Performance of young forwards crucial to Sharks' success
For years, the Sharks have been relatively stacked in terms of forwards, able to confidently roll three dependable lines in most all situations. Because the NHL is a cap system, San Jose did this at the expense of their defense, a decision that has appeared to cost them in their recent playoff performances.
Now, however, San Jose seems to have put a new focus on the defensive side of the game. Doug Wilson has spent the offseason improving his blue line, going so far as to trade from his deep forward corps to do so. Brent Burns, Colin White and Jim Vandermeer were brought in to give the team an offensively gifted all-star from the point, a former shut-down specialist eager to prove he still has something left, and an ancillary player with a mean streak.
It's safe to say that top to bottom, this is one of the best defensive units that the Sharks have had in their now twenty-season history.
To achieve this feat, the Sharks lost some of their famous forward depth. The top-six forward group is still among the league's best, but outside of those six the remaining forwards are far less established.
Michael Handzus was brought in to stabilize the third line, and he will give San Jose a dependable veteran presence there. However, it's unknown who will be lining up on his wings when the puck drops to start the season.
Conventional wisdom suggests that those players will be Torrey Mitchell, Jamie McGinn or Benn Ferriero, three young players with limited NHL experience. Of the three, Torrey Mitchell is the seasoned veteran. Still, his experience is limited to just 204 regular season games.
Mitchell carried promise with him when he first laced up for San Jose in 2007. Playing all 82 games as a rookie, the then 22-year-old Mitchell potted 10 goals and 10 assists while also wreaking havoc with Mike Grier on the penalty kill. Injuries stopped Mitchell's development quickly, as he missed 108 games over the next two years with leg issues that significantly hampered his speed.
Last season was a bit of an renaissance for Mitchell; he scored a career high in points and seemed to regain some of his trademark speed. Most of this success came with Kyle Wellwood and Joe Pavelski at his side though, and with Wellwood still on the market and Pavelski moved into the top six, Mitchell will have to try to replicate his numbers without the benefit of these gifted playmakers.
Although a good season from Mitchell is far from a sure thing, that seems almost guaranteed when you look at the other players the Sharks will lean on next year.
As far as importance goes, Jamie McGinn could be crucial to San Jose. No player has been more of an enigma for the Sharks over the last few seasons; McGinn has either shown flashes of potential or stretches of ineffectiveness.
Unlike Mitchell, the more highly touted McGinn was never given a guaranteed spot on the team. Instead, McGinn became acquainted with what was dubbed "The Worcester Shuttle", moving back and forth between the NHL and AHL in his first two years with the team. On some occasions, due to the Sharks issues with the cap, McGinn would find himself playing an NHL game one night, flying back to Worcester, and then flying back to San Jose to play in the team's next NHL game.
It wasn't the most ideal situation for McGinn, the travel undoubtedly drained him and the lack of practice time with either squad stymied his development. Still, in 2009-2010, McGinn scored 10 goals and looked like he was about to find a permanent spot on the San Jose roster.
That wasn't the case, as McGinn struggled mightily in the 2010-2011 season. He scored just one goal in 49 games, bouncing up and down between lines and levels. Most nights, McGinn found himself on the team's fourth line, a virtual graveyard for forwards with McGinn's skill set. McGinn has always been a very highly-touted offensive talent, but his role on the team forced him to become an energy forward with reckless abandon.
Next year, it looks like McGinn will get his shot at the third line. The first few weeks will be crucial for the young forward, who despite his time in the league is still just 23. If McGinn struggles to find the back of the net, it's almost a given that he'll find himself in limbo once again. For the Sharks to have any hope of winning the Pacific Division, they are going to have to make up some of the lost forward scoring somewhere. If McGinn and Mitchell can't get it done, it's a real issue.
Benn Ferriero may be waiting in the wings to help out; the young forward did see some success with Clowe and Couture early last season but then struggled when the three were separated. He's a bit undersized, but could contribute if either Mitchell or McGinn struggles.
The young guns aren't just expected to score. It's likely that they will have to also contribute on the penalty kill. Mitchell is no stranger to this task, but McGinn and Andrew Desjardins will probably be getting their first real crack at shorthanded situations in the NHL. Both have played on the kill in the past, but with Scott Nichol and Jamal Mayers headed elsewhere next year, someone is going to have to take over the lost minutes.
