Sharks sign Colin White to a one-year deal worth $1.0 MM, solidifying best blueline in team history
by Mr. Plank on Aug 3, 2011 3:26 PM PDT
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PrintThe Sharks added to their already impressive defensive core earlier today, inking former New Jersey Devils defenseman Colin White to a one-year contract worth $1.0 MM. White joins Jim Vandermeer and Brent Burns as fresh faces on the Sharks backend. These additions have immediately turned what was a weakness of the organization into a clear strength.
White spent his entire career with the New Jersey Devils, serving a defensive defenseman role with the club. Weighing in at 235 pounds and boasting a 6'4 frame, White's primary role on the team will be to clear the front of the net, kill penalties, and hold the fort in front of Sharks goaltender Antti Niemi. He has amassed over 100 hits and 100 blocked shots in each of his previous three seasons, making him a prototypical defensive defenseman with a penchant for doing the rough stuff and doing it well. A left eye injury sustained in 2007 renders him unable to drop the gloves like he did earlier in his career, but the visor he now wears makes re-aggravating that injury a non-issue during the course of normal hockey play.
With a grand total of 20 goals in 743 games played it is clear that White won't be counted on to deliver any offense throughout the course of next season. Considering he will likely start the season with Jason Demers on the Sharks third pairing however, that focus on the defensive zone is something that is a clear asset to the club.
As White's advanced statistics show, those assets make him a very valuable addition to the organization:
*Team ranks in parentheses. Ranks are out of subjects with at least 30 GP; SH sample is with players who have more than 1:00 SH TOI/G.
White has played against top competition for the last three seasons of his professional career. At the age of 33 he isn't going to be the dynamic shutdown defenseman he used to be, but right off the bat it's clear that the Devils coaching staff continued to trust him with playing the toughs. Coupled with his team-leading defensive zone starts, it becomes clear that White is a player who knows how to handle the hardest assignments on the blueline.
His underlying CORSI numbers reflect those assignments. He ends up middle to low on the totem pole of Devils defenseman, an acceptable result for a player who begins his shifts in the defensive zone where shots are likely. Directly related to that is his 5v5 plus/minus numbers. These two metrics put White on the lower end of the Devils blueline, indicating that the tough assignments he is seeing may be getting a little too much to handle for him at this stage in his career.
Essentially you have a historically competent defensive defenseman whose age seems to be catching up with him. There's no doubt he is able to hold his head above water playing the toughs, but his nose would be hovering just above the tides. And that's an easy fix on a Sharks blueline now stacked with legitimate blueliners.
Pairing White with Demers fixes all of those concerns and turns them into an asset. You put a young and talented defenseman that will be a big part of the organization for years to come alongside a once top-minutes guy who will excel against competition that is inferior to what he is used to playing against. It opens up more ice for Demers to use offensively, feeds into the lefty-righty dynamic, and is a vast improvement over Vandermeer.
Furthermore, White's bread and butter is the penalty kill. He has seen big minutes on the shorthanded unit throughout his career and consistently puts up excellent goals against numbers at 4v5. Spreading out the minutes in this situation has long been a request of mine, and after adding Burns, White, and Vandermeer this offseason, you're going to see Dan Boyle's minutes in this situation take a dive. That is a good, nay, an excellent, thing.
Here's how things should shake out on opening night:
Burns-Vlasic
Boyle-Murray
Demers-White
Vandermeer/Braun
Giddyup.
Over the years the staff at Fear The Fin has written countless articles highlighting the inadequacies of the Sharks defensive unit. It seems like every year at the deadline there would be at least seven articles written about trade targets San Jose should acquire, why said player would make them a Cup favorite, and how a strong and deep blueline is an essential asset to have on the road to the Finals.
The Sharks end today with three pairings that have a dangerous offensive defenseman paired alongside a legitimate shutdown defenseman. Justin Braun, James Vandermeer, Mike Moore, and numerous other prospects wait in the wings to provide help in the case of injuries. There is no perceivable weakness on the unit with forty two days left to go until training camp begins.
I'm not sure what changed this offseason. Maybe it was the fact that Jason Demers' injury in the Western Conference Finals highlighted that lack of depth, Dan Boyle's increasing minutes took their toll, or DW always wanted to upgrade the backend but never could quite get the pieces together to make it work.
Whatever the case may be, there is no doubt San Jose enters next season with the best blueline in team history.
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Hell Yeah!
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by idunno723 on Aug 3, 2011 3:35 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Great, now I can switch over to worrying about the lack of scoring by losing Heatley/Seto
by Couture's Moustache on Aug 3, 2011 3:36 PM PDT reply actions
I think having pavelski up with thornton/marleau (assuming it’s couture/clowe/havlat on the 2nd) will add some scoring. I personally like the look of pavs/joe/patty and couture/clowe/havlat over what it looked like with heatley. That said simply because injuries seemed to plague heatley the last couple of years. Not discrediting what he did, but i think havlat will be a better fit than heatley because of his speed.
by SjDoiWorkAllDay on Aug 3, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Scoring
The Sharks lost, I think, a total of 7 goals w/ all of their off season moves – this team won’t have a problem putting the puck in the net. Now, they won’t (shouldn’t) have a problem keeping it out of their net.
I’d like a 3rd line winger as much as everyone else but that’s something that they can get at any time. Not something I’m even a little bit worried about right now.
Once and For All...
Can we please drop the idea that the Sharks somehow lost goal scoring when Heatley and Seto left??
Total goals scored last season by Heatley and Seto:
Heatley – 26
Seto – 22
TOTAL: 48 goals
Total Goals last season by the players who replaced Heatley/Seto:
Havlat – 22
Burns – 17
Handzus – 12
TOTAL: 51 goals
I included Handzus because his 2.5M salary is exactly how much cap space we saved when dealing Heatley.
by BillytheSid on Aug 4, 2011 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s more potential goal-scoring we lost.
Heatley could have gotten 45.
Setoguchi could have gotten 30.
Total 75 hypothetical goals
Havlat probably tops out at 35.
Burns can only expect 15 goals give or take (I used 15 because it’s quite rare for a D to get 20)
Handzus again only about 15.
Total 65 hypothetical goals.
So that is potentially about a 10 goal loss.
Also, if we didn’t get Burns, we very well might have re-signed Ian White, who could possibly contribute 5, maybe 10, goals if lucky.
However, I was really just playing devil’s advocate here. I think we’ll be scoring at just about the same rate as last year, or maybe just insignificantly lower.
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I know that's what most people think
but if you’re going to do that, you have to also account for the increase in goal scoring by guys like Pavelski, now playing in the top 6, possibly even on the top line with Thornton. He could easily net 30 goals.
Vlasic and Demers should score more as well now that they both have significantly better defense partners. I could see each getting 6 -10 goals.
Boyle’s production should increase as well with his reduced ice time and fewer PK mins.
And to beat the horse completely into the ground...
The whole purpose of improving defensively is so that we don’t HAVE to score as much!
Agreed.
The more I think about this, the more excited I am for the season to start.
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THIS THIS THIS
Also why I’m not so worked up if DW doesn’t sign a veteran 3rd liner right now. If the refurbished D can do its job better, it can better shelter the Handzus-Mitchell-??? line.
BEAT DAT BEAT
you have to also account for the increase in goal scoring by guys like Pavelski, now playing in the top 6
And then you would have to account for the decrease in scoring by the disbanding of the helicopter line…your evidence in support of more scoring is that the main cog of the third legit scoring line of last year is no longer playing there. This kind of speculation is pointless.
We seem to have a tougher more-sound-defensive team next year with some GREAT scorers.
I watched game 3 of the LA series last night
Can we please re-sign Wellwood? That guy caused them nothing but trouble all night long. He could easily fit into the left wing along side Handzus
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Exactly!
Thank you! I’ve been saying the same thing. I think we can all agree that our defense is super solid for next year. We still have plenty of cap room to get Wellwood and perhaps another like Chimera (hypothetically). I know he’s not a checker, but he’s skilled and can play on either the first or second line if needed, or on the lower two lines as well. Make it happen Evil!
I have to agree. The one thing we say Handzus needs to be effective is a puck-handler who can give him time to get in front of the net. Wellwood did pretty well in that regards against LA.
