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Will Jason Demers be Trade Bait?

 

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Hey, my first FanPost!

Just had a quick thought on Jason Demers and is availability across the league. As you all know, Jason is a very capable top 4 defenseman. He has steadily improved in his 2 full seasons with San Jose. He has gone from an unkown 7th round pick, to a 20 point producer on 2 talented Shark teams.

Now for the trade talk...

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Q: Why would we trade him?

A: Too much defense! Okay there is no such thing as too much defense, however with the NHL readiness (?) of Justin Braun, DW may find the best way to improve the team is by trading away one of his younger defensemen. Our D currently looks like this...

Burns-Vlasic

Boyle-Murrary

Demers-White

Vandy-Braun

So yeah, they look pretty good, but if Braun looks like he has improved from last year, and Jason struggles, or if Braun is about the same as Jason production wise, TMC will look to have Brauny in the lineup as much as possible. Leaving Demers expendable.

What is his value?

This is a bit tricky. The most recent trades involving players like Jason are...

Andrej Meszaros to Philly for a 2nd round pick in 2012

Chris Campoli and cond. 7th round pick to Chicago for Ryan Potulny and a cond. 2nd round pick

Cam Barker to Minnesota for Kim Johnsson and Nick Leddy.

So frankly, I have no idea. DW wont trade Demers for more prospects, or draft picks. This FP is for veteran goal scorers so you all can chime in on this.

It also should be noted that the Sharks are very thin on prospects. Doherty, Benn, Sateri, Wingels, Nieto, and Petrecki round out the top 6. Thats pretty thin, so Jason may be the only trade chip we (would) have.

What is your proposed trade?

Well, if we need offense, the candidates (personally) are Jarome Iginla, Alexander Semin, Zach Parise, Vinny Lecavalier (extremes)  David Moss, Tuomo Ruutu, David Jones Horcoff, Hemsky, and Jason Chimera.

So, by the look of recent trades I would say Demers is about as valuable as a 2nd round pick (he is younger than all of the players I mentioned before, so maybe a little more...

So lets say the Canes struggle, which they may, Ruutu is coming on the last year of his contract, so perhaps he is on the block. I say:

Jason Demers, and a 5th for Tuomo Ruutu.

 

So again this is all completely dependent on how the season goes. I do love Demers, so its not like I wish he's gone, but if need be this could be the way to improve the offense or the PK

(edit) Okay so the comments are making it seem like I either want Demers gone (which I dont) and think a Demers Iginla swap is realistic (which its not). Let this be clear, I DONT WANT TO TRADE DEMERS. This article is like a "if we have to make a trade who may end up being traded." This also talks about our prospect and how thin we are, so it would be smart to hold onto picks and replenish our farm system.

Also because this is my first article ever, can you comment if you like how its written? Feedback is appreciated!

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So should we trade Demers?
Yes, if we need offense
22 votes
Yes, because I hate his beautiful face!
0 votes
No, our team looks fine, you're an idiot
143 votes
No, no matter what!
43 votes

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There is literally no reason why the Sharks would trade away Demers who has an excellent contract value and is a future top 4 dman.

Why would the Sharks destroy their newly acquired defensive depth?

by dcook on Sep 21, 2011 1:13 AM PDT reply actions  

^This

Well written though if we were deep how Vancouver was deep last year though. Were not. Were a lot more balanced now. I dont see us going anywhere but Worcester for talent on the offensive end of things.

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by Sharkz_N_Phinz on Sep 21, 2011 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is literally no reason why the Sharks would trade away Demers who has an excellent contract value and is a future top 4 dman.

Why would the Sharks destroy their newly acquired defensive depth?

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by Mr. Plank on Sep 21, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont think it's destroying depth.

This is just a pre-season view of our team and a bunch of what ifs. I definitely dont think we should trade him. As DW said everyteam would like to have 9 or 10 NHL ready D guys, because you can never know about injuries. This is all a bunch of hypothetical bullshit :)

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I picked the 3rd poll option,.

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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 21, 2011 4:21 AM PDT reply actions  

:(

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope
“As you all know, Jason is a very capable top 4 defenseman”

And that’s why. DW has said so a number of times that every single team is looking for top centers and top D-men. If you have young guys who can fill those roles (Vlasic and Demers), what’s the use of trading them?

If anything, I can see Braun as trade bait. I think he earns a better spot next year, but he’s as old as Vlasic and Demers with less NHL experience.

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by Bockerz on Sep 21, 2011 6:15 AM PDT reply actions  

The wings really seem neglected by comparison, but...

It’s amazing how DW has landed some out-of-fucking-nowhere late-round talent to staff those spots, on top of the amazing centres the team’s drafted being adapted to wings. San Jose rocks.

