Sharks core slowly changing
A few years ago, it was clear who the Sharks were building around. Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Evgeni Nabokov and Dan Boyle were the core, the vital organs of the San Jose franchise.
That, however, seems to be changing.
Don't take this the wrong way. Aside from Nabokov, whose time with the Sharks is gone, I've just named three players on whom the Sharks success next season hinges upon. Joe Thornton remains the captain and likely scoring leader, Patrick Marleau has become a dependable source for thirty to forty goals a season, and Dan Boyle is the foundation of the team's now formidable blue line.
However, when you look at the Sharks roster, you begin to see that these players aren't as young as they once were. And while they still have some serviceable years ahead of them, the elite "core" may not be as exclusive as it once was.
All you have to do is look at some of the Sharks recent signings. After trading for Brent Burns, a young all-star defenseman, and signing him to a long-term contract, the team extended the burgeoning Logan Couture for two years beyond the upcoming season. Marc-Edouard Vlasic is inked for the next two years as well, as is Jason Demers.
Just one of those players is over 25 (Burns, who is 26). Add to that group of youngsters Joe Pavelski and Ryane Clowe, who are 27 and 28 respectively, and you have yourself a decent building block.
That's something the Sharks will need in the future.
Thornton, Marleau and Boyle still have some good seasons in them, and if the Sharks are going to advance to the Stanley Cup Finals for the first time in team history, these players will have to be a big part of that. They won't be around forever, though.
Luckily, even as general manager Doug Wilson has played fast and loose with his first round draft picks (only two first rounders [Couture and Nick Petrecki] selected by San Jose since 2000 remain with the team), he's built a roster that will remain competitive even as Thornton and his crew enter the twilight of their careers.
It may not yet be a changing of the guard, but the replacements are definitely in waiting.
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Petrecki
So what’s the deal on him? With the depth of the blueline, I doubt he’ll be on the team this year, but when can be expected in San Jose (if ever)?
Talking with people who watch (and write for) Worcester – here’s what they say:
Petrecki was too big for College, he got by for the 2 years he was at BC by just being the biggest/strongest guy on the ice – he was able to play defense by just knocking guys down, he didn’t really play positional defense. It got to the point that after 2 years, college hockey wasn’t going to work for him or help in his development. He needed to be playing against guys his size.
His first year in the AHL was more or less a disaster, he wasn’t the biggest or strongest anymore and forwards had no problem abusing him. His 2nd year was a 180, he was much, much better in almost all aspects of the game.
When you look at Petrecki’s development you need to look to a guy like Douglas Murray – he was 25 when he played his first NHL game. Big, strong defensive d-men take a while to develop. I would imagine Petrecki should be able to play a few NHL games next (12/13) season.
If a serious injury bug hits the Sharks D this year, he could get a few games this year as well, but I wouldn’t count on it.
by milanahalek on Aug 31, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
If I can add, with White and Murray expiring this year, Petrecki is going to have a real shot at cracking the roster in 2012-2013.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 31, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Murray
Has 2 more years on his contract, but I agree, Petrecki will be given a shot next year – I’m just not sure he’ll be ready/good enough yet.
He’s apparantly been working on his skating / foot work (speed) this offseason, hopefully he shows as much improvement as he did from year 1 in the AHL to year two.
I realized that as soon as I typed it. I meant Vandermeer.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 31, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Really Petrecki is only 6’3" which really isn’t thaat big. I’m the same height, and Taylor Doherty is 6’7". He must’ve just bulked up a lot earlier than most kids.
That’s another one that’s kinda weird to me. Drew Remenda will go on for days about how Douglass Murray is a massive human being and all that but it’s like, have you ever watched football Remenda??
Murray and Petrecki are both solid, super strong dudes i’m sure, but they aren’t giants or anything.
Murray is huge and lean and muscular. Football players are either slim and fast or fat for a living.
by meetyourmako on Aug 31, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't really call Murray
LEAN.