The real concern is scoring though, and outside of these players, the Sharks don't have many prospects who can come in and do that. Most of their offensively-minded prospect are still years away from the NHL; no immediate help is available in dire situations. Still, San Jose does have the cap space to make a move if necessary, something they haven't had in years past.
Doug WIlson would likely keep that space for a bigger move, however. Ideally, these young Sharks will regain past potential or cash in on future promise to help give San Jose their trademark forward depth.
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I really wish we’d bring Wellwood back. Mashinter could fit on the 4th line, maybe 3rd if he can keep some of his AHL scoring touch. He reminds me of Clowe.
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I’m in complete agreement on Mashinter. It’s nice to be able to rip a man’s head off, but the scoring from Mash could really bring stability to the lineup. Clowe has emerged as a legitimate puck cycler and retriever. I’d love to see Mashinter do something similar.
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Eh. I don't think we're as doomed as this topic suggests.
Burns brings a bit of scoring to the blueline that hadn’t been there. Ferreiro, in my eyes, is looking like a Ryan Clowe type of guy, in the sense that he’ll slowly rise from obscurity to become a mini-star. McGinn isn’t going to be in the league after this year, methinks. Mitchell is a solid player who’ll probably stay right where he’s at.
I do agree with Evilducks about bringing back Wellwood though. That would be awesome.
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Not saying they’re doomed in the slightest. But in order for them to have the deep forward group they’ve become accustomed to, someone is going to have to step up on the third line.
And I think most are too quick to write McGinn off. I liked how he played in the playoffs, and at just 23, he’s just a year older than Couture. He still has time to develop, and I think he will.
People tend to remember only the last year when it comes to a players development, hence why people are so high on Ferriero when McGinn has had a similar career and better seasons to date. Ferriero is older and smaller, and I haven’t been as impressed as most.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 6, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
it seemed to me, not saying everyone but a lot of people jumped on the Ferriero wagon after he scored in the playoffs. With Mcginn not going back and forth sticking with the team, I’m hoping he steps his game up. Since we have no more young prospects to bring up as much as I would like DW to just buy someone now, I’ve decided to change my mind and think it’d be smarter if he waits. We’re still going to get into the playoffs with the group we have now and this gives the Sharks a chance to grow some of their players a lot faster. Which should hopefully help us down the road, even if it’s just for this season. I say give the kids a chance and see how it goes. Then once the trade deadline comes around everyone’ll be able to see how it went, who can stay, what we need and hopefully who we can get for the playoffs.
Wellwood should still definitely GO AWAY! He would help us out in the start of the season over one of our younger players but the Sharks don’t want him and to get into the playoffs we don’t need him. As far as the season goes I don’t care about trying to go for the president’s trophy right now. We have the cap space for a strong scoring 3rd liner so there’s nothing to worry about.
Ferreiro's a boss.
Remember that pre-season he had a couple of years ago? Bud’s got potential. McGinn was failing to score when playing with Thornton and Marleau. I’m understandably skeptical.
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 6, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn’t skate many games with them. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a 25 goal scorer, but saying he’s going to be out of the league in a year and basing faith in Ferriero on pre-season performance seems silly.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 6, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Anything could happen.
I mean, hell, Doug Murray could win the Rocket Richard. Who knows, right?
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by Evil Stanchion on Aug 6, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, not if you’re using established and dependable predictors of success
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 6, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Anything could happen . . . Who knows, right?
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This bottom six does not make me a happy panda. :|
McGinn-Handzus-Mitchell
Murray-Desjardins-Ferriero
McCarthy/McLaren
Seems to be missing a 3rd liner at least…and that’s assuming Desi is ready for full-time job as 4th line C.
If people weren’t satisfied with…
Wellwood-Pavs-Mitchell
McGinn-Nichol-Mayers
Desjardsins/Eager
I can’t imagine what this is gonna be like >_>
1 or 2 more moves please! Go Sharks.
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We're on the same page Dmitriy
I’ve been thinking about this since the Burns move. But we’ve got nothing to trade anymore. No one is calling for Wellwood and as this article states Mitchell and McGinn have a lot to prove. So it’d be smarter to let Wellwood go and give the younger kids more time to grow in hopes someone comes a calling or is willing to make a bigger move down the road. DW could easily buy someone right now but then where would that leave the second move if we need it? I say wait and try to make the 1 to 2 moves later. I prefer teams to play their kids more instead of just bringing in rentals or relying on older players to hold the team down. Push the kids to grow.
