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Five Questions Heading Into San Jose Sharks Training Camp

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With Sharks training camp officially set to get underway at 9:00 AM, hockey season is finally beginning to creep up around the corner like a mugging you've been eagerly anticipating. After a whirlwind offseason for the organization, this training camp should be one of the more exciting ones in recent memory.

To recap-- Dany Heatley, Devin Setoguchi, Scott Nichol, Jamal Mayers, Kyle Wellwood, Ian White, Niclas Wallin, Kent Huskins, and Ben Eager are out, while Brent Burns, Michael Handzus, Martin Havlat, Andrew Murray, and Brad Winchester (tryout) are in. Coupled with the massive amounts of prospects who will be fighting for a third and fourth line role, and it's safe to say there are going to be some very interesting battles develop over the course of the next two weeks.

Not all will be up in the air however. The Sharks top six of Joe Thornton, Joe Pavelski, Patrick Marleau, Martin Havlat, Logan Couture, and Ryane Clowe is essentially set, and the blueline heads into camp as the best in team history. Brent Burns, Dan Boyle, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Douglas Murray, Jason Demers, and Colin White round out the expected starters, while Jim Vandermeer is expected to fill in at the seven hole in case of injury. A strong camp from one of the prospects could change this projected lineup of course, but a player such as Justin Braun may have to wait until the inevitable injuries occur in order to get his shot with the big club.

So with the primary positions decided, and some interesting battles ready to take place on the third line here is one of those nifty top five lists that, along with serving as a great way to attract page hits, should cover the biggest questions we have going into the 2011 Sharks Training Camp.

1. What effect will injuries have on camp this season? As the esteemed David Pollak of Working The Corners has been reporting, the Sharks will be dealing with their fair share of injuries this week and next. Antero Niitymaki is expected to miss at least 12 weeks with recurring pain problems, putting him on the shelf for the beginning of the season. In his stead will be Thomas Greiss, who served a backup role under Evgeni Nabokov during 07-08 (until the acquisition of Brian Boucher) and 09-10. If Greiss plays well to start the year, and Niittymaki's return falls around Stalock's return from injury, it could present an interesting dilemma for Sharks GM Doug Wilson later in the year.

On the minor injury front, Martin Havlat is still recovering from offseason surgery and Antti Niemi underwent a minor procedure that will cause him to miss the start of training camp. Both players are expected to be in the lineup on opening night.

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2) Is the 7 spot on the blueline up for grabs? Although Jim Vandermeer looks to be the seventh defenseman heading into the season, the Sharks will start camp with Vandermeer paired alongside Justin Braun. Braun showed flashes of brilliance last season with the club, and after his second stint down in Worcester, came back a much more rounded player that could be trusted more in the defensive end.

Starting Braun in Worcester makes a whole lot of sense of course-- he gets time to play top minutes instead of sitting in the press box, Vandermeer provides a more defensively oriented backup pairing, and the inevitable injuries that will strike on the blueline at one point or another will give Braun an opportunity to get some playing time in San Jose. But with the entire organization focused on getting off to a much better start than last season, could a strong showing from Braun in camp coupled with a weak one from Vandermeer land the 25 year old a spot on the team?

We're leaning towards no. But that doesn't mean it isn't a possibility.

3) Can Jamie McGinn capitalize on the scoring potential he showed early in his career? We've always been been intrigued with McGinn's scoring potential here at Fear The Fin, and wrote a touching homage to his first goal last season that encapsulated the drought he was going through.The Sharks third and fourth lines are still a work in progress as of right now with players battling for spots, but an early training camp lineup indicates McGinn is going to be given a chance to nail down third line duty alongside Michael Handzus and Torrey Mitchell.

With his fourth year in the League set to get underway this season, and 3/4 line scoring depth a question mark heading into the year for San Jose, McGinn's best opportunity to be a full-time player with the big club will be on the scoresheet. Last season he proved he was able to make an impact physically-- this season can he make an impact with his shot?

4) How does the third and fourth line eventually shake out? With the invite of Brad Winchester into the fold on a tryout basis, the battles for third and fourth line duty just got that much more interesting. Winchester, the aforementioned McGinn, Benn Ferriero, Tommy Wingels, Andrew Murray, Brandon Mashinter, John McCarthy, Cam Macintyre, Frazer McLaren, and Andrew Desjardins are all the big names to watch out for this preseason, but don't rule out Penticton standout Michael Sgarbossa or another under the radar player from making a strong bid as well. There are a lot of spots open in San Jose this preseason, and we can't wait to see how it all shakes out.