He’s a pretty solid dude. Just not the “chunky” style solid of NFL linemen.
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I’ll pay you $10 to go to training camp and say that.
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Even if he's talking about linemen,
Lineman being stereotypically girthy and all, most of the linemen in my high school league back in the day were just muscular guys with huge frames. You know, a broad body without actually being fat. I was fat AND had a broad body. Was good for 3 tackles on d-line in the only game I got any decent play time. XD
But anyway. Fatness has nothing to do with it. It’s more important that you have a large body in general. Less room for them to run through.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
HOLDUP. People play HS football in Canada?!?
jk
But seriously, which rules did you play under? CFL or NFL?
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CFL.
I can’t even imagine playing with four downs. That would virtually guarantee a touchdown every possession. Three downs is perfect, IMHO.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, in fairness, I lived in Sarnia then, right on the Michigan border.
There are plenty of school boards that don’t have enough interest to build a football team, but southwestern Ontario is distinctly Midwest-flavoured compared to the rest of the province.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
If you prefer to play your games on Easy, sure.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm not quite sure why you think CFL is harder
especially since all the best football players play in the NFL
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Isn't it obvious?
The CFL is in Canada
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Less opportunity to score points.
Requires more strategy.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
With less chances to advance
doesn’t it just favor more passing/less running though? Punting on a ‘2 and out’ seems kinda silly TBH or is there just more turnovers on downs?
I find the location of the goal posts interesting too. Does that factor into strategy since they’re still on the goal line?
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Honestly, it's about even between running and passing.
Same as in the NFL, it really depends on whether or not your offense can split the D line. Punting during 3rd down was pretty rare in my league, unless you were stuck far into your own half. More commonly, they’d go for a field goal. Just as well, lots of safeties tended to happen, some intentional, some not. Not sure if that’s true of all Canadian football, but I’ve NEVER seen a safety scored in the NFL.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
100 yard endzone and goalpost on the goalline make up for it...
At least it makes more sense as ‘foot’ ball though, since I swear they kick it far more often.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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More skilled and athletic opposition
Requires more skill AND strategy
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Defense is tougher in the NFL
closer proximity of defensive line as well as more liberal rules for holding up receivers.
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by PNK on Sep 1, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
your end zones are ridiculously deep making more area for defenders to cover and thus making it easier for for teams to score touchdowns.
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by PNK on Sep 1, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Because the endzones go into outer space... lol.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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Seriously
their end zones are like the NFL’s red zones…
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by PNK on Sep 1, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t even imagine playing with four downs. That would virtually guarantee a touchdown every possession.
Have you SEEN the NFL son?
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Murray is 6’3, 240lbs.
Chara is 6’9, 255lbs.
That’s 6 inches and only 15lbs. That should really tell you all you need to know about how big Murray is.
And comparing football players to hockey players is, well, not something I’m at all interested in doing.
by milanahalek on Aug 31, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
It’s like saying giraffes are bigger than elephants.
by meetyourmako on Aug 31, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Byfuglien is apparently 6'5, TWO-HUNDRED-EIGHTY-SIX
That’s right. He just got arrested for a BUI (boating while intoxicating)… and he weighed in at 286 lbs.
Half of me doesn’t believe he was actually boating… he was probably just swimming freestyle stroke, floating on his blubber, and then the boatcops showed up.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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He’s just gearing up for Winnipeg. Byfugliens eat a quarter of their weight a day during summer, and rely on those fats stores to get them through the Saskatchewan winter.
Somebody better be really clear about what kind of camp
Tommy Wingels has to show up for in September
@shampeon
Prairie winters are nasty in general, but...
Saskatchewan is probably the worst. -50C is not unreasonable. They’re lucky it’s not the Saskatoon Jets.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen Murray in person on the ice? It’s pretty scary how huge he is.
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Guys, we got a big season coming up this year. Why would you wish injury upon an important defenseman like Murray?
Sweep the leg. No mercy.