But do we want a puck-hanlder for a 3rd line with firepower, or a checker to give us a 3rd line that will shut down an opponents top line
I think Wellwood would be a good option for scoring depth reasons…and honestly, any line with Handzus and Mitchell will be a shutdown kind of line already. Wellwood works hard, and would be covered by not only two very good defensive forwards, but a very good blueline as well. I think we could afford to add him to the third like to help the scoring depth out a little bit.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Rewatch the Vancouver series
Tell me if you find him
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I just can't wait
to see how this big blue line opens up our offense. These guys are going to wear down our opponents.
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This. Is. Beautiful.
I’m really excited for this coming season.
The solid D, combined with the added speed of havlat and defense of hanzeus…I like where we’re going. Pavelski will add a lot more scoring now that he’s up on a line that he deserves to be on. This is going to be a good season!
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by Dermal Denticles on Aug 3, 2011 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Lombardi's too busy getting drunk over that Weber comparison earlier today
Doughty’s going to want eleventy billion dollars now. Have fun with that, Kings.
I hate to play devil's advocate
but we’d probably be better off id Doughty walked. As much as I’d feel bad that a franchise loses one of it’s star players, it would help significantly. I guess I’ll be happy either way. I have no real qualms with the Kings.
by Dermal Denticles on Aug 3, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course we'd be better off if Doughty walked!
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Who knows
Lombardi’s drunk because he’s seen this movie before and it sucked for him.
A must-sign client represented by Don Meehan holding out over a RFA contract.
It’s not like that didn’t happen in 2002-03 in San Jose where the backups failed enmasse, the team imploded from a division crown and trip to game 7 of the 2nd round and finished the year with a new captain, coach and GM or anything.
He’ll end up paying through the nose for the fear of that happening in LA and it will cripple their cap, or he won’t, and they’ll be 20 points behind us before Doughty is up to speed.
Doughty is wanting to be the highest paid King, I can’t imagine that’s going over well with Lombardi either.
He won’t walk, they’ll re-sign him. Be interesting if it’s just a 4 year deal which will take him to his UFA year. I think that might be where they’re having issues. Lombardi probably want to do shorter or longer.
Lombardi
Will be kicked to the curb if Doughty walks. I won’t happen, because it cannot happen. Plus Detroit is drooling to get their hands on him.
Right now, Ryan Suter is planning on packing up his Nashville stuff and driving north to Detroit next summer.
Or Weber…
I can’t see Weber staying in Nashville after all of this.
Either Suter or Weber on Detroit scares the shit out of me.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit, what if they both went down to Detroit next season after Lidstrom retires…
The Preds are stupid beyond belief for letting Weber go to arbitration.
That thought haunts my dreams nightly…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoever's available when Lidstrom goes is very likely headed there
Next year: Suter or Weber
Two years: Weber
Nashville would do us all a favor by re-signing one long term and trading the other somewhere out east that gives him an extension until 2021. As it stands, they stand the real likelihood of losing Suter elsewhere and then Detroit front loading an offer sheet to Weber, which would singlehandedly kill the forward progress of their franchise.
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Wow that's freakin awesome
I can’t even believe the devils bought out Colin White with only 1 year left on his contract at 3 mill, especially when he was goin up against top competition for them. That just seems crazy…but whatever, things worked out great for us.
I can’t believe how rock solid our D is…now we just need to make a trade for Shane Doan at the deadline and the cup will be ours! lol
Yeah isn’t it weird that they’d buy out a guy with 1 year left at only 3 mill who they relied on to play against top competition?
One thing I will never, ever question the Devils org about is defence…they saw he was declining and they have young guys coming up. Even though he played in their top 4 last year I don’t think he’s top 4 anymore. The Devils had a really, horribly bad year so it’s good that he was a bright spot!
He’ll be a very good bottom pairing guy for the Sharks and a good penalty killer.
Now that Lemaire has retired i feel ok questioning their decisions about their defense. I mean they only saved 1 million dollars overall by buying him out. Is that 1 mill cap space gain worth losing a quality defenseman like Colin White?
But yeah, it’s worked out great for us. Demers and White are going to look amazing playing against other teams’ 3rd and 4th lines.
It saves NJ $2mil against the cap this year and obviously, they didn’t think he was worth keeping around – for whatever reason. They’d been trying to trade him for quite a while, the waive/buyout wasn’t surprising.
It was all to get back under the cap from the high parise contract. They traded Rolston for Hunter, a clear salary dump move, and then resigned Parise. Their next move was to waive and buyout Hunter and White to clear more than 4mil from their books.
Just because the cap is higher doesn’t mean that team’s don’t have internal caps to keep.
The Devils just drafted Larsson, and are likely to try and jump him right in this season, and so they cut where they could cut to get to their internal cap.
They didn’t need to dump cap space after getting rid of Rolston…they had been trying to trade White since last season.
Well i don’t think buyouts help when it comes to internal cap though do they?
The devils must be trying to make some kind of move or something since they have almost 6 mill in cap space now with Parise resigned.
If I may, some insight from NJ
Part of it was personal. After the end of last season, White and Lou sat down and per Tom Gulitti’s report about being placed on waivers, both sides agreed to go their separate ways. That’s why Lou was trying to trade him, couldn’t find a suitable partner/deal, and so had to go the buyout way. It’s not like the two had a falling out, White still spoke well of the organization today after the signing.
Anyway, what gets me is that no team in the NHL saw this a solid, reliable, no-nonsense defensive defenseman who earned his $3 million/year (especially since we’re in a NHL where Jonathan Ericsson got more than that) and offered to make a deal. White had a NTC, but he was never asked to waive it because there was no reason to do so. No team took a chance to pick him up for half-price. This is an excellent signing for San Jose and I’m still baffled that he was able to go for so little.
Mr. Plank’s analysis is correct; White has plenty to offer to a team and I don’t think he’s been degrading all that much. I felt it didn’t make much sense for the Devils to buy him out outside of the two sides agreeing to go their separate ways. NJ has plenty of young defensemen in the system, so it’s not like they’re hurting for quantity; but it’s not nobody being replaced. Granted should Volchenkov stay healthy and Tallinder & Greene stay strong, they’ll be OK. As for your favorite team, be glad, because on paper, this is a superb blueline when a capable #3 defenseman lines up as the #5.
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White was never on re-entry waivers and would have cost a full 3M for any team to pick him up off waivers. I don’t think he would have made it through re-entry.
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Offense builds from the defensive end out.
This has been an excellent off season. Room for a few more lower end forward in the cap, or save it for mid season replacements (and retire the Worchester Shuttle). Either way, it’s very exciting.
I definitely agree, but that is easier to get throughout the season than a top defensive corp. I’m not too worried about Wilson’s ability to pick someone up throughout the season. Let the young guys try to prove their spot and if all else fails make a move like he did bringing in white last year.
by SjDoiWorkAllDay on Aug 3, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Pairings
I think it would be better to pair him Boyle on the second pairing and shift Murray down to the third pairing with Demers. I think Murray was way over his head on the first pairing and would probably be average on the second. This would work out well when the other team runs out a 3/4 line that are geared more toward checking/energy/grinding type of play than scoring and leave White for the more skilled competition on the 2nd pairing.
Either way we still have a great group of D men that can play in almost all situations.
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I agree, partially...
It seemed like Murray really slowed down Boyle and he’s not set for the top line. Then again, that’s because they were way overworked. They may be even better this year now that Burns/Vlasic can take a lot of that load from their shoulders.
by SjDoiWorkAllDay on Aug 3, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Murray’s skillset was capable of handling the top pairing, it was only his speed that held him back from being that top guy. That said, he’s still a better choice for playing with Boyle not only because of chemistry but because White is on the decline. As the article commented on, White is still a decent player but he’s getting older and slower, so it is a much better situation to have Murray and Boyle together for 2nd pairing facing that qual comp setup and White on the 3rd to overmatch what he’s set against, than to have White potentially flounder.
For a moment I thought it was Ian White. Then I realized that he’d signed with the Red Wings. And that we’d signed the old, slow Colin White. But only for $1 million!
2 Wallin’s for the price of 3/4ths a Wallin. And yes, I would like some fries with that.
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I don't think I've been this excited for a Sharks season in a while.
First, the Burns extension. Now this. Best Shark Week ever.
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So you're saying . . .
Burns-Vlasic
Boyle-White
Murray-Demers
(Just to be clear)
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That is what I was thinking. I get the whole chemistry thing but so much has changed with both the forwards and the D that keeping an open mind through camp and the beginning of the season is a good idea.