5) Is there a fast-forward button on this thing? Because we really just want to watch Vlasic and Burns play together. Throughout this offseason, nothing has piqued my interest more than the potential Vlasic and Burns have to be one of the best young defensive pairings in the NHL next season. The early training camp lineup has them paired together, with Boyle-Murray and Demers-White as the Sharks other pairing-- just as we expect they will be going into the year. All in all the blueline is loaded like your uncle at Thanksgiving dinner, but there's no pairing which is more intriguing than Vlasic-Burns.

This is less of a question and more of a plea. We're excited to watch all of the roster drama unfold training camp of course, but if given the choice, I'd gladly hit the fast forward button to opening night just to watch Vlasic and Burns take their first shift.

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I think you mean Vlasic-Burns

at the end of the second to last paragraph.

by BillytheSid on Sep 17, 2011 6:53 AM PDT reply actions  

hahaha I’m watching the Wild green and white scrimmage, their site is streaming it live
Heatley and Seto are on the line with Koivu :P

Is the Sharks site streaming training camp live? I want to see all the new guys play.
if anyone has a setoguchi or heatley tee they want to get rid of now btw I can’t pay you but we can barter if you want. I can email you an inked comic art style drawing of your favorite player on the buffed up Sharks in exchange for the tee. (I just received some awesome ink pens to do comicking with)

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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Sep 17, 2011 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Gonna give sleek a run for his money?

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by SeanCrosby87 on Sep 19, 2011 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about Ben Guite? Is he at camp? Does he have a realistic shot at making the big club?

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by PNK on Sep 17, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

He’s there – and I don’t think he has much of a chance as anything more than the 13th forward, but that’s just my opinion.

by milanahalek on Sep 17, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about James Sheppard?!?!?!

I think you left off James Sheppard on your list of storylines:

What kind of impact will he have? Will a change of scenery lead to a rebirth? Will DW look like a mad genuis? Will he finally live up to the expectatons of a top ten pick?

by Derek Zona's biggest fan on Sep 17, 2011 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Sheps is going to be injured for the first two months of the season and won’t be at camp.

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by Mr. Plank on Sep 17, 2011 9:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think you forgot to add White and Vandy (other than Sheppard) into your recap additions list.

First, I didn’t notice, but since you added departures like Mayers, Huskins, etc. I noticed :-)

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by Dmitriy on Sep 17, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

But...

Ian White is no longer a member of the Sharks organization!

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by waive kent huskins on Sep 17, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giggity

This has got to be the most intriguing season for the Sharks that I can remember. I thought the preseason for Heatley was intriguing, but this one has it beat. Here’s to the boys staying as healthy as can be.

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by theneverman on Sep 17, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

More than anything, I want to see who rounds out the 4th line.

by logancouturesteeth on Sep 17, 2011 9:21 AM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Right, I’m done with all this talking, I just want some goddamn hockey!

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by BritShark on Sep 17, 2011 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

agreed

the hockey community won’t be the same though after this offseason….
:(

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by sanjosesharksfan on Sep 17, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Turn that frown upside-down!

Hockey’s coming!

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by meetyourmako on Sep 17, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think the depth scoring will be missed as much as it would have been last year

simply because the defense is MUCH better.

And on a side topic, should we replace the Kyle Wellwood is fat with Drew Doughty is fat? XD jk jk jk
but honestly that dude hasn’t signed yet. He wants 7 million instead of 6 million…
Meehan+Doughty=idiots
or is it just meehan whos manipulating the client? He was responsible for Nabokov holdouts and Stuart holdouts here…and Lombardi got fired in part to that I think…so…good on him for not budging here. Doughty doesn’t deserve 7 million. Not more than Kopitar right now.

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by sanjosesharksfan on Sep 17, 2011 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

7 instead of 6.8 actually, although his big thing is about wanting 5 years over 7 because he imagines he’s losing 2 years of a big payday. But Quisp has a post on JftC explaining why numerically, in addition to every other reason, this doesn’t make sense.

I have to assume Meehan’s manipulating his client. Kind of obnoxious.

by warning on Sep 18, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

In the read more, it says "Kyle Wellwood (C - ATL)"

That just made my day. I miss the Thrashers.

