Sharks Third Line Deficiencies Are No Pressing Matter
With the dog days of August upon us, the majority of organizations across the NHL are sitting on their assets and waiting for training camp to begin before reassessing their needs. This next month may be a slow and arduous journey for many hockey fans but the ineffectual days of debating James Shepard trades will soon disappear-- when hockey is finally here and this new look Sharks team finally hits the ice, everyone will be better off for it.
Although the Delta Force approach to trade negotiations employed by Sharks General Manager Doug Wilson makes it hard to predict future moves with any degree of confidence, barring another phone call from Chuck Fletcher, it looks likely that the Sharks will enter camp with the same roster they have in place today. As we covered earlier this month, that means forwards like Jamie McGinn and Torrey Mitchell will likely be counted on to have big years on the third line. Andrew Murray and James Shepard will push for NHL jobs. Furthermore, young players such as Tommy Wingels, Benn Ferriero, John McCarthy, Frazer McLaren, and Andrew Desjardins will all get a fair shot in camp, with Desjardins practically a shoe in for the fourth line center role.
Others will also receive a chance to impress; much like Ferriero in 2009-2010, don't rule out a previously unheralded player making it to the final day of cuts or even beyond. Extending a camp tryout to a veteran player like the organization did in 2009 with Manny Malhotra is also an option that could be pursued later this summer.
Last season the Sharks started the year with a very similar type of opportunity for young players, producing mixed to below average results. Tommy Wingels, Jamie McGinn, Frazer McLaren, and John McCarthy all played in at least one of the team's first two games in Sweden; Brandon Mashinter saw time with the big club in late December and mid-January, and Benn Ferriero logged 33 games in between stints with Worcester. However, this rotating cast of players was unable to make a discernible impact on games and became the recipient of declining ice time numbers. Doug Wilson responded to these inadequacies, a six game losing streak, and an inconsistent first half by acquiring Ben Eager and Kyle Wellwood in two separate transactions on January 18th.
In essence, the third and fourth lines didn't have much of an impact on games and the ice time allocated to the top six forwards ended up as the second highest in the Western Conference playoff picture. Ipso facto, shouldn't San Jose be aggressively pursuing a third line forward right now in order to put the best roster in place to start the season?
Not quite. And here's why.
Unlike last season, the Sharks have a wealth of depth on the blueline. The acquisitions of Brent Burns, Colin White, and Jim Vandermeer give San Jose one of the deepest and most well-rounded units in the entire League. Coupled with another year of Antti Niemi and the availability of Justin Braun, San Jose should have no issues playing a tight defensive game from the beginning of the season. That strength should allow the third and fourth line to have a better opportunity to grab more ice time than they did last season, learn on the fly, and develop their skills in a sheltered environment.
Most importantly, the blueline will mask that lack of lower line depth during the initial months of the season, allowing McLellan and the front office to better understand which players are part of the long-term plan and will be roster players come spring.
The Sharks top six forward group is one of the best in the League, more so with Joe Pavelski replacing Devin Setoguchi in a full-time role. Pavelski, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Logan Couture, Ryane Clowe, and Martin Havlat can go up against tough competition and end up in the black, giving the Sharks a wide array of high minutes players who McLellan should be comfortable with in every game situation.
When the NHL Trade Deadline comes knocking the Sharks won't have to be in the running for the high value high priced players that require an arm and a leg to acquire. With over $4.0 MM in cap space they could definitely go that route if they so desire, but a pressing need for a top-six forward won't be there barring any severe injuries to the current group.
Top six? Check. Goaltending? Check. Blueline? No Czechs, but a big check nonetheless. All that remains is a third line role player, something that comes relatively cheap towards the middle of the season when sellers across the League look to restock their cupboards with prospects and picks. And as history shows us, those guys can be acquired fairly cheaply towards the end of the year:
*Term left on contract in parentheses; Prospects are indicated with a "P".
While not an exhaustive list by any stretch of the imagination, this does give some indication as to what it cost teams last season to acquire a third or fourth line player in preparation for the stretch run. Everything here indicates you're looking at a mid-tier draft selection and maybe a prospect tossed in for good measure. Outside of the Washington Capitals trade for Jason Arnott, the price being paid for players is consistent with their market value.
Centers and defenseman cost the most to acquire via trade due to their importance-- the Sharks look to be good to go on both of those fronts for the time being, especially if Andrew Desjardins delivers on the promise he showed at the end of last year. San Jose does not have picks available in the 3rd and 4th round of the 2012 Entry Draft or the 3rd round of the 2013 NHL Entry Draft, but does posses first and second round selections in both. Along with dangling prospects, these pieces will be more than enough to acquire an impact third liner at any point this year.

Higgins and Lapierre were good additions at minimal cost
A good template to work with is what Vancouver did last year at the deadline. Chris Higgins and Maxim Lapierre were acquired for a third round selections and below average prospects respectively, a worthy price to pay for two players who improved the team's depth up front. Higgins and Lapierre played an instrumental role in Vancouver's run to the Cup Finals, allowing Head Coach Alain Vigneault to trot out a third line that was nasty and had some scoring pop. Targeting pending UFA's should continue to be the modus operandi of the Sharks, and as Mike Gillis' savvy deals showed last season, that UFA status should cause players to go for cheaper than they would if attached to another year on their contracts.

Whether or not San Jose makes a move for a third liner now or later in the season has both upsides and downsides. I like the idea of giving the prospects a chance to make an impact on the team; this allows the Sharks front office to see which players fit in long-term and which players can be moved later in the year for a veteran roster player. With San Jose's organizational forward depth quite weak compared to the rest of the NHL, finding what pieces fit best on the team is a good forward looking policy to employ.
