Bob McKenzie: Salary Cap's "Upper Limit Will Be $64 Million"
by Mr. Plank on Jun 19, 2011 10:09 PM PDT
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In news that will come as a pleasant surprise to rosterbationists across the greater San Jose Area, the NHL's salary cap will be even higher than the $63.5 MM estimate Bill Daly offered earlier this month.
In fact, according to TSN's Bob McKenzie, the salary cap upper limit will be $64 MM next year, good for nearly one more league-minimum player on every team roster across the NHL:
"I'm told the upper limit of the 2011-12 NHL salary cap will be $64 million," Bob McKenzie said over Twitter. "The lower limit, or floor, will be $48 million.
As we detailed in excess here, even with a conservative salary cap estimate of $62.0 MM the San Jose Sharks would be sitting pretty in regards to their ability to pursue an improvement to their team this offseason. With an increase of $2.0 MM however, that already sunny outlook is now resulting in a few third degree sunburns at the beach of boisterous buzz.
As of today, the San Jose Sharks have 14 players under contract that will eat up $51.825 MM of cap space with five forwards and one defenseman needing to be signed. This leaves San Jose with a very cushy $12.163 MM in available funds to be used next year in order to ice a legal roster. In other words, more than enough to re-sign players such as Devin Setoguchi and Ian White and still make a big splash in the UFA market on July 1st.
Whether or not the Sharks decide to aggressively pursue a notable forward or defenseman on the free agent market this offseason is an entirely different matter of course-- Sharks General Manager Doug Wilson is notoriously frugal when it comes to offering big contracts to UFA's, and has stated before that the NHL Trade Deadline and this time of year are when organizations tend to make the most mistakes.
"Free agent frenzy-- they call it that for a reason," Wilson told Fear The Fin after the opening day of free agency last year.
However, it must be stated that the San Jose Sharks have never enjoyed the luxury that they do today, and it is entirely possible Wilson's previous trepidations are due to the limited cap space and/or unwillingness of the organization to spend all the way to the upper limit. For many years the Sharks had an internal cap set, but as the years since the Lockout have progressed, the organization has spent all the way to the top of the salary cap as the Sharks began their reign as perennial Stanley Cup contenders. That spending has caused many an offseason to occur where salary cap concerns are as much of a factor as acquiring players as the skill set of those players. This year, San Jose faces no such issue.
With their core locked up for the next four years, young players improving at a rapid pace, top-shelf talent throughout the roster, and two straight Western Conference Finals under their belts, San Jose is in an enviable position at this moment in time. The roster is primed for another strong season as it stands-- with over $12.0 MM to work with in free agency, that roster has the potential to become undoubtedly elite with the right moves this offseason.
The stage is set for July 1st.
And something, whether it be wishful thinking or a cold hard analysis of the numbers, tells me it's going to be worth your while to tune in.
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Yes!
Do your magic DW.
Offer sheet Doughty!
(kidding?)
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Yeah,we shouldn't get too many world-class players. It would ruin the fun.
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by jwizzle241 on Jun 19, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Psh, world class players, who needs 'em right? :-)
What I was trying to say is that imo we don’t need any more ~6’ offensive defensemen. if we’re dreaming about picking up Dmen who have about two percent chance of moving from their current team I would much prefer a Shea Weber or Marc Staal :P I think Boyle could use a shut down caliber player with size.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jun 20, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it'd still work out though. haha
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Nashville's going to arbitration with Weber, so we can't send an offer sheet.
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Would rather have Yandle.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 20, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
For the same money, I'd think I'd take Doughty.
But, I think I could be talked in to settling for Yandle. haha
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Yandle's where it's at. His first seasonw as terrible, but he's progressed into somewhat of a beast.
My vote is for Yandle. I got to see hi 40 somethin times last year. he’s well worth it, and would be a great fit. Plus, he can skate, and he knows how to play defense first. His skating ability lets him cover more ice, leadign to more opportunities int he offensive zone as he joins the play.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jun 21, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
This should make things interesting.
I’m curious to see what DW’s play will be.
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YES!
Let’s do this, Doug Wilson! Things are gonna be quite interesting, to say the very least. I’m really excited to see how everything pans out.
109 days until Opening Day! :D
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Easter was more than 50 days ago… so.. (sighs at the mixed blessing that is the passing of time). :]
He better do something
There are some crazy moves ahead. Tomas Vokoun for instance is going to land somewhere and the article linked to puck daddy from the miami herald brought up the flyers and the avalanche. yikes if he comes west.
by Montyburnz!...1 on Jun 19, 2011 10:20 PM PDT reply actions
Last time was in the west we didnt have that much trouble...
Remember how we slammed him in the playoffs?
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 20, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he will be open to moving for a reasonable price and would be great for the avalanche and what i guess is a rebuilding process. he also would be better for the flyers then bryzgalov but thats just my opinion
by Montyburnz!...1 on Jun 20, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
As a Sharks fan and with the organization willing to spend to the cap, that’s definitely good news.
But as a NHL fan, it kind of bothers me. The floor is going to be 48 million. What was the lockout and a wasted season for? It seems like they’re going to reach a point where they have to do it again to get more a gap between the cap and floor.
That's only 16 million...
Based on the current parity of this league, I dont see that as a problem – especially when teams that are on the bottom tend to be raking in top talents in the draft.
