Alex Semin, Eric Fehr, and Jason Chimera Potential Trade Targets for San Jose Sharks
by Mr. Plank on Jul 7, 2011 10:14 AM PDT
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PrintIn the summer of 2009 the San Jose Sharks were pressed up against the salary cap's upper limit with nary a penny to spare. After signing power forward Ryane Clowe to a four year contract, defenseman Kent Huskins to a two year deal, spunky center Scott Nichol to a one year contract, winger Jed Ortmeyer to a one year deal, and soon to be Captain Rob Blake to a one year contract, pieces had to be moved in order to clear space for the impending acquisition of a notable ex-Shark.
On August 28, 2009 Christian Ehrhoff and Brad Lukowich were traded to the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for prospects Patrick White and Daniel Rahimi. It was a poor return at face value of course, but one that was required in order for the Sharks to put the requisite pieces into place for the acquisition of winger Dany Heatley.
It is precisely the situation the Washington Capitals find themselves in today.
After a busy summer filled with the additions of Troy Brouwer, Tomas Vokoun, Roman Hamrlik, and Joel Ward, Washington finds themselves $1.8 MM over the salary cap today, with fourteen forwards, seven defenseman, and two goaltenders on the current roster. Although some slight cap relief can be gained by demoting forwards Jay Beagle and/or D.J. King to their AHL affiliate in Hershey, those contracts will not be enough to clear enough room to ice a legal NHL roster once the summer's 10% overage allowance is removed before the 2011-2012 season.
With a situation like that in full swing (spending more than you can afford in our nation's capital-- sounds familiar), it's safe to say the Sharks may be circling.
And as we see it, there are three players who may be ripe for the picking in Washington.
- Alex Semin, the talented winger who has goal scoring pop and would immediately be slotted into the Sharks top six.
- Eric Fehr, the 25 year old former first round pick who, after a breakout season in 09-10, found himself putting up a rather pedestrian 20 points and 12:35 of ice time in 2010-2011.
- Jason Chimera, the speedy third line winger who has made a name for himself in the PK department over the course of his 10 year career and would mesh in well on a checking line with Michal Handzus.
Of course Semin is the biggest reach in this department as his $6.7 MM contract and elite goal scoring talent will attest to. Forwards like that don't come cheap, especially with Washington only needing to move lower tiered salary to clear enough cap space. That hasn't stopped The Winnipeg Press from dipping their toes into the rumor mill however, as an article posted by Ed Tait on July 5, 2011 named the Sharks as a club who has looked into the situation:
The Washington Capitals are said to be shopping Alex Semin with Montreal, Nashville, Toronto, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and San Jose, all said to be interested in the right-winger, who has 166 goals in the last five years.
Acquiring Semin would immediately transform the Sharks top six into the best group in the League-- alongside Thornton and Marleau, Semin's scoring output would be entirely similar to the success he had playing with Alex Ovechkin and Nicklas Backstrom in Washington. With a non-rookie year low of 26 goals mashed in between 38, 34, 40, and 28 goal campaigns, Semin's ability to find the twine is undeniable.
However, the issues with any potential deal of this nature is the cost and likelihood of it occurring. As we mentioned before, Washington is in no need to move his $6.7 MM contract this offseason in order to become cap compliant. Furthermore, with the organization's Stanley Cup window wide open, futures and prospects are extremely unlikely to get the job done in the event of a transaction. A talented roster player would have to be sent to Washington in exchange for Semin's services, something that San Jose will want to avoid considering Semin's impending UFA status.
With re-signing Brent Burns and Logan Couture next offseason a huge priority for the team, grabbing another impending UFA who would almost certainly be a rental player doesn't seem like a wise move if a player like Ryane Clowe or Joe Pavelski would be headed the other way. It's hard to envision how the deal gets done otherwise at this stage in the summer, and taking that into consideration, the "Semin to SJ" scene seems to be a little rich for the Sharks liking.
Where things really get interesting is when Eric Fehr and Jason Chimera are brought up.
Chimera is a 32 year old left winger who has had a quietly successful ten year career as a third line role player. He has some good wheels, weighs in at 6'2 216 pounds, and was a standout penalty killing forward in Columbus where he logged roughly two minutes per game shorthanded. After being traded to the Washington Capitals at the midway point of the 09-10 campaign, Chimera's PK numbers dropped to 0:34 and 0:51 respectively in his two years with the Caps for whatever reason. However, considering his historical body of work, it's fair to assume that Chimera would be able to come in and contribute on a Sharks PK that was ranked 24th in the League last season.
Furthermore, while Chimera would be expected to play in a third line checking role with Michal Handzus and Torrey Mitchell, Chimera has some fairly good hands for a role player. He has averaged about fifteen goals in every season of his career and puts up around 30 points per season. Furthermore, as Doug from DOH mentioned last week, the Sharks were connected to Chimera during the aforementioned summer of 2009 when Christian Ehrhoff was looking to be moved. There looks like there has been an interest in the player over the course of the last three seasons-- as we have seen with the acquisitions of Martin Havlat, Brent Buns, Niclas Wallin, Ian White, and Michal Handzus over the last two years, past interest has played a big part in San Jose's trade and free agent transactions.
Chimera has a cap hit of $1.875 MM and will be an unrestricted free agent next season. A third line comprised of Handzus, Chimera, and Mitchell would give the Sharks a nice group of defensive responsible forwards with really good speed on the wings, something that is a positive asset to have on a checking line.
Eric Fehr is another possibility for the Sharks to look for when attempting to wrangle some forwards from a cap-strapped Washington team. The 25 year old forward had a breakout campaign in 09-10, potting 21 goals and 39 points to go along with his +18, but struggled once again with injuries last season and ended up seeing his role reduced in the nation's capital.
In 2009-2010 Fehr was money for the Capitals at even strength, finishing third on the team for goals for per 60 minutes at 5v5 (behind Ovechkin and Semin) and fourth on the team in points when adjusted for ice time. Furthermore, his +/- per 60 minutes ended up fifth on the team that year as well, showing that he was able to not just score but keep the puck out of the net as well. However, much like Chimera, it should be noted that Fehr's quality of competition numbers have been quite low over the course of his career-- he's not playing the toughs nor is he tasked with shutting down opposing team's top forwards.