Because we want Justin Braun to get some playing time this year???
BEAT DAT BEAT
You're right
He might get a hang nail!
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Yeah, he's wide.
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Fact
Douglas Murray’s father was Brumas.
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I can't wait!!!!
Pre-ordered it back in february. Loved the beta, but i can’t wait to do the campaign. Best storyline in a video game trilogy. Sorry halo
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The beta was sick.
I love all the new executions! I think I may have to go to the midnight release and play it the morning it comes out!
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 31, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
FALSE
Black Bears.
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Evolution is a beautiful thing to watch. However this current elite core must win the Cup together before handing on the baton to the next generation, that’s a very simple measure of their success or failure as a group in San Jose.
If we can win it in the next couple of years then I think we can all begin to look forward to a new cohort taking the franchise on, if not I fear we’ll be haunted for a long time by the fact this current crop fell just short where it really matters.
Here’s hoping this will be their year…
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Making me feel old...
I was 6 when the Sharks first came around in 1991… I turn 26 on Saturday and we’re talking about the future “core” and only Burns is my age. Good thing I put on the wrinkle cream.
Even though it’s hard to imagine not having Jumbo, Patty, and Boyle in the line up one day… the future is still bright with Pavs, Burns, Vlasic, Demers, Clowe, and even Braun (if DW doesn’t use him to gain something else). Makes me excited for many many more seasons of Sharks hockey.
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Nice! At least I didn’t say 16.
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by 420Sharksfan on Aug 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t born when San Jose was awarded a franchise.
I was a few months old when they played their first game.
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I was 3 when they were awarded a franchise, but I didn’t really start following them closely until college. I was always aware of them and rooted for them in the sense that “Hey they’re our team!” kind of way, but it was more of a casual fandom.
Really I didn’t become a Shark-finatic and start this somewhat unhealthy obsession with them until we acquired Rob Blake, who has long been my favorite hockey player of all time. I’m still sad that we only ever got 2 years of him in teal town…
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According to one thing I read,
SJ was awarded the team on the day of my birth.
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Hmm cant find anything on it now.
I think I either misread something, or someone was having fun with wikipedia right before I read that.
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Mazel tov
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Little over a month left...
I am ready for Sharks season!! :-)
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Hey Matt any reason for not mentioning Havlat as part of the “new core”? He still has 4 years on his contract too.
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Because he’s 30 years old. I’d put him in the Thornton/Marleau group, players who are vital to current success but not part of the young up and comers.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 31, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Ahhhh my bad. Should have checked his age. I actually thought he was a little younger. Oh well. Thanks for the response!
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by sharks in oc on Aug 31, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Stop spamming.
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Breaks my heart
to accept that Thornton, Marleau and Boyle will no longer be members of the Sharks organization someday.
I think in the short run we look great and in the medium run we look solid. But the long run concerns me with our lack of prospects
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by waive kent huskins on Aug 31, 2011 10:11 AM PDT reply actions
Well, it’ll feel like losing Nabby… :(
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 31, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to flag this
For being heresy. But then I figured the mods would actually have to read what I wrote and that would just be a waste of their time. So I decided to write this to ensure equal opportunity time wasting.
I still think Greiss is a better goalie.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 31, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
There's also still a flat-Earth society
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
You also like Winnipeg
…
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Sep 1, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be too worried about the long run, seeing how we’ll have time to accumulate prospects. Looks like we’ll be trying to keep this group of players for a few years.
That means less trades where we give up guys like Coyle to make dramatic roster moves (I expect Burns/Havlat will be the last big trades for a while, assuming we play to our potential). Instead, I bet DW keeps a majority of our first- and second-rounders over the next 5 years.
I'm in the same boat
Here’s hoping it all pans out in the Sharks favor! Go Sharks!
by 420Sharksfan on Aug 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
With the time to accumulate prospects
Say in 3 years from now when the team starts to look at getting rid of or not signing Thorton, Marleau and Boyle wouldn’t all that salary space help in replacing an elite young 2nd line or at least 2 top great lines mixed in with Clowe, Couture, Pav?