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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 21, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with Braun.

If we were to have to make a trade, teams would probably want him. He is a better piece to trade than a guy who has become very capable in the NHL. This was a hypothetical “If Braun plays good, do we need to make a move?”

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah

Well, I do like Demers over Braun. They’re about the same size, but I feel like Demers is a bit better defensively.

In the case of “if Braun plays good”, then I don’t think a move has to be made. If anything, it requires fewer moves next year… concerning Vandermeer and White that is. If there is a necessity for forwards, then I’d rather Braun get traded over Demers.

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by Bockerz on Sep 21, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Braun sure seems bigger than Demers to me.

by meetyourmako on Sep 21, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Braun is stronger.

He has the ability to clear the front of the net better than Demers.

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. He’s not ready now, but I think he’s got potential to exceed Demers’.

by meetyourmako on Sep 21, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Braun is bigger

But at this point, Demers is actually physically stronger, and he worked his ass off to get that way.

Braun is nothing but a what if right now. Demers has ACTUALLY put in the work.

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by ElvisVF101 on Sep 21, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was kicking ass and taking names in these past playoffs.

by meetyourmako on Sep 21, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s a 10 lb difference. Though Braun does look bigger.

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by Bockerz on Sep 21, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way in hell would Demers + a pick/prospect return Jarome Iginla, Alex Semin, Zach Parise, or Vinny Lecavalier. DW would need to throw a lot more into that package. Plus there’s no point because unless there are serious injuries to our top 6 forwards, we wouldn’t need any of those players.

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by puppysoldier on Sep 21, 2011 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I never said Demers and a prospect would give us Iginla, no way in hell.

I have extremes in parentheses because DW doesnt make big time trades (well, not including this offseason of course) I was more looking at the second tier guys. Moss, Ruutu, David Jones, Horcoff. I’m not that great at trades, but I said Demers and a pick for Ruutu.

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry dude, but you just made me call you an idiot.

Of course you can never rule out any trade because you just don’t know how things are going to develop, but as things stand right now I can’t see any reason to move a player who has real potential to develop into a top 4 defenceman.

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by BritShark on Sep 21, 2011 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Definetly!

I think he’s a Top 4 guy on at least 70% of teams right now.

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather wait and see...

The regular season hasn’t even started yet. Let’s see how it pans out, how well we do in at least the first quarter or third of the season to see what we need improvement in. I believe we should be fine with primary scoring unless more than one of our top line players get seriously injured which doesn’t seem likely since the likes of Patty, Jumbo and Couture aren’t prone to such injuries.

The only thing I could really see us trading for before the deadline in order to load up for our playoffs campaign is secondary scoring and/or strong defensemen. I would only put Demers on the trade block if he had an off season which doesn’t seem likely considering the breakout he had last season; he might turn into a top shelf D-man a couple seasons from now. The only reasons we gave up Joslin was because he seemed injury prone, was a healthy scratch too often, and didn’t get much ice time when he was in a game.

I believe DW will most likely make trade(s) for Wellwood or Ian White-esque players in order to help our playoff push. But we’ll have to wait and see how the early part of the season goes before we figure out what we could really improve on.

by zack007attack on Sep 21, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

DW always pulls sneaky ways to improve the team. Depending on who struggle during the season,

2 way guys like David Moss would be great (depending on the season of course). But Demers for a guy like Moss? No thanks. Ruutu? personally sure. But again this is all a pre-season look into the season. For all we know Mcginn will score 40 goals and win the Hart! We all have to wait for the season…which is taking for ever…

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never said we could do that :)

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

the candidates (personally) are Jarome Iginla…

That’s a pretty heavy implication.

by meetyourmako on Sep 21, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

they're trade candidates. I also included more realistic players.

I never said demers was part of that. If I thought Demers and Iginla was a good trade why wouldnt I put that as my proposed trade?

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never said demers was part of that.

Still wouldn’t say that “our team looks fine,” but I’m starting to lean toward answer C.

by meetyourmako on Sep 21, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a one-sided trade.

In Calgary’s favour.

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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 21, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol okay so maybe I am an idiot...

Just wanted everyone to keep in mind this isnt a TRADE DEMERS! article, more like a if we need to make a trade, who CAN we trade. As I said in the FP I love Demers, I dont WANT to trade him. This is a thought that popped in my head that I felt like righting about for my first article of anykind.

And its cool if only HOLY SHIT 26 PEOPLE THINK IM AN IDIOT WTF WOW! lol okay maybe I shouldnt of let that be an option in the poll err…

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

You're not an idiot...

