As the offseason drags on, Buffalo's cap situation may be interesting to San Jose
Earlier this month, we brought up the possibility of arbitration rulings bearing fruit for San Jose's picking. Now, more than 75% through the arbitration process, most players have settled without even needing a hearing and Doug Wilson has sat quietly.
Only five players remain on the arbitration docket, and none are very realistic options for the Sharks. Shea Weber of Nashville and Zach Parise of New Jersey are the longest of long shots; only the most brazen rumor mongers will suggest they will be playing elsewhere next year. They won't be, and it's not even worth discussing.
Ryan Callahan of the New York Rangers is a great fit for the Sharks on a need basis (he's a scoring forward who kills penalties with the best of them), but Glen Sather has plenty of cap space to sign his young, emerging forward. That's also likely to be the case across New York with Blake Comeau of the Islanders; he's a good fit, but the Islanders have no real reason to let him go. Jannik Hansen of Vancouver could also be arbitration bound, but there aren't any real stumbling blocks to him getting a deal done with the Canucks.
It looks like the arbitration period may come and go with little to no effect on the Sharks' roster. However, if there is a case where Doug Wilson could work his magic, it may be in a smaller New York city.
The Buffalo Sabres went on a spending bonanza this offseason; the financial muscle of new owner Terry Pegula was flexed to sign Christian Ehrhoff, Ville Leino and others to new, monster-sized deals. Although the spending may represent a mere line item in Pegula's pocket book (whose net worth is above $3 billion according to Forbes, making him the 128th richest US citizen), the team still has the NHL mandated salary cap to deal with.
As it currently stands, the Sabres are $3.595MM over the NHL's $64.3MM salary cap. You may be asking yourself two questions; one, how is that legal, and two, why hasn't someone taken advantage of the situation yet?
First, it's legal. Teams are allowed to exceed the cap by 10% (or $6.34MM) during the offseason, but they must become compliant by September 1st. Second, Buffalo might not be in as much trouble as other teams would be in the same situation, another effect of Pegula's purchase of the franchise.
Pegula's financial well-being means he's able to eat salary if he has to, and most believe that Ales Kotalik will be well aware of that fact come September. Kotalik isn't the worst player on Buffalo's roster, but his $3MM cap hit makes him difficult to carry. The Sabres may follow Calgary's game plan from last year and simply eat Kotalik's contract in sending him to the AHL.
That would put Buffalo pretty close to the cap, close enough that a small move could be made to become compliant, such as moving defenseman Shaone Morrisonn (which has also been discussed). However, assuming this is the road they take may be a bit premature. I mentioned earlier that Ehrhoff received a monster deal, and while his cap hit is a manageable $4MM, he'll be making a gargantuan $10MM in salary next year. That, among other things, puts Buffalo's team salary for the upcoming season to nearly $76MM. For this team to turn a profit for the 2011-2012 season, salary is going to have to be shaved, not just buried.
If that's the route Buffalo chooses to go, teams will be knocking on the door. The team has skill, as a payroll that size would indicate, but they also want to win. No one is going to be had easily, and none of their top shelf, core guys are likely to move. That leaves slim pickings, but if you're Doug Wilson, you probably call about Jochen Hecht.
Jochen Hecht carries a $3MM cap hit, saving the Sabres the same amount as if they were to send Kotalik down; except in this case they'd pocket the cash. Hecht is attractive to San Jose because he fits their need; he's a third-line player with some scoring pop who makes a good chunk of his money on the penalty kill.
Hecht wasn't at his best last year; his goal production dropped from 21 to 12 and his points output fell from 49 to just 29. His effectiveness shorthanded dropped off as well, but he did play a respectable 1.92 minutes/60 shorthanded.
For Buffalo, $3MM is probably too much to pay for that type of player considering their lack of cap space. For San Jose, $3MM is an acceptable amount to pay for that type of player considering their excess cap space. (See what I did there?) The fact that Hecht is an unrestricted free agent after this season helps both teams as well; Buffalo could get something for his services before possibly losing him for nothing after this season, while San Jose loses no space next year, space to help them pay for the raises to Brent Burns and Logan Couture.