I think DW is setting up or has set up contracts to end for the top players at the same time, no? I know top teams still need their prospects to step up but what if DW does well with UFA’s. He does have the advantage of how easy it is for players to like the org, including wanting to live out here. And technically has the next 2 years before anyone can really panic.
but what if DW does well with UFA’s. He does have the advantage of how easy it is for players to like the org, including wanting to live out here. And technically has the next 2 years before anyone can really panic.
True, but only ‘what if.’
Problem is DW doesn’t traditionally do well in the UFA market. He makes trades. It’s rare for big-name UFA’s to want to sign in SJ unless they’ve already had some time with the team, either homegrown or acquired via trade… I’m not panicking, but the concern of bare cupboards is understandable.
BEAT DAT BEAT
Top UFAs don’t end up in San Jose. I imagine it’s a combination of Doug Wilson and the Sharks brass not wanting to overpay and have their hands tied down the road (see Campbell, Brian) and west coast team’s travel being unappealing to free agents.
Somebody better be really clear about what kind of camp
Tommy Wingels has to show up for in September
@shampeon
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its tragic…3rd enforcer dead in 3 months… :(
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by sanjosesharksfan on Aug 31, 2011 3:37 PM PDT reply actions
really? wtf? they’re dropping like flies! or like corey perry on goaltenders!
by meetyourmako on Aug 31, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm buying NHL 12 just to create a tough guy in Be a Pro and beat the shit out of Corey Perry.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 31, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Name him "Lord Karnage"
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
and honestly i see couture and petrecki and burns clowe pavelski becoming the core of this team
i actually see the top line (if all of them are kept) being…
clowe-Couture-pavelski…
and the top 4 d
Burns-Vlasic
Petrecki-Demers…
IF they continue developing as they have been
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by sanjosesharksfan on Aug 31, 2011 3:38 PM PDT reply actions
JAMES SHEPPARD WILL SAVE THE CORE
WHO THE HELL IS JAMES SHEPPARD
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Aug 31, 2011 5:21 PM PDT reply actions
A feeling Detroit fans don't have.
For any Detroit team, really.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 31, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Eww.
Move the team to Dartmouth, NS.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 31, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget the Tigers.
They play in a weak division, have Magglio’s albatross contract coming off the books, and have several star young players in Avila, Cabrera, Verlander, and Peralta.
by Briceratops on Aug 31, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I see your argument...
And counter with Men Without Hats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII&ob=av3e
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 31, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Detroit will be competitve
They just might not be elite. But they have prospects. They’re not about to fall off the map.
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I laugh when people say Sharks have no prospects.
Because A) that’s not true, B) we’re not in desperate need of immediate propects, C) the 7th round has always been kind to us and D) this is a team that will always have trade bait.
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Safe to say the forward prospects are lacking
But I think your points B) and D) are most relevant here. Immediate prospects, while welcome, are certainly not necessary up front.
And with Burns now in the fold, I’m not very worried about the long-term state of our defense. The question for me was always (especially with DW, not one to go out and spend lavishly on other teams’ UFAs, at the helm), How do we get our future No. 1 defenseman? Thankfully, that question is pretty much answered. And the youthful depth on the blueline is really quite appealing, especially after the emergence of Demers and, to a lesser extent, Braun over the past 1-2 years.
With the defensive depth in the system, it makes clear that there are other ways DW can shore up the forward depth in the system. So that’s something. Or we could just hope for a really stacked D over the next decade. Can’t complain there.
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by Timorous Me on Aug 31, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
A) that’s not true
We’re mighty think since Coyle’s trade. There’s defensive prospects who might be ready soon, but we don’t CURRENTLY have any forwards in the pipeline who are top 6 material.
B) we’re not in desperate need of immediate propects
This fact has zero bearing on whether or not we HAVE prospects.