The downside to this is that San Jose may dig themselves into a hole like they did last season-- judging by the vast improvements on the blueline and strength of their top six however, this seems unlikely. Furthermore, when one considers the minimal cost of acquiring third line forwards, seeing how things play out until December isn't an especially risky move. Doug Wilson has stated before that one thing he took away from last season was that he waited too long to make a move-- he answered that self-critique this offseason by immensely improving the blueline and mixing up the forward group. If San Jose struggles out of the gate again, he will have a much itchier trigger finger than he did last year.
Another important factor in all of this is cap space. San Jose has roughly $4.0 MM in space right now depending on who makes the team out of camp. Due to the fact that the NHL pro-rates salaries on a daily basis, that cap space will translate into $8.0 MM by the midpoint of next season. Flexibility is key in the modern NHL, and San Jose has that in spades.
There is no doubt that San Jose should be on the lookout for any opportunities to improve their third line at some point this season. It is the one weakness the team has and needs to be addressed before the playoffs begin. But with the relatively low cost of acquiring third line wingers, veteran camp tryout invitations still a possibility, and opportunity for homegrown prospects to make the team out of camp to fill a role the team is looking for, there's nothing here that indicates the Sharks need to go out and get a third line winger now in order to be competitive in October.
Whether that move comes today* or in February, San Jose has plenty of options left to get even better before the 2012 NHL Playoffs begin.
*Considering I just threw down a 1600+ word dissertation on the subject I'm betting it does.
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I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 10, 2011 3:10 AM PDT reply actions
This one's gonna last all season I think...
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by SeanCrosby87 on Aug 10, 2011 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions
This article's discussion
is going to be full of guys who are not a member of the Sharks Organization.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
Or maybe more likely
we burn it out in a week…
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I really hope McGinn has a break out year...
Kid has so much potential…like Torrey Mitchell.
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by DrewRemendaRogaine on Aug 10, 2011 3:11 AM PDT reply actions
I’m with you on that one. I hope he earns a spot on the third like and doesn’t disappoint.
by a408life on Aug 10, 2011 6:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
except for the torrey mitchell part.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 10, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta love those 3am articles
I agree that at some point you’ve gotta find out what you have in your young players. In previous years, the Sharks weren’t top heavy enough in the top 6 and on Defense to accommodate an extended “tryout” period for the young players.
This year hopefully they will be able to play the young guys and not have to worry about dropping too many games because of it.
I’m most curious to see how the PK minutes shake out, and just how much ice time they’ll take away from Thornton/Marleau and give to guys like Couture/Mitchell/Desjardins/McGinn.
Not to be overly optomistic
But I think the anticipated McGinn/Handzus/Mitchell line could be a possible sleeper group A la the clowture pairing, or the Hella line. The line will be responsible defensively with Zues & Mitchell. But it will also have energy, and legitimate scoring pop with Mitchell & Ginner adding a ton of speed. While Zues is obviously slower, and less offensively talented than the others, his size, strength, and presence in front of the net will fit nicely.
Like a lot of people here, I’m hoping on Ginner blossoming this season. If he realizes the potential most feel he has, and there’s some chemistry there, this could be a great line.
I actually agree. If the coaching staff can tell McGinn exactly what his role is and what they want from him – and then give him the ice time to show what he can do, I think that line could be successful.
I think his problem over the last couple of seasons is that he wasn’t sure what his role was w/ SJ. He played top 6 minutes (as a scoring forward) and in all situation with the WorSharks, then would come to the NHL and be asked to be a checking guy and I think he had a bit of a hard time adjusting his game. Hopefully the staff has told him what ne needs to work on this off season to get himself ready fo this year.
I’m also expecting Mitchell to have a really good year, he showed that he’s back to “normal” the 2nd half of last season and in the playoffs.
It's better to be optomistic
Pending injuries, we can’t do any worse then last year.
I think with our upgrade in defense like this article says, we have less to worry about. Everyone knowing exactly what we need right now is a good thing and I think it keeps the team ahead of the curve. Besides taking the time to see how our new players fit in and work out (which every team has to go through no matter what). We know for now that it’s all gonna come down to 1 or 2 players in the end. All I know is that I’m gonna be focused on whoever takes that 3rd wing spot, Mitchell and the 4th line all year round over anything else, that’s for sure.
Mr. Plank
Question: Since we’re not sure whether or not the 3rd line will be productive enough this year with so many unknowns, wouldn’t it be prudent to bring back Wellwood for insurance? He is a known commodity and although he may be on the decline, he can still contribute. I like him over McGinn at this point and if he will sign for under $1 million, why not bring him back. Your thoughts?
Not Plank, but: What would the point be?
We know what he brings, and we know it’s insufficient, meaning we’d have to trade for a winger in January anyway. Why not keep the space, run the rookies out for two months and see if one of them can step up. If not, trade for a winger and plan on drafting some forwards next year.
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More insufficient...
Than what we currently have? Perhaps that is why DW has left him dangling in the wind. It’s not a big deal to me whether or not he’s brought back, but I do anticipate a trade or p/u happening before January. We’re really short on RW. But who knows, there may be a player that will rise above the frey and really stand out like Logan did last year.
I’ve always been a big fan of Wellwood, and in our review of his season, it was clear that he did a bang up job with the team. I fully supported signing him this offseason because of those facts.
At this point though, I think it’s fair to say that ship has sailed. He won’t be coming back to San Jose next season— who knows if he will even play in the NHL, although I think any team who signed him would get good value out of what is going to be a bargain contract.
