt, even though orange isn’t even in their logo.
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by SharksFanTillDeath on May 23, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually...
no. you wouldn’t catch us dead in an orange short, or any coloured tshirt for that matter. Admittedly we do have some suits that pay 800+ for a ticket, but most of us would rather just wear a jersey or our own hoodie. Wearing the same shirt is too much like college sports.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Hah. I think it has as much to do with how expensive the tickets are here. You can’t even find lower bowl tickets for anything less than 700-800 CDN now. That’s why our home games have been so quiet.
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by Vancouverguy on May 23, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I managed to scoop up a pair of tickets in row 2 in the corner of the lower bowl for $275 each in game 2 of this series. ($550) The arena was ROCKING. CBC adjusts the volume of the arena so that it is much quieter than it actually is. Easier for their commentators.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn that's expensive.
And the Canadian dollar is higher than the American one too!
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by hautecouture on May 23, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I drove 24 hours round trip
spent 200 on gas, 240 bucks on a jersey plus 260 for a ticket to go to game 2 of the Canucks Preds series which we lost in double OT :(
I didn’t have the ability to do it financially but VISA is everywhere I need to be!!!
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by Section 312 on May 24, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
And to kind of finish my thought
The Sharks have great fans.
I know it sucks when other teams fans are in your building. We get it with the Habs and Leafs in the regular season. I for one won’t judge your fan base by the people, probably ticket touts, who sold their tickets.
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by Section 312 on May 24, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
What is this, Section. Visiting Ftf, but not grace us with your presence?!
Did you have a chance to take a look at the Gary Neville Testimonial today?
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by Vancouverguy on May 24, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
I am at work. Don’t really care about testimonials. Love Nevs but not worth my time.
I am visiting lots of blogs. And I am on NM all the time reading all the comments.
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by Section 312 on May 24, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
4000 Canucks in the Tank? 2000? Hell ... who cares?
It really only took 20 Canucks. To me, that’s the ugly in the mirror that the Sharks need to look face-2-face at and man-up to.
Every Sharks player needs a gut-check. Please, bring the game this team is oh-so-capable of. I expected…hoped … wanted so much more. A battle of wills, talents, heart, etc. from which the victor is stronger for the testing.
1 vs. 2 in the west, each with a fan base that deserve to see each team’s best on display.
So please, Sharks, show up for Game 5 with the grit you brought in Game 3. The fans here on FTF are worthy of y’all giving enough of a damn to show up. And thankQ, Joe T. for leading by example. Wish he was on our team.
Good luck, folks.
by Nux4Ever on May 22, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A weird game and a tough one to lose.
Nemo’s undoubtedly going to get a lot of flak for his less than stellar statistics from not only today but the series as a whole, but I think he can really only be blamed for the fourth goal and maybe Salo’s first. The loss today was on the guys in front of him for failing to execute on any of 5 PP opportunities and for taking stupid, undisciplined penalties. Despite this, the 4th line played very well and I thought the Sharks as a whole played pretty well at even strength.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 5:02 PM PDT reply actions
4th goal
Was all Murray’s fault for leaving Boyle out to dry on the 2 on 1.
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by OrangeJulius on May 22, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a bad pinch.
I don’t think Niemi played the angle extremely well though, either. They both were at fault on the goal.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
nobody can fault a goalie
on a 2 on 1. 2 on 2 yes.
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by OrangeJulius on May 22, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh
I didnt want to see this happen. But it unfortunately did. Backs against the wall. Nothing to lose. Go all out, take it to them. Make them pay. Show them what desperation is all about. Go Sharks. Win it in 7!
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Heatley.
I think I’m done with this bad project gone terrible. The guy can not skate to save his life, people knocked Cheechoo for his skating ability, but Heatley is the worst. At least Cheech never flopped around the ice when nobody was touching him. The Sharks gave up a ton of team speed and cap space to get this guy and now its biting them in the ass two years running.
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by Evil Stanchion on May 22, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't that be...
a CHEECH-trick??
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I’m a huge Heater fan and I even agree with you. I want him to play better
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah dude, he's kinda like a Marleau that can't skate and falls over all the time for no reason.
Maybe we can trade him for a legit #2 defenseman.
by SanFranciscoKnights on May 22, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The game might've sucked, but at least we managed to get this gem.
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by Joeface on May 22, 2011 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No Joe Thornton?
Didnt return for the remaining 10 minutes of the game. I would like to say it was precautionary cause the game was out of reach. Where the hell has Pavelski been? Maybe this forces him to step up and show why he could have been captain.
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So, damn
It didn’t feel like we lost this game. If it wasn’t for those 5v3’s (not complaining about the calls, but just saying if they didn’t happen) then we probably would have won.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 5:12 PM PDT reply actions
Oh and if we didn’t blow all the PP’s we had. Damn that was just annoying.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh
That’s what kills me. The Sharks could’ve put it out of reach on those power plays alone. I was hoping that they’d pot at least one or two of them
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I know! We had SO many opportunities. I mean how many did we have in a row, like 5, 6? We need to capitalize on those!
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It was very numbing.
It felt like we gave them the game.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Numbing is the perfect word
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone go over this for me, 'cuz I was at work.
What did the Sharks fuck up on tonight? I need a detailed list. Try to keep the word count under 1000, but I’ll understand if it exceeds.
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In Short
1st Period: Sharks had 5 powerplays, did not show any work ethic and failed on all of them.
2nd Period: Sharks began period with a PP and still no work ethic. Then Heatley, Mitchell, Couture, and Murray take dumb penalties giving the Canucks 3 consecutive 5 on 3s. Sharks break down mentally.
3rd Period: Canucks sit back and contain the lead. Raffi Torres runs Thornton and injures him and doesnt return. Sharks get two meaningless goals.
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by OrangeJulius on May 22, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry if this is too simple.
1st Period: Sharks go one and done on multiple power plays. Canucks 0. Sharks 0.
2nd Period: 5 on 3 power plays kill Sharks. Canucks 3, Sharks 0.
3rd Period: Sharks look just like the First Period Sharks. Canucks 4. Sharks 2.
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IMO
Everytime we appeared to move into the offensive zone we started that dump and chase and it killed us even on PP they moved up and sometimes in but overall dump and chase???WTF
This picture would be cooler if the Sharks won...
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by idunno723 on May 22, 2011 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So I’m thinking that I like this 4th line much better than the other 4th line.
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Im not liking this 3rd line with zero production.
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by OrangeJulius on May 22, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Swap Pavs & Heater
to each other’s line? Maybe Joe Clutch would come through playing with Clowe and Cooch. Heater, well, he’ll play like he will, but on the 3rd line. Maybe it’ll spark both of them.
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McLellan was going with this at the end of the game tonight:
Marleau-Thornton-Couture
Clowe-Pavelski-Setoguchi
Wellwood-Mitchell-Heatley
Mayers-Desjardins-McGinn
Pavelski actually looked dangerous out there with them, easily his best period this series. Only thing I don’t like about it is the fact that the third line is really exposed in their own end (and SJS is on the road for game five), but frankly, Heatley needs to be demoted to switch up the vibe. Just get this feeling he’s been dragging down that second line this series, because outside of Couture, that entire line has been clown shoes. Middle six forwards have really struggled for San Jose.
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Now you have me thinking that he should be dropped to the 4th line.
Whatever happens, TMC has to do whatever it takes to win (I’ve said that before), regardless of how much a player makes, and regardless of who the “top” players are.
If you mention ending your life, or show signs of self-harm, I will take you seriously!
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Great point, Soloact. Coaches have to bring it too.
On Vancouver, I’d personally like Ballard to play more for the Canucks. Likely becuz I like what I see him do.
Yet he sits a lot, cuz Coach AV doesn’t like what he doesn’t see Ballard do way too much. So he’s often a $4.2 million / year scratch. Balls > words.
Yeah, Pav did look dangerous.
Certainly he played with more grit and heart. Are Lines 3 and 4 enough like listed above, or would you suggest something different for them?
Yes, this 4th line has been good so far.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, the 4th line
Was good tonight. It’s easy to say in retrospect, but they deserved some of that PP time. In my defense, I was saying it at the time too.
by nawanda37 on May 22, 2011 5:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that pic stings us Nucks fans. He impressed in Game 3. Ask Erhoff and Rome.
(We prefer the one Game 4 pic of McGinn ass-over-tea-kettle after D-Man Ballard’s payback.)
Rubber match in Game 5?
That was a clipping penalty if I ever saw one...
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on May 23, 2011 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
For clipping you have to hit below the knees.
We got that drilled into our heads after the BS Clipping call Ballard took against Nashville.
Work hard, play harder, rest easy.
The rule states ‘across or below the knees’. Clearly clipping.
by mattcaffeine on May 23, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Looked to me like Ballard got McGinn on the thighs, which would be legal.
Work hard, play harder, rest easy.
you should watch it again
he hits McGinn solidly in the thigh. McGinn is the one with his elbow up going into the hit.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
sort of a side note and not important at all at this point
but I never actually saw/heard what the delay of game penalty on murray was. anyone care to enlighten me?
by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 5:22 PM PDT reply actions
Murray sent the puck over the glass
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
oh gotcha
I think I was sending a text or something and looked up and all of the sudden it was 5v3 again haha
by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Murray in the neutral zone when he did that?
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I was at the game and I thought I saw the same thing but apparently he was in the defensive zone
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that’s what I saw as well. I was also at the game and was on that side and could have sworn he was in the neutral zone. Not that it matters, I know, but yeah I didn’t think he was in the defensive zone.
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well NBC didn’t show any replays, so no one on here knows for sure either. A Canucks fan said that they showed it on CBC and Murray was clearly in the defensive zone. Personally, I just want to see a replay because I was almost positive he was in the neutral
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Murray needed to make 1 more stride
When the puck left his stick it was 3 ft inside the blue line. You could tell right away from the look on his face that he knew it too.
Ahh ok. So it was close then. I guess from my perspective in the stands it was hard to see because I saw Murray from behind not from the side.
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Same.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Goddammit.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=lebrun_pierre&id=6576435
Work hard, play harder, rest easy.
damn it murray
he takes one step forward and thats not a penalty
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by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you! Damn Murray had so much time, what was he doing. Oh well…
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol I know that
Shit happens.
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Murray's 1 shit game.
All series and possibly cost the series. He was at fault for the 2 on 1 when Burrows scored the 4th goal. And obviously stretching the 5 on 3 penalties. Mental mistakes this late in the playoffs can not happen. Someone hire the Sharks a therapist.
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
3rd times the charm!
Ha, but ah damnit, thanks.
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I was more pissed at the too many men. That was all Couture. Again.
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
GO SHARKS.
Terrible Call.
Even the HNIC crew thought it was a cheap call.
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Disappointed
Opportunity lost. That’s the only way to describe it. Disappointed because this series could be 2 to 2 right now. We had that opportunity. Everything about this game felt weird from the start (so many Canucks fans there, early start, some less than intense play) but now all I feel is the disappointment of letting an stellar opportunity pass us by. Go Sharks! We know what we have to do now.
Thorton's in for Game 5
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Woohoo
Game 5 minus our captain would’ve spelled certain doom.
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Good news!
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Can someone with some good knowledge please break down the prospects of getting Heatley off our team in this offseason?
Potential trades and trade destinations? Can we release him?
by Rhapsody in Teal on May 22, 2011 6:25 PM PDT reply actions
He might be playing injured
So I wouldn’t throw him under the bus just yet. Plus, he’s coming off of a pretty poor season as far as statistics go. I honestly feel like he’s a good player, but he needs someone to set him up to shoot (Couture and Pavelski are great centers, but they’re scorers, not exactly playmakers like Thorton was on HTML). If the Sharks can get another setup center to pair him with, I think his numbers will do better.
But I digress, let’s focus on this season, because it ain’t over.
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by Joeface on May 22, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
We’re down, but not out and we should save the rosterbation for when we are officially out.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
I don’t want to talk like it’s over.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Clowe, Pavelski, and Setoguchi are playing hurt. Those Canuck fucks are some dirty ass players! (goes off and cries)
Clutch!
Well, to be fair...
We KNOW Erhoff and Rome are injured, so the Sharks aren’t entirely guiltless here.
Demers too.
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if you’re joking or not, but getting hurt doesn’t mean the other team are dirty players.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m a cry baby, okay! I want my team to win! They deserve it mor than the canucks do… BUT, DAMN IT! They need to play like it!
Clutch!
haha it’s cool. That’s why we’re here, we all want them to win.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
For +7 million
I don’t want a guy who needs to be set up to be effective. I can get that for half that cost, if not less.
If he's injured
demote him to the 3rd line. If he isn’t injured, maybe it’ll spark him. If he doesn’t like it, he might play the “I want to be traded” game in the offseason.
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Always saw Heatley as being like Brett Hull ...
More a 1-D sniper type.
Sharks need to play w/ the same desperation they finished the 3rd.
Now that they backs are against the wall. It is unacceptable to take so many penalties and fail on the PP so badly…they need to put in maximum effort and skate w/ the Canucks.
Please win on Tuesday for yourselves and for us. As Plank would say, God save us all – Go Sharks. :-)
Go Sharks!
Oh I thought you mean "they're playing with the same desperation"
My bad.
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All we need to do is win Game Five
If we can get the momentum rolling again, I feel that the sense of urgency and determination that carried us through two rounds will once again light a fire under the ass of the Boys in Teal. McClellan said it best, we can’t bitch and moan our way through this series. A 3-1 deficit is scores better than a 3-0. Win Game 5, bring it back to the Tank, then let the fuel feed the fire.