Look at Pittsburgh for example… they went from bottom spenders to one of the top salaried rosters after picking up a few top prospects over a couple years and now look at them…
New Arena… The media’s face of hockey… Steeler Nation sized fanbase…
They’re in it now for the longrun just like we are. (though… cant seem to win their division? wtf)
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 20, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I am very confident in DW
Doug Wilson is very resourceful when it comes to shelling out for his players and deciding how long to keep them before possibly extending them, for many reasons:
1) He has made a very fine point to not get into bidding wars over highly coveted free agents. Many teams who lock up players for long term contracts (ex: Kovalchuk, Luongo, Campbell) get stuck with trouble because it turns out to not be worth guaranteeing them a hefty salary; those sort of teams GMs seem to prefer showing off their ego but it ends up backfiring on them. DW doesn’t play that game; he has made it his mission to improve his team by making the right decisions when he has to keep someone longer (ex: Marleau, Pavelski, Thornton), and when it is time to let them go for the good of the team’s mission (ex: Nabby).
2) DW understands the meaning of team chemistry. He grows younger players to build on for the future and doesn’t have to do significant changes to the current core group unless they are hurting the team or not performing as expected. Basically, what guys like Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Setoguchi are for the team now, younger guys like Couture, Demers, Braun, Stalock will be for the future of the team.
3) He works on improving his team and keeping them consistent; and follows his own unique style though he now and then will do things similar to what other teams do.
4) Much like TMac, he doesn’t generalize, and he also takes responsibility for the team. He understands what he must to do fullfill his mission of bringing the Stanley Cup to San Jose, and that it involves making your team better than they were last year.
Well said
You make some great points as to why DW is generally a very good GM. He has missed on a few occasions, but has done an admirable job making SJ an upper tier team.
I think SJ is very close, especially after watching Vancouver and Boston battle it out for 7 games. Boston wore down Vancouver with their size and physical play. Tim Thomas was the difference, not Luongo. Whenever a Sedin or Kessler crashed the net, Boston made them pay.
For San Jose, if we could add a shot on the PP and some toughness as well on the Blue Line, I think we have enough to get to the top of the mountain. Our window is the next 3 years, plenty of time to get it done.
Since we have much cap space, why not make an offer sheet for Keith Yandle? If Sheldon Souray is bought out, why not offer him a 1 year deal to add toughness to our D? Other than that, I think a Cheechoo here or a Nolan there should suffice.
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by calixtus on Jun 20, 2011 12:50 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
so
Have the Sharks ever had a home-grown, american talent before (like Stalock, maybe?).
Just curious. I’m still quite a newb when it comes to the nitty-gritty of hockey in the NHL (although I played hockey for years and hope to play again soon—I miss it so).
Good luck, DW!
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by Evil Stanchion on Jun 20, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
If we could snag both Carle and Coburn from the Flyers...
for the price of Murray, Braun, our first and second, and maybe another prospect, that would our top two pairings be sweet!!!
Boyle – Coburn
Vlasic – Carle
Demers – Cheap UFA
I think I just found my new favorite rosterbation!!!
Yup..I had to make one!! I couldn't stop myself
FORWARDS
Devin Setoguchi ($2.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Dany Heatley ($7.500m)
Pascal Dupuis ($1.600m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Kyle Wellwood ($1.200m)
Ben Eager ($0.750m) / Vernon Fiddler ($0.750m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Matt Carle ($3.437m) / Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m)
Jason Demers ($1.250m) / Anton Babchuk ($2.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,620,834; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $379,166
Good one
I like that you retained Seto, Pavs, Eager, and McGinn. Coburn and Carle would be sweet… I’d let Murray/Braun go for that.
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Holy balls that’s awesome
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by pooponastick on Jun 20, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Second City made a good point in their Canucks Eulogy feature...
The Sharks expect a different result each year with the same top-9 group. I don’t exactly advocate an overhaul, but it’d certainly be nice to swap some mid-range talent with other teams, just to see if the chemistry gets better… I couldn’t exactly consider the likes of Mitchell, Pavelski and Setoguchi to be sacred, protected players.
I don’t foresee an overhaul unless the Sharks finish in the West’s bottom five, but should it happen, the only players I’d save (without question) are Couture, Clowe, Vlasic, Thornton, Boyle, Braun and Demers.
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Top 9
The Sharks haven’t had the same ‘top 9’ group, well, for as long as I can remember…they’ve had the same top 6 since the Heatley trade, but the 3rd line changes constantly. Unless they were talking about the top 6 forwards and top 3/4 D.
Well, most of the pieces are pretty much the same...
Marleau, Thornton, Heatley, Clowe, Pavelski, Mitchell… And Setoguchi’s been there a good while. The new pieces come in (the ever-applaudable) Logan Couture and (loaner?) Kyle Wellwood. I could be wrong, but don’t most teams show more year-to-year variation than Le Requins de San Jose?
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by Evil Stanchion on Jun 20, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Teams change up their 3rd / 4th lines somewhat from year to year, but how many teams have made back to back WCF appearances?
I can see Mitchell maybe being moved – maybe Seto, but the only way a player like Pavs will get moved is for a top 1/2 d-man, and I just don’t see that happeneing.
I want the Sharks to win a cup as much as anyone, but this team,with the addition of a good puck moving d-man and an additional PK forward or two is good enough to win it. I really don’t think people realize how much has to go right for a team to win the cup.
As good as Boston looked in the final, keep in mind they got to play 4 straight series w/ the opposition missing at least 1 of their top D-men (Markov/Gorges, Pronger, Kubina, Hamhuis).
This Sharks team is close – they just need some of that “luck” to go their way for a change.
I think you make your own luck
And it’s convenient to say that if the breaks go our way, we may very well be good enough to win it all. Don’t gloss over team chemistry, Boston had it. Especially after Horton was put out by Rome and that dirty blindside hit. Perhaps you should watch the finals again to see what it took to beat Vancouver? Yes, they were battered, but Boston won this series by consistantly hitting the Vancouver D and crushing anyone who came to the net for a rebound or tap in. And Thomas was legendary.