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Mitchell, Handzus, Ginner:
Torrey has been on the cusp ever since his return from his broken ankle. I’m looking for him to net 13-15 goals this year, and have at least 30-35 points. Handzus should be right around the 10 goal mark w/ 30 points and a decent +/-. I do not believe Ginner will prove to be that solid 3rd line forward, but it is possible. An “out of no where” rookie, or an early Feb. transaction will complete this line, netting 5-10 goals and 20 points *(Who ever this may be). Not to completly discount Ginner, but unfortunatly we couldn’t really see what he could do last year, as he was bounced from line to line, playing diff roles in diff situations. I think that’s a set back to a young players game. Maybe with some stabiltity we can see him flourish in 2011-2012 . (I sure hope so…he’s got it in him)…I just don’t think that’s a realistic outlook this season. *But, then again, I’m used to seeing Wallin/Huskins on our back end – providing no support what so ever…We shall see! Best of luck Ginner…It’s your time…GO FOR IT!!!
Not TOO worried...
I think this is McGinn’s year to shine and stay with the big league all season. Him and Mitchell along with Handzus seems like a pretty decent 3rd line to me. I think it’s just the 4th line where we may see some comings and goings.
I think my only SLIGHT worry is the scoring depth. Maybe I’m just too used to having 3 scoring lines when the Hellacopter line was in effect. I think the person who has to really prove himself to me is Martin Havlat… everyone is saying he’s such an upgrade from Heatley but I guess I have to see it to believe it. I didn’t really see it when he was with Minnesota. A lot of goals went away with the Seto and Heater trades. Hoping that doesn’t end up costing us.
But that’s just me.
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Havlat
I think you will be pleasantly suprised!
by will_hunter23 on Aug 10, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m really excited to see him in teal.
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by sharks in oc on Aug 10, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Are we asking or wanting too much winthecupsj?
I know I am.
I’m gonna miss having an extra scoring fwd this year who can easily put up 20 or more. After getting used to seeing Cheecho, Setto or Couture out there with the top six for the past so many years. I’m not gonna be comfortable at all when the season starts. At least until I get used to the new team. Even though every article I read about replacing Setto says it’s unrealistic to get another scorer (after uping our defense) on the team, doesn’t keep me from wishing. I don’t know about McGinn doing anything more then say 12 but it’s better then nothing. And I know that if that at least comes true with Havlat posting at least 26 our defense should make up the rest, but still. I want one of the kids to step up and score 20 this year or trade/sign someone who can. With a Paul Gausted instead of Mitchell. Or have the league commission the sharks to clone Clowe and throw his ass down to the 3rd line.
I actually don’t give a *#@!% if I’m asking for too much.
I don't know
I like the way it sounds to me when I spell it that way. Sounds tougher
I don’t know if I’m really asking for too much… I’m just hoping that the scoring doesn’t falter. Burns can bring 15-20 on the back end… Havlat may score 25. A healthy Heatley will score almost 40 on a Sharks roster and Seto is good for 20+. So I still see a slight drop off but if the PP and PK are stronger than ever, I think it will make up for it. I’m just hoping with all the Havlat hype on here, it proves to be true.
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I see the team
up to 25 goals short from last years total (worst case), depending on how well the 3rd line plays. 15 depending on who gets brought in. So again, nothing to worry about with the better defense but I still prefer more goals during the season. Hard to have both I guess.
Due to the fact that the NHL pro-rates salaries on a daily basis, that cap space will translate into $8.0 MM by the midpoint of next season.
Can someone explain to me how this works? I mean I get the general concept, I just don’t really understand exactly how it all works out.
Otherwise, I completely agree with the article. I think it would be a mistake to not give some of these rookies a chance to break the roster and prove themselves. You never know who may surprise you pleasantly, so it really is to our benefit to let the boys play until there really is a pressing need to acquire someone. My concern still is on the PK. I know Handzus will eat up plenty of minutes, but I’m still not totally confident in our ability to kill off penalties, especially given last years failures. Do you think PK improvement will be facilitated by whichever coach takes over the PK or by a mid-season acquisition?
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 10, 2011 9:47 AM PDT reply actions
Here is a quick and dirty example on how this works:
This hypothetical season has 100 days in it. The salary cap is $10.0 MM, and Team X starts the year with $8.0 MM in salary ($2.0 MM in space). They don’t make any call-ups throughout the year or put anyone on LTIR.
Since salaries are pro-rated, at the 50 day mark (halfway through the season), the current roster has “used” $4.0 MM in cap space and will “use” $4.0 MM more by the time the year ends. They then make a trade for John Doe.
John Doe has a $4.0 MM cap hit. But since the trade comes at the midway mark of the year, the team only will only “owe” him $2.0 MM of that cap hit as the first $2.0 MM has already been paid by his previous team. Doe’s previous team “used” $2.0 MM of his cap hit— Team X is only on the hook for the remaining $2.0 MM.
Review at the midway point of the year: Team X has used $4.0 MM in cap space already. They will use $4.0 MM more during the last fifty days of the season. John Doe costs them $2.0 MM in cap space because he was acquired at the midway point of the year. Even though Doe has a $4.0 MM cap hit in total, the team only has to pay him for the services he provides when he is on the roster. Team X come in at $10.0 MM by the end of the year ($8.0 MM for current roster, $2.0 MM for John Doe) and remain cap compliant.
Hope that helps!
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by Mr. Plank on Aug 10, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
But...
John Doe is not a member of….
just kidding.
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 10, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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So in other words...
SHANE DOAN WILL BE A MEMBER OF THE SHARKS ORGANIZATION COME THE TRADE DEADLINE??
Thanks
this is the first year I’ve been paying close attention during the off-season, and I didn’t understand how this aspect of the cap worked.
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I Disagree
If last years experiment failed, why would this years experiment be any different.
I want to believe the Sharks will be fine next year, but they have too many unproven players expected to fill roles.