Mark my words: The Sharks can, and will, overcome this. The Teal have had to deal with a lot of “Biggest Game of the Franchise” situations this postseason. Of those game, only one of them have been a elimination-type setting (Game 7 vs DET). We’ve all seen what this team can do in a comeback situation, but this is a chance to prove to this city, this fanbase, that they’re not going to let the past, or statistics, or labels get to them. This isn’t just one “big” game. This is one “big” opportunity. This is three knocks at the gate. This is three last chances. This is three do or dies.
This is hockey.
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by Joeface on May 22, 2011 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Inspiring
rec’d
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I like your upbeat attitude!
Game 5 will definitely be a desperation hockey game for the Sharks.
Desperation hockey
sharks will win agreed
Nice! Rec'd.
All I ask for from the team is a bit of desperation and aggressiveness in their game! :]+
Go Sharks!
I think that was actually the problem.
the Ice was SO tilted in our favor, and we still got all the penalties.
So screwed up.
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rec'd for making me feel less shitty about the game
you know, this team has responded better with their backs against the wall than any other sharks team I’ve seen. If any team can come back, they can. Gotta play it one game at a time and work our way back into it.
oh… and lets fucking score on the powerplay next game. please and thank you. haha
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by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
REMEMBER ROUND 1, GAME 3?
I DO.
GO SHARKS GO.
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by Evil Stanchion on May 22, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
History Ain't Over...
Til it’s over
http://youtu.be/3M83WZ6MzyI
KEEP THE FAITH. GO SHARKS!
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Desperate Hockey By This Team? No Physicality In Game Four
It was obvious who wanted game four more. Can they all of a sudden turn it on again? Its amazing to me that a team as talented as the Sharks just doesn’t show up for some of their most important games. The spark just wasn’t there at all yesterday. Vancouver came out to get us back for knocking two of their defensemen out, took some stupid penalties, we had them right where we wanted them and then didn’t show up on the power play.
Vancouver was much more physical, much more hyped up for the game, and just took it too us. They seem to want it more than the Sharks do.
I hope that I am wrong, but yesterday was an embarrassment.
by The Sear on May 23, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yay… I still don’t know if I will be able to watch. If they win game 5, I’m definately gonna go to game six.
Clutch!
You should have
been there for Game 5 against Detroit. We may have not been in this situation.
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Since the Sharks lost and all, let's change the topic...
I watched this really great zombie movie last night. It’s called [Rec]. It’s from Spain. I will never sleep again though.
They remade it in the States under the name “Quarantine”, but that version isn’t nearly as good. So. If you feel like being scared shitless, watch [Rec].
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"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
Such a good movie
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll be checking this out tonight, thanks bud.
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JP: were you guys in the rafters area?
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During the postseason we’re always right above Section 222.
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I've never been to an NHL game.
Yet you get to go to all of the Sharks games? LAME.
(Though I’ll be making it out to Winnipeg if the Thrashers wind up there. ;D)
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"Why a tool shed?"
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by Evil Stanchion on May 22, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I kept looking for you and Matt, but I couldn't spot you. Angles to the press area were pretty bad from 221.
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I watched The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard.
Surprisingly, the Sharks were name-checked in it. Specifically they try to get a replacement for their stunt and say they can get “The mascot for the San Jose Sharks hockey team. He can’t wear the shark suit, but he’ll show.”
…It’s set in Temecula… So maybe someone wasn’t doing their joggerfie. Or they just didn’t care because it made for a better punchline.
On the brightbside. Giants beat Oak again
They caught one of those losers who tried to murder brian stow ,Hope they put his ass away for life!!
Peace and may the lord be with Brian Stow and his family
Thanks LA PD for getting that creep
Agreed.
Catching the evil piece of shit who beat up Bryan Stow made today a good day
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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So did Stow talk shit to that Dodger fan
who kicked his ass? Hmmmmmmmmm….
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
A's Fan Here.
So the Giants can kinda suck it… (Much respect for their championship, though. I AM NOT JEALOUS AT ALL, YOU CAN TELL BECAUSE I AM USING CAPS.)
But I’m real glad they caught the scum.
Glad they caught that fucker... I feel G fans would be glad too if some Halo's cunt did the same to one of our fans...
Even so… Fuck the Giants…
We’ll take you when you come to the town…
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by SeanCrosby87 on May 23, 2011 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions
This aint LA
SF will continue to whoop the dodgers
Its OK we got 4, they only have 1
Lots of catching up to do.
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
On the bright side, despite being surrounded by Canucks, I took great pride in yelling:
“I haven’t seen this much diving since flipper was on TV!”
“HEY, YOU’LL HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT HIGHER PLATFORM TO MAKE THAT DIVE STICK!”
“AIM FOR LU’s 5-HOLE, HE’S BOW LEGGED!”
I had a few more, but the blood pressure cleared them from my mind….I think I need a beer. Desperately.
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by Noctro on May 22, 2011 8:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with the beer part
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Desperately.
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No Canucks fans around me, but after one save I was particularly proud of my comment:
“ROUUUUU-tine save.”
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
That’s pretty good. I hated that they Luuu’d but there’s nothing we can do to stop them. If we booo is sounds like we’re joining them. Hmm.. need a new strategy for Game 6
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Hypothetical Thursday night game
instead of two games on a long Canadian weekend? Might be a 1/4 of what showed up for games 3/4. Probably less.
We need to think of some completely contrasting sound.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
No Vesuvalas!
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In college we’d point at each goalie with alternating “Goalie! Sieve! Goalie! Sieve!” but that’s probably something that needs practicing when not being done by 1,000 (mostly) drunk college students.
At RPI games...
Everyone counts off the goals after their scored, chants sieve… then loudly berrate the opposing goaltender saying “it’s all your fault!” several times. Might work better if you just do the “it’s all your fault” part at Luongo.
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Just finish with "Zer"
This way, it sounds like “looooooser”
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by Scotty Ace on May 23, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha love it
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 22, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
For the record:
Had to be done. The Nucks guys next to me were leading that Niemi chirp chant.
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RIGHT ON BROTHER
These are the kind of taunts I expect! Next time see if you can get your hands on a megaphone- It’s even better when you get more people to hear it. hahah
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Oops...missed it above. D'oh
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Dearest Sharks
I am sorry that I missed your game today to root you on and I am sorry about the loss.
I will say LOTS of prayers tonight for a win in Vancouver next.
Please everyone… hang in there, please believe and please send your thoughts and good mojo vibes to our guys in Teal. They will need every bit!! I might not know a lot about the game itself, but I have lots of heart, and I still believe… good things will happen!
After all the world didnt end and that loon that predicted it is just that, a loon so damn it Sharks!!!!! WIN IN VANCOUVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need sleep now. Night night!
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Lets Go Sharks!!! I still believe!!!!!!! 2011!!!!!!
by Catstoy on May 22, 2011 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Love the optimism in here guys but I can’t help but think San Jose really shot themselves in the foot here today. It’s not the end of the series of course, but if you’re looking at it rationally, they just put themselves in a spot where they have to play three perfect games against the best team in the NHL (with a pair of those games on the road). No matter how much I believe in the talent on this team, that’s a tall order for anyone— would be a tall order if the roles were reversed and Vancouver had to do it.
I guess what I’m trying to say is this— god love these Sharks, and I really do love them to death, but I’ll be damned if they don’t come up with the most theatrical ways to shoot themselves in the foot on a consistent basis. It’s really kind of mind boggling. Today was their best chance to win this series if you know what I mean, really put themselves in position to do some damage.
Today makes me sad because you could see it in the guy’s eyes after the game— they knew they had a great opportunity handed to them on a silver platter and they knew they had no one to blame but themselves for the loss. Once Vancouver got that 5v3 you could just feel the first goal coming and boomboomboom it’s 3-0 out of nowhere.
Man.
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by Mr. Plank on May 22, 2011 8:58 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
+1
…come up with the most theatrical ways to shoot themselves in the foot on a consistent basis.
Well said.
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Once Vancouver got that 5v3 you could just feel the first goal coming and boomboomboom it’s 3-0 out of nowhere.
I was in line for the Spongebob Squarepants during the entirety of Vancouver’s 5-on-3 adventures. By the time I got on, the Sharks were down 3-0 and I was in no mood to help Spongebob catch the pickle/defeat Plankton. Worst. Line. Ever.
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*Shakes Fist in the Air"
DAMN YOU SPONGEBOB!
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Today was so weak.
Sooo weak, dude. Man.
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by CloweMyWord! on May 22, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I felt the same way.
It boggles my mind to no end not only that they do it, but how they do it.
My wife and I had the good fortune of bumping into Brodie Brazil at Peggie Sue’s before the game. On top of being a top shelf guy for talking to us for more time than most guys in his business would, we chatted a bit about what Team Teal’s biggest issues were, and hoping that we would see them vanish today, namely:
- Containing Vanc’s Speed
- Limiting the Penalties
- For the love of God covering the weak side of play in our zone (specifically, the net).
Unfortunately, they did not go away.
And I have a feeling both of us were thinking about that conversationwe had prior to the game at Peggie Sue’s Barat the moment the final buzzer rang.
I love these Sharks to death…I’ve NEVER regretted becoming a fan of the Sharks after moving here from Boston. We all know that they have true grit when it counts, but I just can’t understand how they’ve allowed the same elements of play to bite them in the a-double-dollar-signs for 4 games now.
I truly hope that they find a way to keep it alive, but I know it will be no easy battle.
But, come hell, high water, or rapture…#IBelieveInTeamTeal
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Agreed
How they lost hurt a lot more than the fact that they lost (if that makes sense..). So many freakin opportunities and they couldn’t put it away. Vancouver’s penalty kill was good but after, I don’t know, the 3rd one, don’t you try and use an alternative method of getting in the zone and sustaining pressure. I don’t even feel like they played that badly outside of the 2 minutes in the 2nd period. I think our collective fan base is just at a loss for words and reasons as to why they can’t fix their mistakes.
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man, Plank. I always count on your eloquent writing and analysis to help me figure out how i should feel after a loss. Its strangely cathartic in a way, as you know how to look at things with a good and open perspective, pointing out the positives we can take away from it and what-not. I was hoping you’d be able to point out the beacon of hope here, but the fact that you feel this way, and rightfully so, well, it just makes me sad :( It’s not your fault of course, it just sucks.
I’ve been trying my darndest to be optimistic, and I know these Sharks have shown me so much this year that gives me just enough faith to continue to believe.
The Sharks sure know how to put us fans through complete hell. We may be one big group of masochists, but despite the torture and disappointment, I know I will never give up on these team. Never.
It's a blown opportunity for sure, and the task is incredibly daunting.
But I believe this is the group that can overcome it. They’ve faced so much diversity and bounced back very well after tough losses at various points in the season.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to say sorry in advance but...
They’ve faced so much diversity
That was almost as good as the time you accidentally typed shit instead of shot.
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by idunno723 on May 22, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bwahaha
Is it bad that I looked at your comment for a good minute trying to figure out what was wrong with what he wrote? LOL
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm so full of fail.
Holy hot damn, this is embarrassing.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This one's worse.
Because ‘i’ is closer to ‘o’ than diversity is to adversity.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
As the kids say:
Fool, it’s bad.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Re-reading that thread is crazy. I feel like I’ve aged four years since then.
Postseason hockey is intense.
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Maybe it's because I follow/love hockey the most, but:
Playoff runs of teams I like in other sports don’t come close intensity-wise. Even if they’re on a championship run.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
I don’t even have friends anymore (okay maybe not)
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Yeah, that’s about right.
I guess I will never understand why other teams figure this stuff out and run with it, and it’s a maddening struggle here.
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There's still reason for hope ...
My Nucks have had a similar history on coning up short. Years of it. Every long-tenured Nucks fan has the scar tissue to show from it.
We believe this year is different … like last year, the year b4 it, etc. Such is being a fan.
Yet is could happen. The talent is there. The will is there. The fan base is there. Same as for the Sharks.
It’s why we each believe. Just like you folks do. Lose the 3 games do or die mindset. One game at a time. One shift at a time.
I want three more games of the best 2 NHL teams having at it.
A Canucks victory, of course, but then we all have our vices.
To be honest, the quality of hockey in this round has been shit. Endless penalties, cheap shots. embellishments, chirping, little to no flow. For 4 games now. It’s just ugly scrum hockey.
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Interesting point
It would be interesting to study from year to year. I mean, I think in a lot of ways you could say that the second round sometimes is the best playoff hockey. Teams have hit their playoff stride, but they’re also generally not totally worn down yet by the long grind.
Boston and Tampa Bay got to the ECF in good shape based on quick 2nd round series, but I think your points about the WCF is quite valid.
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by Timorous Me on May 23, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
theatrical ways to shoot themselves in the foot
You mean like having to kill five 5 on 3’s in two games at home? If that isn’t the kiss of death I don’t know what is.
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sharks, play like your hockey careers were to end if you lose.
Go and win Game 5 in Rogers Arena, then the pressure would be on the Canucks to not lose Game 6 at the Tank and be forced into a free-for-all Game 7 back in Vancouver.
They better be smelling blood when they hit the ice in Rogers.
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by DaT3rmin8r on May 22, 2011 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
this ^^^
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My bad, you guys
I went to Great America today. I also went to Great America the morning of Game 1 of last year’s WCF, which was also a noon game. Obviously, it’s my fault. I’ll remember not to do that next year.
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I refuse to call Top Gun, “Flight Deck.” It’s not Flight Deck, it’s Top Gun. I don’t care that Paramount doesn’t own the park anymore, that coaster is Top Gun, damnit!
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It will always be top gun.
And Drop Zone will always be Drop Zone and not whatever they decided to re-name it to!
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by Pavsisaninja on May 22, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t even know that Drop Zone changed its name.
Oh, and Survivor is now Tiki Twirl. But that doesn’t matter, since there’s no way I’m going to remember that.
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Tiki Twirl….. That just doesn’t sound fun.
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by Pavsisaninja on May 22, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It's okay.