When I look at our team, I see a lack of physicality, especially on D. I also don’t see a consistent effort by everyone to crash the net. Boston didn’t rely on their speed, rather they played a team game and broke Vancouver down. They would have done the same to San Jose had we somehow beaten Vancouver (even though we weren’t good enough to do so).
I agree with you that when it comes to injuries, we were banged up for sure. If we were luckier we would not have suffered so many key injuries, but I cannot ever use that as an excuse, as all team have to adapt and play through them. It’s going to take a lot more than luck to win the Cup. Maybe closing out Detroit in 5 games might have helped? But honestly, I cannot conclude that we were better than either Vancouver or Boston. Let’s hope the upgrades this season will do the job.
I didn’t make any excuses and din’t say the Sharks should rely on luck. Just said how much needs to go right to win. Part of that is health and luck, along with skill and of course, will.
Where you saw a Boston team “break down” the Nucks D, I saw the Van offense/Sedin’s disappear (thanks to Chara / Siedenberg) and one goalie have a record breaking series while the other crumbled. Hamhuis going out made a very, very big difference as well.
Boston deserves the Cup, but they, like most recent Cup winners, had a lot go right along the way.
^This
Anyone else notice that there seemed to be a real lack of physical play especially in the playoffs? It seemed like no one was willing to step up and defend their team mates this season except in the media? it seemed like the usual guys who handle that type of thing (Clowe, Murray, etc) kind of took a vacation, and TMac let Wild Man Eager fill in… and he went overboard a few times.
I can’t help but keep thinking back to the Kronwall hit on Clowe. What would have happened if Clowe didn’t call out Kronwall? If instead he held his comments and just targeted Kronwall on the ice next game? Would Clowe have been injured? Would he have been more effective vs. the ’Nucks?
What if someone stepped up Vs. the ’Nucks and went after Torres? Kept on him, hit him every chance they got, much like the Bruins did… Would Jumbo still have gotten that separated shoulder? How much better would he have been able to play?
I keep asking myself these questions and ultimately, i keep coming up with the same answers- i don’t know if it would have been enough to get SJ past VAN. Ultimately, even if we had these things, it may not have been enough. But why let it keep happening?
I too read the euology on puck daddy for the ‘Nucks. They did make a good point on the same forwards always going out there. ? I’m not war-hawking for this like so many others do as they jump from the golden gate bridge after the Sharks playoff exit…but perhaps a blockbuster trade of a Heatly or a Marleau type needs to happen in order to shake this team up, especially if they don’t win the cup in 2012?
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Its a happy Day
Well this is very good news to start off a Great Monday.
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by ChangoT on Jun 20, 2011 8:08 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
What holds me over through the summer...
… Other than margaritas or Sangria is all the free agent speculation around the league. Looks like Doughty will be signed this week… Weber and Parise will be in “arbitration” just to keep offer sheets off the table a la Doug Wilson. Should be an interesting off season for once for SJ- yeah we had the Heatley trade two summers back but that was in September… 3 long months for that to happen.
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The 'Wings managed to convince Lidstrom to come back next year
As much as I respect the guy, I was hoping to not have to see him again in the postseason.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 20, 2011 8:51 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed
I was hoping he would go back to Sweden and be a captain elsewhere. Damn him!
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by sharkblood99 on Jun 20, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Sweden figured they were done poaching NHL talent
Once they signed Wallin
by calixtus on Jun 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm cautiously optimistic about it.
It means Detroit only needs one defenseman, not two. And they have a couple internal solutions they want to look at. One less team to compete with potentially.
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for what it’s worth it’ll be a $6.2 million dollar hit. it’s a sizable cap hit and yes he’s worth it.
holding my breath
I'm glad he's back
because then there is only one D man they can get in the FA market instead of two (even though Lidstrom is still a beast at 41).
by sharksfanwithajd on Jun 20, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh, no.
Detroit is a worse team without a 6 time Norris winner and current Norris finalist. Replacing Rafalski and Lidstrom with say, Pitkanen and Ehrhoff is a win for the rest of the Western Conference. Replacing just Rafalski with about anyone at his $6 million is an upgrade for the Wings overall, given how injured and ineffective he was.
I wasn’t thinking Pitkanen and Error, I was thinking more along the lines of Bieksa and Yandle.
by sharksfanwithajd on Jun 21, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well this news made July 1st more interesting
Hopefully we can take better advantage of this than the other contenders
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The only problem with this happening..
Is that it gives all the other teams an extra million to work with too. I’m pretty sure that Vancouver would love the cap to increase in order to keep their team together..
Probably not as much as they would like to shorten the 10 YEARS still left on Luongo’s deal. ;)
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by winthecupsj on Jun 20, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
So true
If you take a peak over to capgeek, Luongo has taken the throne as the most popular buyout!!
Poetic justice
It’s all that tire pumping he’s been doing lately. Rumor has it he’s going to leave Vancouver at the end of his contract to start his own service station…
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Vancouver's issue is the Sedins
They have 2 Patrick Marleaus on their top line. Not working out so well for them.
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Maybe we could send Marleau to Vancouver, then they could have a gutless trifecta coasting on the defensive side of the puck…
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by sharkblood99 on Jun 20, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish Marleau would play in his own zone on occasion
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Right, Kiwi,
DW isn’t going to start bidding players up just because he’s got a bit more space. Not when other GM’s are more likely to do it. I don’t see this increase in cap space helping us at all on July 1st. Wilson has always said he’s got until the trade deadline to finish the team. Same thing this season.