C) the 7th round has always been kind to us
If you’ve hit the jackpot 3 times in a row, it is not a predictor that you will do so ever again.
D) this is a team that will always have trade bait
If you trade someone, you might find yourself in need of some prospects. You assume that every trade is even. For every Thornton for a bag of pucks, there’s an Ehrhoff for a bag of pucks.
We’ve traded away a lot of picks and prospects for various types of players over the past few years (Campbell, Guerin, Wallin, Moen and Huskins, White, Boyle) and we’re now on the side of the ledger where our current picks and prospects are a bit dry.
It’s very fair to say we have no prospects. We have some, but it’s not anything to write home about at the moment. We’re going to have to be very shrewd drafters for the next five years or so. We can’t afford any Lukas Kaspars. We need more Logan Coutures, and the occasional Joe Pavelski.
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by ElvisVF101 on Sep 1, 2011 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
*we're mighty thin
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I don't necessarily mind trading away 1st round picks
When you’re a perennial playoff contender. Unless you’re drafting in the top 10 (or even Top 5 really), you’re not getting a superstar or probably even anyone who will be an immediate contributor. I can’t think of another sport where the drop-off in talent after the first 5-15 picks is as drastic as it is in hockey. The Top 5 are already superstars, the next 10 are NHL-ready contributors with potential, but after that…everyone is just a prospect. Of course there are exceptions to this rule, but for the most part I think it follows this pattern.
The Sharks success means they’re always at the bottom of the 1st round anyway and there just isn’t a significant drop off from pick #29 to pick #43. So the “value” of a 1st round pick in the trade market is worth more to the Sharks immediate goals, because they can acquire someone NHL-ready NOW and still draft a player of comparable skill/potential 20 picks or so later.
<There’s defensive prospects who might be ready soon, but we don’t CURRENTLY have any forwards in the pipeline who are top 6 material>
Nieto is absolutely top 6 talent, but he really is the only one that’s projected to be a top 6 forward and who knows if he’ll ever reach that level. There’s a couple of prospects who could “surprise”, but yeah, very thin at forward.
Right. The higher the pick, the more you increase the odds of that pick turning out to be an elite talent, but there’s no sure thing. The way you develop through the draft is to have a bunch of possible top-6 forwards in the system.
If we start thinking we’re geniuses and can reliably pluck diamonds from the 7th round coal pile, we’re going to be in big trouble.
Somebody better be really clear about what kind of camp
Tommy Wingels has to show up for in September
@shampeon
If we start thinking we’re geniuses and can reliably pluck diamonds from the 7th round coal pile, we’re going to be in big trouble.
Either that, or we’ll be Detroit.
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Both are projected, should they make the NHL, to be 3rd liners but they are the two guys who I think could surprise.
3rd liners?? No way dude. Maybe they we’re originally projected to be 3rd liners a few years ago before the Sharks picked them up, but now both guys are recognized as huge steals for the organization.
Both guys project to be top 6ers at the moment for sure.
I think Hamilton has moved up the projection rankings more than Sgarbossa, but I agree with milanahalek that both could surprise and end up in a greater role.
I think the organization also sees Wingels in a top 6 role, but I’m not sure anyone else does.
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I love Wingels game but I don’t know that he’ll be a top 6 forwards. He may be one of those guys that’s a great 3rd liner who can step into a top 6 role if needed…
Also known as – exactly what the Sharks need right now! I don’t know if he’s ready but I do think he’s going to get a very good look at camp.
I’d like to see Wingels carry the load a little more in the AHL before he’s pushed too hard at the NHL level. I could say that of a few of the Worcester guys, though, and if they earn their time in the NHL with a strong camp or start of the year, I’ve got no problems with them being here.
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I’d like to see that whole dominate the AHL as well, but the Worcester team this year is not likely going to be very good .
I think the guys that Wilson/McLellan are hoping step up and just take a spot are Wingles, MacIntyre, Mashinter, Murray, Desjardins and McGinn.