I wore the same clothes, ate the same lunch, and got to the place I watched it at the same as games 2 and 7 against Detroit. So my mojo countered your anti-mojo.
It’s just a matter of getting a greater net sum of mojo going.
by Nick! on May 22, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've decided that the internet is a horrible place after a loss
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Tweet Tweet
Yahoo especially.
The real funny thing is that it’s not (many) Vancouver fans that make it a terrible place, it’s the ridiculously jealous fans of the other 26 teams… Especially the ones from a certain city that makes Mos Eisley look like Pleasantville.
Yahoo infuriates me. I stopped reading those comments years ago.
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 for Star Wars reference.
Agreed as well. Those F-ing trolls live there… i wonder if they work at Yahoo or something. There’ is so many of them in one place…
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As long as I see that kid with spirit like this, so too shall I.
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I felt the same.
Not only do we have a pretty talented young player on our team, he also has a fantastic attitude! Thanks Logan for helping me stay positive!!!
Gotta love that kid.
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously. I could watch his interviews all day, speaks from the heart.
Future Captain after Jumbo is gone/retired.
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He is a keeper
Can’t wait till he peaks, going to be even more special
Future Captain right there.
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So...
The reality that the season could be over in 1 more game is starting to sink in. I’ll just try to enjoy whatever of Sharks hockey we have left and save my depression for the off-season.
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Even if the Sharks don't lose, the offseason is depressing by nature.
I’m hoping the Sharks treat the offseason like a school project: put it off as long as possible.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
The offseason is awful. I cling onto whatever hockey news I can find. Rosterbation is fun but when nothing happens it just makes me more sad.
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No hockey sucks...
but off season gives me time to get outside, mainly to Work on and play with my vehicles. Some friends and I who always get hockey-hungry about mid July are starting a street hockey team this year… stick, gloves, and skates required. You guys should do the same. It really helps to knock down the emptiness in the 4 months of “No-Hockey Season” as my g/f calls it.
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Ironic
Glad it’s ONLY 4 months. When football was my primary sport, I had to wait 8 months, 9 if you don’t count the pre-season, which is not worth counting.
I actually think this loss was not Niemi's fault at all
Come on…3 5 on 3 goals….and all those penalties they took…I think it was more of sloppy play. THREE 5 on 3 goals. Just…horrible. No PPG in 10 minutes. Yeah Vancouver’s got a great PK but still, you have to convert in this situation. Very sloppy play tonight by the Sharks. Need to step it up if they want to win this series.
That said, this team isgood. They can win. Believe
Go Sharks :)
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by sanjosesharksfan on May 22, 2011 10:01 PM PDT reply actions
It wasn't his fault at all
however, I don’t think he did a sufficient job of keeping us in the game (granted, we should have put the game away when we had 5 straight PPs). Nemo was pretty weak high blocker side (yes, I know thats not his forte, but still) on two of the 5v3 goals, and he was completely embarrassed by Sedin on the 4th. If he only allows vancouver to burry two on the 5v3 and doesnt tempt henrik with the 5 hole pass, this could have been a much different game.
with that siad, there are many “coulda shoulda wouldas” and “if onlys” from this game. I definitely agree that this was a team loss and I expect much more from everyone, including niemi.
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by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
For the Heatley Critics:
Yes, It’s realized that he hasn’t been at his best this season. And it is acknowledged that for 7 million, you can’t just go for 64 points. That’s good for a normal player, but for Heater..? Mediocre.
That said, the Sharks got one of the best snipers in the league on this team for next to nothing almost. And Heatley has been good this year. 64 points isn’t that bad. Yes, I think 26 goals for a 7 million dollar player isn’t the best…but he just had 1 down year. Look at Lecavalier in TB or Semin in Washington. Iginla last year in Calgary and Kovalchuk in NJ They’ve all had down years recently, but no one doubts their talent at all. Let’s just give him a shot instead of throwing him under the bus. If he plays with Thornton and Marleau on the HTML line he would do way better. I know many say for 7 million, you need to produce on your own. Point accepted, but also, you need to remember 64 points in 80 games isn’t too bad. Down year for Heater, sure. But last year and all the years before that, he was a killer. And not too bad this year either…point wise. Marleau had a down year. He came back very strongly. Who knows why he hasn’t performed this year? Let’s see about next year. He’s elevated other aspects of his play though. And there’s no denying he’s still a great player
I’m done with my stupid rant. Just saying that Heater hasn’t done as badly as we say he has. He’s also elevated other aspects of his play. (I’m not denying he’s not been very good at all this series). Its just that because of his salary, we expect he should give at least a point per game for the Sharks. But he had a down year this year. Next year should be better.
I also think reuniting HTML is a good idea if you want Heatley to score more….but ohwell
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by sanjosesharksfan on May 22, 2011 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I agree.
I love the Heater and I think he’s been bad, but not nearly as bad as some of those other players you mentioned on even more ridiculous salaries.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 22, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I have been really impressed with the parts of Heatley’s game that he has improved. I think his work ethic this year is much improved from the year before and has upped the physical part of his game a lot. I would just like to see him pull the trigger more than he has, a shot like that doesn’t just disappear.
Even still, I wouldnt THAT be surprised to be shipped out this post season. DW definitely doesn’t want to be paying $7million for a 2nd liner and with guys like seto and couture maturing and becoming what they are, Heater might be the odd man out given his price tag and what we could get in exchange.
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by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Think of it this way
You’ve got a proven 50 goal scorer who’s scored 50 goals twice
He’s had a 100 point season before.
He’s got a proven track record and 64 points being considered a down year? I say that’s pretty darn good.
Guys like Seto may regress or progress. I really don’t know. Remember his 31 goal season and then the one after that…?
You can’t ship out Heatley after a mediocre season just like that. He deserves a chance. And that’s really not going to help attract players to SJ. I hope Heatley can return to his point per game form. And keep in mind this year wasnt all that bad for him. Yeah, his point total regressed but it’s one bad year. That’s it. And he’s made good improvements on D too. Much better than last year on D I say. And his offense: he just had a down year. stated for the 100000000th time. But I can’t stress enough that you can’t let go of a premier player in the league just like that.
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by sanjosesharksfan on May 22, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah that’s exactly what I just said and I agree with you, but what I meant in that last part is I’m not entirely sure if doug wilson will have the same patience with a $7million price tag
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by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
wait i just realized we are down 3-1 in the series
activate ultra-pessimist doomsday mode: TRADE THORNTON MARLEAU COUTURE HEATLEY NIEMI NABOKOV (wait what?) BOYLE MURRAY!!! CLEAN UP SHOP!!! CHOKE! AHHH!!!! FIRE DOUG WILSON!!!
ok I got it out of my system.
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by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Just remember
Without Heater’s goal last series, we might not be here now.
Just Sayin’
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by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd :)
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by sanjosesharksfan on May 22, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha nice.
Bringing up those names reminds me of old times. Yesterday NHL Network was showing Game 7 vs Calgary. The team was so different and we’re only 3 years removed from it. It’s so weird to think of the team without Boyle or Heatley, it feels like they’ve been here for so many years. I guess I didn’t realize how much the players move around in the NHL
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by hautecouture on May 22, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
i know its crazy how much everything has changed
try going back and watching highlights from the steve shields/early nabokov (days. seeing guys like ricci, damphouse, nolan etc play in teal again is beyond weird to see
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by tealstherealdeal92 on May 22, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, you mean that alternate universe were Raffi Torres is dealt with appropriately?
I would rather be happy than right any day.
by SouthBayernMunchen on May 23, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
and by dealt with appropriately...
you mean run over by a bus?
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by tealstherealdeal92 on May 23, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
This isn’t the time to get into this, but I disagree that the Sharks got Heater for almost nothing. Not that it was a bad trade, but to me the big loss was Ehrhoff. I don’t know. I know how lots of fans here look at Ehrhoff, but he’s really blossomed since going to Vancouver and I think—if he could have done that with the Sharks—he would have really fit in well. I mean, just what the Sharks need in terms of having a good puck-moving offensive-minded defenseman on the left side.
And there’s also the idea of how we could use that $7 million each years instead of on Heatley, but I digress.
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by Timorous Me on May 23, 2011 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Bleacher Report .com just ran an article on upcoming free agents...
They made one reccomendation for each of the 30 teams and provided what each one would bring to the squad. Erhoff was one they suggested the Sharks pick up if VAN doesn’t renew.
Different sport all together, But in baseball, i’ve seen the Yankees do this numerous times. Players get traded away (no cap in MLB) to other teams, then later the Yanks pick them back up again. And the second time around, they usually stay on the Roster for a while. I won’t rosterbate any further, but It would be great to see D pairings of Boyle/Murray, Vlasic/Erhoff, and White/Demers. Solid D.
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I hear what you're saying
And you make some good points. But the hard reality of it is that too much Cap $$$ is tied up with Boyle, Thornton, Marleau, and Heatley. Especially when you consider how much we need to improve our Defense (shot from the point on the PP) and how we may need to match an offer sheet to Seto (not sure I’d do that).
For the Sharks to become a Stanley Cup Champoin they will need to improve their Defense (both in terms of depth and speed and shot making). That cannot happen if you have close to 1/2 of your entire salary tied up in your 4 star players. And with the emergence of Couture, I would argue that Heatley and his $8 million dollar salary are expendable. I don’t think he fits in on this team unless he plays with Thornton.
I believe that $8 million or $7 million as you indicated, could be better spend on a top notch D-man with a booming shot on the PP and another Ian White type of role player. If you advocate keeping Heatley you severly hamper you ability to gain depth on the blue line and as we’ve seen this playoff series, reduce your chances to win the Conf. Finals. Heatley hasn’t contributed nearly enough to get us over in this series. In 5 PP opportunities last game we couldn’t score and he must take some, if not most of that blame being the highest paid player on this team. The Sedin’s make $6 million each and Kessler makes $5. I think they’re all better than Heatley at this stage of his career. So I say trade him now (if he agrees) while he still has trade value left. If not, then I guess we role the dice for 3 more years (his salary does decrease) and we’ll see if he can deliver while Thornton and Patty are still here?
Its not the 64 points for $7M
That bothers me. And yes we did give up a lot to get him; team speed (Michalek and Ehrhoff), and cap space $7M for another 3 years. The team speed has been a huge factor in the last two playoff seasons, the Sharks forwards can not keep up with the quick defense that Vancouver and Chicago had. Do you think Michalek would be a little more effective in forechecking the defense? No doubt. Its very painful to watch Heatley to skate and he will never dominate a game like Kovalchuk or Iginla, so please never mention any of those names when comparing Heatley.
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank god the Sharks are up 3-1 after their 4-2 win today.
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by Evil Stanchion on May 22, 2011 10:35 PM PDT reply actions
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by Pavsisaninja on May 22, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Chainsaw massacre..
I had to release some anger post game, so I fired up the chainsaw and well, my yard has one less tree. I feel only mildly better.
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Thank the lord!
by Alaskan_ice on May 22, 2011 11:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I am mad because
I know the Sharks are better than this! They gave up Game 1, and atrocious missed opportunites and stupid penalties that caused the multiple 5 on 3s! Geezus…. It’s one thing if the team is better than you, but come on, we are giving away the series! With a freaking giant red bow to boot!
SF 49ers. SF Giants. SJ Sharks. CHI Bulls.
miss opportunites and stupid penalties in Game 3*
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by Giants49war on May 22, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I was at the game. It was easily the hardest game for me to watch in person. Having the Vancouver fans around me complaining about the penalties in the first period and cheering loudly during the goal fest of the second.
I understand the pessimism and the doom in what is being said here. It’s been hard to watch our vaunted team not reach the summit. I will wait to see if in fact they fail like before. Today, I will have faith that they can do this. This team HAS the talent. Less talented teams have done this.
Support our Sharks, as painful as this game, this series,has played out, it is not done yet. Let’s do what Chicago did and spooky ’em!! Then win this damn thing!!!
Go Sharks!!!
by Alaskan_ice on May 23, 2011 1:40 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I have to ask...
What’s the significance of the Palin mask?
From the "Fear the FAQ"
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by Another Lurker on May 23, 2011 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Late night insomnia post..
..I was thinking about this series and how the Sedin’s have really come to life against the Sharks. So, I looked up the Sedins’ stats and how their play (going only by goals they have been a part of, one or both of them) has influenced Vancouver’s wins and loses in this postseason. And it seems, for the most part, as the Sedin’s go so does Vancouver during these playoffs.
In games in which they’ve been a part of 1 or no goals Vancouver’s record is 5-6. One of those loses? Yep, the Sharks only win so far in this series. In games in which they’ve been a part of 2 or more goals their record is a perfect 6-0. They have been a part of 2 or more goals in this series 3 times.
Against the Sharks they have contributed to 10 of the 17 goals that Vancouver has scored thus far in 4 games. During the Chicago series they were a part of 8 of 16, and during the Nashville series they part of 4 of 14. Added up it’s 12 of 30 goals they were a part of, in some way, in those 2 series. So in 4 games vs. the Sharks they have almost equaled what they did in 13 games vs. Chicago and Nashville.
I know the Sharks don’t have a shutdown D pairing like Keith-Seabrook and Suter-Weber, but they did contain them in game 3. If they can contain the Sedin’s the chances of winning are a lot better than if they don’t, as the stats above show.
Take it for what it’s worth. I just thought it was something interesting. Go Sharks!
PP and heatley
I think heatley not being on the number 1 PP unit has hurt his production as well, I honestly think seto has scored some big goals on the PP like in g7 vs det but I really feel heatley works a bit better in front of the net and it might boost his confidence he has always been a threat on PP"S throughout his career just a thought what do you guys think?
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 23, 2011 6:38 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
hahaha
love how he stayed on the ice for 5 minutes afterwards like he’d been hit with a bat.
what a punk.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on May 23, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Mohammed Cloweli.