Furthermore, the former first round draft pick has been saddled with numerous upper body injuries, missing 99 games of action with shoulder, rib, and back ailments over the course of his 5 year professional career. Despite all of the talent he's a definite injury risk to the organization, something that could make him less attractive to any potential suitors. Fehr's skating ability is also not one of his strong suits-- on a line with Michal Handzus San Jose's third forward group would be chugging along at a fairly lethargic pace, something that we have highlighted as a weakness amongst the Sharks forward group over the last three years.
Fehr has one year remaining on a deal that has a cap hit of $2.2 MM per year. He will be a RFA next offseason.
All in all, a trade for Semin seems the most unlikely out of this bunch-- Washington is in win-now mode, doesn't need to clear that much salary, and would need a roster player in return for his services. With either Clowe or Pavelski the likely cost of acquiring such a prominent goal scorer, and unrestricted free agency looming for Semin next year, it's not in the team's best interest to mortgage the future when they have dipped into the cupboard so often over the past few seasons already.
Chimera and Fehr are two players who should require something along the lines of mid-tiered draft picks and/or prospects to acquire. Both are role players in Washington at this point in time and, with the Caps in cap trouble, GMGM's ability to get a positive return for them is quite limited.
Washington still needs to sign defenseman Karl Alzner to a contract this season. Look for a roster dump to occur when that shoe is about to fall.
Alex Semin Likely Cost: Joe Pavelski or Ryane Clowe, with picks potentially changing hands.
Eric Fehr: 2nd/3rd round draft pick and/or a mid-tiered prospect who projects to be a role player in the NHL.
Jason Chimera: 3rd/4th round draft pick and/or a mid-tiered prospect who projects to be a role player in the NHL.
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Semin is NOT worth it
Classically mercurial winger. If people are glad Dany Heatley is gone, there’s no reason to get Alex Semin, ESPECIALLY for the likely price of Pavelski or Clowe. They may not put up the goals, but they play in the playoffs.
Fehr and Chimera on the other hand, I would be unopposed to.
I hope Chimera’s “demotion” on the PK is not due to injury. Otherwise, he sounds pretty ideal for what we’re looking for. He has size, is good in his own zone, can continue to ease the PK burden on Marleau and Pavelski, and has decent scoring pop from a checking line role.
The team, as it stands now, is young enough in my eyes that Fehr’s age is not the same attractive aspect it would be in most cases. Combined with the injury record, and the skating issues, Chimera is simply more attractive option in my eyes.
I’m reasonably happy parting with a draft pick if it would secure Chimera. While Washington is over a barrel in terms of the cap, sweetening the pot by offering a pick rather than the kinds of scraps we got for Ehrhoff might entice them to deal with us as opposed to someone within their conference.
Also, NO SEMIN!
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by ElvisVF101 on Jul 7, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Semin gets a bad rap...
He’s definitely streaky in the goal scoring department, but he’s also very, very solid defensively. The last couple of years he averaged about a minute per game shorthanded, and 3 seasons ago, he had a high of 1:31 per game of shorthanded time. Never been below a +22 in any of the last 3 seasons. He’s pretty quick. Oh, yeah, AND HE CAN SCORE!
Having watched numerous Capitals games, yes, Semin can be frusterating. But there’s also times when he goes into Super-Semin mode and can just take on the whole team and score at will. He’s a much more complete player than Heatley ever was (even though I think Heatley’s defensive shortcomings are vastly overstated), and would make us super, super dangerous.
However, I wouldn’t give up Clowe or Pavelski for him. If there was some other way to get him, though, I’d be 100% in love with the move.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I know he gets a bad rap
And you do definitely follow the Caps more closely than I do, but my own observations of Semin, limited as they are, lead me to believe he plays when he wants. We need less of that on the team.
I’m with you on the team needing more scoring, but I’d like to see some of that coming from lower lines. With Heatley gone, Patty really is the only premier scorer on the roster, but paired with Thornton, Havlat could at least score at Setoguchi type numbers. Pavelski is a luxury as a third line center, but he should be playing top 6 minutes, and Clowe and Couture are a SIGNIFICANT upgrade in linemates for him.
So with two scoring lines, I’m much happier acquiring checking scorers like Chimera. This way, the third line can still provide scoring (albeit at a reduced pace) while strengthening our goal prevention.
Thoughts on Chimera, as you’ve probably seen him play more than most of us? And is Fehr worth the risk?
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When Fehr is healthy, he’s actually a pretty solid goal scorer. He could definitely fit in on our top 6 and pot in 20-25 goals for the season. But that’s the point, isn’t it? IF he’s healthy. I doubt I trust his health enough…and word right now is that his surgically repaired shoulder won’t be ready for the start of the season. So, at this point, no thanks.
I’m not a Chimera fan. I think he’s fine at what he does (PK, speed…actually, he seems a lot like Mitchell). If he could hit the broadside of a barn with his shot, he’d be much more valuable (again, a lot like Mitchell). I just think we need more scoring…and adding Chimera would not do that at all. But I appear to be in the minority here (in believing we need more scoring). I mean, he’d be an ok pickup…but I’m not sure he makes us any more or less of a contender than we already are. And if that’s the case…why make the move?
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Does Chimera at least go to the net?
Pavelski’s line seemed to be most effective when all three went to the net and cleaned up the garbage.
Chimera, in principle, seems like a good pickup because we’d have a legitimate checking line, something I don’t think we’ve had in at least 4 years. It worked for that pretend team that plays in that stupid arena near Disneyland…
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I just don’t see why we can’t have more than 2 scoring lines. Why do we have to have a line devoted to not scoring?
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Until Malhotra's injury
Vancouver basically had a true checking line that could score, and it let the Sedins have something ridiculous like 60% offensive zone starts. It freed up Kesler too.
It can be argued that one line devoted to keeping the puck out of our zone helps the top two be better.
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Well, yeah, if they can actually score some. I’d be skeptical that a Chimera-Handzus-Mitchell line could ever score more than 20 goals between them.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
My CAPS experience
I have been living in DC for 2 years now and a great friend with season tickets took me to many games.