Also, as someone pointed out in a fanpost, the Sharks are still managing to lose money each year, even with back to back WCF appearances. If the internal cap isn’t implemented this year, there WILL be a sizable increase in ticket prices next season. That just flat out sucks.
Bottom line is that we’ve been beaten by teams in the WCF the past two seasons who’ve had a lot of luck and purchased depth. When the ceiling is raised like this, year after year, the chances of that happening again continue to increase. So, the way I see this going wrong again (look out, pessimist alert!) is for an up-and-coming team ready to expedite growth by opening the wallet. We already know LA is willing to pay for talent. What if Nashville or Dallas was, too?
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Not “each year”, only last year due to revenues not increasing much yet the team then spent up to the cap (the year before that they were 2-3 mil back from the cap). The hockey market in San Jose is still developing and growing. As was said in the fanpost, the Sharks are owned by a group that sees the Sharks as part of a package. So it isn’t a foregone conclusion that ticket prices are going to raise as the group does other events at the Pav among other things. Though with Sharks ticket prices averaging in the lower end of the spectrum (especially compared to the success of the team) I would expect a ~5 increase on tickets, but nothing radical.
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by theneverman on Jun 20, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I think my brother running into Mayers twice in a day scared the hell out of Jammer and made him think San Jose fans are the second coming of Toronto fans.
Kidding of course, but it would be funny.
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Assistant Coach Trent Yawney is leaving the #Sharks to pursue a head coaching position.
Seriously might be the best news ever!
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I’m not a fan of Yawney at all!! He doesn’t have a very good record of developing young talent and he seems to have a thing against “non N. American” players (that’s purely based on what I’ve seen him do throughout his NHL career).
He handled the D and the PK the past couple of years and during his tenure, those two things have gone downhill.
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I knew he manged the D...
but I didn’t realize he was in charge of PK. Great point, hopefully they find someone who can really help us in those categories.
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by SharksFanTillDeath on Jun 20, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He also
Had a pretty bad record as a head coach in Chicago. But seeing as it was his first go-round, I give him a pass on that. But he was responsible in priciple for our lack luster PK and inconsistent D all year.
Holes to fill
So the Sharks need atleast 2 forwards for the 4th line, and also play the PK. They need a Dman/PK coach, anything else they need to have?
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by ChangoT on Jun 20, 2011 1:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Not sure
I don’t think they need to fill fourth-liner holes. Andrew Desjardins and Jamie McGinn looked good to me in the playoffs. McGinn came back with a vengeance after being buried in Worcester after Christmas and I was impressed with the play of Desjardins when he filled in for Nichol.
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How about this
Resign Eager for $750,000 and get a hard ass drill sargent of an assistant coach to wrangle him Put him on the 4th line w/ Desjardins and McGinn. I like the sound of that line.
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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 20, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh...
Want no part of Eager anymore. McGinn-Desjardins-Ferriero looked just fine together…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 20, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
That actually sounds really awesome.
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Would be better on a 4th line than Ferriero. Perhaps he could move up to the third line?
I'm for that!
That would be a physical line to play against…
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White
Also sounds like White won’t be back either…
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2011/06/20/sharks-wont-be-bringing-back-scott-nichol-or-jamal-mayers-and-coaching-staff-wont-include-trent-yawney/
I don't really agree with DW in the thinking that Braun can fill White's role.
Demers can, but I don’t think Braun can (yet). The only way letting White go makes sense is if DW’s going to acquire a legit #2. But, with him talking about White potentially being expensive, why would he splurge on somewhere more expensive? It’s looking very likely Boyle will be overworked again, but I hope I am wrong.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 20, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
There really isn’t a legit #2 avail. as a UFA, so if the Sharks are going to get one it’ll be through a trade. But, I don’t think that’ll happen either.
If the org. thinks Braun is ready for full time NHL duty, he’ll be a bottom pairing d-man. White, who is probably looking for a raise on his $3mil per year, is far too expensive as a bottom pairing d-man.
I really think the Sharks will get another top 4 d-man, whether it’s via UFA or trade. I’m also pretty sure that they’ll be giving Petrecki & Doherty a long, hard look at the camps. Don’t think either is ready yet, but this team likes to promote from within when it can.
I think there’s a few options out there that I think could be considered #2 defensemen, but there aren’t many. I think Braun can serve a third pairing role, but I don’t think he can or will be utilized enough (especially on the power-play) to spell Boyle. I don’t think Petrecki and Dohrety are ready either, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see them be some of the last cuts. I don’t really want a third pairing of Braun/Petrecki or Dohrety, as I think Braun needs a vet to play with. Maybe Murray if we get another top 4 guy.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 20, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Out of curiosity – who do you see as a #2? The only one I see that could fit as a #2 is Pitkanen, but I still don’t think he’s what the Sharks need.
I don’t think Petricki or Doherty will make the team either but they are going to be given a good look. If they can pick up another top 4, Braun will have a good partner one way or another.
Thing with Braun is he isn’t “young” and I think he’s ready for the NHL. Would’ve liked to have seen more of him last season instead of Wallin – now that he’s gone (along with Yawney) the younger guys will be given a bigger role.
Boyle will be given less TOI next season, I don’t really havea doubt about that.
I'm not really keen on letting White walk...
I thought he meshed pretty well on the team and had a skill set that suited our needs. I hope this is just smoke and mirrors because I think this would be a huge mistake, esp if it’s Braun that’s going to fill his roster spot. I like Braun and think he’s going to be a fine NHL defenseman eventually, but next year, he should only be 7th d-man, rather than top 6.