Hypothetically, the deal could probably get done for a pick and a possibly a prospect, depending on what round the pick is in. The deal makes sense for both sides, but with the huge caveat that it's only realistic if Buffalo needs to send money out. If they don't, which is most likely the case, then I just wasted a good chunk of my day.
The offseason. What a (horrible) time.
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This offseason has been dreadful as far as news.
Thanks for giving us some more to think of.
It hasnt been bad...
It was just all of our news at once…
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jul 27, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I think trading for Hecht would be a great move assuming we can get him fairly cheap. It’s definitely one of the best realistic move we can hope to make this offseason.
NJ should be a little over the cap after signing Zach Parise too, so I wouldn’t mind seeing us trade for Dainius Zubrus or even Brian Rolston either.
Zubrus has two years left on his deal so I don’t think it’s a good idea for the Sharks to take on $3.4m salary for next season on a guy who’s not really worth his contract.
The Sharks really can’t take on Rolston’s salary this season w/o moving some out, they need to keep cap space open this season in case of injury or if they need to make a trade. Aside from that, he’s just not very good anymore.
Weird i thought there was only 1 year left on Zubrus’ contract. Yeah he’s probably not worth trading for then, even if we can get him for super cheap.
The Sharks really can’t take on Rolston’s salary this season w/o moving some out
Sure we can, we have tons of cap space:
FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Brian Rolston ($5.062m)
Andrew Murray ($0.575m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.540m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.680m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.605m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($3.550m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Jim Vandermeer ($1.000m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
/ Justin Braun ($0.875m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,837,501; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $462,499
Aside from that, he’s just not very good anymore.
His advanced stats say VERY differently…
Since Rolston got traded to the Islanders it doesn’t matter – but advanced stats really don’t tell everything you need to know about a player. You also need to watch them play…Rolston has been going downhill, quickly, for a couple of years.
And, he’s exactly what the the Islanders need, a veteran who’ll help lead a very young team with a really big cap hit.
As far as the cap, as much as the fans want the org. to spend to the cap, I don’t they will – at least not to start the season. It would be a good idea for them to keep a couple million dollars of cap open in case of injury or if the team flounders and they need to make a trade / or if they want to make a trade. I really don’t think they want to play the LTIR game like they did last year.
Evidently, Rolston to the Isles?
Anyone have confirmation of this?
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We should sign Gretzky.
Dammit, why doesn’t the current league have a Gretzky? Stamkos is kinda close though.
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Because the Cubbies drafted him in like the 28th Round
@Logan Couture: Heard Charlie Sheen had an interview I missed tonight, damn! He might be the only person in the world thats #winning more than us right now.
by Brittjames11 on Jul 27, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Gretzky...
Was a one time thing and will never happen again, nothing will ever compare to Gretzky, especially with how good Goalies and Defensemen are now.. Gretzky, was in the era of offense, No one will ever put up 215 pts in a single season ever again…
What if the team is coached by Emilio Estevez?
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 27, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Who cares...
The league doesn’t need a Gretzky…
It needs more Gordie Howe’s
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jul 27, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Buffalo's situation
Reminds me of my NHL11 GM team. I successfully maneuvered through the treturous waters of the capocalypse without too much heartbreak.
But to do it, I had to break out pen and paper and start making my own graphs and what not to strategize and stay under cap.
It was actually really challenging and fun in a really nerdy kind of way. I can only imagine the real deal is like. As always, thanks for the read Matt. Great remedy for my off season sickness.
Defense
Buffalo have a log jam at D and still need to sign Gragnani. Along w/ Kotalik, I think they will try to move Morrison before moving one of their forwards.
There’s still teams that need to hit the cap floor so it wouldn’t surprise me if they trade both of those guys for late round picks / future considerations.
That’s the likeliest scenario, in my opinion.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 27, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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$3 Million for Hecht seems a little steep.
If on the third line, his point production probably doesn’t get back up to his usual 40-50 point level. So to me the Sharks are paying $3 million for a decent penalty killer who can chip in 30 points, seems a bit high.
On the other hand, looking at the bottom 6 depth, the Sharks could use a bit more NHL experience and versatility, something Hecht can provide. I think the short term (1 year) can make this trade palatable if the price is right. There are certainly worse options out there.