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"Why a tool shed?"
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by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
right on the button
Daniel Erlich for President
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by SharksFanTillDeath on May 23, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
from Kesler
"Head shot," he told NHL.com. "Sucker punched me. Didn’t expect it and hopefully the league looks at it."
Daniel Erlich for President
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by SharksFanTillDeath on May 23, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Artist's interpretation of Ryan Kesler:
"What has two thumbs and resembles a tool shed... THIS GUY."
"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Such a flop.
And the Oscar goes to……RYAN KESLER. applause
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 23, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That first punch looks legit, and it caught him right on the button. Was it worth the chilling on the ice for a couple minutes? No.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The punch probably caught him off guard/stunned him a bit.
And I agree entirely with your last statement, that’s the biggest part of the “flop” in my opinion.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 23, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It could have hurt
but even I expected him to get up off the ice sooner than that. (canucks fan) Was it a cheap shot? Ya, probably. A gloved punch to the face after the game is over would be considered such. But considering that hits from behind aren’t suspendible apparently, hits from the front and slashes aren’t either. I’m honestly confused by what a penalty/suspendible offense is in the NHL playoffs, and I’ve watched and played hockey my whole life. Here’s to hoping that part of the game gets better.
by Josh Dykstra on May 24, 2011 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions
It aint over til it's over
I think what pissed me off more than anything was being at the tank and seeing so many Canucks fans. On the radio they said there were about 4000 people. What a crock of garbage. How the hell are they getting tickets? Also, they were 10 times louder during the Canadian anthem than us Americans were during our anthem. Sad times at HP.
I can’t bitch about officiating because I think overall, it evened out. We were given PLENTY of opportunities to strike early and often in the 1st period. The Sharks didn’t convert and therefore, that was the game. Sad to think if it weren’t for those 5 on 3’s, we would have won 2-1. But shoula, woula, coulda…
But away from that, I still have full confidence in this team. I have no doubts that we have what it takes to win game 5 and bring it back to SJ. I hate the idea of playing ANOTHER game 7 but that’s the cards that were dealt and so be it. We just need a solid and disciplined game. We know the Nucks are far from disciplined so let’s exploit that.
GO SHARKS!!!!!! Still believing and still bleeding teal!
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It's clear to me...
That this team is not good enough to go beyond the Conference Finals and beat an elite team like Vancouver this year or Chicago last year. There are some structural flaws on this team that Mr. Plank spoke about during the year. Namely the lack of consistent and strong defense. Boyle, Vlasic and Demers are all we have back there. Not nearly good enough to beat an elite and potent offense like the Canuck’s.
I’m also VERY concerned about our seemingly enemic offense. By that I mean guys like Heatley and Setoguchi are not playing near the level needed to make an impact. I’ll go so far as to say that Dany Heatley is an expensive luxury at $8 million per year. That money could be better spent on improving and upgrading our D. We have never been able to replace Rob Blake’s shot on the PP. That is priority #1. Get a big shot on the PP and upgrade the speed on Defense as well. Wallin, Huskins and Murray have to go, unless Murray is your 6th guy, but he cannot play major minutes or hang with the quickness of elite players in this league.
So not only would I do everything to move Dany Heatley this offseason, I’d also be reluctant to re-sign Seto or match an offer sheet on him. He is not worthy of a first round #8 pick in this league and may never be the impact guy in the playoffs we need.
On a more positive note, I love the core of this team: Niemi, Boyle, Thornton, and Marleau. Great veteran leadership. The complimentary players are very good too: Clowe, Pavelski and Couture. It’s time for this team to get younger, and faster. I love the kids like McGinn, Desjardans, Mashinter, and some of the guys in Worcester like Braun and Petrecki. It’s time for DW to re-tool this roster and add the key guys in places so that we can not only get to the Conf. Finals, but get past an elite team like Vancouver so that we win the Stanley Cup. That is what our fans deserve and what this classy organization is striving for. But I for one will no longer drink the Kool Aid and believe what they say. They’re going to have to show me from now on.
Mr. Plank, I look forward to reading your upcoming posts on potential free agent signings and what this team needs to do to get to the next level.
Thanks for a great year and best of luck to everyone, I’ve enjoyed reading all your posts and these fantastic articles. All the best!
C’mon douchebags- I know we’re in a bad hole here but it’s not over yet. Not even a speck of hope/faith left?
I don’t want to talk about who leaves and who goes yet because to me- it’s not over. BUT, I will say I agree about Huskins and Wallin. I don’t agree with your stance on Heatley, Murray, and Seto. I won’t go any further than that because I don’t even want to THINK about the off season yet.
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Not trying to be negative
But we all know the % of coming back are slim to none. I said it was a great season and I believe the Sharks overachieved. But how can you say keeping Heatley @ $8 million dollars is a good use of cap space. Heatley doesn’t fit on this team and you already have Marleau and Couture. Use that money to improve the defense, otherwise we’ll be right back here next year wondering how we lost? Although good, this team is just not good enough. Sorry if I jumped the gun (perhaps bad form) but we will be having this conversation very soon.
I know you’re not trying to be negative DB… I usually really like your commentary on here. Just trying to get you a little more pumped for tomorrow. Maybe you’ll feel it tomorrow.
On Heatley- He had 39 goals last season… he was a point per game player on the dot. 82 points in 82 games. He had an off season this year for sure, don’t get me wrong. But I think other parts of his game have improved. He’s been used on the PK with Jumbo and he’s making those crisp passes to Cooch for goals. Think about Marleau in 2007-2008: 19 goals, 29 assists, 48 points in 78 points. Marleau is up and down as well and he’s still here and I think most of us still want him here (you included). That’s all I’m trying to say.
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Dany Heatley
Is not a difference maker. He’s not worth $8 million per year when the Sedin twins get $6 and Kessler gets $5. And because of his huge salary, it limits our ability to go and get two really good defensemen to compliment Boyle and Vlassic.
I was in favor of the trade, as I thought it would get us over the hump, but it just hasn’t worked out. It’s not Heaters fault, he plays hard and does what he can (injuries and all). I’m just convinced that this team has too many other flaws and shouldn’t spend $8 of a salary cap on one guy, a guy who hasn’t delivered when we needed him most.
We can agree to disagree, but I hope DW feels as I do, otherwise I don’t see how we can get the talent we need to get to the top of the mountain in the next 3 years before our star players are gone. I’m not content with just getting to the Conf. Finals, I want to win them!
Take care, best of luck to you and the Sharks!
You can get two really good D for $8mil?
Doesn’t a Jeff Finger cost like 2.5 or something?
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by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, you can try
Or you can keep what we have, reload from Worcester and see if that makes us any more able to compete with Vancouver. Heatley, and some other guys have not done nearly enough this series and that is partly why we’re down 3-1. The other reason (imo) is because our defense is slow and we lack a shot on the point. I’m not sure yet who is available via FA, but hopefully a better pool than last year?
As a point of comparison:
Bieksa: 3.75 million
Edler: 3.25 million
Weber: 4.5 million
Suter: 3.5 million
Shea Weber
Is exactly the type of player we need. Not sure there are any out there. I do like the propect of watching Braun and Petrecki next year. I still Crankshaft, but he needs to play as a third pairing (just too slow) to keep up with the top line guys. I don’t want CE back, still not convinced he can hit the net?
UFA on D
So here’s the list of UFA’s for next year on D (only listing potential signings):
Thomas Kaberle (33) $4.25
Scott Hannan (32) $4.5
Eric Brewer (32) $4.25
Joni Pitkanen (27) $4.00
Kevin Bieksa (30) $3.75
James Wisniewski (27) $3.25
Christian Ehrhoff (29) $3.10
Ian White (27) $3.00
Jan Hejda (33) $2.00
Shane O’Brien (27) $1.60
Steve Montador (31) $1.55
Anton Babchuk (27) $1.40
Steve Eminger (27) $1.12
Andrew Alberts (30) $1.05
Randy Jones (29) $1.00
Marc-Andre Bergeron (30) $1.00
Jonathan Erickson (27) $.900
Paul Mara (31) $.750
Andy Greene (28) $.738
Adam Pardy (27) $.700
Jeff Woywitka (27) $.650
That’s about it. Kind of depressing.
God if we could somehow get Shea Weber or Drew Doughty or Luke Schenn; All RFA’s we’d be looking good! I can dream can’t I?
Perhaps an offer sheet is in the works this off season.
I'd be okay with Bieksa and Brewer.
But in truth, I have more faith in the likes of Petrecki, Braun and… (Christ, I forget his name, that one other good D prospect we have) than an imported D man that may or may not wind up being another Bell or Guerin.
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by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I say ditch the dead weight
Wallin and Huskins have got to go, and I doubt DW will be keeping them around. I’m a big fan of Ian White and I just think that he needs to be in the right pairing (Wallin is hurting that pairing’s effectiveness), so I’m all for keeping him.
Yeah, Shea Weber and Drew Doughty ain’t happening any time soon. Their respective teams have too much money freed up to offer them what they want. I agree it would be nice though.
Although Yandle is an RFA, is there some way we can get him? If we can’t, O’Brien might be a nice addition for a reasonable price. Bieksa hasn’t impressed me much command at least a 4 mil asking price, especially in the event that Van wins the SC. But I think the best move for us at this point is to keep White and bring up Braun and Petrecki and see what works.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 23, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm also on board with dumping Wallin and Huskins.
Huskins is rusty and injured, and never caps out very high.
Wallin has streaks of brilliance, but makes a ton of defensive mistakes on an off night.
Both have been liabilities, on the whole.
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by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Just wait until 2012 offseason, the D talent pool is amazing!
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Weber
is a UFA, and I guarantee he’ll be a 6mil defenseman
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
No
He’s restricted. And Nashville will not let their captain walk. Perhaps the Sharks could sign Keith Yandle to an offer sheet? $6 million per year might be too much for Phoenix to match.
I apologize
He’s an RFA, but that still doesn’t change the fact that he will be getting at least 6 mil
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Weber's contract will similar in dollars and term...
to the one’s signed by Luongo, Hossa, Keith, etc., the last couple of years.
Nashville will convince Weber to stay in Music City and try to win a cup there. In return, Weber will re-up for about 10 years (or so) with a cap hit of about $6 million/year, but a sliding salary scale.
by east_van_joe on May 23, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Yandle can even get 6 mil in the FA market
Currently, I think he’s getting paid 1.25 mil. Even though Phoenix’s situation is somewhat stable for at least next year, he might be tempted to walk anyway to join a team with a more stable future. So, if he declines his contract with Phoenix and we’re able to offer say 2.5 to 2.75 mil, I think he’ll love to come to SJS. Just a thought.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 23, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I like your reasoning...
Yandle to the Sharks??? Oh man, don’t get my hopes up, but that sounds fantastic!
Weber and Doughty are pipe dreams, but Yandle in teal would make me MORE than just happy.
He's going to get more than that?
He might be the best available D-man out there and led Phoenix is scoring and he’s only 24. If $6 is too much, he’ll surely get $4 per. But I won’t be surprised if he gets more.
If he gets over 4 mil
it’s probably going to be from a team like Minnesota, Edmonton, or Winnipeg i.e. non-SC contenders that are rebuilding their teams. And I do think Yandle will take a teams’ status of SC contender in consideration. I think that if we seriously consider giving him an offer, I wouldn’t be surprised if a certain team in red is our biggest competition of SC contenders in getting him.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
No way he leaves 1.5M a year for 4-5 years on the table. The way Yandle played this season, it’ll surprise me to see him make less than 5M the next season.
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by Vancouverguy on May 23, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt he gets more than Weber. If Weber is expected to get $6mil+, the most I see Yandle getting is $5mil. I’m not sure how much money we’ll have to work with (after dumping Wallin and Huskins and other dead weight), but I’m sure the fact that we’re consistently contenders may play to our benefit in negotiations?
Oh man, getting Yandle… yeah, I’d love that.
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 23, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I’ll keep the two 1st rounders and my 2nd rounder and whatever else compensatory picks that goes with signing a player to an offer sheet over $5M
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
If some other team wants to offer him 5 mil, then they can have at it. The most I can see us offering him is 3.5 mil. Hearing the news today that Rafalski is calling it quits plus the possibility of Lidstrom retiring, it wouldn’t surprise me if Yandle goes to Detroit getting 4-5 mil . Throwing in the possibility of them going after Bieksa, too? That team would be a beast on D and would be friggin’ nightmare for any team to face.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 23, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
To add insult to injury
I can also see Detroit going after Nabby again, especially since I don’t think the Islanders would want to keep the contract rights to him. If this situation occurs, I can see another Detroit dynasty. I’m praying that it won’t be so…
by sharksfanwithajd on May 23, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
News is that Brian Rafalski is retiring which will give them more cap space to work with :(
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by hautecouture on May 23, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t the Islanders toll his contract over to next year? Meaning he is still under contract with the Islanders for all of next year already.
by startwearingpurple on May 23, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
One problem.
Edler and Bieksa was signed quite a while ago, and they will both fetch more in the open market.
Ditto Weber and Suter.
I’d be surprised if you could any of the 4 you mentioned above for less than 5M
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by Vancouverguy on May 23, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
And news reports in Michigan
are indicating that Rafalski’s retiring. You can basically scratch off one UFA from the market now, because Detroit will replace his $6 million salary on their defense and will throw at least that much money out there if necessary.
The point of the 4
was for comparison sake. Comparing them to SJ’s 8 million dollar man.
Just trying to make the point that all 4 of them are playing well above market value, while Heater is playing under.
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by Vancouverguy on May 23, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
For what it's worth...