However, on the other hand, DW seems to be freeing up some pretty valuable cap space right now…so maybe this will be the year he makes a big splash and acquires that oh-so-coveted #2 defenseman we all desire on July 1st? I just hope he doesn’t stand pat AND lets White walk at the same time,
Huskins
What scares me the most about DW saying nichol, mayers and probably white aren’t coming back is the fact that he didn’t say huskins. Please no more huskins.
What?!?! Huskie is awsome ><
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by Steven Hida on Jun 20, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
On a day where DW says no more Nichol, no more Mayers and prob no more White, the fact that there’s no news on Huskins worries me.
by JQ24 on Jun 20, 2011 10:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
If we can somehow get White to stay and be in the 3rd pairing, most likely with Murray, I think that’s a good decision given the availability of UFA D-men. But that plan is all contingent on getting a #2 D-man at the right price and then getting White at a good price. Please hockey gods work in your mysterious ways.
I also say “no” to Huskins as well. Please let him walk. Definitely not worth keeping.
by sharksfanwithajd on Jun 21, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
But actually
as someone suggested from below, if we have to let White go to acquire a #2 D-man and keep Seto, we could pair Braun and Murray on the 3rd line. Kinda risky, but seeing how Demers exceeded our expectations, so maybe Braun just needs the opportunity…
by sharksfanwithajd on Jun 21, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Aside from Pitkanen:
The UFAs that could fill the role in my opinion are Eric Brewer and Andrei Markov, but they are likely going to sign extensions. The RFA’s include Doughty and Weber, but I don’t see either of them leaving their respective teams.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 21, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Yandle
Might be stolen away from the Yotes. They cannot spend as much as other teams and he would be a perfect #2 guy for San Jose. Hell, I’ll even throw in Nitty if they want him?
That's my thinking as well
Off all these pipe dream #2 defenseman we all desire, I’ve been able to convince myself that it would be “easiest” to poach Yandle from the Yotes. (HA!…easiest…)
There is really no chance Wilson will go the offer sheet route…the only reason he did it last year was because Chicago was in cap hell.
Phoenix has an approved budget from the NHL, apparantly quite a bit more than they were given last year, and since they don’t have to pay Bryz, they’ll match just about any offer to Yandle.
I didn’t say it would be easy…I just said it would be “easiest”, that is, compared to the other elite d-men out there. And yeah, if I’m being completely honest with myself, your assessment of Phoenix’s situation with him is pretty much dead on.
However, someone brought this up a while ago…Phoenix is in a pretty volatile position (the “will they or won’t they move?” question is still up in the air), and recently, losing a damn good goaltender in Bryz puts them further from the cup. I keep on getting confused on what his status is, is he an RFA this year or next year? I’m still learning the NHL free agent process, so bear with me, but if at some point either this year or next year, Yandle gets to make a decision himself, the stable, perennial Stanley Cup contender, 2-time WCF appearance Sharks could be very appealing to him.
But yeeeaah that’s prob not gonna happen. Idk why I even think about it.
Yandle is an RFA now and as far as I can tell, for another 2 years. It’ll be a while before he gets to make his own decision on where he plays. He can, however, ask for a trade but there would be a lot of teams that would be interested in him if it came to that.
Then that’s where I see the opening to get him. Does he have a NMC/NTC? If so, in order for him to waive it, he’d request to be traded to a contender and the Sharks having no threat of relocation is more appealing than the Yotes’ situation.
….but on the other hand, Phoenix trading him to a division rival is probably out of the question (unless they move).
So now my ridiculous, impossible dream of getting Yandle is officially dunzo. Thanks :)
Sorry :)
He’s unsigned as of now and becuase of the situation in Phoenix I can’t imagine they’d give him a NTC/NMC.
A couple of guys that, IMO, are avail. that the Sharks could be interested in are Pitkanen, Brewer, Jovo…or they could go the trade route in which case Wilson will probably get someone that no one even knew was available.
Demers is fulfilling more than White's role on this team already.
Don’t forget that White is on the bottom pair. While I like the guy and would like to see him back, he’s not the number 2 defender we need and if moving White on and using Braun on the bottom pair lets us get that number 2, I’m fine with it. Braun has shown that he can eat minutes, if not always play a completely polished game. Neither PKs much and Braun showed flashes on the PP with Demers, which is where he’d be if he played it next year.
If we let White go and don’t get a number 2 (Pitkanen is the guy I like right now), I have a lot more of a problem with it.
I’d also point out that DW didn’t say White wouldn’t be back. He said the same stuff he said about Demers and Braun all through the last month of the season and the playoffs (and how many playoff games did Braun play?) and DP spun that into it sounding like White is gone. He very well could be, or DW could just be gushing over Braun and Demers with no roster impact.
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If he doesn’t get someone, he better re-read his statement about how the Sharks’ slow start doomed them come playoff time, because running Braun-Moore or something absurd like that as a bottom line isn’t smart.
I doubt it gets to two rookies on the bottom pair.
Though that might mean overpaying someone we may not want (coughHuskinscough) or trying hard to get a guy like Hejda (who’ll probably be in the second or third tier of defensemen this offseason) to avert it.
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Yea, DW never specifically said that White wasn’t coming back, that was just extrapolation from a comment about Braun and Demers filling the same role that White does and that dollars might not line up (because as myself and others have said, to get that #2 you gotta sacrifice either White or Seto, nothing else really fits for the cut).
That said, DW DID specifically say at the end of the interview that “I think you’ll see an addition on our defense.”
That kind of statement implies someone other than White or Braun, as they’re already considered part of the team, you can’t “add” someone already there.
Yeah DW could very well have meant that he plans on trading Braun.