I like the idea of giving the kids a chance, but we need 1 more good player to help guide them imo
I agree w/ what you said however
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I was thinking the same thing
earlier this week, it went from no we have to make two more moves after C. White to o.k just one more move. But if DW goes high in getting a 3rd liner and our kids don’t do squat this season, that won’t leave him much if anything to make some moves come trade deadline or next year. And yeah a good player could guide them but that leaves less playing time for players like McGinn who need that time before the Sharks figure out what to do with him. I’m just glad the Sharks and what seems to be most of us fans are focusing on the same thing. DW just has to figure out how we’re gonna get it.
The Sharks have plenty of trade chips if that’s the direction Wilson decides to go. He’s not just going to sign / trade for someone (3rd liner) to be a stop gap, it’s pretty obvious to me he’s looking for a specific players for specific roles.
Desjardins showed a LOT in the playoffs last year and Murray is a good 4th liner. Filling in another 4th line winger is not a priority.
I may be a minority but I think Handzus will get close to 20 goals this year, if they can get 10 out of each of his wingers and somewhere between 80 – 90pts out of the 3rd line, they’re in incredibly good shape.
Who are these trade chips?
I hope your not talking about giving up more of our prospects? I don’t think anyone is talking about the 4th line. I see our 4th line stacked with good young potential. Hadzus getting 20 goals or 80-90 points without a Wellwood like passer and both Mitchell/Wellwood/McGinn/Ferriero playing without Pav? It’s clear the only place left that can or should be improved is on either side of the 3rd line. It’s DW’s job to always look for specific players. We need a better scorer and a better passer.
Got a top 4 d-man in Ian White for a 2nd rounder. A third liner isn’t going to cost even that.
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by Dermal Denticles on Aug 6, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m well aware of that.
The Sharks acquired Ian White last January for a 2nd round pick. Therefore I believe a 3rd line winger in January will cost that much or less.
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But...
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 6, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
yeah and
now he’s gone and we lost that 2nd rounder. Sharks need to stop giving up draft picks and prospects. At least for now
How about we give up a 3rd rounder in 2013 for I dont know, someone like James Sheppard from Minny?
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After this year
regardless if we win the cup or not, I say we go back to just rebuliding the team. And put the last years of our top older players to a good use for after they’re gone. This year we should only go after established players. So I don’t know, maybe DW should just splash some cash on a top 3rd/2nd line scorer….?
Completely disagree.
There’s no reason we need to rebuild. I might disagree with trading another 1st rounder, but I think we’ll be fine. No way we should rebuild until after the year when all our big contracts run out.
But even then, I think DW may be more of a “re-tool” guy instead of being a “rebuild” guy.
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by idunno723 on Aug 6, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
DW doesn’t rebuild. (Pause) He reloads.
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by jwizzle241 on Aug 6, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Almost.
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What about now?:
DW doesn’t rebuild…. (Pauses and rips off sunglasses) He reloads.
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Yeah, I'd say so.
Nice touch with the sunglasses.
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by wtfbro? on Aug 7, 2011 1:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha
I said it wrong I guess. Rebuild in the sense of not giving up so much for players we think we need to win the cup. So yeah, reload. Example, not give up potential players like Coyle. Throw those types of players in with Thorton and Marleau so that they can learn how to roll with younger players like Pav, Couture, Vlasic and Burns. Creating another strong ass team to run after the cup again and again. Not let this be our last run for half a decade to a decade like say, what happend to the Avs.
Alright.
I thought you were suggesting going the Pittsburgh/Chicago/Edmonton route of sucking so bad for 5 years that you get a stockpile of top picks.
In that case, I think that is DW’s basic plan. Couture, Burns, and Vlasic seem to be the next gen core.
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The Sharks are loaded at D and goalie prospects that can be used in a trade and have an extra 2nd round draft pick next year…they have everything they need if they want to make a trade.
I didn’t say Handzus could put up 80/90pts, I said the 3rd line could. I do see a need for a 3rd line winger but I don’t think it’s something that needs to be addressed now or before the season starts.
Handzus is a good passer and I think Mitchell will be fine on one wing and is very capable of putting up 25-30pts. They can let the ‘kids’ fight it out for the other wing. If a player becomes available that fits what they need, they’ll get him.
Yeah that's the plan
I said there wouldn’t be 80-90 points on the 3rd line without Pavelski or a player who could score more then Mitchell. I’m sure they’ll get someone to help the third line. But if the sharks are just gonna give up another prospect and or draft pick I say they just pay the cash now to get a player.