I have to say that none of the three options look good to me. Semin < Heatley. Fehr = liability and Chimera is …well, “eh.”
I loved the comment about Chimera not being able to hit the back side of a barn. Honestly the most appealing thing out of all three candidates is Chimera’s speed, which I dont necessarily think giving up anything we have now is worth it.
Semin is a great goal scorer, when one of his two personalities shows up. However, he is even better at getting hooking penalties than anything else.
Well, part of the point of the article is that only Semin would take a roster asset, the others would be obtainable through middling prospects or lower picks simply because the Caps need to clear space.
But I appear to be in the minority here (in believing we need more scoring).
Havlat → Seto
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Pavelski → Heatley
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Brent Burns
Seems like goal scoring is covered enough that I’d be okay with prefer shoring up the 3rd line with a traditional defensive forward like a Chimera. Especially considering if the Sharks were to acquire another top 6 talent, that’d just leave Pavs on the 3rd line with Handzus and Mitchell, squandering him in effect.
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ESPECIALLY for the likely price of Pavelski or Clowe. They may not put up the goals, but they play in the playoffs.
Well, Pavelski only really shows up for the first round of the playoffs.
I would trade Pavs for Semin if Semin were signed for longer. But with only a year left, that would significantly shorten the window of opportunity for this team. Clowe just has too good of a contract to really trade for anything but elite guys.
I wasn’t a fan of the Handzus signing, and I don’t really see much value in Chimera or Fehr. BUT I LIKS TEH GOALZ!
He was a bit sluggish the previous season
But even then, his contract was reasonable. If he was overpaid, it was a Kent Huskins situation where he was only overpaid by about $500K.
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True. Huskins was more glaring though because he didnt do as much, and we had very limited cap space for bottom end players...
hence the woosta shuttle…
but, I feel 3.8 for what Clowe is, even then, was awesome for futures.
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Doug Wilson Trades Self to Minnesota
In yet another stunning announcement, San Jose Sharks General Manager Doug Wilson stated that his latest strategic move was to send none other than himself to The Minnesota Wild Organization, thus following wingmen Devin Setoguchi and Dany Heatley whom he had traded for Bent Burns and Martin Havlat respectively, earlier this week. Wilson said: “I was just thinking yesterday how much I would miss them. Finally, I decided that since I’m sending my best players over there, I might as well go myself.” He was exchanged for Brent Flahr, the Assistant General Manager in minnesota plus an unnamed developmental administrator. As per policy, details fo the exchange were not disclosed.
Both The Sharks’ and The Wilds’ management seem pleased with the deal. According to Wild GM Chuck Fletcehr: “We’re looking forward to working with Doug. We know he’ll bring his intelligent foresight and big-picture thinking to our organization.” Over in San Jose, Head Coach Todd McClellan said: “Doug has been so good for us, but it’s time we moved in a new direction. He made the right decision for us.”
Fan reaction is mixed. Bill in Sunnyvale, CA summed it up: “We’ll miss him, sure. He’s done so much for The Sharks. Still, the past week has been an emotional roller coaster. I’m kind of relieved that’s over.” Meanwhile , Laura in St.Paul, MN had this to say: “At first I was real sad to see Havlat go, but now we’re getting Wilson. I’m so psyched!”
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by ChangoT on Jul 7, 2011 10:46 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
At the very least, we still have to resign Ferriero then.
Still waiting on that.
But I still think we’re going to get one more role player for the bottom 6.
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yeah, maybe
it appears he’s thinking of resigning couture and burns. 1-2 more bottom six guys would be welcome, IMO.
we are going through withdrawal, perhaps, now that we don’t have a “top 7-8” forward group, but perhaps it’s better this way—easier to match up against other teams, and will lead to less of a “power versus whatever” mindset.
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The problem is, if that was the case, then there was zero need to trade Heatley for cap space, since he’s probably going to have a rebound year with the time for his injuries to heal more, since even with the injuries he put up more points and goals than Havlat.
The only way the Heatley deal makes sense is if some other move was in the works and that extra 2.5 was needed. Otherwise the deal would have gone for Havlat + picks or something instead of just 1 for 1.
i agree and disagree. i definitely think he is done with trades. with the extra cap i think he’ll go after another 2 or two 3rd/4th forwards. thinking maybe bring wellwood back on the cheap if we can and then someone like a John Madden. Gritty Vet with cup experience that is good with faceoffs.
by dannyschmanny on Jul 7, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Semin... hmmm
I think getting Semin is a pipe-dream, but you never know with DW. At first, I didn’t like the idea of acquiring him. He is susceptible to injuries, and is a downgrade from Heatley at less than 1 million cheaper. Then the more I thought about it, the more I thought Semin might actually be a good fit. He is in a 1 year contract, so this would be another contract year for the winger to play as well as he could to get paid. Basically, he is a rental- which in some ways is a good thing for a player with an injury history and a team looking to win the cup right away.
I think the problem here is that I am still looking for a move that makes me OK with the Heatley trade. I want a Top 6 forward, who can impact the game and be a game-changer. I think Havlat is a great addition, but we can’t forget what we gave up. Acquiring Semin is that impact response I think a lot (or few) of us want to see following the Heatley trade. I’m starting to think that’s not going to happen though. I think we need to start looking at the Heatley trade as a straight up deal.
I’m really torn on the Semin idea… but honestly, I don’t think Washington trades him. They are all-in for a Cup run, and giving up Semin is giving up a potential 40-50 goal scorer from your top line. You know, like the guy we traded to Minnesota.
Chimera is the most likely, and I think Fehr isn’t even an option. We don’t need a slow lower line winger susceptible to injuries for 2.2. Keep Fehr away.
Semin is a VERY expensive rental
As much as I dislike the Heatley trade, we’re better off in terms of pure cap space. We’d have to gut the roster to acquire Semin. And this after we effectively HAVE a top 6 that’s in the upper echelon of the league pretty much locked up except for Couture.