I think Murray is good positionally but his slowness really hinders Boyle. White is not a rocket or anything but I think he can move better than Murray. They have the same style of play and skills I just think white still has a bit more talent than Murray.
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by shooting4life on Aug 3, 2011 8:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Chemistry with defense pairings is a tricky thing to play with. I doubt they pull Boyle and Murray apart.
Although, chemistry is always going to be changed when you change half of your defensemen.
by SjDoiWorkAllDay on Aug 3, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
What changed this offseason?
I think it’s DW reacting to what the Canucks did last offseason: load up on defensemen, more than enough quality guys than you seemingly need. It’s certainly not a bad strategy to follow, but I’m still waiting for another third liner.
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What changed is opportunity. Nothing else.
You have to remember that UFA Dmen are highly sought out and usually are signed to monster deals overpaying them etc. That has always been a barrier for DW when he was up against the cap as well as just targetting the right guys.
He has thus always then made the moves to shore up what he COULD get, in guys like Wallin and Huskins, who while overpaid were still serviceable.
What changed this season though, was opportunity came knocking and DW pounced.
Burns came through a last minute trade focusing on a large large need for scoring talent and Burns’ then upcoming UFA year.
White came from a buyout due to money issues (internal cap or not) that made his contract expendable for the services he was providing in the 4th spot, with possibility of dropping to 5th if Larsson was good enough or other prospects getting better etc. 3mil for a 5th/6th is something many people would balk at. So while he isn’t a terrible player, his salary was just too high for the position he was likely to hold. Additionally, don’t forget that his buyout happened only a couple days ago.
In other words, both “large” additions to our defense came essentially out of left field, circumstances that weren’t really foreseen at the start of the offseason. If White and/or Burns had been in the UFA field, I don’t think we’d have got either of them, or if we did their contracts would have another 2+ mil on them.
Luck of the draw, and we’re coming out of it in a great place. Now I just hope Mitchell can play up to his potential and that McGinn and shake himself out of the enforcer role he’s imposed on himself with what our 4th line used to be. If they both grow, it is going to be a great great year.
by VVhirlwind on Aug 3, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes and no
Yes, luck plays a role.
But I believe DW had Burns on his board all along and that he decided to dump Heatley if he could get a fair player in return. Since we were out matched in each of the last two Conf. Finals, DW had a plan as to what SJ needed to get over. It was just a matter of having enough cap space, tradeable pieces and the right circumstances, like a Wild team that didn’t think they could afford to re-sign Brett Burns. It’s good to be a Sharks fan today!
by douchebags on Aug 4, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Still skeptical
Hearing how good the Sharks’ defense is has me scratching my head. My mind can’t compute those two things together just yet. I’m too used to it being a weak link. I’ll need a few weeks of games before I’m sold.
What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
When did this happen?
This could be the start of a wonderful string of Sharks success. How will we prepare for the massive influx of idiot bandwagoners?
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Same with how I had to deal with the influx of so many Giants "Fans"
Just roll your eyes when they come out of the woodwork as ‘lifetime fans’ lol.
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Reminds me of the 40-something Lightning fan that said he'd liked the team since he was a kid.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 3, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
A friend of mine has been a Braves fan for years for no reason other than he probably watches too much TBS…
Last season he all of a sudden became a ‘lifetime giants fan’ and even cheered against the Braves when those two played in the playoffs.
How does one live with oneself doing that?
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Pretty sure we already have this:
How will we prepare for the massive influx of idiot bandwagoners?
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Idiot bandwagoners are a good thing, they pay the bills.
Just ask the Giants and their fans who go to Giants games, not to see their awful offense whiff at the ball, but for the “privilege” of paying $18.50 for a small garlic fry.
As much as hardcore fans love to be annoyed by them, they are what allows a teams to give out 5.75 million/year contracts to top defense-men.
by Mr. Clean Sweep on Aug 4, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
This is very true.
Bandwagoners used to annoy me but I’ve accepted them as another part of sports. I just sort of ignore them so they don’t really bother me anymore…
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And another part of sports
is diehard fans feeling superior to bandwagoners and mocking them.
If they get to be douches, I get to be an asshole!
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Haha
I’m one step up above you though, I make fun of the people making fun of bandwagoners.
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I just laugh at you.
Does that put me up another level as well?
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Garlic Fries
were the only thing I enjoyed at the Giants game I attended a few years ago
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I think the A's make them better
But even further down the totem pole, the best garlic fries I’ve ever had were at Raley Field in Sacramento…
BEAT DAT BEAT
Suuuper true that...
and Stockton Ports games have about the same goodness. its delish.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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If the A's move to San Jose
The SJ Giants should move to Gilroy. The could be the Gilroy Garlic-Somethings. Their fries would be so good, they’d somehow win the World Series despite being a single A team.
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Hahaha
That would be funny..
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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Honestly, I think that would work. (Well, the first sentence or two.)
Ideally, I think NorCal should be split like this:
MLB – SF, SJ
AAA – Sacramento, Oakland
A – Stockton, Santa Cruz/Gilroy/Monterey/Watsonville area
That area is growing, and I think would be perfect for a Single A team. Maybe UCSC could share the park with them.
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No way man.
I meant that as a compliment to Gilroy & their garlic festival.
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by Noctro on Aug 4, 2011 11:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
7.
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Awesome pick up
Too bad its only August 3rd.
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Dude HELL yeah...
Colin White’s one of the guys I wanted us to trade for last season knowing the Devils were pretty much out of it. He totally fits the “motherfucker” role which is great.
Yeah, he cant fight really, but I suppose if we’re playing a team where that could become an issue, and the bottom pairings will be playing against some goons, then bring in Vandermeer that night to clear up the scat…
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
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I wonder how many Ian White jerseys were sold last year, and how many of those are going to be re-purposed into Colin White.
The answer to both is “probably not very many,” but I still wonder.
We may never know??
Go Big or Go Home
by ChangoT on Aug 3, 2011 6:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Havlat stole #9
Would have been great though. I can imagine casual fans going “Wasn’t he a lot shorter last year?”
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After Semenov left
The Mercury News kept captioning all the photos of… Uhh… I want to say Scott Nichol or Jed Ortmeyer as Semenov. I could see something like that happening again.
Semenov & Nichol wore the same number
I remember because idunno took advantage of that.
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meh, that wont happen
Colin White will take 5 most probably, because he has worn it his whole life.
SOLID pick up
I said a few weeks that Campoli might be a nice addition, but this move for White is Solid. Its never a bad idea to have too many D-men.
What’s next Doug?
The clock is ticking …..tick……tick……tick……etc
Go Big or Go Home
by ChangoT on Aug 3, 2011 6:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
wow
didn’t check FTF for like 2 days and then i see we extend Burns AND get White :) good moves, DW. i’ve seen a lot of devils games cuz theyre prominant where i’m from and white’s a guy i’ve always liked/wanted. this is awesome……but does anyone have any idea about us getting Chimera? cuz i’d love him on our third line
Its been a nice evening
Sharks sign Burns for 5 yrs
Sharks sign White for 1yr, @ a discount.
I was watching a replay of Game 3 SJ v.s LA on NHL network. That was a great F’ing game, just made me cry alittle bit since Seto scored the game winner in OT.
I’m gonna miss that guy :^(
Go Big or Go Home
No more umbrellatricks =(
Worse yet, the hardy folk of St Paul and Minneapolis laugh at the idea of using an umbrella in anything short of a hurricane—Or to fight off the enormous mosquitos during the summer.
Now we have too many D-men...
LOL, what am I saying. You can never have too many D-men…
(can you?….)
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probably not
considering injuries and the toll taken on the body over the course of the season. let’s put it this way: i’d rather be relying on braun to step in during a pinch than kent huskins. hahahahahaha
Poorly done, sure... but it did take me ALL of 2 MINUTES...
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by sharkzfan on Aug 3, 2011 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
HAWT.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 3, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Eff you, I want the red one.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 3, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
We lost heatley.
Guess we had to get someone to replace the surplus of those stupid visors. DAMMIT.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 3, 2011 10:15 PM PDT reply actions
To be fair, they both had good reasons to wear them.
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LACES OUT EVIL DUCKS BRAH BAH BRAH BRAH BRAH.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 3, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
BANNED
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 4, 2011 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions
HAHA
This makes me miss the Ratto impersonations.
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Ray Ratto's moustache is on vacation at King's Table.
They still have King’s table, don’t they? God, I miss San Jose so much. :(
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 4, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The giant Heater visor has been replaced.