McGinn just can’t be counted on anything other than getting a ill timed call, or placed in the Todd’s dog house.
Ferriero, his frame isn’t suited for the 3rd or 4th line
Desjardin, has the size and skill for the 4th line , but can he handle it?
Murray, injury issue, can he perform
Sheppard, injury issue, can he perform
Go Big or Go Home
by ChangoT on Aug 10, 2011 9:53 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Because the defense is stronger by leaps and bounds.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait
I thought the d still sucked…
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in mcginn's defense
both of those hits were pretty weak calls. he still shouldnt have been so ballsy, but thats what part of developing a rookie is all about. you can’t expect a young, inexperienced player to constantly make veteran decisions right off the bat. the more he plays at the NHL level, the smarter the kid will play. just takes time
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 10, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Not only the Play-offs
McGinn has a call almost every game he plays, and I’m not judging him for the two playoff majors calls.
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Statistically untrue.
49 games with 33 penalty minutes (15 penalties total) is NOWHERE NEAR a penalty a game.
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by Auth0r on Aug 10, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
and the games he doesn’t get a call, he sits on the bench. Whats his average ice time he plays, 5min or less?
Go Big or Go Home
His average Time On Ice is 11:35, but feel free to try again.
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by Auth0r on Aug 10, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yes. When will you be giving it to me?
But seriously, you talk a lot of shit about our players without a lot of proof. They’ve got plenty of flaws that can be proved, we don’t need to invent false ones just to bury guys wearing our colors.
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by Auth0r on Aug 10, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
But when he’s off the ice not taking penalties, he’s eating hot dogs and charging them to the team account! And I’m not judging him for that one time in the playoffs he bought the nachos with spare change he found in his duffel.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
After what you and Plank have said about pressbox hotdogs, I’m not sure I blame him.
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But when he’s not eating hotdogs, he’s making insensitve jokes about the mothers of his teammates. Whats his average joke count, 5 or more?
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
But when he’s not being a dick, he’s volunteering for Habitats for Humanity and building houses for underprivelages families here and in developing countries.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
…leading to a housing bubble that systematically destroys the economies of the developing world.
Man. McGinn really is a dick.
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by Mr. Plank on Aug 10, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yeah...
I’m just gonna deposit a rec right here.
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Yep.
Which means I’m free to debate unrealistic claims if they’re made.
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Agree to Disagree
I’m gonna enjoy our time during this Shark season to debate.
Let’s hope for a solid season, but I still think we need more help on the 3rd line.
Go Big or Go Home
Don’t think anyone is arguing that.
However, if you’re going to criticize a player, have your facts straight, if only because people will call you out if you don’t.
Auth0r is right in this case, McGinn didn’t take penalties and he skated 11 a game. If you’re going to dog on the player, mention that he scored 1 goal in 49 GP or check out advanced stats to make your point.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
So, you’re going to continue believing your notions of McGinn based entirely on facts that we’ve demonstrated with evidence to be completely false…
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by Evilducks on Aug 10, 2011 11:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
There ain't no bridges in New York...
Game's over losers, I have all the money. Compare your lives to mine and kill yourselves.
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“It’s a free country” does not excuse your arguments from being picked apart and criticized.
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Given what happened in the previous thread
I feel like this was a little hostile.
There’s been a rather large (and surprising if you ask me) influx of new commenters on FTF and I know we’re all uber wary of trolls, but I think we could stand to be a little more forgiving and welcoming of some of the newer commenters when it comes to countering their arguments.
Not trying to step on anybody’s toes, just my 2 cents.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 11, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. God forbid we bring actual facts into a discussion instead of relying on preconceived notions of reality.
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by Evilducks on Aug 10, 2011 11:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Substituting your own reality is overrated

now we just blow it up
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by Scotty Ace on Aug 12, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your concerns about the third line. It is going to be an experiment, and who knows how it turns out. But with a much improved defense the team should be able to handle any issues to begin the year. Giving prospects a chance to make the team allows the organization to see which ones will be a part of the future and which ones can be moved in a trade. San Jose’s exorbitant amount of cap space allows them to do just about anything later in the year as they will be able to acquire roughly $8.0MM in salary by the midpoint of the year.
Most importantly however, and what is a main point of this article, is that the cost it takes to acquire third/fourth line wingers is quite low. At any point in the season the Sharks can abandon playing young forwards and acquire role players at minimal cost.
I agree that the third/fourth lines need an upgrade, and I expect it will happen sometime this year (or maybe even this summer). But it’s not a pressing need— these types of players are easily acquired, especially if they are UFA’s and the selling team wants to get a modest return before they walk.
Right now, teams are all looking to make the playoffs. Prices are going to be higher. When teams begin to fall out of the playoff picture they look to move players, bringing prices down.
It’s a definite need— I think we are on the same page there. But it’s not a pressing one at this moment in time.
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I'm not sure
if any one has really thought about this. Regardless of where the Sharks stand come trade deadline, we have the cap space to design one of the (if not the) best third line in the NHL. *(With ease). I’m proud of DW, and the way he pieced everthing together this off season.
I do have a question for you though, Plank: (Just an opinion type of question)
Ginner: Ginner was tearing things up offensivly (prior to last season) in the Minors/AHL. Do you think his rep as a “goon” (for lack of a better word) was a direct outcome of his “roll” as a 4th liner in the playoffs last year? Also, do you think this is a set-back to his offensive development? Every one I have spoken with has boasted about his offensive capabilities, but I really havn’t seen that at the NHL level. I just wnated to get your thoughts on this issue if you have some spare time. Thanks
by will_hunter23 on Aug 11, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Man, Plank and TCY have talked a lot about McGinn recently.