I think It all depends on whether White is willing to take a little bit of a discount to sign with us. I would think he’d be willing after finally going to the playoffs (and the WCF no less) for the first time in his career with us. Ideally we could sign him for 3 to 3.2 mill.
Wilson could be playing games, he didn’t specify that White will not be back, same for Huskins, Eager and Wellwood, but him saying that Braun and Demers can fill role and that he’s looking to add a defensemen really sounds like he’s not expecting White back.
Really, for the $3+ million White is likely looking for, the Sharks can do a whole lot better.
Yawney leaving is going to make quite a difference for the defensemen as well – he’s the guy who doesn’t trust the young guys to come in and play.
It also kinda sounds like Wilson knows who he wants, whether or not he’s able to get the guy is a totally different question.
I still think DP is spinning it a little. But what DW actually said (from the newest WTC) is:
I think it has to be a fit for all of us. We look at what the options are, what the internals are. On the right side, we’ve got Boyle, Demers, Braun. We will explore, not just the UFA market. We’ll talk to 29 teams because there are trade discussions, too.
Where does he fit in that loop? Where do the dollars fit? Where does the term fit? And what are the external options to fill somewhere else in our defense corps.
That sounds to me like some of what you said, that he thinks he could pay less than White makes/wants and has another target in mind (in fact, he also said they’re looking at a target they’ve had for a while which sounds like maybe Burns to me, given past rumors). But I think he’s also trying to put the ball back in White’s court to come to the table with a reasonable price and term.
If White said he’d take take the same money as Murray and didn’t want more than two or three years, DW would probably do it. I think the question is if White thinks he can find a bigger payday à la Brian Campbell rather than if DW wants to keep him.
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I actually think that White’s camp probably wants/asked for too much money and / or term as well.
It’ll be interested to find out who it is he’s targeting, maybe as soon as this weekend.
I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. DW is just pointing out the obvious really. I was saying the same thing at the end of the season this year:
I really like White too. I don’t want to see him walk, but do we have room for White on our defense pairings? What pairing should White play on?
I think he’d be best with Vlasic, but what about Demers? We could throw White or Demers on the 3rd pairing, but with who? Braun needs some playing time on the 3rd pairing this season, but Braun with Demers/White seems like kind of an odd pairing; i feel like there needs to be a more defensive guy on that pairing.
Either way, i think we need to resign White. By resigning him we gain a trade chip in Justin Braun, or maybe even Jason Demers (hypothetically, but it wouldn’t be worth trading Demers with his low cap hit). I remember DW saying in an interview that all the GMs that called him about trades would always ask about Couture, Pavelski, Demers, and Braun.
Maybe Hjalmarsson? There were rumors about Chicago wanting to spend less money on their defense, so maybe they’re willing to move him.
I’d trade Seto for Hjalmarsson. Hjammer could be a good partner for Dan Boyle.
We could then maybe sign Alex Tanguay to play on Coutures wing in place of Seto, which i think would be a good fit since Couture is more of a goal scoring center and Tanguay is more of a playmaking winger. Tanguay’s also a good two way player and he can play on the PK.
They aren't letting go of Hjalmmersson...
and with the amount of teams that want a decent centerman this offseason, a guy coming off a 22 goal, 69 point season like Tanguay is a commodity that might go overpaid… See Winnipeg for example, as they are in DIRE need of Centermen who can deliver the puck… Tanguay’s a guy who could do that…
Or he could just stay with Calgary… They seem to like him there, and if he only gets a modest raise over his current 1.7mm a year… I dont see why they wouldnt resign him…
(Compared to Jokinnen, who makes twice as much currently, and has been downright disappointing… I dont see why they wouldnt want to keep him)
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 20, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Tanguay's a winger though, isn't he?
At least I thought he was.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 21, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm Confused...
With the chatter that the team had followed White for a couple of years and had much interest in him, I figured he’d be re-signed. Given his relatively young age, experience and skill set as a puck-carrier, he seemed like a good fit. Now, five months later, he isn’t a good match for the Sharks?
Now before some you rattle off reasons to me, I am aware of the fact he’s a righty and made $3M last year. But my point is that Doug Wilson also knew all of this, and still traded for him. If he’s going to be a UFA rental, then why blow him up to the press?? Instead, why not say that “his skills match what we need for this playoff season”?
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I was a big re-sign White guy
but the more I think about it, the more I’m OK with him leaving.
We already have 2 undersized, offensively-gifted, defensively-suspect, not-very-physical, right-handed shooting defensemen (Boyle, Demers) on our roster, and a 3rd guy who fits all those criteria except being undersized (Braun). We don’t need a 4th guy who fits that bill, for a pricetag that would likely put us out of contention from signing the big minute-eating defensive-minded #2 defenseman that we REALLY need.
Yeah that’s what sucks. I see White as a very good asset of ours that we paid a 2nd round pick and Derek Joslin to acquire. It would be such a waste to just let him walk now, a few months later.
We need to find a way to resign White at something under 3.5 mill imo. He’s an excellent offensive defenseman who is certainly worthy of playing on our 2nd pairing with Vlasic; though the coaching staff seems to really believe in Demers’ development so i think he stays on the 2nd pairing, which isn’t a bad decision.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 20, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Braun and Demers
WTF Doug!!!!! Demers and Braun don’t show they can handle big minutes in the NHL. I sure hope he has a very good plan up his sleeve. If Doug thinks his young Wor. Players are going to make a difference on this roster, then he might as well hand over his GM Duties.
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by ChangoT on Jun 20, 2011 3:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Braun May Need Seasoning
But Demers asserted himself over the second half of the season and, once the D pairings were changed up, he and Vlasic were a solid pair.