Another player who I think might be an early call up in Mike Connolly – he’s apparantly been working his ass off with the strength and cond. guys in Worcester and added about 15lbs to make sure his body can handle the wear and tear of pro hockey. They seem to be very, very excited about him.
I really, really like Connolly. He’s probably not NHL top 6 material, but he’s a really hard worker and most of the goals I’ve seen him score were made by him outworking the opposition and refusing to give up on plays. Great to hear he’s added some weight and I think that’ll help him a ton. I’d be happy to see him get some early-season NHL minutes.
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Who is
Tony Lucia?
I was looking over all the playrs on the sharks website (the ones listed) and everyone ever mentioned on here was on there. Incuding older players that were signed or brought in (Guite for example) and 19 yr olds who I figure are too young to mention. But this Lucia guy is 24. Why do the Sharks have someone that old who has never even been mentioned?
Lucia was another two way player who they probably throught might be able to earn a 3rd or 4th line role but he went down w/ a pretty bad concussion last year (his rookie year) – still not sure if he’s going to be back this season.
The reason he’s older is because he went the NCAA route and played all 4 years of his college eligibility.
Sgarbossa scored nearly 2 points per game in both the regular season and playoffs last year in the OHL. What more do you want from him??
His undying love, obviously.
But seriously, that’s a league with 15-year-olds playing in it. Sgarbossa is 19. I sincerely hope he dominates people who can’t drive yet. He’s gonna have to prove it against the bigger kids soon. I hope he can, but I’m not counting on it until I see it.
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Yeah I don’t know why he’s still playing in the OHL (though there are still guys older than him in that league) but he’s dominating about as hard as you can hope for anyone to dominate in that league.
Both Sgarbossa and Hamilton got invited to the Canadian National Juniors camp, so they obviously have some talent.
The bottom line is that we do a few good forward prospects in the pipeline.
Never said we don’t have any prospects and never said either guy was untalented (far from it). But I think it’s fair to say that it’s good to have tempered expectations of the guys we’ve got.
Ideally, they turn into top 6 players. But it’s far from a sure thing right now and I still think Hamilton is closer to that than Sgarbossa.
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No they’re not. I try to follow most of the Sharks prospect as closely as I can…they’re both playing very well for their CHL clubs but there’s questions, especially with Sgarbossa, if that play will translate into the pro game.
Getting a 3rd liner out of either a 5th round draft pick or a guy who was an undrafted rookie camp invite is a steal.
There are always those questions with prospects, but i don’t see how Sgarbossa would project to be a 3rd liner. I think he projects to be either an amazing top 6 scoring machine, or a total bust.
I talk to the writers, scouts, announcers who watch these guys on a regular basis – they seem to always answer questions about the players if you ask.
Sgarbossa’s HIGH end upside is Steve Ott (a great 3rd liner – or an ok 2nd liner on some teams), which would be awesome! He’s a very good skating agitator w/ a scoring touch.
That’s only because he’s short. I’m sure those same scouts said the same things about Dan Boyle and Marty St. Louis when they were Sgarbossa’s age.
But we'll never be hurting for goalie talent.
We’ve got like, what, 6 goalies in the system that could potentially wind up in the NHL someday? Our defense is solid too. Given the insanity of the last few deadlines, it frankly wouldn’t surprise me if the Sharks were able to trade away one of their fringe players (Vandermeer, etc.) for a grab bag of forward prospects to some team that feels they NEED that sort of talent.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Any of which we could easily trade
for Forward picks/prospects. Goalie is one position where we don’t NEED a ton of prospects, especially with Niemi locked up long term and Stalock in the wings.
I'd rather have Greiss than Stalock...
But that’s just me. It’s probably regarded as a stupid opinion but ohwell
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by sanjosesharksfan on Sep 1, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Sexsmith?