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They're also paying 3 million for what's basically a depth, rental player...
I’m fine with that, especially if we could even get him next year for cheaper than he’s currently being paid.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jul 27, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The fact that Hecht is an unrestricted free agent after this season helps both teams as well; Buffalo could get something for his services before possibly losing him for nothing after this season, while San Jose loses no space next year, space to help them pay for the raises to Brent Burns and Logan Couture.
This, to me, is still the most ideal scenario. We sign or acquire someone (not necessarily Hecht, but that type of player for sure), for a one year contract. It can even be a bad contract, as long as it’s only the one year, and our Cap Space is saved for the future cornerstones of our offense and defense respectively.
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It can even be a bad contract, as long as it’s only the one year
Agree, agree, agree.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
while San Jose loses no space next year, space to help them pay for the raises to Brent Burns and Logan Couture
It can even be a bad contract, as long as it’s only the one year
Doesn’t this give some credence to the idea that Sharks should spend as near to the cap as possible to obtain maximum talent in a 1 year go for it blitz?
With Burns, Couture and a few others playing well below their contract value, the Sharks really have some advantageous contracts on the books.
Ensuring their ability to handle raises next year, the Sharks shouldn’t make offers beyond 1 year (unless they are 2way deals). With $6-7mil in cap space, SJ could sign two or three more guys all in the $2-4M range: another defender, scoring pop from the 3rd line and some PK…
Thoughts?
In an ideal world this is definitely the route I would like to see them take. Once you get into the trading game however, different factors enter into play— compensation for said player’s services, teams who are constrained by payroll, finding guys on one year deals who are worth the price you will pay etc.
If anything, they are well suited to make some splashes at the Deadline. I don’t want them to wait that long of course, but it’s just another tool in the toolbox when teams are trying to move pieces for futures.
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With most of the creme de la creme signed though
I think most of this opportunity has passed us by. We can’t SIGN the Eric Belangers of the world because someone else already has. Plus, part of what seemed to get those signed was term beyond the one season.
But as you said, it puts us in a good position to acquire expiring contracts from teams looking to rebuild. Unfortunately, I think other teams will probably sit on those assets until the trading deadline, trying to maximize what they get out of them.
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Rolston...
He’s a UFA to be as well. At the deadline or during the season IF he shows he has some game left.
May not be a bad pickup. Decent PKer, too.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 27, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
That's an intriguing possibility
His decline is troubling, but he does seem like the kind of risk worth taking. But, I suppose if you’re getting him, might as well get Hecht.
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Doesn’t this give some credence to the idea that Sharks should spend as near to the cap as possible to obtain maximum talent in a 1 year go for it blitz?
On a theoretical level yes. On a practical level when you’re dealing with money in the real world, no. I don’t think the Sharks are going to spend to the cap this year even in 1 year deals, simply because the Heatley trade speaks to me of an internal cap, since there were no followup move after that to fill the cap gap that the Heatley trade added to.
Remember that last year the Sharks were near the cap, and the organization was in the red for 3-4 million. It doesn’t seem to me that the organization would be willing to up that decifit to a potential 7-8 million (potential meaning with no additional growth of revenue from the last season’s performance) simply to fill out the roster with what would be considered overpaid players that aren’t exteremely large upgrades over some lesser paid players.
As fans we may be fine with Wallin/Huskins-like deals when they don’t impede the cap and possible roster moves down the line, but as owners that dead weight adds up very quickly when the economy behaves the way it is now and revenues can’t keep pace with salaries.
Well let’s just sit back and relax. Doug must have something planned under his sleeve.
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by ChangoT on Jul 27, 2011 10:28 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'd love to see Hecht play in San Jose.
Mainly because his name is just ripe for puns.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 27, 2011 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
What the Hecht are you talking about? You must be Jochen with me.
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by Mr. Plank on Jul 27, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Boy, the Sharks’ off-season has sure been Hecht-ic.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 27, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
With Pegula’s spending habits, I’d guess they’d rather bury Kotalik and keep the more useful player.
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Rangers signed Callahan today, as you predicted.