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Marinating him might help too….
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Braun:
Will be just fine back there. Considering the minimal cap space…If he doesnt work out, we have untill the trade dead line to get some one. It’s not a bad choice to wait it out and keep the cap space available. I say we put the kid in there. (Two brids, one puck)….
by will_hunter23 on Jun 21, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Demers has proved himself
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Jun 20, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Demers is not a Worcester player.
If you want to hang that on Braun, I won’t argue although I think it’s hyperbole. Demers is a whole other story. He’s more than earned a spot on the top two pairs and plays significant minutes in that role and his stats back that up. He improved in every category but goals and was 9th most on the team in time on ice. Sounds just fine out of the less experienced player on the second pairing to me.
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Now that we know who won't be back next season...
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Devin Setoguchi ($2.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Dany Heatley ($7.500m)
Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.850m)
Ville Leino ($1.500m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.150m) / Benn Ferriero ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Anton Babchuk ($2.500m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($1.500m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Justin Braun ($0.875m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,675,001; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $324,999
I put in an extra D-man because I am not so sure Braun is ready to be a full-time part of the roster, just in case.
Overall, how does this sound?
$1.5M for Jonathan Ericsson is a waste of cap space
$1.5 for Ville Leino also seems like it might be a bad investment.
I think your numbers are more or less correct. The actual players themselves are worth quibbling over.
I concur that Braun isn’t 82 game ready, but deserves a roster spot.
I’d say the same about Desjardins. He could find a home on the 4th line, but not for 82 games. And we may yet need John McCarthy or Frazer McLaren or Brandon Mashinter. For those reasons, paying any 4th liner over $1M seems like a bad idea. I’d like someone cheaper who could be scratched if the kids are able to crack the lineup.
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Leino
According to the Philly beat writer – Leino turned down a multi year deal worth $3mil per year so I don’t see him signing for that $1.5 you have him at.
And I don’t think Ericcsson is much of an upgrade over, well, anything. I’d rather let Braun play those minutes. There’s very little chance Braun will be the #7 d-man, he needs to be playing, whether it’s in the NHL or AHL, he needs to play.
I have no idea how this roster made it to 63M. It looks horrible to me.
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by Evilducks on Jun 20, 2011 4:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's HOW it made it to $63M
Overpaying marginal players.
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Ericsson's turned down $2 million+ from Detroit.
1. He sucks.
2. I’d rather light the money on fire than pay him 2.5 or more.
What about Hejda, Montador, or O’Brien?
by zack007attack on Jun 20, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
July 1st sure cant come fast enough
I guess its going to be a crazy off-season again.
Go Big or Go Home
by ChangoT on Jun 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
To Our Heavenly Hockey Gods,
After “stanchion gate” and the Bruins’ triumph thereafter, I’m a believer that the Hockey Gods work in mysterious ways. This is my prayer to you all.
Please, enable DW to acquire a good/great PK’ing forward for the third line. Either Joel Ward or Brooks Laich will suffice. Also, enable DW to acquire a #2 D man, without trading Seto, Pavelski, or any of our core players (Torrey Mitchell does not count).
Amen.
by sharksfanwithajd on Jun 20, 2011 6:28 PM PDT reply actions
I hope and pray Ben Eager is gone.
We need smart hockey players on this team. Eager already single-handedly lost us a game in the WCF with his moronic penalties, and averaged 2 penalties a night during the playoffs. DW please cut this guy loose and let him drag down a team not named the Sharks..
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jun 20, 2011 6:59 PM PDT reply actions
As we’ve talked about for a while, Eager could be a really great 4th liner (even a 3rd liner) if he could just get some discipline.
Considering that DW didn’t mention Eager as a guy who would be gone next year, it could be assumed the DW hasn’t yet given up on Eager.
I'm with you there...
Eager is such an idiot sometimes…and he’ll legitimately cost you games. And its not like he’ll magically change all of a sudden. He is who he is.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 20, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
For the same reason why I say we keep McGinn...
One game, even 2 games no matter when it is, does not make them insufficient to this team…
Penalties don’t mean you dont resign them…
Dumb Brian McCabe ‘putting it in your own net after offering them like 8mm a season’ shit is what makes someone wear their welcome.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 20, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't want the Sharks to risk playing Eager for even one more shift in the playoffs.
He put up 41 minutes in 10 playoff games this year. No excuses, and not worth it from a player with as little value that Eager has.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jun 20, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Eager is a keeper
The Sharks need a player like this on the 4th line, but he does have upside. He might even get a chance to play on the PK unit.
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by ChangoT on Jun 20, 2011 8:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
He had arguably the sickest goal in the playoffs...
Him and Seguin’s goals were ridiculous…
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 20, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
There is no way Eager goes on the PK. You can’t have PKer that is the most prone guy on your team to take penalties.
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I'm probably the biggest Ben Eager fan here
But he’s definitely NOT a PK player… he would need to work on a lot before he gets that. I think he’s got the potential to be, he is fast and does have a good shot.
I really want to see Eager back because (like I said before) it seems that Murray and Clowe kinda toned down the physical play. We need someone to dish out some payback to players like Kronwall, Torres, Bieksa, Shawn Thornton, and Pronger. That’s the only way our start forwards and big guns are going to make it all the way through the season without getting killed.
Likewise for McGinn, if he would just stop getting stupid boarding penalties at the wrong times.
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We all get excited...
Then we all start pulling out rope after July 2nd. Its just what DW does. Cap space means he’ll act like a real estate investor hoping someone coveted will bite at 80 cents on the dollar and then when they don’t he’ll pay the secondary guys he knows and trusts 120 cents on the dollar. In other words he’ll end up giving Seto more than he should and we’ll get stuck with Huskins or someone like him for what seems like a stupid salary.