Heatley is being PAID $8m next year, but if I’m reading things right then he’s only going to count as $7.3m towards the cap. It’s hard to tell, exactly, because of bonuses and the possibility of injury, but Ottawa structured his contract as front-loaded shennanigan. The salary cap hit is constant over the duration of a contract, even if their pay fluctuates. On the negative side, this means when he’s paid $5m in 2013/14 he’s still going to count $7.whateverm against the cap.
Agreed!
Wallin is expensive compared to a few others, and he’s only mildly effective on D. It seems like Sharks D pairings have two components: one guy who does most of the dirty work (shut downs, hits, winning puck battles deep against the boards in our zone, etc), and the other that is a puck mover/transition guy who is speedier and drives to the net. Demers was that guy on our second line and with him out, it forces Vlasic to take up that roll, and he’s not nearly as quick as Demers. I think this kinda explains why Wallin/White have been so bad- they don’t have defined roles like the others. I think white is the better transition player from what I’ve seen, but he needs to be with a good shut down/ hitter, and follow Demers offseason work out plan to make him faster on the breakout.
Seto is great at being in front of the net at the right time to scoop up rebounds and sling them rapid fire at the net. Part of the reason he’s been largely absent in this series is i think Marleau and Thornton are not only taking more shots at the net themselves, but the Lines have been switching up more than past series, and they were Seto’s set up guys. There really are no better players on Team Teal than Marleau and Thornton for set ups.
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
Don’t talk like it’s over!
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 23, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember that time the Sharks came back from 4-0 to win a game 6-5 in overtime?
Yeah, ‘cuz I totally do. There are two species of Shark in that locker room: Deals with Adversity Sharks, and Collapse Under Pressure Sharks. The species we get will probably be at random, but we ca’t forget that this is a team that dominated the league better than Vancouver for the whole second half of last season.
"What has two thumbs and resembles a tool shed... THIS GUY."
"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Too Depressed to read any articles....
Same old Sharks. Re-acting, not initiating, no urgency, too many invisible people… Same Old Sharks.
I know this is going way off topic here
but that tornado that hit Joplin, MO… just wow.. 75% of the city is gone.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 23, 2011 9:35 AM PDT reply actions
Intense!
“There are no atheists in a foxhole”, and this shows it. Prayers for all those affected.
If you mention ending your life, or show signs of self-harm, I will take you seriously!
"Take a deep breath sometimes, a break, and play some hockey. Hockey is a great way to take a pause from day-to-day hard work." -- Lt Gen. D.H. Huntoon Jr. (paraphrased)
Shameless plug for my music.
Ryan Kesler is a joke.
He is the reason I will root for any team that isn’t Vancouver for the remainder of these playoffs.
Him and those asshat green men.
"What has two thumbs and resembles a tool shed... THIS GUY."
"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
off-season
now don’t get me wrong I still think the Sharks have a chance to come back, their play in the last 2 games has given me at least a glimmer of hope. But with that said I’m actually really looking forward to the off-season. I say that because I really feel like the Sharks will only get better and I really do mean that, if you look at capgeeks.com, you will see that most of our core players are returning. I’m just hoping management sees things the way I do and let guys like Wallin, Huskins, and White(played well imo but still not worth the price tag) walk and we make a play for a new D man via free agency. I think with Boyle, Murray, Vlasic, Demers, and a braun/Petrecki as the #6 + a top tier D man, that group will be more enough to compete with the best of them. I mean the way I see it huskins(1.7 mil), Wallin (2.5 mil) and White(3 mil) can be replaced by Demers and Braun with no real drop off cept they make will make about 2 million dollars combined. If we do however resign them we basically can’t make any plays via FA and then it would be a very depressing off-season lol.
“and we make a play for a new D man via free agency.”
We have a (currently injured) German d-man with whom you may be familiar. ;)
Oh, and you can’t have Bieksa.
I agree with some of you that Heatley’s cap hit is way too big, which makes it very difficult (if not impossible) to trade him, however.
by east_van_joe on May 23, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if the Rangers would want him? You’re probably right though: DW doesn’t want to admit the money could have been better spend on a few others. And that NTC makes it very difficult to move him.
I don't know about that...
NYR could use someone like Heater with some more experience, but they’ve got some young players like Dubinsky and Gaborik coming up big for them. I don’t think they would see the super stars and bite on a heatly trade.
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
He has 3 years left on that contract?
Sharks fans, you have my condolences.
the cap hit
Doesn’t change. Take a look at www.capgeek.com for more details
NHL Numbers
Is what I was looking @. His cap hit is shown as $7.339 million, but his salary after next season goes from $8 to $6 and then to $5. So doesn’t his cap hit reduce as well?
Nope
The cap hit for a player is the averaged value of his contract over the life of the contract.
So for DH, http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=410 shows that he’s a 7.5 million dollar man for the life of the contract.
CE is going to want way too much money and I don’t think the Wilson is too interested in bringing him back.
And really, Heatley’s NTC likely means he isn’t going anywhere. With the cap going up next year the Sharks have enough money to do whatever it is they want to do.
by milanahalek on May 23, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
With the cap going up next year the Sharks have enough money to do whatever it is they want to do.
Really? How do you figure? I doubt they’ll have enough to re-sign Seto and a big star on Defense. How much cap space do you think they’ll have if they don’t re-sign Wallin, Huskins, White and others?
They’ll have approx 10mil is cap space, it’s enough for whatever they decide to do.
by milanahalek on May 23, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t even know what it is you’re trying to say with that comment.
by milanahalek on May 23, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
If you read above
I’ve made my points about this team on this post. You sound like your content to just let the chips fall where they may? I am not. This team is top heavy with overpaid, underproducing stars. $10 million in cap space won’t be enough to improve the team sufficiently to win the Cup. If however, they can add Heatley’s $7.5 million to that sum, then you have a large enough amount to re-sign Seto, sign a top notch PP D man and another Ian White type. You have enough to sign some veterans and a couple of your RFA’s. $10 million will be enough to land a top tier FA on defense, fill the other roster spots and keep Seto. I’m not content just making it to the Conf Finals, so I’m looking at what needs to happen for this team to get over the top.
Where we disagree is in what we think the team shoud do. It is enough to improve the team becuase I don’t think the team needs an overhaul.
by milanahalek on May 23, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
I meant, won’t be enough. They need to make some changes, not destroy the entire team. We are close, but need more help on D. We need to get younger, faster and add more offensive punch on D.
I just don't think...
$10 million is enough to get everything done and Heatley seems to be the odd man out. Not his fault, just too expensive when you already have Boyle, Jumbo and Patty.
There might not be many multiyear contracts this off-season
due to the players CBA coming up in 2012. GMs might want to wait to see what happens. If something happens that favors more money to buy players, we’ll see a lot of one-year contracts extended to multiyear deals.
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TRUE.
Erhoff will want much more esp if he wins the Cup w/ VAN. Also, i didn’t know White made that much….so perhaps it really is time to turn to Justin Braun now.
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
D-Man
I agrre with most of this. Ian White though is a keeper. Since he joined the Sharks they have been way better in the D dept. I think some of you have forgot how the first half of the season was going until White and wellwood showed up. Again this year the Sharks thought they won something by beating Detroit. Big let down after that series. I think they were lucky to come out of that series.
by gordiefinghowe on May 23, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What makes you think Petrecki is ready?
Hope?
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by OrangeJulius on May 23, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
The end of the world was last Saturday...
The stage is set for an epic series comeback!
SHARKS!!!
Miracle on Figueroa st, check. That 7th game on 5/12/11, check. Next...
Like a Harold Camping prediction, Canucks are gonna have to wait another year
I think Sharks main issue is with their coach.
TMAC seems completely clueless. The only change from game to game is replacing someone on the 4th line, who plays 3minutes a game..Yeah. That will change the whole game. It seems for bigger part of the game shares reserve to just shooting the puck in. Why can’t anyone try to skate the puck in for a change?
Here is what I think needs to be done:
1. Heater needs to be dropped to line 4 or moved to the top line to play with Thorton. Currently, he drags line 2 to the ground.
2. Bring Eager and Ferriero back. Sit Wellwood.
3. Replace either Huskins or Wallin with Braun.
4. Move Mitchell to line 4.
I'm sure others will blame McLellan as well...
But I don’t think coaching is why we’re down 3-1 in this series. It comes down to execution, and when you have 5 PP’s in a row and you don’t convert, then the players are to blame. Coach can only play the horses he has and I agree with you that Heater has contributed far too little this year, as well as others. Credit Vancouver and their D for some of that. Blame the entire team for not scoring when they had the man advantage. McClellan stays, or would you prefer Terry Murray?
I'm also in favour of a coaching change if Sharks lose this series.
McLellan doesn’t seem to have much composure. He loses his cool far too easily. Dude constantly looks like he’s got a pickle up his ass. Moreover, he never seems to change lines; we saw this this year and last; remember when HTML wasn’t putting up any points, yet he still held onto that line?
I know there’s the “chemistry” argument or whatever, but the fact of the matter is, if a line isn’t working, it needs to be split up, ESPECIALLY if the defense knows how to stifle the lines you’ve got. What San Jose needs is a coach who’ll inspire the team. Clearly, this is a group of players that’s easily discouraged, and McLellan obviously isn’t getting the pep talk thing right.
"What has two thumbs and resembles a tool shed... THIS GUY."
"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll agree with your last point
If the team no longer believes in him or has stopped listening to his message, then yes, it’s time for a change. I guess I look at Lindy Ruff or Mike Babcock, who preach the same message year after year after year, and they have success. McLellan has been very successful (conf. finals 2 straight years) plus he’s DW’s guy. I’d bet on him staying if he wants to that is?
A good coach
will bring the whole team to play to their potential on a consistent basis, in a strong way.
Further, that’s what a team’s captain and alternates should do as well. So if TMC goes, much consideration should go to who wears a C or an A. The strong leaders should wear a C or an A.
If you mention ending your life, or show signs of self-harm, I will take you seriously!
"Take a deep breath sometimes, a break, and play some hockey. Hockey is a great way to take a pause from day-to-day hard work." -- Lt Gen. D.H. Huntoon Jr. (paraphrased)
Shameless plug for my music.
Yep
Love to maybe even get a Russian coach in here who will re-teach them the concepts of teamwork, better D, and more endurance. We got too much talent on this team, and it’s definitely not getting used to its full potential. Basically McClellan just expects the team to get it done, without him doing much of anything.
Curious...
what are you guys basing this on? Thornton has been leading by example every night, every shift. Pretty hard to dispute that, with some of the goals/set ups/plays he’s been in on.
As for TMac, you can’t really tell too much by his media statements. He’s very blunt, and critical of the team, even on the good nights (rightfully so, IMO). Other than that, I thought i remember hearing something about him just set a record this year for most wins of a 3rd year coach. And then there’s the Franchise first Presidents Trophy, and two consecutive trips to the Western Conference Finals. Getting to the Stanley Cup Finals isn’t easy, and there are still teams who haven’t made it there yet.
I do agree, I think maybe the training program needs a tweak for endurance, but right up until this series, Sharks were leading the league in blocking shots by guys like Heatly, Pavelski, Thornton, couture, and Seto.
I don’t think we need a coaching change. I think we need to dump a few of our Mediocre D-Men and get some stand outs with the cap space.
in TROY, NY, bleeding teal and black since '91.
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
Basing it on performance of the team, not awards
Because when a team is well coached, it shows in their execution. They play as a team, they keep the mistakes to a minimum, etc. Doesn’t matter what sport it is. The Sharks, on the other hand, all too often look like kids playing street hockey. Chaos, people out of position, dumb penalties, so on and so forth. You tell me if I’m being unfair here, but when you watch the games, do they not look disorganized out there at least a third of the time (especially in the 3rd period)? I mean, is Vancouver beating us 3-1 because they’re so much better than us or because we’re coming up short in several departments? A good coach will iron out the wrinkles in a team. McClellan expects the wrinkles to work themselves out.
Yeah, it’s nice making the playoffs. Then again, the Sharks do have a certain reputation in the playoffs don’t they? Let’s be honest here, we squeaked past Detroit, and now it’s not looking that great against Vancouver. President’s Trophy is cute, but this supposed to be about a Stanley Cup, and if we keep beating ourselves, it’s not coming to San Jose.
by rightnasty on May 24, 2011 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand more of what you're talking about now...
But what of the players? Do you think a better coach would stop players like Pavs, Seto, etc from going invisible/slumping, too?
I’m still pretty reluctant to place a lot of the blame on TMac. I’ve seen the Sharks do amazing things, but in the regular season. I still think it’s the players failing to execute or losing composure at key times. It’s the players that take the Penalties that totally cripple the team, and from the looks of it, it’s them choosing their zone entry and deciding to try to “out fancy” the ‘Nucks, which you’re not going to win in this battle.
in TROY, NY, bleeding teal and black since '91.
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
I agree with #3 dynamo but otherwise, can’t say I agree on anything else. JMO but I don’t think Mitchell deserves to be on the 4th line at all. I think he has been the bright spot on that 3rd line this series. I don’t think Wellwood should sit… and to bring back Eager just seems useless at this point. The 4th line looked great the past couple games except the McGinn hit in game 3.
I don’t see McLellan as the problem at all. Again, JMO. And I never see him lose his cool. And Lindy Ruff? The guy has been in Buffalo for how many years and has done what with his team? Babcock I can see but not Ruff.
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by winthecupsj on May 23, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
In the three years McClellan has coached...
The team has won the President’s Trophy for the first time in its history, and has reached the Conference Finals for the second and third time in its history.
…And you want to change that?
The coaching staff is incredibly important and can have far-reaching effects on a team, but at the end of the day it’s up to the players on the ice to score the goals. Last year they lost four close games to a vastly superior team, this year they’ve won one game, lost one close one, and games 2/4 are too wonky to really calculate (2, because it was a 3-2 game going into the last 10 minutes, then things went crazy because of Ben Eager; 4, because both teams played down to one another until the last ten minutes, and only some space-flea-induced 5-on-3 craziness occured. I’m not making excuses here, mind you, I’m simply stating that you can’t count on these things to happen very frequently.) and, honestly, I think Vancouver might be better.