We should stop giving up prospects at least for now. Besides maybe a goalie prospect I don’t think anyone except maybe the guys we got on D this year should be given up if they don’t work out. We should build to keep or trade not just give away.
I think you under-estimate what Handzus can do…even if it’s a line of McGinn/Handzus/Mitchell I see a minimum of 70 points.
You also don’t know much about the prospects the Sharks have because there’s a few I would be more than happy to trade to get a scoring 3rd liner.
There is NOTHING in the UFA market that will fill the 3rd line spot so there’s no point in “paying the cash” now to get a player. Trading a prospect for an established player does not mean you’re giving that player away.
I actually have a sneaking suspicion that Murray might be the guy DW wants for the 3rd line. He’s fairly defensively responsible and will willingly go into the corners and bang, which is something lacking from that line with Handzus and Mitchell. They won’t be a scoring line, but they’ll be hard as heck to score against.
And that would leave McGinn-Desjardins-Ferriero/Mashinter/McLaren/McCarthy as the nominal 4th line, but with no real expectations of them being stoppers or grinders. Instead they’d be allowed to get into games against some lower line opposition and maybe put some points up facing other teams’ bottom groups.
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Hopefully, there is a trade in the works to give us two veterans. I know it’s a hope and a prayer, but we shall see.
by sharksfanwithajd on Aug 8, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
McGinn
I think McGinn is well aware that this is his make or break year and with some consistent playing time, I expect him to have a good year. If he can play up to his potential he’s a perfect 3rd line winger.
I think Mashinter might need one more year in the AHL and I’d really rather they don’t try to force him into being a ‘tough guy’ ’cus the guy can play! He seems to be on the same development path as Clowe and hopefully, the org. continues to encourage him to play good, sound hockey and not just fight.
Not that I think he’s ready for the NHL but I’m kind of excited to see what Mike Connolly can do as a pro. If he can translate his college game to the AHL (for a couple of months), it wouldn’t surprise me if he gets a few games in the NHL this year to see where he’s at.
D
“Because the NHL is a cap system, San Jose did this at the expense of their defense.”
Disagree. Only time I can recall the Sharks going cheap on D was when they decided to replace Hannan from within even though they had something like 10M of cap space when Dallas scored that multi-OT goal (and yeah, 1 guy would have made all the difference). It was Boyle and Blake who put the Sharks up against the cap afterwards, and they’ve been there ever since.
That the Sharks include young D in trades fairly often, leaving mistake-prone vets with hits in the 1.5-2.5 range on the third pair (as opposed to mistake-prone guys on entry deals) is a byproduct of contending; I don’t think there is any way to avoid it.
I don’t think you can say that having Heatley, Thornton and Marleau all on the roster at over $6MM didn’t come at the expense of their D.
If the Sharks had the cap space to do so, I believe they would have added a player like Burns sooner than they did.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 6, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think a player like Burns becomes available too often, last player to get traded like Burns that I can think of was Phaneuf.
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I’m on a message board with a pretty decent Boston/New England contingent, and when Thornton got traded there were probably 15-20 threads on it over the next 24 hours because reading 20 threads on a front page to see if it’s already been mentioned is hard work.
It still gets brought up when someone brings up something already discussed. “Hey, did you hear Joe Thornton got traded?”
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Okay maybe not
But there’s been plenty of people available, one tier down. We could have picked up a couple of them over the years, if we had the space.
Perhaps; I believe the acquisition of Heatley actually saved the Sharks money (as they moved a back-loaded Michalek for a front-loaded Heatley, and got out from under Cheechoo’s deal at the same time), and he was the last one acquired; I do not think it was a conscious decision to go cheap on D, but more a matter of taking the best opportunities as they came available.
Flat cap
I agree, I think many are forgetting the flat cap year, that forced a number of teams like SJ & Det to give up some players they had probably not planned on losing, like having to choose between Erhoff & Blake. If the cap had risen as it typically has every other year, they likely would have kept both.
In hindsight, with Blake’s play falling off, keeping Erhoff might have worked out better for SJ. Would Van then have signed Blake? Then again, if SJ had kept Erhoff would they have already resigned him instead of letting him go FA and trading for Burns? Who knows?