Here are a couple of the recent articles where they were talking about McGinn:
http://www.fearthefin.com/2011/6/28/2247678/turns-out-joe-thornton-is-not-a-lousy-babysitter
http://www.fearthefin.com/2011/8/6/2348360/performance-of-young-forwards-crucial-to-sharks-success
Basically, they think he still has a lot of offensive potential but he’s suffered a bit of a set back (possibly a bit due to being miscast by Mclellan as a 4th line grinder) and that this year he should be given the chance to show that he’s more than just a 4th liner.
Thanks Khaaz,
I have already read the articles. I just think it’s too optomistic to think that Ginner will be able to hang as a third liner this year. Kind of like the Alex Smith effect. I guess I feel like he’s a lost cause now (even with his offensive potential). Prob on the chopping block for a trade come Feb.
Also, I do realize this article pointed out the fact that we can give these “up and commers” a good look, given our depth on the Blue Line. Just wanted to see if any one had the same thought process about Gin.
by will_hunter23 on Aug 12, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
McGinn still has the tools, and it wasn’t long ago that McGinn lead the team in Goals per 60 minutes on the ice (2010 season).
Personally i don’t think he’s going to get back to his goal scoring ways while playing alongside Handzus and Mitchell, but either way he isn’t a lost cause. At the very least he’s a solid 4th liner who brings a lot of energy, can skate, play physical, and has the offensive tools to pitch in some goals.
I agree:
A 4th line roll just sounds more fitting for Ginn at this point.
by will_hunter23 on Aug 15, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I also have some questions Mr. Plank
Do you think Mitchell and Ferriero are too undersized for the 3rd and 4th lines? And if they continue to improve and say the Sharks try to trade them do they get traded for less or does it depend?
I know Mitchell is fast and gives a 110% with Ferriero just starting out so I’m just trying to learn more on how the game is played. Cause unless you can really pass or score, I don’t see all the upside to having players 5’11 and below on the bottom lines… What are the major factors? Or do most players have to work their way up the lines regardless?
too pessimistic I think
Sharks have had a year to at least improve on last years experiment. Everyone’s a year older, stronger and our D should also do better in protecting and helping. I don’t think DW has a choice otherwise if he wants to continue to keep the team a top 4 contender. There’s so many young unproven fwds, you can’t just throw them away or let them get old in the Worch. He’s taking a gamble on Shepp and I see Murray more as ins. If we want these kids to produce more and or get something more or someone better for them we gotta let em play.
I understand your concerns, but don't understand your argument
Essentially, you’re saying “It didn’t happen in the past, so it’s not going to happen now!” So, can I go ahead an assume that we’re not going to win the Stanley Cup ever.. because we haven’t won in the past? Obviously there are plenty of questions about “untested players”, but how do you know if you’re right or now without testing them? And that’s the case for every team in the league.
McGinn is energetic. I think both of the calls during the playoffs were a result of him being excited and trying to show himself off a little too much. He doesn’t get consistent ice time, and in attempting to make an impact (pun intended), he may have gone too far. Then again, I don’t think he should’ve been tossed out for the Glass hit… but that’s neither here nor there.
Ferriero showed potential a few years ago. And this is the San Jose Sharks we’re talking about… the 3rd line by no means has to be a checking line with more offense than the 4th.
Desjardin and Sheppard are likely unknowns IMO. And honestly, I just see Murray as a filler option. He’s there if necessary… but I’m assuming he spends more time in Worcester than in SJ.
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as i’ve been saying all along. please just bring wellwood back. you can get him for practically nothing, he locked in the thirdline big time when he came in..put him on a 3rd line with handzus and mitchell. that way you can have Desjardins and Mcginn locked in on the 4th line with another younger guy trying to earn that extra spot. or if needed can get a vet in there with them for cheap.
Why bring back Wellwood for 1M
when you could trade up for Sjostrom, Boyes, or even Winchester for ~750k? IMHO, at least Sjostrom and Boyes are as worthy as Wellwood.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Boyes contract is for $4 mil...
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For Realz?
That crosses one off the list.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Not like we can't afford that.
Especially by the deadline.
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Sjostrom's in Sweden.
Cross him off the list too.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 10, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
For Realz? x2
Well that list could have been better…
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes Bring Back Wellwood
would be a nice insurance move, but I agree that the moment has passed
Go Big or Go Home
Question
So when do you think Doug will hold a press conference to introduce the New Shark players? Burns, Havlat, Handzus, Vandermeer, White, Murray, Sheppard
Go Big or Go Home
I had the same thought, but Pollak confirmed that the press conferences are not the Sharks style. They won’t be having them.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Pollak just recently said they won’t be having them.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point though. Heatley at least.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like they did it for Heatley because he was acquired during training camp, when everyone was already in San Jose. Plus, it was such a long, drawn-out process for Heatley to finally be traded, perhaps the organization felt as if they needed to show their support for Heatley from the get-go.
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That’s it right there. We should hire you as an author.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously. Don’t know why you haven’t.
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I absolutely adore
How you’re on a first name basis with our GM. It’s awesome.
GO SHARKS!
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Is there any chance of Sgarbossa trying out this year? I’ve heard absolutely nothing about him this offseason, and if my memory serves me well, last year he made camp.
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Sgarbossa attended Canada’s WJC eval. camp and actually made a good impression. No chance of making the team but pretty impressive that a guy who went undrafted got an invite.
He will likely be playing in the rookie tournament and should be at the main camp as well – but I don’t think he has much of a chance of making the team. He’ll be back in the CHL for the season.
by milanahalek on Aug 10, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
He will probably get an early chance at camp but then go back to OHL.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't lie Mr. Plank.