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by dfh15 on Aug 4, 2011 1:47 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I can now sleep peacefully.
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by dfh15 on Aug 4, 2011 1:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
WOW!
This is great! Im thinking Niemi is gunna have a better year with this D in front of him. There maybe some that worry about goal scoring with Heater and Seto gone, but it only takes one goal to win the game, and with a reliable defense shutting down the other team and Niemi making key saves, this Sharks team is looking levels better then when we had those two on offense.
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!
GO SHARKS!!!
Plus
More scoring will come from the blue line this year. Boyle will have fresh legs because of reduced ice time and should be potent on the PP. Burns will add a lot of pop both from the point and during the PP. Demers should flourish against weaker competition (3rd or 4th line). And to me, Havlat is an improvement over Heatley. Perhaps not in total offense, but he’s faster and takes fewer stupid penalties. You could argue that Heatley gets injured a lot now because he’s on the downside of his career (just ask Drew Remenda). Also, our PK s/b vastly improved by the addition of players like Handzus, etc…
So I’m fine with 2-1 or 3-2 wins, it makes for more excitment because the games s/b close.
Can’t wait. Go Sharks!!!
This team is still more than capable of lighting the lamp with the best of them...
This is probably the best team we have had entering the season… since… maybe ever..
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Plank, two comments
“There is no perceivable weakness on the unit with forty two days left to go until training camp begins.”
Babcock might argue the weakness for SJ still remains. He was recently quoted (last PO or right after?) as saying SJ was easy to defend as their puck always leaves the Dzone from the same right side. Seems we have more of the same as Boyle, Burns, and Demers are all righties. I’m not sure how valid or how much merit to give this complaint but it’s hard to argue against a guy like Babcock.
“Here’s how things should shake out on opening night:
Burns-Vlasic
Boyle-Murray
Demers-White
Vandermeer/Braun”
We agree on likely pairings but are we assuming by opening night Burns/Vlassic has the #1 pairing role?
I agree that may be the case as the season progresses, mainly due to managing minutes for Boyle/Murray (both in their 30’s by the way). By opening night I’d be surprised if it’s Vlassic/Burns in the #1 role. Dan is such a leader in the locker room and he is “the” leader of the backend. New contract or otherwise, I’d suspect TM has to work Boyle into the starting line up, at least, for a while.
If we’re so easy to defend, why did the Wings allow 3.00 GA/GM against the Sharks last season (regular season and post season combined). That’s not particularly good.
I think Burns/Vlasic will be the top pairing just based on talent. Vlasic is a better shutdown guy than Murray. Burns is younger and will be better than Boyle before too long (if he isn’t already better). But honestly, the defense as currently constructed, has three pairings that can all play 20+ minutes a night. So the #1 pairing, #2, #3 designations will come about just based on who gets matched up with who…and at this point, I’d be much more confident in Vlasic/Burns going up against the other team’s top line…but I wouldn’t feel unconfident in any of the three pairings being on the ice with them. We will see what happens, though.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Zero, it’s not a matter of who wins the series in the case of Babcock’s point. A weakness is still something that can be exploited. In fact, you could argue that Detroit took us to 7 games, and LA a pesky 6, because SJ has some weaknesses one of which he points out. I’m challenging Plank’s assessment of the SJ Defense having no weakness at all. I agree it’s many times stronger but think there is some merit to the idea that SJ’s breakout has always been weak. Either from talent, or to Babcock’s point, predictability.
Good points with the parity of the defensive pairs. However, I’d be surprised if TM starts Vlassic/Burns on opening night.
I’d point out that Zero didn’t argue who won the series. He argued that the Wings weren’t able to hold the Sharks under three goals a game on average between both regular season and postseason play. Babcock’s assessment seems flawed in that his team didn’t manage to exploit that flaw in the breakout in a way that effectively prevented the Sharks from achieving their stated goal of scoring three or more a game (as was McLellan’s mantra).
Would better breakouts from the Sharks have helped the Sharks win those series more quickly? Almost certainly. But I think it’s less of a glaring weakness than Babcock makes it sound.
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Breakouts start from the D-Men....
We will have a much imporved break out…I would almost put that on my Muhmmm.
by will_hunter23 on Aug 5, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
You totally failed to read what he wrote and just responded to what you wanted him to have said. He didn’t say anything about winning the series, because with such a close one, you’re right, that isn’t so relevant.
What he said was “why did the Wings allow 3.00 GA/GM against the Sharks last season (regular season and post season combined).”
What that means if that if there was a weakness (and since ‘puck handler+stay at home defensemen’ is such a common pairing, I’d dispute the idea that knowing which defensemen is going to have the puck is a weakness), Detroit had a hard time exploiting it.
And if we’re sitting with a weakness that Detroit can’t exploit well, I think I can sleep easy at night knowing we’ll be fine.
Warning – I went back read the posts, both mine and his. I’m not sure where you coming up with the idea that “responded to what you wanted him to have said”.
In fact just to make my point seem less offensive than it’s been taken, let’s look at Zero’s point…“If we’re so easy to defend, why did the Wings allow 3.00 GA/GM against the Sharks last season (regular season and post season combined). That’s not particularly good.”
When you look at it, the Sharks averaged right about 3 goals per game all year long. So a statistical wash in that regard but I don’t see how that point, nor winning games/series (which has more credibility than GF/GA) lends to the conversation.
Some irony is that I think your point has more foundation than Zero’s: “since ‘puck handler+stay at home defensemen’ is such a common pairing”
I agree there but it makes me wonder if seeing the puck come up from the right side of the defense on nearly every single entry is in fact a weakness or not. San Jose isn’t really known as a strong puck handling team, save for a few players, nor that fast, nor that capable with the puck on defense. Maybe being predictable made it just that lil bit easier to defend.
Wonder if anyone has the time to dig up stats on the effectiveness of bringing up the puck from different sides of the ice against Detroit.
I can clarify that for you if you like.
Zero said:
If we’re so easy to defend, why did the Wings allow 3.00 GA/GM against the Sharks last season (regular season and post season combined). That’s not particularly good.
And never addressed the fact that he was talking about goals against.
You said:
it’s not a matter of who wins the series in the case of Babcock’s point.
In fact, now you’re making Zero’s point for him.
When you look at it, the Sharks averaged right about 3 goals per game all year long.
As you clearly point out, the Red Wings, despite this “obvious weakness,” couldn’t stop the Sharks from continuing their offensive production on their season pace. If they were capitalizing on that “weakness” wouldn’t the Sharks have been less productive? And doesn’t it logically follow that if they didn’t produce that result then perhaps Babcock is overstating that thought?
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Auth0r, maybe I’m not stating my point clearly enough because the “evidence” that’s followed isn’t evidence at all. And you’re mis-quoting me as I never said “obvious weakness”. In fact here are a few of my quotes, which are consistent across my posts, and demonstrate your accuracy of quoting…
- Post 1: “not sure how valid or how much merit to give this”
- Post 2: “think there is some merit”
- Post 3 (in reference to warning’s idea challenging why) “I agree (with your idea) there”
I’ll back up though and say I’m simply offering the challenge, to encourage more depth of conversation on this forum, that other teams may think San Jose has a weakness because they’re defensive pairings are exactly the same: right side puck mover and left side defensive player.
I would love to see some data here if someone has the time.
Simply throwing out that Detroit couldn’t stop San Jose (in either wins or goals) doesn’t prove or disprove the potential weakness. You would need some statistical evidence that was relevant to SJ’s breakouts.
I don’t have any way that I know of to track successful zone breakouts without sitting and re-watching all the games and tallying each time. If you want to make that time commitment to make your point, feel free.
If you want some other tracked stats, how about these:
In the playoff series, Detroit had a total of 69 giveaways, 55 takeaways, and 207 shots in the playoff series in which Babcock made his claim. The Sharks had 75 giveaways, 58 takeaways, and 246 shots.
The Wings averaged 9.85 giveaways a game. The Sharks averaged 10.71. That’s essentially a difference of one a game. The Wings averaged 7.85 takeaways a game. The Sharks averaged 8.28. That’s not even half a takeaway a game. The Wings averaged 29.57 shots a game. The Sharks averaged 35.14. Meaning the Sharks took about five more shots a game.
Why are giveaways important? They’re not as important, really, since they’re about the player’s own action resulting in the other team getting the puck, but a high number probably would indicate mistakes made under pressure being increased. The fact that the teams are close implies that the Sharks weren’t feeling significantly more pressure than Detroit, which would be inconsistent with the Wings benefiting strongly from the Sharks’ defensive alignment.