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IF we have to give up Clowe or Pavelski. If we do, then this is a no-go for sure. I don’t have a beat on the Caps- but would they give up Semin cap reasons alone? Do we know at all what they would want back? Do they have players who can fill his spot, like we had Pavelski available for the Top 6. Like I said, I don’t think Washington gives him up, but who knows. If someone could pull this off, it would be DW. DW did take his big risk with Heater though, not sure he does it again here.
They're over the cap
But only by a Mil or two I think. Semin is FAR too valuable to give up. He’s part of their core.
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They’re over the cap by about 2 mil right now. But, they also still have to resign Karl Alzner…who will take about 3 mil. So, the definitely need to clear some real cap space.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Also talk of Poti going on LTIR
Though with things like that, I don’t know, I figure it’s pretty speculative at this point and not something they can bank on. But I would think that somehow they’re most likely to drop some weight from the defense, rather than their forward corps.
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Poti off the roster will help...
It will also help if Fehr is on LTIR to begin the season as well. But I think they’d still have to make one more move to fit everyone in (including Alzner…who they HAVE TO resign).
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt GMGM feels he is in a position that he’d want anyone aside from the top 6 in return for Semin. Them and the guys that DW just acquired (don’t tell that to Seto though). Who else? Torrey Mitchell and Jamie McGinn aren’t gonna do it.
If McPhee is gonna dangle Semin as trade bait, he almost certainly can pry a better return from another team than in dealing with the Sharks. If unloading Chimera’s $1.875M is enough to solve their cap issues, then why deal Semin to SJ when they can likely get NHL-ready talent, prospects, and picks elsewhere in return?
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Another thought, would Washington really want to trade Semin to one of the best teams in the West and a potential threat to their Stanley Cup hopes?
Better than within the conference
A conference they haven’t gotten out of yet.
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Do not want Semin either
If for nothing but the price it would take to acquire him.
I’ve always thought Chimera was a solid player. Seems to be fairly durable as well, playing north of 60 games most of his career. Adding him to the 3rd line would be great just to add to the overall team speed (quick 2-on-1 breakouts with Mitchell on 3rd/PK? Chimera’s SOG totals show he isn’t afraid to shoot either, even if they don’t go in very much).
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See here we'd need Sabin
not Semin
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by DownRUpLYB on Jul 7, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
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by Old Kentucky Shark on Jul 7, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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I'd be all for acquiring semin
but not at the price
Maybe if we three way deal or something but i just can’t see it working without giving up clowe or pavs
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by operation carrot on Jul 7, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions
Non on-ice reason
I just don’t think I could take listening to Dan Rusanowsky correctly pronouncing “Semin” for a whole season. Kudos to him for getting it right though, but it’d be grating.
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by DownRUpLYB on Jul 7, 2011 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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by ElvisVF101 on Jul 7, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a huge JoePa fan...
I would only like to see us get Semin so the Barracuda shirts at the tank will say “Semin Burns.”
by ilooklikeafat16 on Jul 7, 2011 11:58 AM PDT reply actions
battleofcali would explode if we got semin
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by operation carrot on Jul 7, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions
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by SharksFanTillDeath on Jul 7, 2011 12:09 PM PDT reply actions
I'm going to say no to Semin. Trying so hard to not make a joke here.
In fact, that’s half the reason I don’t want him. Patrick Marleau would NEVER STOP GIGGLING!
Actually, Semin sounds a lot like Marleau: a two-way, streaky scorer who, when on, is an unstoppable force, but can also be frustratingly off as well.
Chimera, however, sounds like a good option.
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That sounds like an add promoting abstinence:
“Say no to Semin.”
by Briceratops on Jul 7, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by jwizzle241 on Jul 7, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yaaaaaaaaay!
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by PNK on Jul 7, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Echoing what others have said
Semin gets my “no” vote as well. Chimera, maybe.
by sharksfanwithajd on Jul 7, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
Doug has no more Trade Bait
Unless he wants to let Clowe or Pavelski go, but that would be the worst move.
Mitchell, Nittymaki, McGinn, rookies what other players on this roster can u see the Sharks get rid of and still be fine without?
The UFA field is getting smaller and smaller after each day.
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by ChangoT on Jul 7, 2011 12:38 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah
and who’s going to want Mitchell? Of those four options, Nittymaki is probably our best trade bait, followed by McGinn and the rookies. The problem is, who can we get in exchange for the leftover pieces. Unless, we can trade for picks to free up some cap space (hint hint the resigning of Greiss portends trading Nitty methinks).
by sharksfanwithajd on Jul 7, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
It depends on what the trade is for.
No, the Sharks don’t have the expendable parts to trade for Semin, likely.
However, if the goal is a third-line player, those can likely be had for some combination of McGinn, Ferriero’s rights (which is likely why he isn’t signed yet, in case he’s needed to sweeten a deal), AHL players, and/or picks.
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I thought it was...
You trick him into a stupid penalty and then score.
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Saying "no"
usually does that
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McGrattan?
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Better than Perry.
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If we go after Semin, we'll be the next Philadelphia Flyers.
Dumping one bad salary, and then getting one right back.
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Maybe the Flyers will go after him
You never know. Doubt Washington would trade him to another contender in the East.
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That's not the point, lol.
I meant to say, we just got rid of a huge cap hit, and we’d we getting one right back.
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Semin isn't a bad salary...
He’s slightly overpaid, but only for the year. Then its off the books.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
overpaid is overpaid…
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everyone in the NHL is overpaid
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by syc on Jul 7, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Everyone in Football and Baseball is over paid. Atleast the NHL doesn’t have 25 million/year contracts…
Scratch that...
Alex Rodriguez makes 32 mil a year… LOL
have you been watching what people are singing for this off season? Over paying for talent is the norm now.
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by syc on Jul 7, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
These people play sports for a living, they are all over paid! Oh I know, I know… but they could suffer a career ending injury, then what?!?!?
I’m a school teacher, I’ll never make $10 million in my entire lifetime, let alone in a year… I try rrrrrrreally hard not to look at salaries/wages in the sports and entertainment industries.
It's not about the career threatening injury
It’s that they contribute to an entity that MAKES that much in a year. And in the end, they receive a portion of it.
My mother is a teacher, and I know teachers definitely don’t make enough, but I have no issue with professional athletes being paid what they are.