Change some players around? Of course. Change coaches? God no…
Yeah, I going to call it now
Say what you will. I still believe. Here’s to the comeback.
Here’s to pushing vancouver to the limit. Here’s to a Game 7 on Sat. an OT series winner. It will happen.
by Indiana Titan on May 23, 2011 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Yep!
We have seen a team on the brink of elimination win 3 in a row in both the 1st and 2nd rounds of the western conference playoffs… no reason to think that pattern will stop in the 3rd round!!
Miracle on Figueroa st, check. That 7th game on 5/12/11, check. Next...
Like a Harold Camping prediction, Canucks are gonna have to wait another year
by sharkblood99 on May 23, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I know the perfect song for this post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA
"What has two thumbs and resembles a tool shed... THIS GUY."
"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
OH YES
I BELIEVE SHARKS
Waffles, Digimon, Setoguchi. <3
STALOCK GET A ROBOT LEG OR SOMETHING AND COME BACK~WE NEED SOME LOCK STOCK STALOCK HERE!!
by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on May 23, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
How different this conversation would be had we capitalized on a few PP. Throwing Heater, McLellan, and more under the bus. I’m still holding faith- it might not be a pretty way to do it, but I know damn well this team can win 3 games in a row against Vancouver. They CAN do it, and I’ll take that chance right now. It’s not over!
I agree!
There’s a total of 4 teams still playing hockey right now and I’m pretty happy one of them is the Sharks!
by milanahalek on May 23, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Sharks need a Bowman or Jacques Lemaire type of coach.
Someone who will inspire them. And tell them exactly what he wants from them.
Currently, all they do is shoot the puck in. And most of the time no one is going in hard to get the puck. Does he really think that Vancouver hasn’t figured that out already?
Why are they shooting the puck at the net from middle of the ice? There is no reason to do that, unless you have someone stationed by the net to redirect the puck.
Coach/player
is a chicken/egg argument.
I’ll admit – I don’t like TM – but I think that you have to look at the second and third lines before you look at the coach.
When McClellan
Was asked during the post game presser last night if his team had the “talent” to win the next three games he said, “we’ll see”. I was left with the feeling that he’s so frustrated with this group and their inconsistent play, that he really isn’t confident that they can win. I would have prefered he lie and say, “yeah we have the talent, and you’ll see it in game 5”. “Don’t count this resilient team out”. But I was left with a much different feeling. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t want to come back unless some significant changes are made to this roster. I hope he stays, and think he’s a great coach, but this team is the enigma of the century!
Yeah, “we’ll see” left an empty feeling in my stomach.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 23, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked it.
Sounded like a challenge, emphasized that at this point it’s up to the players if they want to show the world they ARE good enough to make it to the Stanley Cup series. Unfortunately that’s just where we’re at (again).
"If you're not hurt right now, if you're not banged, bruised, you're not sore, you're not tired, I guess the question would be: Why?" - Todd McLellan
Bring It Home.
by CloweMyWord! on May 23, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Good take on it.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 23, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
If you think about it
It’s an honest answer. He doesn’t know which Sharks team is going to show up. Is it the team that can score on the PP and kill 5 on 3’s, playing hard for 60 minutes? Or, is it the team that had 13 give away’s in the last game, couldn’t score on 5 consecutive PP’s, and gave up 3 goals (all 5 on 3) in under 2 minutes? We’ll see?
Was asked during the post game presser last night if his team had the "talent" to win the next three games he said, "we’ll see". I was left with the feeling that he’s so frustrated with this group and their inconsistent play, that he really isn’t confident that they can win. I would have prefered he lie and say, "yeah we have the talent, and you’ll see it in game 5". "Don’t count this resilient team out"
That’s a good point, but some background information is relevant here as well. The reporter who asked that question has been asking stupid questions all postseason, and everyone, from the coaching staff to the players, has provided one sentence replies to him since the first round. Thornton had an infamous blow up with him and everyone else has been dumbfounded by the stupidity of his questions to the point that they don’t even deal with him anymore.
He’s an old guy from ABC 7 I believe, but I can’t find his picture online.
Seriously though, who asks the question “Does this team have the talent to win three in a row” to a coach? That’s just moronic.
And for the record, I believe McLellan is an excellent Coach and should be retained. Not even a question in my opinion.
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by Mr. Plank on May 23, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree.
TMAC needs to look at 2nd and 3rd lines. But you know, on Tuesday will see the same line up. Except for replacing someone on the 4th line.
Let's just end the negative thinking...
Does nothing except talk about trades/firings that aren’t needed just yet. I’m ready to play some more games. Aren’t you all too?
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by winthecupsj on May 23, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same Ole Same Ole
Once again the Sharks didn’t really show up in this game. You can’t take games off in the stanley cup playoffs and expect to win. It was very obvious what team wanted this game more than the other.
Do you blame the coach when the players don’t show up and give their best effort?
It looked like they were skating in mud the whole game. Some of the Sharks players like Heatley, Pavelski, and Devin, just haven’t done their part to get this team over the hump. You can’t win with only one line showing up.
The Sharks are a very good team, but they are way too soft to win the stanley cup.
YOU DON’T WIN THE CUP WITH A SOFT TEAM. WHEN VANCOUVER WHO IS A SOFT TEAM OUT PHYSICALS YOU,
Do have to admit
Worst part of that loss was that half of my family and friends who never watch the Sharks were watching because the game was on NBC. My Mom had called a lot of my family to tell them to watch. That was not a good game to get them to follow the team, that’s for sure!
Alright, on to Game 5 preview, let’s get ready for that!
Time For DW To Get Some Tough Players
I keep hearing that the Sharks are made up in DW’s image. Well that image is of a pretty boy offensive defenseman. Its looking more and more like that is true. When is Clowe and Murray going to get some help in the physical department?
Guys like Raffi Torres kill us, because we are so soft and have no response.
The only game we have won in this series is when we were more physical than they were, game three we kicked some butt.
I AM SICK OF TEAMS BEATING US UP AND WE HAVE VERY LITTLE RESPONSE. THEY CAME INTO OUR HOUSE KISSED OUR GIRLFRIENDS, STOLE OUR LUNCH MONEY AND LAUGHED ALL THE WAY HOME.
Oh, how quickly we forget...
I have to agree. But i find it funny that people are raising this point now. If you recall, only a short two games ago, after the Marleau fight, TMac put Ben Eager onto the ice with the intention of ramping up the intensity and physical play. For the remainder of the 3rd period, Eager flew around the ice hitting anything and everything that moved, chirping opposing players, trying to goad them into fights. The reason he drew so many stupid penalties on it was because of the fact that the ’Nucks were on a roll, and the Sharks were on the run (speaking of offensive pressure). If it had been the other way around, Eager may not have received those calls, and would have been possibly hailed as one of the heroes of game 2. Instead, in response to his attempts to get physical where others have neglected or outright failed, people were calling for his head. Ironic much?
KEEP THE FAITH. GO SHARKS!
in TROY, NY, bleeding teal and black since '91.
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
well, the game 1 and 2 nucks showed up, so that could have put a wrench in it for you guys.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No Way
The Knucks put a total of 14 shots on goal…Take away their 5-3 shots and they have a total of 9. They Knucks didn’t play well…The Sharks just gifted game 4. Period
by will_hunter23 on May 23, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
The Canucks were burying their chances like game 2 anyways. BTW it is hard to get a rhythm going on offense when you spend 10 out of the first 24 minutes in the game on the PK. Doesn’t excuse the number of shots Vancouver had in the 3rd, but I guess they went into shutdown mode. SJ had 8 shots on net in 5 PP’s but their PP was ugly and never got set up properly. There really was not excuse for the penalties they took either. Not at this time of year.
by Josh Dykstra on May 24, 2011 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions
The Canucks went into full-shutdown mode in the 3rd, with no fore-checkers until the lead went back down to 2.
Plus, it’s pretty hard to get too many shots on net when we were so busy killing off the first 5 PPs. It’s pretty telling in my opinion, that the best chance in the first period was the MayRay SH chance.
We played a solid road game, and played just well enough to win. Taking 5 straight penalties to start a road game is never a good idea, but we had the PK step up and kill it off.
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by Vancouverguy on May 24, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
It is what it is:
We have to win games five, six, and seven. If not, we go home. We may/may not see the best from the Sharks. Either way…It’s win or bust…
PS
I’m never going to another playoff game when the Sharks are tied or down in a series…I’m bad luck. So if we go ANY further…Have no fear…I will not be there! 9I will be screaming from my house in Sac! Go Sharks. (I believe)
living in Vancouver...
“All Students – if you have some time today, it would be nice if you could swing by Mr. ***’s room and offer your condolences on the shellacking his San Jose Sharks received at the hands of our Canucks. You may want to remind him who he should be cheering for. If you could do it individually, I’m sure he would appreciate a constant stream of supportive students checking in on him.”
I work at a school here in Vancouver and have made my hockey loyalty clear. This is what was posted in the entire school announcements. Sharks you must take the next three games to make up for the last 20 years of being one of the few Canadian sharks fan…..uugh….every year…..
I have lived in several major Canadian cities and I can say Vancouver fans are by far the rudest…
by CanadianSharkFan on May 23, 2011 11:42 AM PDT reply actions
Lol no
We just don’t consider Toronto to be part of Canada.
somewhat true...
No Vancouverites don’t think much about the rest of the country, for some reason the mountains makes them feel isolated…. kinda how I feel right about now….
by CanadianSharkFan on May 23, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Vancouver and Toronto are the hipster capitals of the world.
As such, they aren’t part of Canada. Canadians are a minority in both cities, anyway – Canadian immigration policies are far too lax as they are.
(PS, I’m not from Toronto. Just here for school.)
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"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
that’s not what Jack Layton was saying :P
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
come on
this is the sharks board not canadian politics. and without immigrants in north america we couldn’t keep the wheels spinning. birth rate is in negatives among “born in” residents. and ps. unless your aboriginal, you are an immigrant. first and last political post
by CanadianSharkFan on May 23, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
True true
politics out, hockey in. Excited that Jumbo’s playing game 5?
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No, you're absolutely right.
But we’re letting anyone and everyone into the country. Under no circumstances should we allow people who have no useful training or education to feed off of OUR taxpayers. Legitimate, skilled immigrants are fine, foreign leeches are not. Our policies need to be less Trudeau and more Norway.
"What has two thumbs and resembles a tool shed... THIS GUY."
"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Jack Layton thinks...
we need to let more people with no useful training or education in to our country to feed off our taxpayers. Old ones too, so that we have no old age pension for when I want to retire, for which the outcome already looks bleak. (btw I dislike Jack Layton)
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, he's married to a Chinese woman...
That tells me everything I need to know. I’m a socialist, and I really like the NDP, but Layton is literally in bed with foreign interests.
Not cool with that.
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"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Geesh, that sucks. How many students stopped by?
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 23, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
about 250...
its a small school of 350..going to be a long tuesday…
by CanadianSharkFan on May 23, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Especially when the Sharks win.
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"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give them all...
F’s for chirping. You wanna play the game, gotta serve the penalties. X-D
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by Scotty Ace on May 23, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So REC'd
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oh come on
we’re not THAT rude…we just consider things like this payback for everything that everyone else has done to us, more specifically canadian team fans and blackhawks fans.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
But... what have the Sharks done to you?
in TROY, NY, bleeding teal and black since '91.
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
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nothing.
It’s just stuff that gets sprayed off to the side. like I HATE Flames fans all the time, but dallas fans can piss me off, depending on who it is and what they say. so people just kinda do stuff like this for every team and assume it balances out.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
not fair, I know
you guys actually seem pretty cool to me!
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I kind of understand your point.
It’s the whole temporary rivalry of the playoffs thing. Now we are adversaries but next season, until the playoffs, we’ll still be hating the Red Wings/BlackHawks more, respectively.
I have to say, with the exception of a few, there have been less and less VAN trolls out there this round than the previous rounds, which is awesome. It’s much more awesome to not have to constantly pull out the “lock and load, go for the throat” responses i’ve had to do to put down some Red Wings trolls last series. Too many of those people are just… unpleasant.
Fair word of advice though, my friend. Be wary when posting over here- emotions run high come playoff time, esp with this Teal fanbase. The truly faithful never waver, but there are a lot of jumpers who can be pushed over the brink pretty easily. It’s why i don’t post on other teams blogs. Just be diplomatic with everyone.
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
agreed.
haha and just so you know, I’ve seen trolls jump in and get squashed at NM after a loss, so I don’t really expect anything different anywhere else. I happily trolled the Bhawks board after we beat them, but considering what they were saying in response to my posts in NM and elsewhere, they deserved it. No one here has done anything like that, so I’ve got nothing against anyone. I went to uni with a couple sharks fans, great people. :)
Anyways, with all that said, I wish you and the shark fanbase a good game on Tuesday night!
(personally I just want the refs to stay out of these games entirely, unless one of the players on either team does something ridiculous. Max 2 PP’s per team makes a great game.)
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed, cheers to that
the officiating has been bad all over this year, no matter what series. officials seem to have been in this pattern of missing the big, and damaging calls but make up for it with a weak and half assed call later on. WTF?
Hopefully this series will improve more to the tune of game 1… but with a different outcome. :-D
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
hmm hahaha
you would wish that :P But ya, I guess that’s why in game 3 both fanbases felt like they got cheated by the officiating. PP’s were 10-5 in favour of SJ, but what the refs called were crap and what they didn’t call were legit penalties.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't lie man...
i have been bleeding teal and black since i was 8. Who knows how/why. Never been to San Jose or lived in Cali.. just liked the team in those early years and it stuck. Not about to change now.
in TROY, NY, bleeding teal and black since '91.
