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The Less Obvious Aspects of the Burns Acquisition

I'm sure the comment board of the main post has some wonderful and insightful analysis.  I'm just not going to read all 400+ of them so if I repeat anything you said, forgive me.  I just had a few thoughts about what this trade means for our team as a whole including obvious upsides and more subtle downsides.  I'm sure most people have already got a grasp on the more obvious aspects of the trade like the fact that we finally have a #2 D-Man and we just lost a fan favorite, but this fanpost will address the other questions: who took the bigger risk? what does losing Charlie Coyle mean? What does this trade do to our lineup? Are there any red flags about Burns? Let's get started:

Other than losing a fan favorite in Setoguchi, the most obvious downside in my opinion is that we have lost the future potential of Charlie Coyle.  Power forwards take a while to develop but there is no doubt that the kid showed some potential in the past few years with his performance on the Junior USA squad along with his numbers from other teams.  Will he be great?  We still do not know, but I can see him being Ryane Clowe in about 6 years.  If it weren't for the fact that we have Freddie Hamilton, I would be much more upset at this trade.  

Some would say that the biggest downside of the trade is the risk we are taking knowing that Burns could just pull a Brian Campbell (BOOOO! jk...sort of)  and leave when the season is over.  But I honestly think Minnesota is taking the far greater risk.  We are sacrificing a lot of POTENTIAL but the Wild are sacrificing a lot of CERTAINTY.  Burns is a 26 year old All-Star.  The kind of player you can build a team around.  Setoguchi has struggled with consistency but has a lot of upside, Coyle is a developing power forward who is a few years away from the NHL, and who knows what you're gonna get from the 28th overall pick.  When thinking about losing Setoguchi, Milan Michalek comes to mind.  Another player with a lot of upside who struggled with consistency despite showing an ability to post 50+ points.  As you all know, that trade didn't go so well for the Senators.  From a risk perspective, San Jose comes out on top.

If San Jose keeps Ian White, our defense would be one of the most dangerous corps in the NHL.  But I don't think we will do to an obvious downside that has emerged: lack of secondary scoring ie. no supporting cast.  With the departure of Setoguchi, I think Heatley will return to the top line.  That leaves a hole on the second line, but that's not the problem because Pavelski would most likely fill that slot.  The problem emerges from the third line down.  In terms of roster players under contract, our bottom six currently stands at: Torrey Mitchell...yeah i'm done.  Crazy isn't it?  With the news that Mayers and Nichol are goners, I would figure that Eager, Desjardins, Ferrerio, McGinn, and possibly Wellwood will be made offers with the hopes of keeping at least the first 4 of the 5 I just mentioned.  But with the exception of Wellwood, none of those players are third line players.  We now have a giant hole in our bottom six that must be addressed from a scoring standpoint AND a penalty killing standpoint.  Not resigning Ian White, will leave us $3-4 million to help fill out the bottom lines.

Make no mistake that the Sharks DID indeed get better today with the Brent Burns acquisition.  But believe me when I say that there are still many moves left to be made.  Some needs have been met, while the status of others remains the same.  Acquiring Burns as an indication that White is gone due to financial reasons unless he is willing to come back cheap (he won't, nor should he be).  The Sharks will need to go outside of their organization to fill the holes created on our third line, but our top 6 will still be dope.

I really wish i knew more about Burns.  I don't want to jinx him, but here is the only red flag about Burns in my book (i'm not worried about his +/-):  In the past 3 seasons, he has missed 58 games.  That's almost 20 games per season or about 25% of each season. Durability a concern? Only time will tell.

Welcome to San Jose Mr. Burns, we'll miss you Seto.  Best of luck to you in your still promising young career that will hopefully continue to blossom in Minnesota (when you're not playing us).

Go Sharks

Poll
Which result/consequence of this trade is the most prevalent/important?
The Sharks acquire #2 D-Man
168 votes
The Sharks lose future potential in Coyle and Setoguchi
21 votes
The Sharks have thinned out on the bottom lines
15 votes
The Sharks nows have Mr. Burns in their lineup. Who will no doubt try to take over the world with nuclear power and ice cold demeanor
73 votes

277 votes | Poll has closed

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Too much cap space and time for worry

I think the 3rd line will get a boost in a couple weeks that will shore up the PK. Plus the addition of a new assistant coach coming… Im loving this trade.

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by sharkblood99 on Jun 25, 2011 2:23 AM PDT reply actions  

The Sharks actually have 8.4mil in cap space not counting White. So if they got White at 3.5, thats still almost 5 to fill out the bottom. The problem however isn’t the cap space, the problem is the ability to get the 3rd line PKing UFAs signed. Why is that a problem? Because the season after next both Burns AND Couture come up for new contracts.

So if the Sharks spend to the cap this season, they are going to need to make sure they have the contract fluidity to be able to resign both of them without relying on the cap increasing even more. Currently the only “expendable” players that will also come up after next year will be Nitty and Mitchell. This means that any 3rd/4th guys they sign are more than likely going to need to be signed to one year deals because those 2 aren’t enough to simply be let go and have enough for both Couture and Burns.

Why are one year deals a problem? Well a UFA is likely going to sign somewhere offering him a multi year deal than a one year. This isn’t a cut n dry rule obviously, but is a propable generality, in that it essentially makes signing those desirable PKing UFAs harder to land simply because cap fluidity needs to remain so that management isn’t pigeonholed into trading someone after next season just to resign people.