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Ed Jovanoski has 15 mill to make in the next 4 years...and he was washed up 5 5 years ago.
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by syc on Jul 7, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Management signed a contract
It’s what it took to get him to sign. Capitalism at it’s somethingest.
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82 games for NHL vs 162 for baseball take Jumbo Joe's contract and re work it for 162 games and tell me what you get
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by syc on Jul 7, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
not really cuz a 4th line guy playing 6 minutes a game does not take that much out of you. But neither does a backup player in baseball who gets to play twice a week.
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by syc on Jul 7, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree its really semantics cuz the NHL couldn't play 16 str8 games with out a day off.....but for the sake of proving that the other guy above is wrong. IF the NHL went to a 162 game season then you see guys like Brad Richards Making 20 mill a year
A 4 game weekend series with the same team would be cool to see in the NHL if just for once.
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by syc on Jul 7, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Baseball is a pitchers duel, hence why teams have like 20 pitchers on their team. They can play 16 straight games because the only one doing really serious physical work is the pitcher.
I’m not saying that athleticism isn’t needed in players, obviously it is for the spring and speed to move from your position to the ball etc etc, but the field players have 1 burst of activity then they wait, hitters swing and run.
No one in baseball even comes close to the level of activity of hockey players except the pitcher, but as said, they don’t start the same pitcher for multiple games in a row.
Baseball has higher salary because they play more games to a wider audience with higher attendance levels at stadiums simply because of the way the game is built.
Their stadiums are built to seat 40000 people in the stands because the game field is larger, and there isn’t really a need for people to see every detail because the game is centrally focused on the batters box.
They have large TV contracts because of the number of games they play and the frequency of the play, so they get good revenue from that, combined with the national interest in the sport.
Hockey is limited in those departments, because of the speed and physical contact of the game, not only does that mean less games played, but every instant of the game is important.
In baseball, you could get up from your seat, go get a beer and some food, and come back and maybe 2-3 batters have gone through, maybe a couple guys on base, or if lucky a home run.
In hockey, you get up and a goal could be scored while you were gone. Maybe 2, etc.
Because of this detail and where each moment of the game can potentially matter, it is more important for everyone in the arena to actually be able to see the action. It isn’t like in baseball where people can bring binoculars and have a decent time in the field seats for the atmosphere of the game. You miss too much in hockey for some long distance view thing to work.
Thus arenas can’t really house the sheer volume of fans. MLB has the same number of home games as hockey does. Imagine getting twice the number of people attending a game now, and its relatively easy to see the high income of the team.
MLB combines that with the high profile TV exposure and that is why you see high salaries in baseball, because it is a national brand and selling more on the tv rights than anything else.
MLB players performance don’t justify their salaries, but they’re paid that much because they’re TV marketing figureheads. You want the high profile guy on your team not because he’s going to carry you to a world series, but because he gets the fans and the ratings.
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by PNK on Jul 8, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not Tomas Vokoun.
fuckl.
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Seems like overpayment
Depending on the pick/prospect.
Also, the trade doesn’t do much for Washington, as they only save about $500K in cap space. And, as has been said, we’d still need a third liner.
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Seems like a lateral move.
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Mitchell is still reasonably young
And we have the cap space to absorb the $2.2M he’d cost. With the market thinning out on legit 3rd liners, I think we are better served hanging on to Mitchell for the moment.
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Well that’s what I think…..
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by ChangoT on Jul 7, 2011 1:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't blame him.
Even Ovechkin was less-than-stellar last year.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 7, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Because Zherdev is overrated
And Samsonov is old
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Overrated, but for 2mil would be plenty worth it if he repeats last year’s numbers alone in a full season.
16-6-22 and the laziest, worst backchecker ever? (That may be an exaggeration)
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Samsonov is 32, young enough for the teams needs and expecting 10-15 isnt out of the question with a huge upside possible.
by Montyburnz!...1 on Jul 8, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Zherdev can still deliver a 20 goal season. And Samsonov is 32.
1 or 2 year contract would still work.
Talk about bad contracts...
James Wisniewski to Columbus for 6 years @ $33,000,000? That is awful! What will Brett Burns want, $7,000,000 per year? Yikes!
Couture
And we’ll need to sign Logan as well. Nitty and Torrey Mitchell come off the books, so perhaps that’s enough to get him done? I hope both get signed during the year and not after. Logan will get an offer sheet for sure and Burns’ agent is tough and will have offers in FA. Better to pay him now I think.
Doughty and Stamkos haven't gotten offer sheets
What makes you think Couture will get one?
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Because someone can offer sheet Logan for the range of losing their 1st, 2nd and 3rd and expect it to get accepted, where Doughty and Stamkos are clearly in the range of the 2x firsts and maybe even in Stamkos’ case the 4x first range.
We have too much cap space right now for that to be of any concern. If they offer in that range DW will match in a heartbeat.
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I think yandle's contract will be a good comparison for Burns...
5 years, 5.25 a year.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
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Yandle was an RFA looking for his first big contract. Burns will be an UFA and will be looking for his second bigger contract. I think $5.25 is too low. I bet he shoots for Boyle money or FA. DW may have to overpay to avoid losing him in FA.
Yeah, no. Yandle’s an RFA. If that was the sort of deal Burns was looking for, he’d still be on the Wild.
Yandle’s also a better player…
We will see.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not a single factor decision process, though.
The thing that videogames, free agency trackers, and trade/signing/buyout calculators can’t really address is that players have emotions and non-hockey needs. And they can decide they want an unreasonable amount of money, love a city, have to have the Cup, can’t stand where they are, or need to find a place their kids will be happy living.
Just because one guy got more than his market value doesn’t permanently raise market value for everyone and doesn’t mean that guys are going to have to go for market value. Wisniewski got himself paid and good for him, but market value is probably more what Ehrhoff/Yandle/Bieksa/Kaberle/Pitkanen (all in the 4-5 million range for cap hit) signed to than what Wisniewski did.
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Author said it well.
Wis was overpaid by a team that desperately needed that top 2 guy to round out the team, and was the best available choice after Pit was signed. They simply couldn’t afford to let him go somewhere else and also likely needed to get up to the cap floor.