"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
Stick to it!
Nothing’s worse than a person who changes loyalties like they change their underwear.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
r this to become the Bruins-Habs of the WC ;-)
Bruuuu-Tal!
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Correction: Me? I'm waiting for this to become the Bruins-Habs Rivalry of the WC ;-)
Epic reply fail.
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Wilson should have signed Owen Nolan before the season. He was willing to sign for league minimum.
He would have been much better addition than Jamal Mayers.
That's what I said
All season long, and basically got laughed at by the posters who seem to have gone away. I think you know who I’m referring to.
+1
If, no when, we drop Jammer, I think this would be a good move, and not for nostalgia either. He has the experience and the energy to give the fourth line what it needs. Besides, when I went to a practice in March at Sharks Ice, Buster was there with his bag and kid in tow. The message was clear: he wants to come back to the NHL and he wants to do it as a Shark.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 23, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Thing is...
I would completely agree with you, except that 29 other teams looked at Owen Nolan and said “Nah…”
It’s easy to say “The Sharks should have signed him, what were they thinking!” after the fact, but then ask yourself why NO ONE else did? You mean to say that, especially at league minimum, he wouldn’t have been welcome on, say, the Islanders or Caps? Any team that could use some scoring depth and veteran presence took a look at him and passed, too.
You can have anded the title of this article at...
Sharks fail…
So we’ve had coaching changes and player changes including the goalie so when players, and more so the entire team, fail to prepare and are just not ready to play who/what’s to blame?
We have no vocal leader and like a previous post Owen Nolan was our last true leader. He was not perfect but when something was on the line he did everything he could to lead by example.
We are also missing a Ricci type player who played hard every shift. This team has gotten soft.
While I will always be a Sharks fan, as private investor I can no longer invest when dividends are not being paid.
+1
And I say trade Heater for Michalek and pick up Cheechoo while we’re at it, and have a Nemo/Nabby combo for all the San Jose Sharks to win it all next year! (As a defending Stanley Cup champion of course)
trade jo thrton, he sux
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 23, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, that was too hard to resist.
I agree that Ricci and Nolan were hard workers and great leaders, but did they win a Cup with this team either?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 23, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
No, you’re right @SharksFan they didn’t win a cup but I do believe that it wasn’t because of lack of effort. It was unfortunate that we acquired some quality players far too late in their careers. Had Ricci, Damphousse S. Thornton, Marchment, Graves, etc. been just a few years younger we probably would have won the cup about 7 or 8 years ago.
Frankly this current team is frustrating to watch. One game they make crisp, clean passes and other games they just look lost. I wish we didn’t have to analyze this teams failures. It’s obvious we’ve been fortunate enough to have a competitive team but just not good enough.
We should really stack our blue line. I believe if you don’t let the other team score you’ve got a pretty good chance of winning. I think too much emphasis has been placed on stacking the offensive side. You see where that has gotten us.
I understand where you coming from.
I think the effort level from those teams was much higher because they didn’t have the talent this iteration has, and it’s frustrating to watch a team with so much talent not match that effort.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 23, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't be serious? You don't think Thornton is leading by EXAMPLE?
-Just Shakes Head-
Just. Wow.
We’ve made it further than we ever have, which is already a success in my book. Yes, I still want a seat at the big series, but being real, here, this team is, and has been, a constant playoff performer.
Getting the cup is no easy task. If it was, every team would have one. And you wouldn’t see 30 year droughts (i.e. Bruins)
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And one other thing.
Every other fanbase feels the exact same way about their team.
The Canucks. The Bruins. TBL. The Penguins (wow, what a fall). They all wonder why their team “just can’t put in a full 60.”
People knock that phrase out there like it’s that easy. It’s not. On the ice, everything is fast. It’s like trying to play Call of Duty to win while riding a unicycle in a shopping mall. No easy feat.
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I haven't completely given up on the series...
but there are some serious flaws that CONTINUALLY manifest themselves with this team that must be corrected or the season will end on Tuesday.
- PP entries into the offensive zone. They scored on the first five PP chances by WORKING HARDER than the Canucks, both in front of the net and behind the net. Now they’re trying fancy little drop passes and weaving entries to get into the zone, and they aren’t WORKING (Boyle is the main culprit here). Here’s a novel concept, chip the puck into the zone and OUTWORK the Canucks for possession, and OUTWORK them in front of Luongo for screens and rebounds. That’s how to score PP goals.
- Boyle is running out of gas. Let Braun play in place of Huskins, who is basically a pylon out there. Boyle is getting exhausted, and is basically useless in the 3rd period because he has to play point for EVERY FREAKIN’ PP. Demers took a lot of the load off of Boyle, and since he’s been hurt, Boyle is carrying too much of the offensive load for blueliners. Plus he tires himself out by skating those lazy back circles whenever he has the puck. Seriously, Dan, pass the freakin’ puck once in a while BEFORE you get to the blue line. It’s easier on your legs.
- SCREEN Luongo rather than trying for fancy tips. Whenever there is a slapshot from the point, our forwards are beside the goal trying to tip the puck in rather than blocking Luongo’s view and hoping for a rebound. It looks like they’re too lazy to try and establish position by fighting for it, so they find a quiet zone next to the goal and try to stick their sticks in the shooting lane. BLOCK Luongo’s sightlines and stuff home rebounds (like Clowe did for goal #2 in game 3).
- Don’t let the Sedins just stand to the side and pick you apart with passes. Watch the Nashville series and watch how they physically attacked the Swedes everytime they got the puck. They don’t like being rushed OR hit. Rush them and hit them… repeatedly. And then do it some more. And once more for good measure. There are no sportsmanship awards in the playoffs. And run Luongo while you’re at it. It’s like the Canadian Olympic guys are afraid to slash him or spray him. Pavelski is whacking away while Heatley/Marleau stop politely.
If they don’t start playing like SHARKS, the whole season ends tomorrow. They’re playing like guppies right now.
To quote Section 120, HIT SOMEBODY…. ANYBODY!
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on May 23, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
PP
Perhaps 3 good scoring chances on those 5 PP. It’s so odd to lose a game like that when you only give up 13 total shots on goal.
Boyle is spent, partly because he played too many minutes during the second half of the season. Our defense isn’t deep enough, especially on the PP, so Boyle was out there a ton. Time to upgrade the D and lessen his minutes.
I agree if Murray is a defensive liability against the twins, the least he could do is hit crank shaft ’em.
Agreed, esp #3.
I’ve been saying this all series. Watching CHI/VAN, and NSH/VAN, it’s like everyone in the league is afraid to hit them, or go straight for them, knock them down, intimidate them, or whatever. Respect off the ice, but right now It’s playoff time, and you are the bigger team: hit anything and everything in green and blue, short of the cars on the freeway in front of you on the way home! Push them around, chirp and antagonize them until they’re ready to drop the gloves. When they do, Clobber them til they bleed then clobber them some more, until one of the guys in the Zebra costume pulls you off them. Crash the net hard and roost Luongo with Ice a few times. Tell him he’s a bad goal tender and that’s why his mother never loved him, or something. It’s not pretty, but if it’s what it takes to shake them up and get them to lose confidence and make stupid mistakes, for the love of everything under the Force… DO IT. Get mean!
KEEP THE FAITH. GO SHARKS!
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Torres Takes Out Jumbo, What Was Our Response?
Don’t you love the way the Sharks respond when someone takes out one of our star players. Of course with Clowe hurting there is no one to stand up to someone like Torres.
This is an ice capades team, a bunch of posers who don’t fight for each other. I bet if we had taken out one of the Sedin’s the Canucks would have responded.
um... What about Ben Eager?
I posted above but maybe you didn’t see. Everyone has their favorites when it comes to 4th liners, I’m no exception. Eager has responded to fight for his team mates twice so far in these playoffs- Once in game 1 vs. LA, he beat Kyle Clifford up in response to the dirty Stoll hit on Ian White, and that is what was fueling his whole penalty escapades in period 3 of game 2, and i still hold firm to the belief that IF the sharks had been exerting any pressure on the attack, Eager wouldn’t have had a lot of those calls against him.
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-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
I say let him play
I like his energy and I’m willing to risk the rest. Is Scot Nichol benched or hurt? I’d like to see McGinn, Nichol and Eager on the 4th line tomorrow.
I'd rather Mayers than McGinn
McGinn just seems to be throwing irrelevant hits and takes at least 1 boarding penalty per every 3 games he plays. it’s happened once in every playoff series so far. If they can contain his those and get him to light the lamp, i’d be for it.
At the end of the regular season, it seemed like Mayers/Eager centered by whomever was taking up the center for the 4th liners when before Nichol came back. That line had serious mojo, because Eager and Mayers would pick up the puck in the Neutral zone or even their own zone, and start moving pretty quickly down the ice passing it cross ice back and forth making people look really dumb as they drove to the net for scoring chances. i don’t know what happened to that line, but it’d be great to have them back. Maybe put them both on the 3rd line w/ Pavs and then move Mitchell/Wellwood down to the 4th line with Dejardens?
If Pavs is getting dangerous again on the second, i say keep him there though.
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"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
I'd like that too.
So would Hank, Dank Kes, Salo and Bieksa. SJ will need smart disciplined players if there is any hope.
A parade to the penalty won’t help the cause.
Eager Not DW's Kind Of Player
Tough guys that might get out of control are not DW or TM type of players. Toughness has never been a priority for a DW team. He likes skaters that look good, like he did when he was a player. Soft pretty players like Heatley, Pavelski, and Seto are more DW’s style of players.
I see your point.
I see what you’re getting at now. I really think they need to play that guy a little more, if developed he could become a very valuable asset.. .similar to Clowe. Sadly, he’ll probably get traded come the end of the season.
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
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tl;dr
this isn’t the Sharks team we’ve seen all season. And unless someone pages them, we’re hosed.
History will be made. From the penalty box.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on May 23, 2011 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
For the love of G*d
I’m a Canucks fan and the last thing I want to have happen is for history to be made from the penalty box. So many penalties take the flow out of the game, making it painful to watch. Max 2 penalties per team…that’s all I’m asking for from the officials tomorrow night.
by Josh Dykstra on May 23, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Well-put and I agree
I complained like hell about officiating after games 1 and 2, and even though we got the advantage in game 3, and I appreciated the “make-up calls”, I still complained because the officiating is so f*ckin inconsistent. Game 4 I was unable to watch, but I think my main complaint still holds true. If a team gets more PPs because they’re playing more disciplined, fine. But the whistles blown better be consistent and fair on BOTH sides, and so far, both teams have reaped the consequences of their ineptitude. And maybe in a twisted way that’s “fair” because both teams faced the pros and cons of it? It still doesn’t excuse the refs’ inconsistency.
The calls have been horrible throughout this entire series. I hate when the reasoning behind losing a game is “because of terrible and missed calls” or when a win is complemented with an “in spite of the officiating” comment. For once in this series, can a game be decided by the teams and not the refs?? Is that too much to ask for?
Game 5 = more 5 on 5 play, please.
I agree. Jamie Baker, our Radio CC, said the same a few days back as well.
Just stand back, and let them play hockey.
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Enough negative talk, how 'bout those Winnipeg Thrashers?
Not sure if the American sports media is reporting the same stuff, but I’ve been hearing all week how a deal between the Atlanta Spirit and True North Sports and Entertainment have all but completed a sale of the Thrashers, which would see then relocated to the ‘Peg. This all apparently pending a financial review to be done tomorrow, since we’re in the midst of a Canadian long weekend.
How’s you guys feel about this? Is it good for hockey?
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I don't like it, personally.
I think the NHL should have the same devotion to the other sunbelt markets that they do Phoenix and it seems a lot like favoritism. That and I think Winnipeg supporters are entirely looking over the fact that they are getting a team back in a similar to fashion to how they lost the Jets. If I had my team taken away, I’d never wish the pain of losing a team on anyone else, even if it meant I got my team back.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 23, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Different situation.
Atlanta had 200 people turn out to a “save the team” rally.
Winnipeg had 35,000.
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"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't realize there was such a disparity.
You’re right that it’s different.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 23, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The Phoenix and Atlanta situations are night and day
The NHL owns the Coyotes and the city of Glendale is desperate to have a tenant in Jobing.com Arena, otherwise, it goes empty most of the year. Atlanta Spirit Group is outright trying to drive the Thrashers of Atlanta – they’re selling the rights to the teams they own, but are selling the Thrashers separately from the rights to Phillips Arena and the Atlanta Hawks.
Go Sharks!
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That's true.
But the NHL stepped in with Coyotes and a potential bad ownership decision, why don’t they do something similar and help find an owner to prevent Atlanta Spirit from driving the franchise into the ground.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 23, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's why:
Coyotes: Team with expensive building (city needs to fill it to not lose money), phantom ownership, interested buyers and taxpayers willing to put out.
Thrashers: Has next to no fans, occupy a building that already houses another team, ownership has been losing money and wants to sell, no serious offers from Atlanta area.
It really is night and day. The Coyotes are a struggling franchise with some potential, the Thrashers were dead on arrival. The Thrashers have cost their investors tens/hundreds of millions of dollars.
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by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense.
Phoenix has much more potential/success than Atlanta ever will or had, but I feel like a lot of Atlanta’s problems were due to ownership and not necessarily the city. IIRC, the Hawks have also struggled to draw fans, but they’ve had playoff runs to keep up interest in the team unlike the Thrashers. It’s a lack of team success that has kept the fans away in Atlanta (similar to Phoenix), and not a lack of interest in the game in my opinion. I will contend, however, that the situations in Phoenix and Atlanta are very different after the information I’ve learned thanks to your and Nael’s recent posts.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on May 23, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Be awesome if we got Byfuglien out of that "situation."