Whatever happened to him? I thought he was only a year or two off, but the guy’s dropped off the map completely. I think we traded Pielmier… But shit, even without those two, we STILL have a great pool.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think only 3, maybe 4 of the goalies in the “pipeline” will end up in the NHL and I think only 2 of them will be regular starters.
I doubt Sexsmith or Heemskerk see much time.
Questions! Prospects
So it looks like the Sharks are good on D and set with Goalies. I know it can take a lot of years for some any not just fwd prospects to be ready for the NHL. But with (from what I’ve heard) next year’s draft being a lot deeper then this years and the Sharks (I think) holding quite a few draft picks, could this whole outlook change by next year if the Sharks hold on to most of their current picks and do well in next year’s draft?
And does anyone know excatly how many picks the Sharks have next year or is just one extra 2nd round pick?
I think it would still leave next years prospects 2 or 3 more years to step up after 2015 when most of our top player’s contracts end. But does anyone see the question marks going away if DW starts to concentrate more on draft now then giving them away say for players like Cambell, Moen and Huskins?
Maybe DW gave up that 3rd round pick to get Sheppard as a way of trying to find a way to fill in the 2 or 3 years it might take the team to catch up with having a stacked fwd prospect pool again? If Sheppard does well, I can see DW trying to find more young misfits at a low cost to try and turn them into productive talent.
could this whole outlook change by next year if the Sharks hold on to most of their current picks and do well in next year’s draft?
Definitely. We were supposedly thin on defensive prospects a couple of years ago, but now we’ve got Demers, Braun, Doherty, Petrecki, and a few guys with an outside shot like Acolatse and Abeltshauser. And that’s with Vlasic and Burns still being fairly young. It’d take a strong draft or two, but the worries could be erased.
And does anyone know excatly how many picks the Sharks have next year or is just one extra 2nd round pick?
I think we’re actually down a few picks. We have our first, the Wild’s 2nd, our 2nd went for Ian White to Carolina, the Flyers have our 3rd from the Versteeg trade according to Wikipedia, the Ducks get our fourth from the Huskins trade, and we have our 5th through 7th round picks. That’s not to say we couldn’t regain some through the season, though. Gaining high picks (especially in the 1st and 2nd rounds) will probably be tricky, though, because we tend to draft late in rounds and teams up their prices for their picks that come before ours accordingly. Depending on how they do, though, that Wild 2nd rounder could be gold.
Another thing to add in is that DW has done decently well at filling the prospect pool with mid-talent guys via signing free agent players. Ferriero, Desjardins, Mashinter, Acolatse, Anderson, and Connolly were all undrafted or drafted and released players.
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I think we’ll be fine as long as DW can keep working his magic on getting low cost short term contracts for the younger players. I hope to see a good transition with all the cap money that’ll free up when he figures out what to do with Marleau, Thorton, Boyle, Havlat. I’m sure at least a few new prospects will step up from now till then which should give him even more time.
I'd agree.
I think next year we could see Nemo/Griess up top, then Stalock/Sexmith/Heemskerk in woosta. Which looks pretty good to me.
I’d like to see Anderson get a shot too. He’s younger than the rest, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
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Anyone got the scoop on this “Harri Sateri” guy? I just checked Anderson’s age too. He’s younger than me. I feel old.
by CallofCouture on Sep 1, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
My opinion, from what I’ve read and seen – Sateri is the goalie of the future. He has the most upside of any goalie in the Sharks org.
He’ll be fighting w/ Greiss for playing time this season and it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him end up as the #1 in Worchester before the end of the season.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 1, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
HMM...
I’m really hoping Sateri plays to his potential, then we could call him Harri Houdini, because he makes pucks disappear.
by CallofCouture on Sep 1, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I like just Harri Sateri
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by PNK on Sep 1, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
HEY
I’M HARRI SATERI

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by idunno723 on Sep 1, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
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I stepped on a rake!
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by PNK on Sep 1, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
if the moon were made of spare ribs...
WOULD YA EAT IT?!?!
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by tealstherealdeal92 on Sep 1, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
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