Do people still have their fingers crossed for Chimera? What’s the situation with that, seeing as the Capitals are in a similar position to the Sabres. Or have they already become cap compliant?
The Caps are just gonna put Poti on LTIR and be fine. Their trade was Fehr to the Peg.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 27, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just didn’t think that trade freed up enough space for them. Booo.
by Bearodactyls on Jul 27, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It should be mentioned that Pommenville is likely to start the season on LTIR.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Thanks!
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 27, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
We can add one more
To the population of Pommenville
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by ElvisVF101 on Jul 27, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There have been conflicting reports but he had a achilles injury in April and that’s usually 5-7 months out.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
For the terms of this argument though, doesn’t affect much. Sabres won’t accrue cap space with LTIR, and they will still need to be compliant when he comes back. Just means decision doesn’t need to be made immediately.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll also continue my stance of being cross with any Sabres fan who wants to trade him because he literally plays in every forward position at any situation. He’s the Swiss army knife of hockey players… even if half the goals he scores are from behind the net.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Only, he would be the German army knife...
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus, these Puck Daddy lists of the top 30 players in each forward position are freaking TERRIBLE…
How is Ryane Clowe not a top 30 left winger?? Sean Bergenheim is #25 but Clowe isn’t even on the list?!?!
I was happy with how high up Patty was though.
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by ElvisVF101 on Jul 27, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also
Daniel Sedin is #2, so, take that as you will…
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Or do it so promptly!!!!
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......
….WHAT?
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by SharkMonster on Jul 28, 2011 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Eastery Bunny and Tooth Fairy are also not-real, though Freddy Krueger is, believe it or not.
I bet you’ll sleep easier knowing that.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 28, 2011 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Your parents had sex
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7th best Defenseman in the league. Ohh baby!!!
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The defensive list is even more crap.
To quote McClure from SCH:
Alex Pietrangelo, Tyler Myers, Erik Johnson, and Andrei Markov rated ahead of Brent Seabrook and Ryan Suter. Asinine.
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I hate to defend the list (it really is poorly constructed) but,
(Rankings are based solely on players’ projected performances in 2011-12. Players are listed at their official position when the rankings were created.)
Though I do agree with your above assessment.
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I’m pretty sure that guy is just trollin the internetz..
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How about this guy?
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I actually really like Clarkson.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 29, 2011 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 30, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
lol wtf Eklund
However…Remember the Devils source I was talking with yesterday?
He told me that besides the Sharks, the Devils are going to push as hard if not harder than anyone to get Doughty…
How does he just throw something in like that?? lol
HAHA, riiiight.
The Devils are gonna do that with what money? For that matter… What money are WE gonna do that with? I know we’ve got capspace, but not go-get-Doughty capspace.
I think this is just another of Eklund’s “This guy is friends with a guy on that team, so he’s going there” fantasies. He seems to have a big thing for bromances.
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C'MON 3%!!! Let this be the one! haha
Even though this is not happening, I would love that move if only for the shitstorm that would start at BoC. hahaha
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We’ll obtain Doughty for the sole purpose of tributing him for a better monster, solely to spite our enemy, ze Kings.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 29, 2011 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions
You look like a tard if you do that in actual tournaments.
But then, so do the baseball-hat-and-sunglasses douchebags that attend. They blow all their expendable income on cards and think they’re poker stars.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 29, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Can’t read my poker face
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 29, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Sabres fan here
I think a Hecht trade would be mutually beneficial and this post really hit the nail on the head analytically. (As a side note, the ch is soft in Hecht. So the correct pronunciation is more like Hesht.). Jochen is a good third line player. In fact, he might be one of Lindy Ruff’s favorites – the lead by example, play sound defense, and chip in a goal every once in a while. His contract is really the best reason to trade him, quite honestly. There are those of us over at DBTB who dream of acquiring another center after clearing some cap room. Not necessarily sold at Leino at Center. The Sabres have a maddening habit of taking players who really aren’t natural centers and forcing them to play center. With Connolly leaving, the problem becomes more acute.
If the NHL puts another team in Toronto, does it hurt or help you guys?