Why are takeaways important? They’re about defensive pressure. If the defense is causing turnovers, this will be high. If Babcock had the Sharks so well scouted that they were easy to defend, the Sharks’ number here should be sky high. Instead, it’s the closest of the three stats.
Why are shots important? Because if you’re hemmed in your own zone because your breakouts are easy to defend, you should be trailing in zone-time and shots because the other team isn’t allowing you to leave defensive posture. Instead, the Sharks led this stat. I’m leaving zone-time out at the moment because it’d take me more time than I want to spend to gather.
Goals against isn’t a perfect stat in this situation, but if it is occurring at season average rates that implies that a particular defense is not being substantially more effective against a team than the rest of the league as a whole. When a somewhat bold claim such as “easily defended” is levied and then key offensive stats are at observed occurring at season average levels, it should weaken that claim accordingly.
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And by the way, since I reread what you said here and realized you decided to take some potshots at me there.
I wasn’t quoting you. I was expressing sarcasm over the word “weakness.” Because I firmly believe it’s something Babcock threw out there to cover his ass as he was losing the series.
Kind of like you worrying about two words that were “misquoted” instead of actually responding to criticism of your argument by providing a concrete reason why goals against isn’t a useful stat in this situation.
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I don’t see any reason for the intensity between fans of the same team. Least of all when neither party has been out of line.
I’m hopeful the next time we’re all engaged in the same thread it’s on more constructive and positive terms. Supporting Teal and supporting the same cause at FtF.
Dude, you directed veiled insults at both my intelligence and integrity.
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nothing I said should have been interpreted that way. Really we’re all supporting the same team and the same goals.
maybe I’m not stating my point clearly enough because the "evidence" that’s followed isn’t evidence at all.
demonstrate your accuracy of quoting…
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there’s nothing veil about asking you to take your time when quoting other FtF members. And certainly it isn’t insulting your intelligence or integrity.
I made an attempt at restating my point for the purposes of being clear. I could insinuate that insults have been thrown both ways but we’re both above that type of posting.
I’ve offered no direct insults and have shared my hope for future exchanges on positive grounds.
With over 6,500 posts yourself, you’re already well established. And your rep is well known.
... You take offence to this?
Overreacting FTW.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 6, 2011 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
meh
I can see both points. There was hostility on both sides, even if it was polite hostility.
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by PNK on Aug 6, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Good sir, I do find your remark rather unconscionable.
Your vulgar tone is most unappealing, and I must say it’s not untypical of you!
Polite hostility? :D
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 6, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm neutral in this
But think you are over-reacting. You both made valid and/or interesting points and are over-debating this (which would be fine if it wasn’t getting heated). I’m not seeing the insults.
by Snoops on Aug 5, 2011 8:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You might be right.
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by Auth0r on Aug 5, 2011 9:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not that you were being offensive
it’s that you were totally off topic. You wanted his point to be “we won the series, so Darin, you’re wrong” and you successfully refuted that. But that’s not what he was saying.
What he was saying was much simpler: if we were so easy to defend against, why did we score so much? Either we’re just such badasses that we can overcome that weakness with ease (against the Detroit Red Wings, no less), or the weakness isn’t much of a weakness at all.
Either way, we’re fine.
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We now have the twenty million dollar Blueline! I love DW’s moves this offseason, (not a Huskins or Wallin in the bunch)! Now we just need to sign a 3rd line winger (Wellwood or Madden would be my choice) or two and we will be ready to hand Vancouver its ass! Go Sharks!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
What's going on with Ethan Moreau?
I noticed his name still in the UFA pool on capgeek.
Would he be a decent option?
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Better Defense
Has potential to open up the offense and let Joe play more offensively. This is an intriguing lineup and yet I still feel there’s one more piece coming. P.S. Nolan has a tryout contract with VAN. Blargh.
derp.
WTF NOLAN?!?!
Im happy he has a tryout, but come on meow,in my mind he dosnt fit in there unless he is trying for a nickname change from ‘Buster’ to ‘McDiver’…
by sharkblood99 on Aug 4, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i love how you guys say this stuff with a straight face
by Wisp on Aug 4, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Valid point.
But the Sharks don’t nearly have the same reputation as the ’Nucks
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I see...
Franzen being a dick, as usual. And Thornton being tired of it and trying to get a call (with one of the worst dives ever). The dive was called a penalty, which automatically takes us out of the equation, since Vancouver dives 20 times a game, and usually gets penalty calls in their favor for it.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
lets put the moose on the table.
San Jose is insisting on this reputation because we beat you.
The entire NHL fanbase (minus Vancouver) is insisting upon this reputation.
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by PNK on Aug 4, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
This.
Honestly, I was actually rooting for Vancouver for the first few games of the SC finals.
I had to switch my temporary allegiance to Boston because I was so disgusted with the Canucks.
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This-this.
I was set to root for Vancouver because I know a bunch of Bostonians who migrated here in the 80s when that city was on the decline and the Silicon Valley was on the uptick. Great people, wonderful people, love them to death—But it’s been almost 30 years now and they still weep bitter tears every time the Red Sox lose a meaningless inter-league game in May. And they get all gung-ho about the Patriots and how THIS will be the year, for sure, and the mighty-mighty Bruins. The first-generation folks who moved here in the 80s, I get it. But their kids who have never been east of the Mississippi? Yurgh.
Sorry, got distracted on a tangent. Anyhow, I was all set to root for Vancouver, but then they started falling all over the place, making idiot comments (pump this, Luo), and deciding to not play on the road. Just couldn’t stand them by the end of it.
San Jose is insisting on this reputation because we beat you.
Who got dominat…err…lost in the SCFs? I don’t remember. I only remember who won, and it wasn’t Vancouver.
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Twittaaaaaaahhh
By the end of it...
They WERE being dominated…
Absolutely THRASHED out of the finals, and even on their home ice.
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Sure. That's it. The entire NHL is jealous of you.
That’s why almost the entire hockey world united to root for Boston.
BOSTON!
We hate Boston! **** the Sawx, the Pats, the Celtics. And your squad united a continent behind that city and their fans. Do you have any idea how impossible that idea seemed to me even six months ago? We rested easily, knowing that no matter how obnoxious that New England accent got they still had a 40 year drought in hockey, the most important sport.
People found it preferable to let them gloat about being the greatest sports city in North America because of titles in all 4 major sports in the last 7 years, where the PATS are the ones with the longest drought despite an 18-0 start in 2008 over, to hear ESPN talk about them endlessly, because the idea of your team winning was WORSE.
The last time this many people were happy about Boston doing something, tea was being dumped into a harbor. So congratulations. You didn’t get a silvery cup of triumph, but you got the rest of us to do something we tend to only do every couple hundred years or so.
by Kazoonole on Aug 4, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 14 recs
Hahahaha
Well said.
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I forgot who said this, but there are little kids in Boston who have seen all 4 major sports teams win a championship. Lucky bastards.
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Fuck you Vancouver for making the SCF’s this last year turn into an absolute shit show on the same level as watching Italy play soccer…
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I would say Spain...
but the Italians are pretty bad too…
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Spain has nothing on Italy...
Seriously… Watch ANY Serie A match… ANY of them…
You cant watch one for more than 25 minutes without seeing 3 dives and a blind ref. Period.
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Agreed...
But I can’t get over the fact of Iniesta constantly diving in the World Cup because a gust of wind hit him…
But I guess the World Cup shouldn’t count, EVERYONE (except the US…) was diving…
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The thought of Iniesta in the World Cup finals makes me so angry.
I thought I had buried those memories. Damn you. Damn. You.
SO I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE?!?!?
Sweet…
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It's not like the Netherlands wasn't doing the same though...
I was pissed at my orange boyos… Robben was being a retarded fish half the time.
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I'm glad
others see Italy as a horrible, boring, cheating, shameless team as well. Who plays nothing but defense just to flop out side of the box to get a free kicks and force a goal to then just sit back for the rest of the game and do nothing but defend to win…. Italy does.
Every European team does this.
Except the little guys, like Slovenia. They rocked. But England, Germany, Spain, France, Italy, etc., etc. make the sport and all it fans look like effeminate ninnies who can’t be tough to save their lives. Watching a soccer game these days is like watching that Monty Python sketch, Upper-Class Twit of the Year.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 6, 2011 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Not quite...
