Signs point to Sharks choosing not to retain Patrick White, instead will recieve compensation
by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 16, 2011 8:09 AM PDT
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Although the Trade Deadline is the most famous deadline in the NHL, there are a few others that have some significance. Yesterday, for example, was the last day to sign college prospects to professional contracts. If a team failed to do so, said prospect would return to the free agent pool.
The San Jose Sharks have appeared to chose to take the latter route with prospect Patrick White, who was acquired in the trade that sent Brad Lukowich and Christian Ehrhoff to Vancouver. Since White was a first round pick, the Sharks could chose to either sign White or take a second round selection as compensation, or more specifically, the 55th overall pick in the 2012 draft.
With yesterday come and gone and no news from the organization, it's a pretty safe bet to assume that White has been cut loose.
White's short career with San Jose was an extremely uneventful one. His acquisition was a mere blip on the radar in parts of a bigger move to acquire Dany Heatley, and his exit failed to register as well. It's a long, hard fall for the 25th overall pick in the 2007 NHL entry draft.
Heading into that draft, White was ranked in the top-thirty prospects. Scouts touted his puck handling skills and strengthin the corners, suggesting that he would be an above average winger with a solid wrist-shot. However, there was one knock in his NHL scouting profile which, in retrospect, seems to have dictated his post-draft career.
He lacked urgency in his play.
It appears that lack of urgency has led White to an uncertain hockey future. In his senior season at the University of Minnesota, his last real chance to make an impression on the Sharks organization, White scored just five goals en route to a ten point effort in an injury shortened twenty-seven game season. Now, without a professional contract, White is an unrestricted free agent. At this point, it seems extremely unlikely that teams will be lining up to sign him.
The Ehrhoff trade was a cap-move, but even still, it was probably the worst value-for-value trades ever completed by the usually shrewd Doug Wilson.
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I would have let him walk, no question
Now we have another second round pick to package together with Vlasic to get that 25-35 point third line winger we need desperately.
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by Mr. Plank on Aug 16, 2011 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I agree
Those were my exact thoughts! I think yesterday’s deadline is what Wilson was waiting for so he could make his move.
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 16, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Vlasic for 3rd line winger?
Vlasic + 2nd round pick = 3rd line winger.
something really wrong with that equation. Vlasic is a solid top 3 defenseman for any team. I hope you were just kidding.
pssh
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 16, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
But...
Ian White is not a member of the Sharks Organization!
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 16, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
But...
Patrick White is not a member of the Sharks Organization!
Somebody better be really clear about what kind of camp
Tommy Wingels has to show up for in September
@shampeon
But...
Colin White is not a member of the Sharks organization.
Wait… Fuck.
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by Evilducks on Aug 16, 2011 1:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
nor their cousin Jordan White
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But...
Jordan White is not a member of the Sharks Organization!
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First comment was here (let the link load completely) and then you could ctrl-F up this thread.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 19, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Vlasic is one of the best value contracts on the team and one of the best valued non-ELC defenseman in the NHL. It would be very hard to execute a trade that gets you equal value for him, never mind the idea of trading him straight up for a 25-35 point third line winger.
If the trade partner throws in a sixth round pick however I’m sold*.
* Seriously.**
**I’m serious.
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You look like Corey Perry?
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by pooponastick on Aug 16, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
"That's the Joke"
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by SeanCrosby87 on Aug 16, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you
Glad someone got it
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by waive kent huskins on Aug 17, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Teehee
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Oi Plank.
Why you hatin’ on mah Pickles?
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 16, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Thought this said Patrick Marleau for a minute. Whew.
by Dermal Denticles on Aug 16, 2011 8:32 AM PDT reply actions
This article isn’t complete without a montage of all his awesome highlights as a member of the Sharks with Sarah McLachlan’s “I will remember you” in the background.
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OT - Captain's Practice
Made it to Sharks Ice this morning for about an hour to watch some hockey…looks like some more guys are starting to skate. Greiss, Seto, Nolan, Cheech, Stuart, Burns, MacIntyre, Tikhonov, Acolatse and a bunch of ‘pick up’ players (one who was really good but I couldn’t figure out who he was).
It’s worth it to make time to go and watch Burns. That guy LOVES to play. Had a smile on his face the entire time, was making noises and hugging the pick up guys when they scored – he even pretended to run Nolan, who was also playing w/ a huge smile on his face, Cheech looked pretty happy as well. It was fun to watch to some hockey again.
Thanks for the update! Looking forward to go watch some training camp
by mikericcinotme on Aug 16, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What exactly is "captain's practice"?