You only created this thread because the previous one was filling up with too many comments.
Sniff! Definitely.
Might also had to with the fact that a lot of those comments were getting pretty heated.
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It takes a special sort of player like James Sheppard to get 500 comments.
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400 of which had nothing to do with James Sheppard.
by Briceratops on Aug 10, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Everything that happens in the Citadel
has something to do with James Sheppard.
"It was tough to get back at him (Colton Orr) even later because he never played another shift," said Murray, who stands six-foot-three and weighs 240 pounds
I'm Center Sheppard
And that was my favorite thread on the internet.
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I thought
after getting 500+ posts about Sheppard, Plank was doubling down and going for 1000 posts on a ‘probably no more players before the season’ thread.
"It was tough to get back at him (Colton Orr) even later because he never played another shift," said Murray, who stands six-foot-three and weighs 240 pounds
I’m fine with Sharks doing nothing and giving another rookie a chance to get into the NHL. That’s what I love about the Sharks. Every year a player no one ever heard of breaks into the lineup out of nowhere and become an NHL regular. Joe Pavelski, Ryan Clowe, Torrey Mitchell, Jason Demers, Justin Brown.. Who’s next? I imagine it’ll be a forward – no room on defense.
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by Ivano M on Aug 10, 2011 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Justin Brown?
This is exactly why I’m okay with the Sharks not blindly going after anyone right now. The team may not be ranked highly in terms of prospects, but there are a whole helluva lot of good players in this organization. And you forgot Vlasic!
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I know
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okay forreal this time
justin brown is not a member of the sharks organization!
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 10, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
i need to stop this
i have never been so addicted to a meme
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 10, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Desjardins...
I’m really excited to see this kid play this year. I love him centering the 4th line.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 11, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I love his cap hit
He’s currently the cheapest guy on our roster, and will probably be our most important 4th liner.
Here are some pictures of Corey Perry for your amusement.
My favorites are #2, 7, and 14.
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by Mr. Plank on Aug 10, 2011 3:20 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I feel like THIS should be playing in the background as you look at those Corey Perry pictures.
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by SharksFanTillDeath on Aug 10, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
These pictures almost make me want to maybe like Corey Perry… yikes
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WHY????
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Theory: Because the awkwardness found in every photo brings to mind this guy.
I say we organize a donation drive to raise $1000 for charity and get Patrick Marleau to do a similar photoshoot.
The results would be spectacular.
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Marleau could model this clothing line:
http://sociallyawkwardclothing.webuda.com/
"It was tough to get back at him (Colton Orr) even later because he never played another shift," said Murray, who stands six-foot-three and weighs 240 pounds
Does anyone else think it's inappropriate
to refer to kids (socially awkward or not) as hot?
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Yes.

"It was tough to get back at him (Colton Orr) even later because he never played another shift," said Murray, who stands six-foot-three and weighs 240 pounds
!!!!

Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Aug 12, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Precisely
Except Marleau does it effortlessly. It looks like Perry has induced constipation in order to attempt to reach the same levels of awkwardness.
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Instead of a photo shoot,
we could challenge internationally known fashion designers to a contest of who can make Marleau look the least awkward. It could be a reality show on NHL Latenight.
"It was tough to get back at him (Colton Orr) even later because he never played another shift," said Murray, who stands six-foot-three and weighs 240 pounds
It looks like he’s trying out for a Micheal Bolton album cover
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS A TALE OF CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW...
okay lame haha sorry but I can’t help it :P
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by sanjosesharksfan on Aug 10, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS THE TALE OF TONY MONTANA
ha, neither can I
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
LIFE IS A BOX OF CHOCOLATES AND MY NAME IS FORREST GUMP
i love how the lonely island is like “why the hell did we invite this psychopath onto a song with us” and michael bolton is singing about movies
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by sanjosesharksfan on Aug 10, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It has to be one of the funniest songs i’ve heard.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
i know right
NIGHT STARTS NOW BABY ROLL WITH US….
…
THIS IS A TALE OF CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW… (what…)
their masterpiece though is the brilliant song I Just Had….well yeah you know what i mean xD
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by sanjosesharksfan on Aug 10, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I just wish he had done the middleschool graduation "peeking around a tree" picture
by Bearodactyls on Aug 10, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHA
I wanna see a photoshop of that sometime.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he’s taking a poop in 4
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WOW
Corey Perry is just an all around Rah-Tard. Nice watch though…lol
by will_hunter23 on Aug 11, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
If DW does nothing else before this summer ends
We better get players with the extra cap space come trade deadline where ever it’s needed. Making us even more excited for the playoffs then we already are.
Shouldn’t DW be able to make better trades then he made last year since (I think) he’s gonna have more dough with cap space? And if so, look at how the team turned around and made their run after all those players he traded for. So there shouldn’t be any reason the team wouldn’t continue to improve, right?
Help grow as many players as we can to start off the season and then get ready and stronger for the playoffs! If only the season could start tomorrow!
So... Trade deadline options...
What players who are currently not part of the Sharks organization do we want playing in the Sharks organization after the deadline?
We have 4 million in space. Lots of guys who have contracts ending. Who do you want? GO!
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
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David Jones from Colorado seems like a decent bottom six possibility to me. 45 point guy last year. Not young, but not old at 27. Making 2.5mil.
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Tom Jones.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
SL

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It might be a little unusual

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 11, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
One of my girlfriend's co-coworkers
went to a celebrity golf tournament and saw Alfonso Ribeiro eagle a par 4 and then start doing that dance.
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JONATHAN CHEECHO!!!
Nick Lidstrom. Drew Doughty. Shea Weber. Sidney Crosby. Steven Stamkos. Alex Ovechkin. Henrik Lundqvist.