Burns is going to get a bump in the range of Yandle/Kaberle/Bieska/etc, and will accept it because he knows he’ll have that solid money on an exceptional team, compared to getting maybe an extra mil from some team where he’d be the #1 and have to carry the team.
He already was the scapegoat for the Wild’s failures because he was that top guy for them, and after he spends the full year in San Jose where he’s just another one of the top guys instead of THE guy, he’ll probably want to come back to that atmosphere even if it takes a “hometown discount” as many like to call it.
Don’t forget that most of the players want to win and be in an atmosphere that is fun to play in. Of course they want to get paid, but they want to win and have fun too. Theres a reason why Heatley turned down the Oilers as a trade option, and why we couldn’t get high profile FAs to sign before the Thornton era (after Thornton, our FA issues were more a tight wallet than anything).
Players take discounts or turn down the higher offers to play where they think they’ll win all the time (look at Jagr as a most recent example, Brad Richards too. he still got bank, but LA was reportedly the highest bidder but he still took NY).
This is why DW will leave significant cap space free...
He will want to get Burns re-upped as early as possible. Waiting until next offseason will only jack up the price as he will have a monster season with a team that doesn’t suck on his resume.
Chimera for picks/prospects is the only realistic deal that makes any sense here, and if it could be pulled off . Signing Zherdev isn’t a bad idea either.
I wouldn’t touch Semin’s contract with a 10-foot pole. High salary wingers are like hockey heroin: ecstasy at times that will ultimately ruin your life and kill your future.
He doesn’t have to wait til the offseason to sign extensions, look at Niemi, his extension game with 30+ games left i think in alst year’s season. DW doesn’t have to leave the cap space free, he can do more cap dumping deals like he did with Ehrhoff, or get guys on 1 year deals so that he isn’t pigeonholed into those trades etc.
Makes little sense to just leave the cap space free only to have it clear for next year. Either it is a ownership move wanting to not spend to the cap (they were in the red with the Sharks last year), DW planning a move that needed the space, or something. But just leaving it there for future possibilities makes no sense for the win now mentality the Sharks have.
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So what do you think the chances are any of these players get a offer from Doug to come back to play in San Jose
Mike Grier, Steve Bernier, Scott Hannan, Kyle Wellwood, Owen Nolan, Jonathan Cheechoo
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by ChangoT on Jul 7, 2011 2:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Outside of Wellwood, 0%
Also, outside of Wellwood, and maybe Hannan at the right price, none of those guys would be worth bringing back to San Jose.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't Cheechoo do well in Worcester?
I’m not saying bring him back to be a top-6, multi-million dollar contract guy or anything. I saw enough to know he’s never going to score 20 goals again, let alone 50.
But a 3rd or 4th liner for a million? Might be worth taking a small risk there to see if there’s gas left in the tank.
He did very well early...
But by the midpoint, he didn’t look any better than most AHL players. You’d expect a player like him to dominate the AHL if you’re thinking of bringing him back to the NHL…and he did not.
And he’s still super, super slow.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And had/has a bruised kidney.
Which made him even slower.
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You bring Cheechoo up if he has a 50+ goal scoring year in the AHL. Those numbers translate to 20+ in the NHL. He barely got 18 goals in 55 games. He’s too slow for the NHL for anything other than 3rd line roleplaying areas, but he doesn’t fill any roles other than scoring, which he can’t do anymore in the faster shotblocking focused NHL.
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by HeatersLeadingLady on Jul 7, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
No way we see Cheech or Nolan in teal again. They had their chance, they weren't impressive enough in their tryouts.
Wellwood is still a possibility, but I doubt it, otherwise we would have signed him already.
Hannan could be interesting, but I think management want to give Braun a shot, and Hannan would block him from playing.
Bernier, I don’t really know. I don’t know how much DW liked him if he traded him away and I think he might want more than we’d be willing to pay for him, but we do have cap space.
Grier could be a nice 4th line piece and is probably most likely, but I still wouldn’t count on it. I think we need a 3rd liner, unless the plan is to have Ferriero in that slot.
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Wellwood has best chance, Bernier could fit IMO
I like Wellwood’s intelligence on the ice and ability to make open ice and put the puck in unbelievable places but i think DW has little to do with another guy that refuses to shoot the puck. That being said, I still like Wellwood and think he complements a skilled sniper.
Bernier also has some assets valuable to the team in my opinion, he brings energy, size and grit plus he can score. I liked him a lot as a Shark, it just depends on what direction DW wants to go with his bottom 6. Does he want a physical defensive bottom six with scoring threat like the Sharks teams a few years back or does he want to roll four offensively minded lines? Wellwood fits into the latter but not the former, Bernier could fit into both.
One thing is for sure, i can’t wait to see his next move and we all know he is up to something or he wouldn’t have moved Heatly.
wellwood is too small if the sharks are really going for a checking line. nolan is too old(i hate to say it). cheech is a scorer that can’t score sharks need more role players. i would love hannan but with jim vandermeer in the picture i can’t see hannan playing. grier might be to old/slow. and bernier was a cunuck, fuck that.
So what do you think the chances are any of these players get a offer from Doug to come back to play in San Jose
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by Evilducks on Jul 7, 2011 2:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We should just call him up!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Why all the hate for Scott Hanan?
He’s decent! :P
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by PNK on Jul 7, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
The Vader one is much more comical because that movie was a piece of poo and I still hate Hayden Christensen.
I hated all the prequels. Revenge of the Sith was the best of them, but that’s like saying it’s the best turd sandwich. I still don’t want to take a bite…
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by PNK on Jul 8, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sergei Kostitsyn
Keep an eye on Nashville. might be a good one year steal.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 7, 2011 3:33 PM PDT reply actions
He's just a cheaper Semin
Even more mercurial, and really only delivered in a contract year.
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sign him 5 mil 1 year.
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5 million????
He made 816k each of the last three seasons, and until this season had not cracked the 23 point barrier.
2 mil, max. But I think he’d be useful enough should he be deemed a free agent.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha That wasn't serious. Just messing around.