Is it pick up with current and former players? Who gets to go? How does it all work? (thanks in advance!)
by Bearodactyls on Aug 16, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Along the lines of
an optional off-season workout in the NFL. Established guys usually skip it, but its a chance for new guys (rookies or new acquisitions) to get acclimated to new teammates/facilities/etc before camp actually starts.
Marleau (at least in the past it’s been Patty) rents the ice for the guys to go and practice / play, more or less get themselves ready for training camp. Right now, it’s pretty much ‘shinny’ with who ever shows up. I would guess that the guys listed above will be there pretty often…Cheech, Nolan, Stuart and Tikhonov spend their summers in San Jose, so they’ve been going for several years.
Over the next couple of weeks, as the guys get back into town, they’ll go play – towards the end (1st week of Sept.) just about the entire team is out there. No coaches, just the players – though I’ve seen the coaches there often, just watching.
They usually scrimmage for an hour or so, then they’ll do passing, shooting, skating, etc. drills….different guys run the “practice” portion.
It’s open to the public, they start at 10:00 Mon – Fri. It’s fun, I recommend going if you have the time. I understand they’re pretty good about signing autographs as well once the practice is over, but I’ve never stayed until the end.
55th overall pick?
Since it’s from Vancouver, wouldn’t it’s location be dependent on where they wind up in the standings?
The '05-06, '06-07', and '07-'08 Sharks were not ever good enough to win the Cup. They were just good enough to lose in the 2nd round. That's not choking people!
The compensatory pick is based on where the original pick was made (25th overall) – this is from the CBA:
…which Compensatory Draft Selection shall be the same numerical
choice in the second round in the Entry Draft immediately following the date the Club
loses such rights. By way of example, if a Club cannot sign the third pick in the first
round, it will receive the third pick in the second round as compensation.
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by pooponastick on Aug 16, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
So get the draft pick… and then sign him? Boom, CBA circumvented!
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by Bockerz on Aug 16, 2011 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What if......
Doug makes another trade with Minn, and gets back Setoguchi.
That would be crazy!!!!!!
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by ChangoT on Aug 16, 2011 9:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Sheppard for Gooch! lol
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by idunno723 on Aug 16, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yep – he’s the only player I’m at all upset about losing this off-season.
by milanahalek on Aug 17, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unless we have some serious aces up our sleeves, our prospect pool is pretty much depleted. I won’t care about sucking in 3 or 4 years if we have a banner to point to, but if we don’t, it’s going to be painful.
Somebody better be really clear about what kind of camp
Tommy Wingels has to show up for in September
@shampeon
I don’t think it’s as bad as most people do, and the Sharks have the next 3 (or 4 or 5) years to re-stock through the draft.
It’s thin at forward, mostly 3rd and 4th liners with a couple of guys that could have 2nd line upside – but pretty deep at D and in goal.
It’s tough to restock through the draft, even if you absolutely suck ass for a couple years, because prospects take years to develop, and some never live up to their expectations.
I have faith in the Sharks scouting organization, but once Marleau and Thornton are retired, it’s looking like it’s going to be the Couture show, full stop, until and unless we can get some offense developed or acquired.
Somebody better be really clear about what kind of camp
Tommy Wingels has to show up for in September
@shampeon
I don’t agree about it being tough to re-strock through the draft – but I also think that JT and Patty have quite a few years left in them and I’m pretty comfortable with Pavs and Couture being the achors on the top 2 lines, so whatever prospect the Sharks have or draft or trade for have plenty of time to develop.
Having Burns, Vlasic and Demers as a D core to build around for the next decade or so should also help keep this team competive.
And then there’s Wilson’s history with trades…
Unless the team falls flat on it’s face in the next couple of years, I just don’t see the team ‘sucking’ or the org. going through a re-build any time soon.
With the attention James Sheppard got...
I’m surprised this thread hasn’t blown up yet.
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White's being let go, not aquired
Much easier to talk about the guy the team will use in the future versus a guy being let go who half of us forgot the team even had.
Plus, the Sheppard thread was either Mass Effect jokes, Minnesota fans pointing out how bad he was, or us making jokes about how bad he was.
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I think the Shepard article blew up
because of the huge “Speed vs. Defense” argument.
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Or because lots of people like Mass Effect.
by Briceratops on Aug 17, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mass Effect is so awesome.
Legion. <3
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 17, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
James Sheppard: The next Wayne Gretzky.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 17, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Barely
And only because Ehrhoff and Lukowich are no longer on the Canucks.
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Signed Kent “I always have a confused look on my face” Huskins to a 1 Year 1M deal, while completly publisizing the fact that they are throwing in the towell for the 2011-2012 season.
I remember this trade...
and remember thinking this was the plan all along. When they got White, he was on the downturn prospect wise, and I don’t think the front office was unaware of that fact. They essentially dumped salary and got a 2nd round pick, which was about the best they could do.
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