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 29, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
It would hurt us. The Sabres get a lot of Canadian traffic because it’s still a bargain compared to the Leafs ticket prices, even when the Sabres inflate the prices for the Canadiens and Leafs games. The Leafs can charge those prices because of the demand and the relative wealth of the population and corporate suites etc. etc. There are a ton of Leafs fans who cannot afford their games at all. They would be natural constituents of the new team.
Ironically, the NHL will never let another Toronto team come into being because the Leafs don’t want to compete, but I don’t think the Leafs would have to worry. The Leafs are basically the Red Sox of the NHL. Their support is wide and deep. The Sabres would definitely see a decrease in attendance. That would be more worrisome before the ownership change, but maybe not now.
I just want to see live hockey. XD
But Toronto sucks so much. Even the Marlies games are overpriced; I could go to a Panthers or Blue Jackets game for less than the Marlies. It sucks. XD
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 29, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Come down to Buffalo. The people are friendly, the beer is cheap and plentiful, and the tickets are reasonably priced. There is live hockey. The game presentation is okay. It’s at least better than the game presentation here in Washington, which is completely lame. I wish I had a better way to describe it, it’s just lame. It’s like hockey is sort of a glorified monster truck pull. The whole “rock the red” gets really tiresome. Beyond that it’s just “Isn’t Alex Ovechkin awesome?” Again, I’m not doing it justice.
I guess I’m one of the few people who is hoping that Wilson just waits for a bit for that “next piece”. Yes, there is a good amount of space left to fill up, but the FA’s are all gone now. Why not just wait a bit until the season starts, and then make a move then?
That’s moot if a great deal comes up, of course. But I don’t think prices take a hike in the regular season, do they?
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I'm actually not too worried.
I wouldn’t mind Ferriero/McGinn on the 3rd line to start the year. At least long enough to see what we’ve got with them this year. But I do still think we’ll need another quality forward for the playoff run.
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I'm at this point myself
Finding a 3rd line forward kind of seems like the sort of trade deadline move a lot of teams look for. Hell of a lot better/easier to do than trading for a top 4 D-man like the Sharks have done multiple times.
Of course, if I’m going to dream, it’s that Phoenix sucks and falls out of the race early and we can grab Doan for 3 months and not pay an arm and a leg.
That forward still needs to be added
I just don’t think there’s any rush in doing so. If the right opportunity arises before the season starts, so be it. But if it doesn’t, I just don’t think Wilson has to force the issue.
And we’re assuming that the thing this team needs is a forward. Assumptions are nice, but only until they play do we really see what exactly needs help. You never know who in this organization is going to step up. Maybe this season, instead of having a promising young D-man shine, maybe it’ll be a forward. Obviously, that’s unlikely… but the team as it is isn’t half bad. There’s no need to pull the trigger if there’s nothing to shoot for.
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True.
And maybe Braun and Vandermeer don’t work out and we need the cap space for a forward & a defenseman.
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At this point...
I"m inclined to agree. Its not a terrible idea to get the kids some work. And there’s literally no one out there. Although, if the Sharks struggle early, I’d hope Wilson doesn’t wait as long to fix it. Having to claw back in it for 1/2 the season takes a lot out of a team.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 29, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
How about this Idea
Doug brings in a few Vet players for a try-out, and see’s how the young kids respond to the pressure.
Go Big or Go Home
by ChangoT on Jul 29, 2011 10:12 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
No.....lan
can be one of those Vets. Is the offseason done yet?
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by DiscoSemenov on Jul 30, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Quite frankly...
What difference is this one extra addition going to make? If its there take it, but frankly only the second guessers would ever say a guy like Hecht would have been the difference in the playoffs. No matter what we all have to remember this is hockey and the best team isn’t always going to win a series in May or June. Best thing is to put the key pieces in place and just trust your secondary pieces will produce enough to win. There are no more key pieces out there at the moment, maybe one becomes available at the trade deadline. But no team in their right mind is already giving up on this season and moving a key piece for less than 95% value. To worry about the last penalty killer is kind of crazy, you aren’t going to lose very often just for lacking that sort of player.
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Man this is a tough time of the year, especially with DW making his moves early. I for one can’t wait to see Brent Burns in a Shark jersey. Can’t wait to get training camp started.

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