All of them.
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You forgot Jon Scott
Boy can that kid sit in a press box.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Bon Scott?

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That's more like it!
In an equstrian sense…
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Fredrik Sjostrom
But I’ll have to see as the season progresses if there’s any blaring weak spots.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Sjostrom is soooooo bad.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
For a cheap 3/4th line PKer, I thought he was pretty good.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s terrible. Someone mentioned his name as a good PK guy once, and for some reason the label stuck even though it’s far from true.
Here’s his PK GAON/GAOFF last few years…
2010-2011: 9.90/7.06
2009-2010: 7.17/4.09
2008-2009: 3.66/4.48
2007-2008: 5.90/4.77
So, with the exception of 2008-2009, Powerp Plays scored more against Sjostrom’s team per 60 when he was on the ice than when he was off. By a large margin over the last two years.
He was so bad, that even on Toronto’s terrible penalty kill, he was scratched. He is playing abroad next year.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for showing me the stats. Hopefully no Sjostrom for the Sharks then.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Mikhail Grabovski for Mitchell and McGinn and a second
hahahahaha no. but grabovski…could he fit into this organization?
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by sanjosesharksfan on Aug 10, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if we get DownGoesBrown
to finish that video blurb about Grabovski he had at the end of his Reimer video.
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I really don't think our 3rd line is going to work as is
That line seriously needs some skill on it. Right now our 3rd line seems to be made of complimentary type players.
Mcginn, Handzus, and Ferriero all seem like players who need to be with someone who can hold onto the puck and make things happen. They’re all the kind of players who need to be set up in order to score a goal. Mitchell is a bit of a wild card, but I don’t think we should depend on him to carry our 3rd line.
I know he isn’t the best fit for our 3rd line, but I think resigning Wellwood is our only option at the moment.
Like most people i want a 3rd line of defensively responsible players who kill penalties and can play against top competition, but no matter how good Handzus, Mitchell and whoever are defensively, it’s not going to matter if they can’t sustain any offense because then they’re always going to be in the defensive zone giving up chances against.
I think Wellwood could be a great compliment to that line that will allow them to spend more time in the offensive zone and sustain some offensive pressure. Also lets not forget that Wellwood had the best GAON/60 on the team last year by far.
Both Plank and I are fans… but I think that ship has sailed.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 10, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Why’s that? I think DW has just been waiting to see if he has any other options, like trading for guys like Hecht, picking up guys after being put on waivers or after being bought out like he did with White, etc.
It sounds like there really aren’t any teams showing interest in Wellwood so I think he’ll still be around as we get closer to the start of the season, and so DW might just pick Wellwood up for cheap if he wasn’t able to get any of the guys he really wanted.
Isn’t that kind of what DW said/implied in an interview a while back when asked about Wellwood? He said something about how he’d like to get back in touch with Wellwood and his agent later in the offseason if he was still available.
I'm thinking that Wellwood might be holding out for more than he's worth.
But I wouldn’t mind being proven wrong. Wellwood is an acceptable 3rd liner and has a great meme. I hope DW picks him up for ~1M to help fuse the bottom 6.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The only reports I saw
Was that nobody had called his agent. That doesn’t sound like holding out.
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Here's the rub
What he’s looking for, Wellwood doesn’t have. We don’t know if any of these kids has it. Honestly, probably not. It’ll be a crappy 3rd line for a couple months. What’s that mean?
The Sharks could be as low as 4th or 5th in the conference at midseason.
It’s a hole in the lineup. It’s not a sucking chest wound like not replacing Blake on top of having your defense learn how to work with a new goalie turned out to be where it’s “Oh shit, we’re in 11th place.”
All signing Wellwood would do is leave us questioning for another year whether any of these kids can play and Wilson would still be looking for his ideal 3rd liner come December because he’s obviously not overly impressed with something about Wellwood. That makes him a waste of cap space and roster spot.
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I think this is probably pretty much how I feel about Wellwood too. I don’t think he’s a very good “fit” for what the team needs.
There’s something about him or his game that GM’s just don’t seem to like. He isn’t holding out for more money – according to his agent he hasn’t even received any offers. I’m guessing he’ll end up being a camp invite somewhere.
It has nothing to do with whether they “have it” or not. It’s about the type of players they are, and the type of player we need on that 3rd line.
Handzus, Mcginn, and Ferriero are all guys who need to be set up in order to score goals. They aren’t the type of players who can carry a line and create opportunities.
Go watch Handzus’ goal highlights on NHL.com. All of his goals are scored because he was standing in front of and banged home a rebound or something. He’s not a playmaker, and neither is Mcginn or Ferriero.
So who is going to create all the offense on that line? We’re going to have to rely on Mitchell to create all the offense for that 3rd line, which is a lot to ask of him. I think a guy like Wellwood is exactly what the 3rd line needs to ensure that they don’t spend every second on the ice in the defensive zone.
I don’t think 1 3rd line winger is going to make or break this team that much.
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Bring back Huskins and Wallin for some depth, no? Too soon?
by will_hunter23 on Aug 11, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Ferriero is not the only player they can move up to the 3rd line, neither is Mcginn. It’s not even for sure that Mitchell’s gonna stay on that line (even though I’d say that he’s a lot less effective on the 4th). The Sharks need to figure some things out with certain players. Or else I would be 100% for a better 3rd line now.
Even though Wellwood would help, in the end I think he’ll just get in the way with what S.J is trying to figure out. Replace Wellwood with someone better later.
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Burns just keeps getting better and better, doesn’t he.
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by DiscoSemenov on Aug 10, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Picture of said tattoo that Burns tweeted

Oh, and in a separate tweet, he revealed he’s wearing superhero pjs.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 11, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering why Harry Potter wasn't falling off his broom...