As I recal, the players go FA in a scenario involving a team move, no?
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Not sure.
I’m only 21. I’ve never seen any sort of media coverage regarding a team’s move. XD IIRC, the last team to move was Hartford to Carolina in ’97, and at age 7, I was more interested in Pokemon cards than hockey, I assure you of that.
Honestly though, I’d rather have someone like Little, Peverly or Haydar… Someone with developing talent that can serve as interesting roster options if the old dogs falter. I’m not particularly impressed with San Jose’s offensive prospects right now.
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"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought that’s only if the teams disappear. I’m pretty sure if the Thrashers move, Manitoba doesn’t start out as an expansion team… do they?
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by Vancouverguy on May 23, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
They do keep players after the move.
Because I know Modano only played for the one franchise all his career; North Stars and (South) Stars.
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"Why a tool shed?"
"It's where all the hoes are at."
by Evil Stanchion on May 23, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
and Doan I believe played only for Jets/Phoenix.
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by Vancouverguy on May 24, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Never say die.
I missed yesterday’s game because the place we played in brooklyn had no TV (WTF?). When i called home and found out they lost, it kinda killed my day. I had a long van ride home from NYC (5+ hours thanks to a 2 hr accident delay in North Bronx) and the good company of my band mates, among other things, to help get my mind off the loss. Might explain my current positive outlook for a game 5 comeback.
If Tuesday is the last Sharks game of the season, I will watch it and enjoy the fact that i can finally watch my team, on the coast opposite their home, 3 rounds farther along in the playoffs than any of my other friends teams (except maybe Boston). And some of the adversity they’ve faced and conquered this season? Plus the usually playoff invisible Jumbo-Patty combo suddenly showing up in huge fashion and leading the team by example!?
Chokers? I think not. Time for that to go away.
People may call me a fool for it, but I still think that our match up last round held the cup winner. If DET beat us, they would have went on to Beat VAN and win the cup- Not easily, but I think they would have. But they DIDN’T beat SJ. And so, i still also hold firm to the belief that since SJ beat DET, proving they are the better team, they CAN come back from being down 3-1 and WIN, numbers be damned. Shame and woe to all who doubt so hard. If you hang it up so easily what of the players? You get all worked up over a loss and yet you have NOTHING tangible on the line except a foolish sense of pride and bragging rights. The players have their jobs, their livelihood on the line. If you have more on the line than the players… you might have a gambling problem.
I understand being frustrated. I’m tired of taking shit from these ass hat Rangers and Devils fans I’m surrounded by, still using the “choker” label and all the generic “I don’t watch hockey except my team” insults. But isn’t watching sports supposed to be fun? Being a fan, supposed to be fun? It’s not life and death, not for you… so cool it with the gloom and doom talk. Reality is reality, but it’s not over until one team wins a 4th game.
That said, TMac: If you’re holding back Demers until it’s necessary, now would DEFINITELY be that time. The boys are in a 3-1 hole, and need the next 3 straight. If we don’t use everything we’ve got…we’ll be trading hockey sticks for golf clubs.
Regardless of the numbers, i still believe in Teal, and the comeback.
KEEP THE FAITH. GO SHARKS!
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Demers skating today :)
God do we miss him
But isn’t watching sports supposed to be fun? Being a fan, supposed to be fun? It’s not life and death, not for you… so cool it with the gloom and doom talk. Reality is reality, but it’s not over until one team wins a 4th game.
That’s the question I asked myself during game 6 vs Detroit. I was a hot mess. A nervous wreck all day. And I finally said “This is supposed to be fun! Why am I stressing out?” It’s not fun anymore when I can barely watch a game because I’m afraid of the outcome.
Ever since then, while the Sharks have put me through hell, I’m continuing to enjoy the ride. So I will continue to feel this way, watch our boys on Tuesday with all the faith in the world, and enjoy the game as much as I can, no matter what happens.
Might have to go with 7 D-men just in case
I say play Demers, nothing to lose and if he cannot play the entire game, then you’ve got a back up. Also, Thornton says he’ll play, but his shoulder must be bothering him. I think if things get out of hand it will be nice to have Eager and McGinn or Desjardins out there to handle things. Both Pavelski and Heatley will need to contribute for us to have a chance. Here’s to hoping we can pull of a miracle.
Great news that Demers is skating!
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 23, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Hell yes
We need that kid. Any reports of what was keeping him out?
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
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4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
Also...
Even if Jumbo is injured I think we’ll see the same level from him. He hasn’t been a slouch, he’s been playing like a man possessed. Plus he owes Torres some payback for that injury… in the way of goals.
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
Nothing yet, and I doubt we'll get any update on that, if at all.
As long as the kid can skate, I say let him go tomorrow T-Mac. I’m pretty sure an injured Demers is better than a healthy Kent Huskins.
TRUTH.
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
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+1
JQ, you’ve been on point with everything.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 23, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
By far better.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on May 23, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Demers is skating?!
Maybe I will watch Game 5 and not lose faith.
by sharksfanwithajd on May 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL at the people
who want to blow up the team and/or fire TMac.
Last time I checked, this team/coaching staff has made the Conference Finals 2 years in a row.
Not to mention, the teams they’ve faced in both of those conference finals have been stacked. Both Chicago last year and Vancouver this year are loaded with great players they just flat-out will not be able to keep around next year. Chicago lost so much of their depth that they barely made the playoffs this year. Vancouver will face the same problem this off season, and will have to let go of some major pieces to what made them such a successful team.
The Sharks, meanwhile, won’t have to get rid of ANYBODY of consequence, and actually have the flexibility to dump some old, dead weight and replace them with better players for the same price, if not cheaper.
I think a lot of fans are blind to the big picture of how good things are right now in Shark territory.
by BillytheSid on May 23, 2011 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS
Besides, i honestly don’t think our season is over yet. The Sharks seem to play their best when people don’t expect them to (see game 7 against the Wings when everyone thought the wings would make history, or game 3 against Kings when we were down 4-0), and they seem to play poorly when people expect them to win (see game 2 against the Kings when LA was missing their top 2 centermen, or game 4 against the Canucks when we all thought we’d continue our dominance at home).
Now everyone thinks the Canucks are the better team, and we’re playing in their building which we haven’t been very successful in, what better time for the Sharks to surprise us with a dominant performance!
lol it sounds like i’m kidding but i’m really not. If we can just win next game then we’ll be headed back to SJ and be given the opportunity to push a game 7. I really do believe we can do it.
I keep hearing the Canucks won't be able to keep their players
Yet I see no indication of this at all. Can someone enlighten me?
According to http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=29, Bieksa, Ehrhoff and Salo are the three big UFAs they have. They might be able to keep one of Bieksa/Ehrhoff, and perhaps Salo if he takes a pay cut. Higgins/Torres/Glass are UFAs too, but they’re making a combined $3.225M this year, so it’s relatively cheap to get them back or replace them with equivalent players. And that’s it. The 1st line is locked, the 2nd line is locked. The 3rd line centre (Malhotra) is locked. Goalies are locked.
It’s possible that they could lose all 3 defensemen to free agency, but if that happens, they suddenly have over $10M in cap space to replace them. So why do people keep comparing this to Chicago circa summer 2010? Totally different scenarios.
Don’t forget that Keslers cap hit will be going from 1.75 mill to 5 million next year…
by Khaaz on May 23, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aside from the top line of the Sedins
What makes Vancouver such a tough team to beat is their depth at defense. There is almost no drop-off from top to bottom. From #1 to #6 they easily have the best defense corp in the NHL. Bieksa and Ehrhoff are going to be looking for big paydays in free agency, and they’d be lucky to keep even one of them. There’s just really nobody out there the Canucks can get to replace either one’s production for the price tag.
by BillytheSid on May 23, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Vancouver's callups...
Vancouver right now is 9 NHL ready D deep. if they lose all 3 of their UFA D to free agency, they still have a full D roster, with more growing players in the minors. The Canucks defense is not going to have any trouble next year no matter what happens. They used 14 different defensemen this year alone, and their stats and winning percentage actually went up while their injured top 6 were out. I feel the Canucks will sign Bieksa and let Erhoff walk, because they already have Ballard as a mobile defenseman. Just my thoughts.
by Josh Dykstra on May 24, 2011 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions
EXACTLY
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Game 5 Theme Song
Appropriately, I found a clip of this song at the HP Pavilion.
Fear The Fin = Man goes into cage... Cage goes into salsa... Shark's in the salsa... Our shark.
That pic is slightly less cheezy than this one
but then Corey Hart is Canadian, so what do you expect?
I think Erhoff is aiming for his head
Speaking of music....
Nice find!
I just realized something.
Game 7 vs. Wings- I posted the video to the Motorhead song “Killers” and a pic of Lemmy pointing- Sharks Dominated and key Wings players got injured in the game. Sharks win big.
Game 1&2 vs. ’Nucks- not posted.
Game 3 @ ’Nucks: Posted the same pic and link as from game 7 vs. Wings, and Sharks dominated…and apparently Erhoff and someone else got injured.
I think we need more motorhead mojo tomorrow. Making a note of that for my phone to remind me…
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"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
Correction: Games 1 and 2 vs. 'Nucks- Not posted. Sharks lose one close one and the other gets blown.
also,
Game 3 Vs. ’Nucks, not @ Nucks.
Game 4 vs. ’Nucks- Not posted and Sharks EPIC FAIL.
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
Key to winning games ,5,6,7
Stop the BS , know what and where you are going to pass the puck to and do so with authority no lollipops!
Get in the offensive zone and if the opportunity is open shoot the puck at the net .
get some people in luongos paint , be vigilant ,be a pain in loungos neck ,
Stop the dump and chase shit even on power play they were dumping, have your plan and stick to it!!!!
Take the sedins out do what you must to keep everyone out of nemos house!!
It is there for the taking TAKE IT!!!!!
by AlmadenBass on May 23, 2011 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This ^^^^^^^^
If you mention ending your life, or show signs of self-harm, I will take you seriously!
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More to the point:
- Cut the penalties (SERIOUSLY)
- OWN the Neutral Zone
- Cover the weak side of play, for the love of all that is Holy!
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Hey we ripped three straight W’s from the hands of Babcock and company, no reason why we can’t do it again. A game five win, a decisive win no less, will put the wind, er bite, back in our jaws for a return to the tank. Please don’t let the season end after Sundays debacle of a penalty ridden mess of a game. Please let the momentum shift one more time for a game six back in SJ and plant the seed of doubt in Vancouver’s head. Take this mess all the way to game seven and shove Vancouver’s asses to the ice with a punch to the face! Go get ’em boys!
+1000000000
GO GET THIS SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!
DO IT FOR YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!
DO IT FOR THE FANS!!!!!!!!
Just finished watching the Bos/TB game
Their series is a helluva lot more entertaining than ours. I feel like the games have been way too centered around special teams, diving, embellishing, and whining. It doesn’t feel like hockey, let alone playoff hockey. We went from probably the best series in years (SJ/Det) to this crap. I want some real hockey!
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"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
exactly!
I was just talking about this earlier tonight with my g/f. Bos/TB has been fast and extremely physical. Great series so far. And a huge difference too. The teams aren’t afraid to attack eachother and lay out some hits.
Maybe it’s because I grew up in the 1980’s and 1990’s, but WTF is all of this “let the attackers skate in and cycle in our zone and do nothing to interrupt them until after they shoot at our net?” Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t that kind of stuff usually end badly for the guys cycling the puck thinking they were the harlem globetrotters? Usually in the way of a brutal and puninshing hit from a Defenseman? I’ve noticed this a lot with the SJ/DET series, and even more so with the SJ/VAN series. It drives me nuts to see SJ just let the other teams star forwards enter the zone and do nothing to put an end to the cycling. Just posing a question here but what would happen if every time say, the Sedins came toward our zone our boys set it up so Murray or Boyle were just waiting to plant a crushing open ice hit on them (much like Kronwall was pulling out last series) and smokes them clean?? Would that fall under interference? And if not, how did Kronwall get away with that twice?
I’m seriously confused as to this. SJ is the bigger team, why is there such a reluctance to get up in the ‘Nucks faces and get rough with them? Push them around. They don’t like it when you do that… and it throws off their “Skate in circles and pass the puck around seven different times and ways before taking a shot then trying to flail and bounce in it’s rebound on the weak side” play.
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"You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. "-Denis Lemieux
"I'm glad Ben Eager found hockey first... If not, I would be afraid for society"
-Plank, on FTF podcast 4/20/11
4/19/11, a day that will live in infamy... for Kings fans.
Down But NOT Out...
“The time has come to take the bull by the horns
we’ve been so downhearted, we’ve been so folorn
We get weak and we want to give in
But we still need each other if we want to win
Hold that line baby, hold that line
Get up boys and hit ‘em one more time
We may be losing now but we can’t stop trying….
You can pull it through if you need to and if
You believe it’s true it will surely happen…
We need just one victory and we’re on our way…
Prayin’ for it all day and fightin’ for it all night
Give us just one victory and it will be alright
We may feel about to fall but we go down fighting…”
(Todd Rundgren – ‘Just One Victory’)
Come out HARD tomorrow – knock the twins about, keep them away from the side of the net – put Kesler on his back a few times, make him lose his composure like in game 3, and PLEASE take that shit-eating grin off that douche LaPierre’s face.
I STILL Believe….
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by Noctro on May 23, 2011 8:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And yes, I included Bakes and Randy on purpose ;-)
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Heater on first pp unit instead of seto imo…. get him some confidence going! what does it hurt at this point he is better around the net anyways and with Thornton’s passing he will get more chances!
I was really down the past 2 days just in disbelief g4 turned out the way it did.. I woke up super early and just got this feeling today that my team’s season is not over I think something game and series changing is going to happen tonight.. go SHARKS!
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