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by sharkzfan on Sep 17, 2011 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Are the Sharks really that much better at defense?

Lost: Nichols, Wallin, Huskins, White
Gain: Burns, Vandermeer, White, Handzus

Wallin and Huskins are replaced by Vandermeer and White as lower pairing guys. I haven’t seen much of Vandermeer or White, so I can’t really gauge how they compare. Their contracts are definitely better though.

White’s replacement is definitely Burns. Offensively, Burns is a huge upgrade (he had more points that Seto did last year). But a lot of people seem to question his defensive game. Some Wild fans said that it was possible that he just tried to do too much on the offensive end, which won’t be an issue here.

Nichol is replaced by Handzus on the PK. Again, no idea. Handzus is probably slower, but better offensively. And I’m not sure if he’s any good at faceoffs.

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by Bockerz on Sep 17, 2011 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Ian White wasn’t great defensively. He was small and could get pushed around. Burns is much bigger and harder to push around. Offensively Burns is also better.

Colin White is miles better than Wallin. White routinely played against the toughest competition during his time in NJ and was effective. Wallin was never asked to do that in his career. White is big and mean and is probably most comparable to Murray as far as play style.

Vandermeer will be asked to play a 7th man role, which is fine. He’s big and physical which seems to be what we want from our stay at home d-men. I don’t know if it’s replacing Huskins exactly, as they’re different styles of d-men.

Handzus is bigger and has been a top penalty killing forward for a long time and is definitely an improvement on the PK over Nichol. I loved Scooter, but his lack of size was always a problem.

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by Evilducks on Sep 17, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

The defense if definitely a lot better. On defense the only thing I wonder about is Vandameer, when he gets called upon. But we’ve got plenty of time to see how he ends up working out in adding depth. From what I hear, he’s good on the PK.

Besides, On what line is Pavelski gonna fit in (center or wing)? All the questions I have for the team won’t be answered for a while
How are we gonna do offensively on the 3rd line?
Is anyone gonna step up and become a 7th fwd?
Are we strong enough at 4th line center?
Is our forward depth solid enough to help the team make a run for the cup as it stands right now?
And is Braun ready to help the team in the playoffs?

I’m sure DW will be able to fix a few problems (whatever they end up being) come trade deadline. But I think it’s clear that either way, the team is expecting/demanding a few of the younger players step up big time regardless.
I think org. is making it clear that they’re not just worried about winning the cup but also working on assuring the future of the team aswell.

by raphelo on Sep 17, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Personally, I’m more worried about the 4th line wings than the center. Desjardins should do well in that role and is a sturdy faceoff man. And if he struggles, there’s a few other guys who could jump in there (McCarthy or Guite or even Mitchell or Hamilton if we’re desperate).

But for the wingers there are a lot of options. It’s like DW said in one of the interviews today; the bottom six slots are mostly open and the competition is thick. Everyone aiming for one of the bottom six positions except Handzus (and maybe Mitchell) better watch their back, because there’s 18 guys still in camp that want one of those five jobs. And that’s without Sheppard or the possibility of a trade.

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by Auth0r on Sep 17, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe you're right

Especially if Macintyre doesn’t play well when needed. McLaren doesn’t have much offensive upside, we’ll see. I know we also have A. Murray at center so… I just hope they’re strong enough to hold the position, I prefer power fwds centering the 4th line. Lots of shoulds and maybes either way you look at it.
I’m anxious, excited and nervous to see how the whole thing plays out.
Which is another reason why I think this could be the best Sharks off-season ever.

by raphelo on Sep 17, 2011 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Auth0r said, the center depth the Sharks have is rediculous. Thornton, Marleau, Pavs, Couture, Handzus, Mitchell, A. Murray, Desjardins are ALL natural centers.

Vandermeer is a good bottom pairing d-man. He’s big, strong, mean and plays pretty good defense and put up 15 pts in 62 games on a horrible team.

The Sharks wing depth is something to be worried about, but considering all of those centers listed above are capable of playing wing it’s not really that bad. The battles that will be going on for the 3rd and 4th line spots should be good!

by milanahalek on Sep 18, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I miss the days when the Sharks’ center-depth was unique. Nowdays it seems everyone’s copied the formula.

Ah well. I’d still rather they have the depth they have now even if it’s mainstream now =P

by Nick! on Sep 18, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

That jersey needs to be a Whalers jersey.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Sep 18, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the Jets are way too mainstream now.