I like the 3-4 group, Handzus is Malhotra plus, Guite & Murray =bigger/younger Nichols & Mayer, developing/maturing players Sheppard, McGinn, Mitchell, Ferriero, Desjardins, McCarthy, MacIntyre, entering their peak years, a deep mix of wild cards, and the cap to pick up an available 1-3 line scorer or D-man later in case of injuries etc.
by Busterbuddy on Aug 12, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake might not have put up as many points in '10 as he did '09
but he and Vlasic were our best shutdown pairing. Ehrhoff could not have filled Blake’s role. Remember he was a bottom pairing guy when he was with us and who’s to say he would have had the same kind of year with us as he had with Vancouver.
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Let the kids play
I’ve been waiting to hear that DW has finally replaced Wellwood with a scoring 3rd liner who could move up to the 2nd. And that some how we’d be able to trade Mitchell at the trade deadline for a stronger player who could also skate and hopefully score. But cap space isn’t enough. And what good are the kids if they don’t play them. I think the best teams are the ones with the best farm systems who give their kids more playing time then most others. We’ve got about 8 fwds and 3 defenders all wanting to play more and make that jump. We’ve got a strong enough team to give them that chance at least through the first half of the year. If DW does anything before the start of the season I say he replaces Wellwood and nothing more, what else can he do??? But I hope he lets Wellwood go and shows patience instead.
I completely agree.
I said it a few days back. If the kids don’t get a serious 30 games each then we are doing ourselves a big injustice. I actually really like the potential I see on this squad. With Handzus centering the third line, you can throw a combination of Ferriero and Mitchell on his wings. Or you can go Ferriero and Desjardins, which I really happen to like, and then throw Mitchell on the fourth line and let him center than for awhile with the possibility of moving him up to the third line if we need the speed or experience. For the fourth line, this then sets up two possibilities. If Mitchell stays on the third, which I think he is somewhat entitled to, we need an experienced centerman which we can pick up from somewhere. This allows McGinn, McCarthy, maybe Mashinter, and anyone else to come in and plays wings with a player that can guide them and knows what he’s doing. Whomever get’s hot can go play on the third line, but the two centers should stay stable throughout.
They are going to be playing this year guys and girls, you may as well get comfortable with that. Stop freaking out, the defense has been upgraded.
by Dermal Denticles on Aug 6, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
This
We have a decent opportunity in the first couple of months to really find out what we have in these younger forwards. I seriously doubt that an open 3rd wing slot, which is really what we’re talking about is going to have the same early disastrous consequences as not replacing Blake and adjusting to the different play of goaltenders for the first time in ten years.
I expect the Sharks will be a top 3-4 team in the West through the regular season even if none of the kids have a breakthrough and if Ian White could be had as a rental for a 2nd round pick, finding a 3rd liner or even a 2/3 tweener to fill in that wing in January will cost similarly or even less. It also gives us time to see how Handzus, Havlat (can’t be worse than Heatley on the PK, right?), Burns and White affect our PK so we’ll know if that 3rd liner will need PK skills as well.
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I remember your comment
At the time I was like Psssh! no way, we need at least one more good scoring 3rd liner that can move up. But at the same time I wanted more of our younger players to play. So after thinking about we should still try and get someone for the playoffs but giving our current players more time for now would help out more in the end (hopefully).
And to be completely honest I don’t like Mitchell. I mean I like the guy, he’s fast and gives 110% so I’d pick him over Wellwood but he’s undersized for the role he plays. So I disagree with him centering the 4th line. If we’re gonna keep him I think plain and simple, he needs to just concentrate on scoring. I think he’s been throwing the team off because he’s not big enough to roll on the 4th line or even the 3rd against some teams. If he scored more it wouldn’t matter just like Pav when he was on the 3rd line last year.
From what I heard this should be his last year anyway before he becomes an RFA so it should also be a make or break year for him too.
I’m not gonna be completely confident in the team until we let the kids play and figure out what’s still needed for both 3rd line wings.
The torn side of me though still thinks that if the Sharks go through with this and no one’s willing to trade? They’re gonna have to throw in more top prospects and draft picks. And I don’t want the team to do that.
That’s where 4 million dollars comes in handy!
by Dermal Denticles on Aug 7, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Fredrik Sjostrom
Seems like a perfect fit for the Sharks. He’s an experienced, penalty killing 3rd liner that can really help develop some of the younger guns. He’s a free-agent too, would love to see him lace up as a Shark.
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He was so bad ob the PK last season that he was scratched from Toronto’s PK unit, which was among the league’s worst.
Don’t know how he got the reputation of being such a solid PK guy, but he’s in Sweden now anyways.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Aug 6, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice write-up.