Italy’s entire gameplan is focused around getting ONE goal and then passing it in the backfield in some boring attempt to fuck up the beautiful game.
What does Brazil do when they score? What does Germany do when they score? They try to score 4 more… and they do… Italy meanwhile scores one, and then pussies out.
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Honestly
I think I was probably happier to see the Italians bow out before the knock-out rounds more than my own team winning. Fuck Italian soccer
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The only good thing about Italian soccer is Wesley Sneijder...
And he’s not even Italian…
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Agreed
He was a stud in throughout the entire thing. Him and Arjen Robben (Rubberband man). Fuck Spain anyway, my Germans had that game, but they changed their attack strategy and sat back there like they were last year’s Sharks team with the lead.
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Forget Spain...
They dove worse than the Canucks (but not as bad as the Italians…)
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I was SO happy to see New Zealand draw with them...
Seriously, that was the best thing I’ve ever seen… and I was watching it with a bunch of guys who were wearing black rugby shirts, it was great.
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Damn! Someone got fucked up!
I just want to say thank you to the hockey gods for not letting Vancouver get away with their cheap and shameless play last year! I would have rather we won but with the refs still not seeing what Van was doing game in and game out until the Finals and with our injuries it couldn’t be. But for them to get so close after wanting the cup and thinking that they were gonna get it by cheating their way to it, and losing was priceless!!!!! In the end it was like watching a movie where you think the douche bag bad guy is gonna get away with it, and then BAM, he gets his ass kicked and doesn’t get away with it!
This is the greatest thing I’ve read tonight.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Torched.
Excellent burn. I have a lot of friends in Boston and love that city, almost like a second home… but the whole Boston Sports fan thing has always been especially obnoxious. I can only hope this changes now that pretty much everyone is blowing it except the Bruins. Sox have been spotty at best this season ,I don’t follow football but everytime they’re raving about it on ESPN while I’m at the gym, the patriots aren’t even mentioned, and the Celtics got ousted from the NBA playoffs early this past season (don’t follow basketball, sorry if that’s a bit inaccurate).
I can’t lie, I was cheering for the B’s as the dark horse in the east since the beginning of the season. In the pool we had going for the SC, only two people picked the B’s to go to the final- and once the Sharks were out, I was the only one to still think they could beat out the ’Nucks. And they seemed to beat them harder as the series went on.
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Why oh why do they insist that “they are not the only divers” and “every team dives” to justify the extent that they do it? And Joe’s dive was a penalty because it’s such a rarity for him to do that that he can’t sell it. Ugh!
by sharksfanwithajd on Aug 8, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No, because it's true
And I have a fancy gif too!
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by mymclife on Aug 4, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
totally fair
I just posted the original gif it to inject some levity. I remember a lot of diving from your last two series with detroit, just trying to point out no one is innocent. You did it more then just that one time, too, a lot more.
That doesn’t make it okay for Van to do it I wish every team would knock it off. I’m definitely not okay with that. But San Jose did do it. Boston did it too. Neither of those two teams were under the microscope Van was.
Note both the Habs, Lightning, and Canucks all got heavily criticized for diving in the playoffs. I’m not calling conspiracy, but I do think the Boston media in good at stirring the pot.
also I gotta say, I’m really surprised at the response. I didn’t think Fear the Fin had such a vicious victim complex going. Used to be one of my favorite forums to lurk in, and it’s not so friendly anymore.
Hope more people try to look past the narrative and to look at things objectively and drop the intense hate in the future. I don’t blame you. But I don’t think it’s not so black and white.
I’m out now, I’ll stop bothering you. But do me a favor? Try not to boo the Canadian anthem at hockey games anymore. Not cool. Maybe that’s where some of your bad hockey karma is coming from?
You can't be mad at the responses you get when you post flame-bait.
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I'm not mad. A little sad
Did both our communities not have amusing photoshop wars before the conference finals started?
admittedly, not my photoshop, not an invitation to a photoshop war, but I figured given the history it wouldn’t be perceived as hostile
that was my mistake
again I’m sorry to bother you guys
It’s probably because you’re not a familiar face around here and saying “i love how you guys say this stuff with a straight face” sounds hostile.
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Exactly
Missy could come in here and post that with less of a reaction because she established herself already. Or a Sharks fan could post that, and probably get posters to concede the point. That it’s someone who has only had (as of now) 11 comments makes it look like a bit of a troll.
We don’t mean to scare you away, we’ve just been burned by trolls before (some outside fans, some fellow Sharks fans, and one memorable Shark hater masquerading as a Sharks fan) and are still somewhat dealing with the fallout of it.
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Freedom of speech
As I see it, whether people agree with you or not, you’re welcome to post here anytime. I like FTF because it’s not a 100% Sharks only homer site. If you articulate your points, there’s always room for another point of view. That’s what makes it interesting. I personally like getting view points from where other fans sit. I’ve taken a lot of crap on here for pointing out how good Corey Perry (MVP) is.
As to the finals last year; I was embarrased by the finger biting incident and the diving by all teams in the playoffs. This isn’t FIFA Soccer for crimany sakes, it’s the NHL, the toughest pro league in all of professional sport IMO. They need to find a way to take diving out of the game, especially in the playoffs when the national media is trying to showcase the sport.
I think if you took a national poll, most would agree that Vancouver does have a reputation as being a diving team. It’s a smart tactic if you can get away with it and so if the league tried harder to penalize the act, perhaps that would help to get it out of the game.
people dive in every sport
It sucks, but it just seems to be a fact of the modern world. I don’t know why soccer is the only one with a reputation for it. I guess because it’s “foreign.”
It is WAY worse in soccer. Or they're just WAY less convincing.
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The Sharks and Canucks were whipping their heads back at the slightest touch in that series. I don’t think it’s that much better.
They definitely were. Can't disagree there.
And I agree it happens in most sports (although, I’m not sure there’s a diving equivalent in football or baseball). And it is a problem.
But it just seems like when it happens in those other sports its noteworthy, while in soccer, it’s just a part of the game.
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i’d say it happens quite a lot in basketball, a sport with way more fouls, and in which it’s perfectly legal to blatantly throw yourself into the defending player as you shoot to draw a call. I’d argue you don’t gain that much of a consistent advantage from diving in baseball/football, but those players cheat in plenty of other ways more specific to their sports. I’m not a fan of it, but I think players will usually try to win games however they can, for better or for worse.
Yeah, agreed.
And (semi-tangent) for a “non-contact” sport, there sure is a lot of it in basketball.
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It's pretty bad everywhere...
But… the writhing on the ground in soccer makes it way worse…
Joe Thornton didn’t writhe on the ground like he got shot or something…
Neither did Sedin. Neither did anyone really…
Meanwhile, you see the Italians play and if a brush of wind hits them, they hit the deck like they were just taken out by a grenade.
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In PE I used to dive in handball.
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Please
You posting that would be like me walking into Nucks Misconduct and saying the Nucks just can’t get it done in the playoffs, they’re all soft, don’t have the heart or grit, etc.
While the Canucks have some form of history of that, it doesn’t stack up to our own and nobody that roots for the Sharks should bring it up.
There are 10,000 cliche’s out there for that, it’s not our fault you pitched a slow floater across the plate and every sarcastic bastard here tee’d off on it.
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I will say one thing
I think it is absolutely DISGRACEFUL when fans boo any nation’s national anthem. I have never done so and have always reprimanded it when given the opportunity.
I don’t particularly ever remember hearing it at the Shark tank, but that doesn’t mean it’s never happened.
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by PNK on Aug 5, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Although I will say I don’t think I’ve heard anyone do that in a while…
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by HeatersLeadingLady on Aug 5, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It happened during the series with Edmonton. People were booing because they showed Chris Pronger on the jumbotron, not because of any American pride or anti-Canadianism or anything.
I mean, Sharks fans boo the word “star” in our own national anthem when we play the Stars. Doesn’t mean we hate America. We just really, really hate the Stars. Likewise, we really, really hate Chris Pronger.
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I wish he was shipped to russia.
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When Canadian teams play in San Jose... I sing both anthems.
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Holy fuck, are you for real?
The Boston press was calling the Canucks the Canadian Olympic Diving team. Last time I checked, they neither wore teal nor did they lose to Vancouver.
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by Noctro on Aug 4, 2011 11:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're welcome for sure.
It’s just that if you’re going to post inflammatory stuff you better be ready to see it in return.