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by jwizzle241 on Sep 18, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I see

a lot of depth below Handzus and maybe Mitchell. I just don’t see much quality depth, I really think that’s yet to be seen when it comes to say injuries in big games.

by raphelo on Sep 19, 2011 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you mean by quality depth – the Sharks have 2 top line centers, 2 2nd line centers who can both center the top line if they need to. 2 3rd ine centers, one of which can center the 2nd line if necessary, and 2 4th line centers.

There’s also LOTS of centers on the Worcester Sharks, several of which can come in and play a 4th line role (or even a 3rd line role) if necessary.

Every team in the league will struglle a little bit with injuries to their top players and I actually think this Sharks team is better equpiped this year to handle those injuries than they were last year.

A very good defense can help a team with a struggling offense quite a bit.

by milanahalek on Sep 19, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

A very good defense can help a team with a struggling offense quite a bit.

QFT

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by Auth0r on Sep 19, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was there today

And I, too, was eagerly excited to see Vlasic-Burns together, even if it was just a glimpse. But then when team B took the ice, I didn’t see 44. And then Pollak says Pickles was out sick :(…so I guess I gotta wait even longer. I CAN’T WAIT.

Now, yes, where’s that imaginary fast forward button?

by JQ24 on Sep 17, 2011 4:01 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Another question

Will we see curved glass at the benches? And in which round of the playoffs will someone bank one off the curved glass and into the Sharks’ net?

by calixtus on Sep 17, 2011 4:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

The most important round.

Whichever one that happens to be.

by Nick! on Sep 17, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh, no big deal

We’ll be up 6-0 in that game anyway.

by warning on Sep 18, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Random bit of information from yesterday, but Scooter Vaughan allegedly broke his arm and will be out around 6 weeks. He wasn’t a given to make the team of course, but that should explain why he was cut before getting a chance to make the 50 man roster during training camp.

Pure speculation here, but I can see him getting a contract or a PTO later in the season with Worcester.

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by Mr. Plank on Sep 18, 2011 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

ouch

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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Sep 18, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was it during an ATV accident?

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by PNK on Sep 18, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too soon!!

…Wait

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by idunno723 on Sep 18, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad break there

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by Evilducks on Sep 18, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone brought up Sheppard

and my question is, do you think he’s a lost cause, or still has promise for a 20 goal/50 point season?
does he have any upside left

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by sanjosesharksfan on Sep 18, 2011 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m actually excited to see what he can do. He seems to have some chemistry with Havlat, and maybe a change in scenery will do him good.

His injury doesn’t help, but he’s only 23. I’m sure he’ll fit in somewhere on the lower lines.

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by Bockerz on Sep 18, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he needs to prove himself in Worcester first

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by Evilducks on Sep 18, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he has the promise of being a 50 point/season guy

but everyone over at hockeywilderness says that he’s horrible and we overpayed so…
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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think

he only plays a few games this season if anything. Gets sent straight to Worcester and if he’s able, gets his first big shot at next year’s training camp.

by raphelo on Sep 19, 2011 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

was at the scrimmages/practices today. I can tell you now that I think we will all be big Colin White fans.

Dude, lemme getchur keys.

by OnDubs on Sep 18, 2011 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Does he care as much as Kent Huskins?

:P sorry PNK, stole your line :D

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by sanjosesharksfan on Sep 18, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm excited for this season...

Camp and preseason will be very interesting this year, since there’s a whole crapton of spots up for grabs on the 3rd and 4th lines. Which means we’ll also have some serious talent in Worcester should we need call ups for injury replacements. Depth is a good thing to have.

Also, I cannot remember the last time I was this excited about our blueline. Its like, we’ve been asking for something for years, and then finally, right as you were about to give up hope that you’d ever get it, you unwrap the last christmas present under the tree, and there it is! Niemi behind a competent defense seems like a very good idea.

Let’s get this season started already!

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by ZeroIndulgence on Sep 18, 2011 10:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously need hockey right now.

Football is only on once a week and baseball is boring as shit for the next two weeks.

by Briceratops on Sep 18, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Niemi behind a competent defense certainly has panned out in the past…

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by Evilducks on Sep 18, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno

It was pretty exciting the year we got Blake and Boyle.

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by PNK on Sep 19, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

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