Because he would be cheaper than Semin, and in a contract year. Therefore, problem solved. (hilarious, right!)
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someone on tumblr was talking about a rumor
(that was apparently caused by trolls) of Pavelski going in exchange for Semin.
They were emphatic in stating that it was a dumb internet troll rumor so I don’t know why I’m writing this, but I don’t want more stupid trades plz dw thanks
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Jul 7, 2011 3:34 PM PDT reply actions
MORE stupid trades?
That would imply that he’s already made some shitty trades.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 7, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
She's a Seto fan
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i didn't necessarily mean stupid SHARKS trades
gotta remember I’m also a Celtics fan. I hope Burns helps us win but I do believe it was a rotten move for Seto :(
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Jul 7, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure how reliable this is, but...
San Jose Sharks sign Ben Guite.
New 4th line winger? Or AHL depth move?
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Guite was with the Avs for a while, and then I lost track of him. Probably an AHLer at this point I think.
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He played something like 6 games in the NHL last season, the rest in the AHL. Year before that I think he spent like 50 games up in the NHL. And year before that he played like 76 and scored 22 points, but I don’t know what kind of TOI he was seeing when he did that. As a 4th liner that wouldn’t be bad.
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by PNK on Jul 7, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Looked into
22 points in 07-08 with an Avg. TOI of 13:04. Hasn’t done dick since.
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by PNK on Jul 7, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Push all those stats back a year
he didn’t even play in the NHL last year it looks like. I was just looking at the most recent year and assuming it was 2010-11. Looks like it was 09-10
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by PNK on Jul 7, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it is reliable. When I looked him up on the NHL’s site, it has him listed as on SJ.
He had a couple decent seasons with the Avs but then played 6 games with the preds and was demoted to the AHL….for an unknown reason……….yet he’s 32. I don’t quite understand this move. Maybe the typical “we need a vet for the 4th to help the rooks along”.
Dunno, you’d think there would have been better options for the 4th line that will field a good amount of our youth than a middle aged low end guy.
I think Ben Guite was signed to play in the AHL and be a mentor to some of our younger guys. He could always be called up as an injury replacement though assuming he’s healthy.
Here’s a good article from The Cannon telling you everything you need to know about Guite: http://www.jacketscannon.com/2011/6/23/2238889/should-he-stay-or-should-he-go-ben-guite
He sounds like a great pickup for Worcester considering the guys over at The Cannon were pretty unanimous in wanting him resigned, even though he never even played a single NHL game for the Blue Jackets.
I would agree.
Probably an AHLer with the possibility of being a healthy scratch or injury replacement. Think Dwight Helminen.
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Eh...
Russian players in general are REALLY streaky. I don’t trust a player like Semin to perform well on an elite club like San Jose. Someone like Jason Chimera though? YES PLEASE. I mean, seriously, how many other players in the league look like this?:
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 7, 2011 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Cool picture of Douglas Murray
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Makes him look quite a bit more feeble than usual, I admit, but gets points for artistry.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 7, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Hells yeah!
SIGN CHIMAIRA!!!
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by sharkblood99 on Jul 7, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
About the only thing I'd go for trading for Semin is prospects and picks...
We’d then be at the cap, and have to resign Semin. Burns. AND Couture… but it would be a ridiculously dangerous team….
that… would never happen but… crazy to think about.
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Whenever I think of Chimera, I just think of the super deadly virus from Mission Impossible 2…
super badass…
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Man there’s a lot of Semin hate. He’s a little on/off but when he’s ‘on’ he’s ridiculous. Overall though he’s still a really great player; but i still wouldn’t give up Pavs or Clowe for him lol.
Neither Fehr or Chimera excite me very much. I don’t think either player is really worth trading for. If the Caps want to give them to us for future considerations or something then that’s fine, but i don’t think either of them is worth giving up assets for.
At this point i’m most interested in Sergei Kostitsyn if he does indeed become a UFA. From what i hear he doesn’t have the greatest work ethic but he does have a lot of PK experience from when he was with Montreal and he’s got loads of offensive talent. I could see Sergei seriously dominating against weaker competition on our 3rd line.
He’s a little on/off but when he’s ‘on’ he’s ridiculous. Overall though he’s still a really great player;
Are you talking about Dany Heatley?
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No I don’t think Dany Heatley is really an on/off guy. I just think injuries have broken his ‘on’ switch, so now he’s pretty much just off; which is why i’m happy with the Havlat trade.
That sentence describes almost all our team.
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Yeah, that’s basically the only thing they said about Mayers in that video. The rest of the time they were praising Beauchemin.
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Scroll up a bit.
Had a good year a couple years back, then sort of disappeared. Didn’t play at all last year.
AHL signing with the potential to be a 4th liner seemed to be the concensus view.
Hey, I liked Orty!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 7, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, so did I!
Which is why I’m not too bummed…decent PKer w/ size who can fill-in on the 4th line and provide energy. Hopefully it’s a cheap contract. :-)
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 7, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
But seriously, he's probably going to be in legitimate competition for a 4th line spot.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 7, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
God, I hope not.
Couldn’t crack the lineup in Columbus. Columbus sucks.
Sharks official website still has Kuskins on the roster.
Let’s trade Boyle for Huskins.
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by PNK on Jul 8, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ferriero is an option or Mashinter
Ferriero is most likely to be that guy I mean if you’ve seen the guy play he’s not bad at all He did really good with Couture and Clowe, and he’s had success with Couture. Also the guy can really play with Thornton too!!! him and Joe were awesome together I think it’s most likely Handzus will feed him the puck or he would either shoot it or feed Mitchel with it. Also he’s great in front of the net and he’s also known as one of San Jose’s better skater’s it saves money for Couture and it builds a future Shark and slo saves money for Burns
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Jarome Iginla ($7.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.680m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.575m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.540m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Brent Burns ($3.550m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Jason Demers ($1.250m) / Jim Vandermeer ($1.000m)
/ Mike Moore ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.587m)
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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,395,001; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $904,999
see what we do is trade Niitty for Iginla. They need goaltending help so they have to say yes! amirite?
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by sharkblood99 on Jul 7, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the finals...