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The Canucks never faced lightsaber-wielding team.
Jumbo was so brave to crawl off the ice, get his shins sewn back on (by Patrick Marleau, who coincidentally was doing needlepoint on the bench at the time) and score 50 unanswered hat tricks to defeat the Wings in OT.
Although I may not remember all the details exactly right.
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by jwizzle241 on Aug 4, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
By the way
Sharks love boy (well rather, man), Owen Nolan has accepted a tryout to (guess who!)…the Vancouver Canucks….
Just thought I’d spread the word…
He'll never make the team...
He doesn’t dive nearly enough to crack that roster…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
and we all know
to be considered the best overall team last year (and why it took all the anylsts until the finals to figure it out is beyond me) you have to know how to dive, but dive shamelessly, dramatically and consistenly.
With Kessler
Sidelined with his hip injury, it is possible that Nolan makes the team (if he can still skate at all?). Vancouver could use the toughness and leadership that Buster brings. It’s sad that SJ isn’t interested in him, oh well…
CURTIS BROWN
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OZOLINSH!!!
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 4, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Vernon was one of my favorite players back in the day.
I don’t think I’ve ever liked a goalie as much as I liked him. Then again, when you’re nine years old save percentage isn’t as important as flashy kick saves, so…
GAUDREAU!
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by PNK on Aug 5, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
This breaks my heart
:(
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by HeatersLeadingLady on Aug 5, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Well Shit on a Stick
I guess I better cancel my Owen Nolan jersey order
Just kidding, but I thought this could be the yr he comes back
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To me the D is complete. Now we just have to see if White can move up to the 1st or 2nd line when needed and also see how well Vandameer works out.
My only questions that are left are on the 3rd line with the offense??
1. Can we realistically replace Wellwood with someone who can score a lot more and move up to the 2nd line if needed? And with who?
2. With all the estimates of the Sharks remaining cap space, does that include Wellwood’s salary or would it open up more if we let him go? I think with the addition of White from what I’ve seen it leaves us at around 4 mil.
3. How much does that leave us with DW also trying to extend Couture?
4. Mitchell??? to me he’s too small for the role he trys to play. I see a lot of running around trying to check and skate but not much coming out of it. Could we somewhere down the line of next season replace him with a grittier (Clowe like) 3rd line scorer?
5. Paul Gausted. With his size, is he too slow, overpriced or not good enough for what we need on our 3rd line?
Just trying to figure out what realistic options are out there to replace Wellwood and maybe Mitchell to complete the team as far as how I see it.
Wellwood & Cooch
Wellwood is not currently under contract, so any amount you sign him to will count against this years cap. You could extend Cooch and it wouldn’t count until next season. I’m guessing that they’re either working on it or will be soon. As for Mitchell, I love his hustle but agree with you that he’s mostly not very effective. This is his final year under contract, let’s hope he does good or I’m guessing he’s gone…
Thanks
I didn’t know he only had one more year on his contract. I was willing to at least give him till the trade deadline this year to see if he improves with his leg supposedly finally being 100%. But now I’m 100% o.k with him since you just told me he only has one more year left anyway. I think it’s a win, win.
1. I think the general consensus is that DW may be looking for a more defensively-minded forward than Wellwood for the 3rd line. Ferriero is probably the substitute if a member of the top 6 gets hurt. He’s shown some chemistry with Clowe & Couture.
2. At this point we basically have let Wellwood go. He is a UFA. His salary isn’t counting against our cap because he doesn’t have a contract. I think we’ve still got $4.5-5 mil in cap space assuming Mike Moore is put in Worcester.
3. Not sure how much Couture is going to want on this contract. DW usually gives out a short term, low money deal to RFA’s their first time around, but Couture is likely ahead of the curve. Maybe 1-2 years for $3 mil per? Cap space doesn’t look like it will be too much of a problem next year with Nitty coming off the book and only 3rd/4th liners to resign.
4. Mitchell can get muscled off the puck a bit, but he is very fast (now that his legs seem healed). I think he can still be an effective 3rd liner/PKer.
5. I’d still jump at the chance to get either Hecht or Gaustad. But is sounds like Buffalo may just bury Kotalik in the minors to solve their cap problems.
As far as targets go you can put a maybe next to Hecht, Gaustad, Chimera, Moreau (I asked earlier about him) and maybe a vet like Madden. Although I suspect we’ll just start the year with Ferriero on the 3rd line and trade for someone midseason. 3rd liners aren’t as hard to acquire as 2nd pairing D, so we could get someone pretty good.
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Doan may be a realistic possibility….Well, aside fromt hat salary cap thing.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 4, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
And that whole No Move Clause thing...
I could see him going back east a lot easier than I could see him heading up to San Jose… No way Phoenix wants to trade the face of their franchise to a Division rival…
That’s like If we traded Nolan to them in 2003… It would be terrible.
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The only thing to counter that I have is that this is the last year of his contract, so he could go wherever he wants after that. They’d see him maybe once in teal? Probably still unlikely, but meh.
I think we'd go after someone a little more under the radar...
He’d be a sure-fire rental at that point for us, because it’s pretty damn possible that he wouldn’t return to San Jose at seasons end…
Therefore, I doubt we’d give up as much for him as other teams might who are trying to get someone to give them a playoff push, rather than someone just to stack the bag.
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I think a “hidden” value of our deep defense is that we can afford to use Ferriero, McGinn, Desjardins, and Andrew Murray/McCarthy/Mashinter in the season and trust the defense to help cover for any mistakes they may make. That’ll be good for their growth and hopefully they can grow into the parts we want them to be or at least let them show enough to make them good trade chips.
In that light, I wouldn’t be amazed to see this roster start the season.
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On the same token, if we don’t start using these Worcester guys now with a semi loaded defense, when will we ever. If Ferriero, McGinn and Desjardins don’t play 30 games this year we’re making a mistake.
by Dermal Denticles on Aug 4, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed.
At some point, you have to see what the kids have got. Now seems like a good time to do that with the rest of the team stacked.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
McGinn
I think McGinn and Desjardins are already “penciled” into the opening day line up – Ferriero will have to earn his spot out of camp, although he has a leg up on the other ‘rookies’.
The thing with McGinn is he has one more game to play and he’ll have to clear waivers to go back and forth between the NHL and AHL. He is the type of player that quite a few teams would pick up.
Yeah, I think this really is McGinn’s make or break year with the Sharks. It’ll be on him to prove he can be a consistent, useful part of this lineup.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 4, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree but
I want that cup and next year looks really good to try and go for it. I don’t think we have to be in kind of rush now until the trade deadline (at least I think so if we can replace Wellwood before the start of the season). I think TM should be given at least until then to play as many kids as he can. But come playoff time we better have a solid 3rd line !%$ *!!!@ 3rd line, that’s allI’m saying.
Oh I agree
but I think the Worcester guys are more than capable of being on that third line, and doing a helluva job at it. If they can’t prove that come the trade deadline, which I think they will, we have 4 million dollars in cap space to go sign wallin and huskins. kidding
by Dermal Denticles on Aug 4, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Burns used to be a forward. We’ll just move him over. That’s why we have 8 d-men under contract, right?
Thanks for anwering all the questions jwizzle241
1. I kind of diagree with this one cause I think DW is always going to be looking for a 7th scoring fwd. He’s done so well in the past bringing in the likes of Cheecho, Seto and now Couture that I don’t think he’ll stop at trying to find a low cost shooting star to switch with Pavelski or Havlat.
2. This cap space with what we already have is fucking Awsome!
3. Glad to hear that Couture’s extension won’t hurt this years cap and as much as I don’t want to see Nitty go, he is an expensive ass back up, where for what we’re paying him can be put to better use.
4. I’m giving Mitchell till the trade deadline to see if I’m wrong, hopefully they’re right that his play should get better. Thankfully douchebags just told me he only has a year left anyway.
5. I still say Gausted is my #1 I’d go for right now in place of Wellwood. I’m not sold on any of the others.
And I’m still hoping DW can somehow work his magic and bring in a top scoring young, cheap (Setto, Cheecho like) 3rd liner that can skate with the top 2 line big dogs in place of Mitchell. Then for now, the team I want will be complete.
not sure what you mean by bringing in top scoring young and cheap
both seto and cheech were 1st round picks that we drafted and brought through our system. you’re not gonna get those from any team for cheap. you basically have to have those guys already in your farm system.