Sounds like Mitchell will most likely be back to form and will be very important to the PK and will be a solid two-way presence on the third line. I think people will be pleasantly surprised with both Ginner, Desji and Ferriero. I think all will continue to improve and develop as they are all still pups when it comes to NHL playing time, and should be perfectly serviceable 3rd/4th liners. I expect all to be better players than last season, and I am very satisfied with the bottom six as it currently stands.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 6, 2011 6:55 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t see him making it in the Nhl much longer. I hope I’m wrong too.
by Dermal Denticles on Aug 7, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
At some point, the homegrown kids
need to either step up to the plate and produce (like Pavelski, Vlasic, Demers did) or sink. Either way, the Sharks need to find out who’s got game and who doesn’t. Gotta throw the chicks out of the nest and see who flies and who falls.
lets just lock in wellwood
its obvious he has the skills (last reg season game against VAN) and the hellacopter line was as good as it was because he was on it. this should be a no brainer
If we do
I say we use him to build him up and trade him. Since no one wants him right now, maybe they’ll want him early next year. That’s the only reason why I would want S.J to retain Wellwood.
Or we just hold him
This whole “we absolutely must play the kids, before all else” idea is crap – if they don’t earn their time, they don’t deserve to be in the big club (or on the 3rd line rather than the 4th or whatever). Okay, fine, you give them some leeway to develop but at some point, having good, experienced players is how you win and having one more makes us more likely to win.
Kyle wellwood is a good player. Whether or not others want him, we should want him. He can presumably be had for very cheap. We should sign him to a 1 year deal and not trade him unless a good offer comes on the table.
Of course, it doesn’t really matter, because we don’t seem to want him, so arguing why we should is pretty irrelevant.
Exactly
If the Sharks and DW wanted him, they would have signed him by now. And we’re just on the outside looking in. I think DW only wants to sign players that can make that difference in the playoffs. So, they must have the same reason, better reason or their own reason why not too.
Maybe already signed
Maybe Doug and Wellwood are just keeping it HUSH HUSH.
Wellwood does seem like a very quiet QUAKER type of person.
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Couture...
You forgot him. I hate to bring it up, but a LOT of Rookies are prone to “sophomore slumps”. I’m not saying it would happen to him, but I’m saying that will it be possible to put another 30 goal 50 point season? I’m not saying it won’t happen at all. In fact, he should be playing with Havlat and Clowe, or Pavelski and Clowe. That is an upgrade for him over Setoguchi/Ferrerio. And McGinn…Put him on a 3rd line with Handzus and Mitchell…
Marleau-Thornton-Pavelski
Clowe-Couture-Havlat
McGinn-Handzus-Mitchell
Desjardins-Murray-Ferrerio
OR switch Mitchell and Fererrio. God his name gives me hell when I’m trying to spell…
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by sanjosesharksfan on Aug 6, 2011 8:11 PM PDT reply actions
For cooch though
This is less of a traditional sophomore year. He kicked ass in the playoffs year before last and came back and went right back to work.
I don’t think we have much to worry about there.
Bottom lines
I still like that previous article with the idea of the sharks trading for jason chimera from the caps. the thing is that i dont really know what the sharks could trade for him though.
but with chimera, the bottom lines would be:
Chimera – Handzus – Mitchell
McGinn – A. Murray – Ferriero
and with McLaren, Mashinter, Desjardins, and other young lads popping in and out
Scotty Nichol would like a word with you.
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To be fair
Ferriero and Nichol have completely different playstyles.
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by PNK on Aug 8, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Murray
Sheppard won’t be able to compete in camp.
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My guess is Murray never cracks the lineup. He has that AHL smell all over him.
by Dermal Denticles on Aug 7, 2011 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah, I think Guite's our AHL guy.
Murray’s a decent NHL 4th liner. I think he fills the Ortmeyer/Mayers role.
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Jamie McGinn could be crucial to San Jose. No player has been more of an enigma for the Sharks over the last few seasons
You can’t spell “JAMIE McGINN” without “ENIGMA.”
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by DownRUpLYB on Aug 8, 2011 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
yup.
J.M. Cin is his name without the enigma.
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People:
Wallin and Huskins are no longer in the line up…Breath easy!
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Wallin and Huskins do not play for the Sharks Organization?
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by SharksFanTillDeath on Aug 17, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Great article man
Don’t know how I missed it until today. McGinn is going to come up big this year. I think he knows he needs to.
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