Ya...that DW sucks
wait…hang on…I think I just remembered something. Oh yeah…he put together the team that’s been to 2 straight conference finals.
DONT RESIGN WHITE.
OFFERSHEET KEITH YANDLE PLOXXXXXX
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ill bet you $1
that phoenix goes to some length to match an offer sheet to yandle.
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They probably gave up Bryzgalov to make sure they keep Yandle.
Yandle is as likely as Weber or Doughty imo
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Agreed,
but dont tell SeanCrosby87, I want that $1. :D
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Pointless
No way Phoenix lets him walk for anything Wilson is willing to pay.
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Does any one think that Eager can be a possitive asset if TM can calm his poor pen taking abilities? I think it’s possible. Eager can skate…great shot…tough…?? I think he’s good for the $…Any thoughts?
Eager has plenty of positive assets
As for TMac reigning in any of his tendencies, to that I say HA.
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He’s more likely to punch TMac in the face….
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by Steven Hida on Jun 21, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Rosterbation Completed
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Devin Setoguchi ($2.500m)
Kyle Wellwood ($1.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Maxime Talbot, or Marty Reasoner ($1.500m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.500m) / Jamie McGinn ($1.025m)
John McCarthy ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Hannan, Brewer, Pitkanen, or Bieksa ($4.500m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Jason Demers ($1.250m) / Jan Hejda, or Shane O’Brien ($2.000m)
Mike Moore ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,962,501; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $462,499
SUMMARY
- Seto gets $2.5 mil
- Wellwood gets small a raise to about his career average
- Desjardins, McGinn, John McCarthy are all retained at previous salaries
- Sign one of the following (which ever one you can get closest to 4.5 mil): Scott Hannan, Eric Brewer, Joni Pitkanen, Kevin Bieksa. Probably Hannan is the easiest to grab at this price.
- Sign either Jan Hejda or Shane O’Brien at 2.00 mil – this represents a raise for O’Brien and matches Hejda’s previous pay
- Nitty gets traded for picks on draft day
- Pickup Boooosh for same salary he got this year
GO SHARKS!
Bieksa and Pitkanen will almost certainly cost much more than 4.5 mill, and they’re both more offensively oriented guys which isn’t really what we need in a #2 guy to play with Boyle; though i think Pitkanen is certainly good enough all-around to play with Boyle. Hannan, i don’t think he’s a #2 guy.
I think if we sign any big name UFA defenseman, it’ll be Eric Brewer. Brewer and Pitkanen would be good partners for Boyle, but Pitkanen will likely be too expensive.
Why put Murray and Vlasic on the same pairing though? That pairing will have almost no offensive ability. I think we should keep Vlasic and Demers together, and then play Murray and Braun as our third pairing. No need to sign another guy to play on our 3rd.
Besides Hejda will likely cost much more than 2 mill. I think someone signs him for somewhere between 3 and 4 mill actually.
I’d love to get Boosh back in SJ though, especially for under a mill, but he’s probably going to be looking for more than a mill.
Niemi is not truly a 60 game netminder
Nitty is a viable 1A or 1B. We’re going to need someone a bit better than Boooooosh (although I do love Boucher, don’t mean to hate on the guy, he’s just not what we need).
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Want this.
But with Braun in Moore’s spot.
(I know it isn’t likely to happen this way, but it’s at least pretty realistic)
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Vancouver likes Clowe. We will steal him. That is all. You can have Ehrhoff back.
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by will_hunter23 on Jun 21, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll trade you Clowe for Kesler
Come to think of it, that’s pretty lopsided. Throw in Manny and we’ll call it even.
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Ugh...
I’d have to stop cheering for the Sharks if they got Kesler. Cannot support that jackhole…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 21, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I could. But I think it’s already been established that I have no soul.
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Ummmmm, no.
How did you think he earned the nickname Error? That’s why we get rid of him. We’ll keep Clowey, thank you very much.
by sharksfanwithajd on Jun 21, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
No way.
I don’t care how well Ehrhoff does, I don’t want him to be a Shark again.
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Devin Setoguchi ($2.500m)
Erik Cole ($4.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.800m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.800m) / Brandon Mashinter ($0.719m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Brent Burns ($3.550m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Jan Hejda ($2.200m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.800m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,094,168; BONUSES: $737,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $905,832
- Trade Vlasic and 1st rounder with a mid level prospect for Burns… which may be a bit much for a soon to be free agent, but Burns as a shark i’d love to see.
- Trade Nitty for a draft pick, hopefully to somewhere that needs a platoon starter, cause i do like him, or keep him as a solid backup but adjust some things.
- Sign Hejda to a slight raise, just to entice him to come here.
- Surround Pavelski with some skill and speed by signing Cole with a fair raise
- Give Seto a small raise, 2.5 – 2.8 sounds about right.
by CowPal2theTank on Jun 21, 2011 11:58 PM PDT reply actions
TRADE VLASIC?? If anything we need to get another Vlasic. Trading Vlasic and a first for Burns is imo a lateral move at best, considering Burns is a UFA next year.
Yeah, I'd rather trade away Petrecki, Braun or Doherty (or even 2 of the 3) than Pickles.
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Highly lateral
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Outside of the Sharks organization
Just read that Jaromir Jagr has narrowed his interest down to two teams: the Penguins (of course) and the Red Army. Looks like he’s leaning towards the Red Army though. Gosh, they love having the old guys in the sunset of their careers play for them.
by sharksfanwithajd on Jun 22, 2011 8:28 AM PDT reply actions
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