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I see
well then I guess that means we won’t be getting one this year. I still want Gausted on the team though, and then…. shit, I don’t know how we can get another winger that has speed, can roll with the top two lines and score. I guess it was more of a dream to have a top 7th scoring forward come out of nowhere this year.
Should we be worried about San Jose’s speed on the 3rd and 4th lines, besides Mitchell who isn’t that strong??? It wasn’t that fast last year and now that Pav is moving up and we replaced him with Handzus, they haven’t gotten any faster. I always thought overall speed was gonna be a part of the sharks game with how it’s changed? I guess wanting Gausted doesn’t really help this either…
The biggest problem I’ve seen with the Sharks is that they’re either really fast and not gritty enough or try to be grittier and then not that fast? I guess this year is the first where I’ve seen the biggest balance of the two. What makes me nervous is that I’m noticing a big dynamic between the top 2 lines. But I guess DW will still make at one more move. And to better the team we are planning on playing a lot of our kids so, I just need patience to see how this works out
1. There are a few options out there or Wilson may try and replace him from within. After watching some Sharks-Kings series replays I just don’t understand how Wellwood has 0 offers on the table, he’s a puck control monster and I’m annoyed we haven’t brought him back. My only guess is we want a PK focused forward to replace him.
2. Wellwood isn’t counting against our cap and Couture’s cap is set for this year. We could hypothetically sign him for 10m the following year and he’ll only count 1.25m against the cap this year.
3. With the current cap we have 12m in space in which to sign 9 players including Couture next year, this year he’s already easily within the cap.
4. You don’t need size to be an effective checking forward, I’d love to see you tell Scott Nichol he’s too small to cause havoc out there. Mitchell is blazing fast and is finally recovered from his leg injuries. His hands weren’t always stone, perhaps they’ll break out of their shell again this year with some real support from the blueline to keep the other team honest. That said there are power forwards in the prospects that could theoretically play that role. Mashinter comes to mind (I think he should be on the 4th with Desi and McGinn though)
5. What would we trade for him? We’re really low on picks and available prospects. I don’t really want to trade much else, I guess Braun might be available.
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Well gosh darn it…
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How about 2 years from now?
When Vlasic, Murray, and Demers are all free agents. =S
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Petrecki isn’t ready to play the in the NHL yet, but if he can continue to develop he is the perfect replacement for what will be a 33/34 year old Murray, either next year or the year after.
But really, a D core of Burns, Vlasic, Demers (Boyle) is something to really build around. Assuming Braun isn’t involved in any kind of trade you can add him to that list as well.
I’d imagine Doherty will likely be ready for the NHL in two years as well, if not sooner.
The Sharks prospect pool is very, very deep on D and goaltending. Now, if they can just fix that whole ‘the forward prospects suck’ thing.
I was
excited to Petrecki and wanted to see the new kid Pelech. But I want the cup more right now so they’re gonna have to wait until after we win it. I wouldn’t mind turning full circle next year to just start concentrating on the farm for a few years and all the kids S.J has as a whole if we win the cup. Even if it means we don’t try to win it two years in a row. Just to grow the team back up again for this decade.
From what I heard our farm system and overall picks have been taking big hits with us trying to sort of force a Cup win.
Slow your role
We all want the Cup player, but let’s not jump ahead here. This team reminds me of the super hot chick at school that smiled at you in the hall and from that you extrapolated that she somehow was yours for the taking. San Jose will have to prove, that in the playoffs, they have what it takes to get over. So far that has not happened, not even close. I want a parade in San Jose just as much as you, but they will have to prove to me by their play (not their words) that they have what it takes and it’s a long, slow grind. Can’t wait!!!
I think our lack of picks and prospects is somewhat over-hyped. We had, if I remember right, 6 picks in 7 rounds of this year’s draft. Two years ago people said we had no defensive prospects and now people are wondering where we’re going to put them. Most of the national media still claims we need goalies, but we have at least three goalies competing for two AHL slots.
We’ve definitely traded away picks and prospects, but despite what a lot of the media thinks, the cupboard isn’t bare.
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by Auth0r on Aug 5, 2011 9:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Very happy with this move, and our D in general...
Still need that lefty FWD, though…
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by Noctro on Aug 4, 2011 11:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
OT Prospect info...
Not sure if anyone is interested but Sharks 2011 2nd round pick, Matt Nieto, has been invited to the US WJC camp.
Sgarbossa & Hamilton are currently at Canada’s camp, although neither has any chance to make the team…it should be a very good learning experience for them.
Thats way cool!
Im hoping Sgarbossa can get into Worcester this year, I wanna see what he can do in the AHL.
by sharkblood99 on Aug 5, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
He can’t play in the AHL this year…there’s an age limit (sam reason Hamilton won’t be in the AHL this year).
I mean, Sgarbossa is 19, does he have to older to play in the AHL?
by sharkblood99 on Aug 5, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
So the OHL falls under the CHL guidelines?
by sharkblood99 on Aug 5, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
CHL stands for Canadian Hockey League – basically the overarching league in which all the Major Junior leagues play (OHL, WHL, and QMJHL). The CHL is in charge of the Memorial Cup, which is what the best teams from each league play for after their own league championship.
And the age minimum for the AHL is 20 years old, although I believe those who go the NCAA route are exempted. It’s so the NHL teams don’t poach all their draft picks from their major junior teams.
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OK, so the CHL is Canadian Hockey League, not the Central Hockey League, got it, and the NHL can have someone like Marlaeu or Crosby playing in their teens but if their respective team were to send them down at the time before either was 20, said player wouldnt play in their minor affiliate, like “IF” Edmonton sent Hall down last season, he wouldnt play in the AHL but one of the leagues of the CHL?
Sorry for so many questions, just getting my head around it…
Mymclife is correct – the age limit is 20 (The exemption is players born between Sept 15 – Dec 31) and it’s there to keep NHL from poaching talent.
The CHL rules are fairly strict – I believe a prospect can play 9 NHL games (for a player who will play in the CHL) and still be sent to their CHL club w/o burning a year of their ELC (Entry level contract) and needing to spend that year in the NHL.
**Disclaimer – I haven’t read the CHL transfer rule in a couple of years. If I get some time I’ll try to find this particular rule again.
One more thing...
There are no NHL / CHL affiliates – the CHL holds it’s own draft for it’s players.
Sorry for multiple posts...
If you want to read the reasons / rules / agreement in a way that’s written for normal people to understand, you can go here:
http://prospectsannex.blogspot.com/2010/04/nhlchl-agreement-why-juniors-have-to-be.html
WOW, right on!!!
Thanks milanahalek, that clears it up for me.
by sharkblood99 on Aug 8, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Can't Wait To Get Going
DW has really outdone himself this off season. His moves have been nothing short of brilliant and now there are zero excuses for this franchise not to win a cup in the next couple of years.
This August is going way to slowly.
This August
I don’t know if he’ll fit everyone’s definition of shining, but I think Sharks fans will be pleasantly surprised by Desjardins. He’s a hard worker, happy to PK, pretty strong on the dot, and he gets feisty. He’s a lot like Nichol in a lot of good ways and is slightly larger. Totally unrealistic to expect Couture numbers out of him, but he could be the rock of the fourth line and hopefully valuable on the kill.
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by Auth0r on Aug 5, 2011 2:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
PETRECKI!!!!!
WAIT! darn it…
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If you get a chance to go to the early pre-season games you’ll get a chance to see a lot of the kids at work.
Desjardins is definitely going to be hard to beat out for the 4th line center spot.
I think Mashinter will come into camp w/ his eye on earning a spot as well.
A couple of guys who will likely see some NHL time at some point this season are McCarthy, Wingels, McLaren (maybe) and I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see Viedensky get some games. None of these guys are the “shine” type but a couple may surprise you.
Desjardins
That guy is like a big Nichol without an injury history. He’s going to be relentless out there, other teams are going to hate him
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 6, 2011 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True story.
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We still have cap space.
Let’s sign 27 more defensemen.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 5, 2011 4:23 PM PDT reply actions
which is equal to about 1.3 Kent Huskins.
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Aug 5, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
At least when it comes to caring...
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We could get a 3rd pairing of McCabe/Hanan!
Burns/Vlassic
Boyle/Murray
McCabe/Hanan
Demers/White
Braun/Vandermeer
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There's an upside and a downside to this deal
The upside is we just signed a #3 defensemen, who’ll get to play #6, for 1M, which is awesome.
The downside is October became that much harder to wait for.
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