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Magic.
Obviously. J.K. cast deus ex machina and Harry discovered his anti-gravity spell.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 12, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Burns finally has a flaw
No, not that Potter tattoo, that’s awesome.
He wears power balance! ugh.
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Burns was a pretty good beater
with the Couchiching Terriers Quidditch Club in 2001-02
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Went to Captain's practice today!
Go there if you want to see Burns tear it up against really really weak competition or if you want to see Owen Nolan. Burns was basically dekeing everyone out when he was trying and passing the puck cross crease when he wasn’t. It was pretty comical how much better he was than the prospects who came to the practice. However, if you’re not into seeing one of the league’s best Dmen owning, then there isn’t much of a reason to go to the practice other than to see Nolan and maybe Greiss.
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Boyle, Marleau and Thornton all spent the off season in SJ this year (Marleau lives here year round, JT might now as well).
Not sure if Thornton and Boyle are completely over their injures yet so I don’t know about them, but Patty usually starts showing up around the 2nd week. Cheech and Stuart will likely be skating pretty soon as well and it wouldn’t surprise me if Nabby joins them this year.
Most of the guys start showing up closer to the last week of August.
Couture says he comes in tomorrow, but if you wanna see Burnsy in Sharks gear:

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 10, 2011 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
But...
Curtis Brown is not a member of the Sharks Organization.
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Curtis Brown took a bus out of town...
But I’m hoping that you’ll stick around.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 11, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions

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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 11, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought C. Brown was part of the organization working with the scouts, or development coaching staff.
Or is it Junior sharks?
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Nah, he’s just working at Sharks Ice running the rink’s youth camps, as well as coaching the Jr. Sharks team. Technically not directly under the team, but other the Sharks and Sharks Ice are operated by the same company.
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What do our forward lines look like now?
With Heater and Seto out, the third man with Thornton and Marleau could be pretty much anyone. Clowe, Couture, and Pavelski seem the most likely though.
What lines will Handzus and Havlat play on?
Ferriero is a damn good player, almost as good as Manny Malhotra in my opinion. Mitchell produces some pretty plays now and then. Desjardins has got potential much like Wingels and McCarthy. I really hope DW re-signs Wellwood, he produced so much for us in a fairly short amount of time; besides it doesn’t seem very wise to have made all of our mid-season acquisitions from last season all have been mere rentals.
One particular player I am on the fence on is Ginner. Aside from the fact that his potential for being a liability has revealed itself with the major penalties he took during the playoffs which almost cost us a game apiece, his stats seemed to have gone down. During the 2009-10 season, he had 13 points and was a -3 which is pretty good for a bottom line forward, but last season he only had about half that. If he doesn’t try to exercise more discipline and get his A-game on, it may be time to let him go.
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Might as well pencil in Desjardins for 4th line center. Ferriero, Mash, McGinn (most likely of the bunch, IMO), Shepp, and Murray will all compete for remaining spots.
And as for ginner, those 2 penalties he took were rather umm…. bullshitish? Yeah, they were ballsy, but they were also terrible calls. Keep in mind he’s only 23 and isn’t going to always make veteran plays, and as it was mentioned somewhere else on this thread Ginner only had 33 PIM in 49 games. As for his point production, he played in 10 less games than 2009-2010 and wasn’t exactly playing along side the most offensively gifted players.
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 12, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
That's not fair to Havlat to make him play on two different lines.
by Briceratops on Aug 12, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
hahahha wooops
dam ha-players.
mitchell-handzus-_?_
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 12, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you mean?
You’ve never heard of Havlat’s ability to asexually multiply?
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by SeanCrosby87 on Aug 12, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Line up Combos
but I have a feeling Doug has 3 more moves he’ll pull out of his azz!
- but if nothing else changes, this what I see.
#1. Marleau Thornton Havlat
#2. Clowe Couture Pavelski
#3. McGinn Hanzus Mitchell
#4. Murray Desjjardin Ferierro
Burns White
Boyle Murray
Vlasic Demers
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i dont see marleau and havlat on the same line
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 12, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
stupid buttons.
i think he will try it out a few times which will be fricken AWESOME to watch all that speed, but i think couture will likely take havlats spot on a regular basis.
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 12, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Why not? HTML 2.0!!!
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Aug 12, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
lolwut?
Pavs on the first line seems absurd to me.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 12, 2011 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Pavs is a bit more on par with the second line, but I wouldn’t say it’d be absurd to replace seto’s right shot with Pav’s.
by CallofCouture on Aug 12, 2011 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to Pollak…
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 12, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
So...we're not going to spread our depth at center?
by Briceratops on Aug 12, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Pavelski and Couture are going to be on one of the top 2 lines any way, so I don’t think it matters which line Pavelski is on in the depth at center aspect. Zeus will center the 3rd line.
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by pooponastick on Aug 12, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a right handed shot.
Righty + Jumbo = :D
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Havs and Pavs
LOL.
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Murray and Murray.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 12, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
But...
Ian White is not a member of the Shark’s organization
Suck it, meme-ers.
by Bearodactyls on Aug 12, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
you forgot the exclamation point. that’s the most crucial element of the meme.
duh.
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And he also put an apostrophe in "Sharks"...
Making it a totally different meme altogether.
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I keep reading the title as "Sharks Third Line Deficiencies Are No Preissing Matter "
Is it a sign?
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Anyone know if Thornton is going to be ready in time for the season?
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by sanjosesharksfan on Aug 14, 2011 2:00 PM PDT reply actions
Go to his house and ask him. :D
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 14, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He is not home
He is busy volunteering…

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by wtfbro? on Aug 14, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

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