Back to Burns, those missed games were due to 2 concussions in 2 years, those are the only red flags outside of contract duration for me. He stayed healthy all last year, and so hopefully his youthful resilience can guard against future concussion. Other than that, we just got an all star defenseman that will likely want to resign with the team since we’re winning compared to the Wild, lol, even moreso if we get to the cup.

by VVhirlwind on Jun 25, 2011 3:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Next season will be the first season under the new NBC TV contract, so we know there will probably be a small bump in the cap, perhaps enough to bring one of Burns/Couture back on its own. $200 million up from ~$70 million has to help somewhere.

by Kazoonole on Jun 25, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

the PK troubles were skewed. Keep in mind that over half of the regular season we didn’t have a number 1 goaltender. The two we did have were never getting playing time enough for the players to make the adjustment to playing with them after being used to Nabby. Then Nichol got hurt and suspended and we relied on him for a lot of pk time so we never really got into a groove on the pk. We have a lot of guys that have proven in the past they can kill penalties at a high level and the mere fact that we have a defined number 1 goaltender will improve that greatly. Yea Coyle showed some promise, but losing a a few 1st rounders for the sharks really isn’t anything to think twice about. We have an organization that is fantastic at developing and drafting. Hell, 2 of our top 6 forwards were a 6th round pick (clowe) and a 7th round pick (pavelski). not to mention demers (a 7th round pick) vlasic (2nd round pick) etc.. Burns is already considered a 1/2 d man in his own end and then if you look up some of his goals on youtube..the dude has better hands and some better offensive skills than some of our top 6 forwards. we made out like bandits especially if he signs long term which seems like a possibility coming to a better team and the fact that he was coached by Todd and Matt and it was the two of them that actually converted him to a D-man in the first place. I would like them to use the extra money to bring back Wellwood and Eager and go after another stay at home D-man. someone reliable but won’t be getting as much. (like bringing Scott Hannan or something).

by dannyschmanny on Jun 28, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The hockey news said this about Burns..
“As good as Burns is, the fact the Wild were willing to part with him indicates they didn’t view him as a commodity they wanted to spend wildly on when he hits unrestricted free agency. There have been the concussion and anxiety issues and while he does show flashes of brilliance, he can be a very up-and-down player who sometimes has trouble processing the game. That likely won’t stop someone in the NHL from offering him Brent Seabrook/Dustin Byfuglien type of money and term, something the Wild were clearly not prepared to pay.”

It also said this…

The moment Mike Babcock learned the San Jose Sharks had acquired defenseman Brent Burns, he instantly got the look of a guy who’s team just let one get away.

His Red Wings are looking for a defenseman to replace the retired Brian Rafalski, but it was the playoff rival Sharks who pried the talented Burns away from the Minnesota Wild in a blockbuster trade.

"They just hit a home run," Babcock said of the Sharks. "That’s a gold medal pick. I’m pissed off."

Babcock figures his team’s chances of getting by the Sharks in the Western Conference playoffs just got that much more difficult and that’s exactly what the Sharks want to hear. They also know their window for challenging for a Stanley Cup is almost as gaping as the hole in their playoff resume."

In hindsight, we prevented Burns from ending up in Detroit. I can SURELY live with THAT…

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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 25, 2011 7:12 AM PDT reply actions  

A-freaking-men.
In hindsight, we prevented Burns from ending up in Detroit. I can SURELY live with THAT…

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by Auth0r on Jun 25, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Detroit wanted him?

After the Sharks, there’s no team I respect more than those Red Wings. If they wanted him, DW gets a grade higher than A+ on this one.

Still sucks to see Seto go. He may have been inconsistent, but he worked his ass off and was pretty emotional (after beating Detroit last year, for example). I hope he does real well in Minnesota.

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by Bockerz on Jun 25, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

AWESOME
“They just hit a home run,” Babcock said of the Sharks. "That’s a gold medal pick. I’m pissed

off.

I’m pretty stoked about that.

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by waive kent huskins on Jun 25, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ken Holland knows more about Hockey than the entire S&B nation community

no offense intended. But if he and other GMs think its a great acquisition and a great deal, then it is (:

I seem to remember every GM was PISSED at the Joe Thornton trade because they offered more for him haha.

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jun 25, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

But at the same time, most people in the business have to be candid. In SB Nation, we do not. Of course if a GM thought a trade was bad he wouldn’t be all “oh man that trade was DICK”. That’s why I usually only take GM’s and coaches comments about moves and stuff with a grain of salt because they usually have to be respectful to others in their profession. Remember what happened to Jeremy Roenick when he tried to be candid on camera? ;)

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by waive kent huskins on Jun 26, 2011 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Luckily, the Bruins didn't care about returns.

They just wanted to bury Jumbo on a terrible team. That’s why I had a hard time rooting for them in the playoffs (until I saw Vancouver play, that is).

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by jwizzle241 on Jun 26, 2011 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry it wasnt holland it was babcock. whatever. still point stands

"I think he just dedicated a Cee Lo Green song to the referee"-Randy Hahn and Drew Remenda on Randy Carlyle yelling at the referee

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jun 26, 2011 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

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