But the title of this article should have been, “Why fans are fans and not GMs.” This is the perfect example of a fan doing what fans do, dreaming about their favorite team! I applaud the effort. There, now do you feel better?

by SharksFan97 on Sep 21, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol It's giving the impression that I think Demers sucks and I want him out.

Thats not the case, its one of those times where a thoughts pops in your head and eventually I just started talking about it. I mean, the fact that I left the poll answers like that show that this is a dumb situation I was thinking about. It’s all in good fun :)

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

What an idiot!

hehehe

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by jwizzle241 on Sep 21, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t really think you’re an idiot, just FYI. lol

I think Braun would be more likely to be trade bait but even then i dunno. If anything does happen it probably won’t happen until we get closer to the deadline, unless the Sharks are really struggling early on but i really can’t see that happening. (again)

by Khaaz on Sep 21, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Agree

Braun + our 2nd in 2012 (from Vancouver for not signing White) should fetch a decent “tweener” forward.

Here’s a long list of possible candidates (some may take a little more than the above):

Tuomo Ruutu
Jochen Hecht
A. Kostitsyn
Paul Gaustad
Kris Versteeg
Blake Comeau
Jacob Voracek
Curtis Glencross

by IsThisTheYear? on Sep 21, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, I cant see them struggling like last year.

Since we are so defensively strong, we may get on to a fast start. But then again, who knows?

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was once the author of a foolish fanpost suggesting the trade of a promising young defenseman

Demers bears some similarity to the Marc-Edouard Vlasic situation in some ways:

He’s very young, and probably has yet to show his full potential.

He has been shouldered with a lot of very important ice-time at that young age.

He shows excellent hockey sense.

He’s a hard worker who has put in a lot of work outside of practice to make himself a top 4 defenseman, notably in the fitness and skating areas.

My notion of trading Vlasic was foolish, and the same has to be said of trading Demers, for many of the same reasons.

Demers has done nothing but improve. And there is literally no reason to think he won’t continue to improve. There is also no way in hell Demers would ever fetch anything even remotely resembling a fair return.

Dan Boyle is 36. Brent Burns will likely anchor our defense for the forseeable future, but no one else on this team, and only a handful of NHL defenseman period have Boyle’s unique skillset, Burns included by my estimation. Jason Demers has a realistic shot of achieving that skill level, and improving upon it in many ways, given the likelyhood he can play an even more physical style.

Justin Braun is an exciting prospect, but at this point, swapping Demers for Braun makes our blueline considerably worse. Braun is currently a 5 or 6, probably a 7. He is most certainly NOT a top 4 on an elite team, which Demers IS.

Demers is a premium player at a premium position who would not, on his own, fetch the type of return that fills a need equal to his contributions to this team.

The trade does not make sense.

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by ElvisVF101 on Sep 21, 2011 3:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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by CloweMyWord! on Sep 21, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great response!

I agree with all your points. After hearing everyones thoughts, it seems that no matter what the return, Demers is not going to give the return he deserves.

But my question for you is, do you see Demers adequately filling in for Braun? If he retires/leaves after 13-14, Demers will be shouldering the load, how will he do?

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

do you see Demers adequately filling in for Braun Boyle?

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

After 2013-14...

Burns will be the fill-in for Boyle. Demers steps into Burns’ role as the #2 PMD.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Boyle dealt after the 2012-13 season. He has a limited NTC then and we’d need to re-sign Vlasic, Murray Clowe and Demers. One of those 5 will probably be gone after that season.

by IsThisTheYear? on Sep 21, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think murray is gone.

Petrecki if he continues to improve will be able to step right into Dougies role.

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 21, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Demers-Murray

Seems like a viable 2nd pair. Murray may need an upgrade though. Age may start to catch up with him and he’s never been the fastest skater.

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by ElvisVF101 on Sep 21, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Petrecki!

I hope that guy gets his shit together. He literally has a spot waiting for him, if he can get himself ready for the NHL.

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by Bockerz on Sep 22, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anything is possible and essentially every player on the Sharks is "bait"

but the sort answer is no, he won’t get traded.

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by pooponastick on Sep 22, 2011 12:14 AM PDT reply actions  

You made us call you an idiot!

Because there is never a “no matter what scenario” but I don’t think the answer is yes either!

I don’t think you are an idiot but I really wanted to vote “no, our team looks fine”

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by waive kent huskins on Sep 22, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

its okay, honestly

I voted No, im an idiot :)

I dont think we should trade him either, its an interesting possibilitty though.

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by BrandonMK50 on Sep 22, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we could get a good deal in terms of price and length that would set our third line up to be the best in the league for years-to-come, I’d think it was a good idea.

by meetyourmako on Sep 22, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

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