Im glad he turned out, but the pick could have easliy been someone like Mikkelson or even Pelech. Cheers to the scouts!
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by sharkblood99 on Jul 8, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this is maybe the best, and most realistic roster we can ice next season:
FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Sergei Kostitsyn ($2.500m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Antti Miettinen ($2.200m)
Andrew Desjardins ($0.540m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.680m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($3.550m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Jim Vandermeer ($1.000m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
/ Justin Braun ($0.875m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,295,001; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,004,999
Hmm it sounds like he might have actually gone to the KHL. In that case, i wouldn’t mind picking up Jason Chimera for a 4th round pick or something to play on our 3rd line.
Mittens is gone
I’m still bummed.
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Additionally, offer sheeting quality players that are on teams with wide cap space and are moderately successful (meaning unlikely that their team is way in the red and have a self imposed cap) is a waste of time unless it is vast overpayment.
You can dream about Kostitsyn, but Nashville will match that in a second.
SJ is out of trade chips, so outside of FA the only possible people that we could get would be from cap strapped teams that need to shed space for picks from us, hence the whole point of the initial article. The only teams that meet that requirement are Washington and maybe Buffalo (300 to the cap and still need a 2nd goalie, but they have extras they can AHL for space so thats a maybe).
Why do you think there hasn’t been a single offer sheet from any team this season?
Not that I want or care about Kostitsyn but he could be a UFA after the grievance is heard today.
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He could add some scoring pop to our 3rd line and he can help kill penalties as well (which makes him an upgrade over wellwood imo).
Unfortunately, I believe he signed with Nashville today
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Just say no!
To Semin, he’s always injured and has yet to play a complete season. If you want to kill the chemistry on the Sharks, he’s your man!
Ferriero is officially resigned
1 year, 605k
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Yep. Dunno bout others, but as the days go by, seems to me less and less likely that the ownership green lighted a move to the cap, and more and more that the Heatley deal was one meant to get under a 60 mil ownership cap.
Come on DW! Prove me wrong with a nice 2 mil Zherdev signing!
Not the end of the world. The Sharks currently have the 7th highest payroll. For example Detroit’s got over $7 million in cap space right now, and all they need is a backup goalie. Chicago has $7 million with two spots left. No need to blow money on an overpriced non-contributor just because the cap space is there.
More insight on Semin, Fehr, & Chimera from a Caps fan
Semin – Sasha is an enigma. When he is on he can take over a game. Bruce Boudreau has made comments along the lines that Semin can be better than Ovechkin … when he tries. Maybe that was just to light a fire under Semin, but it isn’t far off the truth. His defense improved a lot this season and is underrated. Caps fans joke / wince about whether “Good Sasha” or “Bad Sasha” will show up on any given night, you just have to ride the wave. Also, an “Alex Semin Hat Trick” is a goal, an assist, and a bad stick penalty. I can’t see the Caps letting him go this season, given the “win now” structure of the roster. That said, I’m fairly sure the Caps would trade Semin for Pavelski in a heartbeat.
Fehr – His shoulders are a definite question mark at this point and he seems to always be in Boudreau’s doghouse. That said, F16 might produce more if moved up a line, has been a good soldier for the team, and (I think) is usually a strong presence on the ice. He also had two goals in the Winter Classic, which speaks well to his ability to perform on a big stage (or at least outdoors). I don’t think GMGM wants to let him go, but he may be forced to given his cap hit, although he might also go to LTIR if his shoulders aren’t ready.
Chimera – Great wheels, stone hands. He’s been an absolutely solid 3rd liner, with the above-mentioned PK ability. His cap hit isn’t bad, but with the pick-ups of Brower & Ward, I’m not sure Chimmer fits anymore. He’s probably the easiest of the three to trade.
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Chimera – Great wheels, stone hands. He’s been an absolutely solid 3rd liner, with the above-mentioned PK ability.
What I’ve been hearing most from people who watch the Capitals is that the frustration with Chimera is the lack of real offensive upside because he doesn’t have a particularly good shot.
Given all the high end scoring in Washington (Ovechkin, Semin, Backstrom, Green, et al), was there really a need for Chimera to be putting up 15-20 a season? And in terms of post-season play, did you find that his scoring, or lack thereof, in the second season was a problem at all?
I ask that specific question because it would SEEM that, on a general level, the Sharks and Capitals are structured the same way.
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There was a need for Chimera to be able to finish. After trading for Arnott, Chimera was often on the same line as the rookie C Marcus Johansson and veteran Marco Sturm on the other wing. That was a great speed line. I felt that, however, while Johansson was able to quickly bring the puck into the offensive zone, even though Chimera was able to keep pace for a pass, he was not able to capitalize often enough with a shot on goal.
Granted, Chimmer had 2 playoff GWG against the Rangers, but I think that was more exception than rule. And since the Caps 3rd line will likely be centered by Brooks Laich who is solid but not as proven an offensive creator (Johansson going up to the second line with Semin), Chimera probably should be replaced if that 3rd line is going to have an honest offensive threat to it.
Of course, with Ovechkin, Semin, Backstrom, Green, et al., the 3rd line shouldn’t have to produce as much, in theory. This coming season, if Laich takes more d-zone draws, that frees up Backstrom to be more present in the o-zone (he had to take more d-zone draws than team probably preferred last year), which makes Ovechkin better as well.
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Like the Sharks
The Caps remind me of San Jose in that they’re loaded with talent yet they continually underachieve.
Fehr traded to Winnipeg
don’t have to worry about him ending up here now. hope he enjoys the snow.
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If the Sharks do get Chimera for a draft pick...
Marleau – Thornton – Havlat
Clowe – Couture – Pavelski
Mitchell/McGinn – Handzus – Chimera
McLaren/Mashinter – Desjardins – McGinn/Mitchell/Ferriero
(the 4th line mixes up a lot)
Murray – Boyle
Vlasic -Burns
Demers – Vandermeer
Braun
Niemi
Niitymaki
Greiss/Stalock
Random thought:
Former Blue Jackets have always done well as Sharks.
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No, 'cuz I want the Blue Jackets to last the decade. XD
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by Evil Stanchion on Jul 10, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
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