What should the Sharks' lines look like?
Like you, I can't wait for this next season to start. Like you, I've been speculating about how the Sharks' new additions will fit into the scheme of things. So I've decided to give armchair coaching a try. Enjoy.
Now, I've written about the Sharks before (mainly in school/local newspapers a few years back) and I've been following the Sharks ever since I was best friends with Bernie Nicholls' son (in kindergarten, no less). And honestly, (knock on wood) this looks like the best roster they've ever had. Forget Heatley. Forget Selanne. Brent Burns is the biggest (literally?) acquisition the Sharks have ever had this side of Joe Thornton. Add Martin Havlat, Michal Handzus and a slew of younger third- and fourth-liners, and you've got one hell of a cocktail. So let's get mixing.
First Line
Patrick Marleau - Joe Thornton - Martin Havlat
I'm not really buying into the idea of sticking Havlat on the second line. He's a bona fide first-liner with an insane repertoire of moves and dangles. In Todd McLellan's puck-possession offense, a guy like Havlat is gold. His ability to take contact and maintain control of the puck is up there with the likes of Pavel Datsyuk and Evgeni Malkin. One advantage that Havlat has over his predecessor is speed. Joe Thornton is arguably the best in the NHL at leading his targets, and with Marleau and Havlat flying down the wings and Dan Boyle potentially jumping into the rush, expect plenty of odd-man rushes.
As far as names go, I'm thinking the "Jumbo Party" line... (Jumbo, Patty and Marty... geddit? geddit?)
Second Line
Ryane Clowe - Joe Pavelski - Logan Couture
This looks to be the Sharks' core line for the foreseeable future, with three promising youngsters who have shown grit, poise and clutch scoring ability throughout their young careers. (Side note: can you believe that Pavs is a 5-year veteran?) Assuming Havlat fits in well, these top two lines are going to be quite fluid throughout the season, a huge plus in case of injuries or scoring slumps. If you're trying to win a key faceoff, this is the line to send out. All three guys can take the draw, so they don't have to worry about being
Third Line
Jamie McGinn - Michal Handzus - Brandon Mashinter
This is where the fun starts. I see this as a checking line with some scoring pop. Handzus is a seasoned veteran who's itching for playoff success. He's like Manny Malhotra with hair. Lots of hair. McGinn and Mashinter are wild cards. If McGinn can regain his scoring pop (a topic which has been beaten to death over this summer), he can provide quite a spark. Mashinter is a big guy who likes to throw his weight around. He's like a second Ryane Clowe - a guy who can win the puck on the boards and then go park himself in front of the net.
Fourth Line
Andrew Desjardins - Andrew Murray - Torrey Mitchell
This is really a placeholder line. Unless someone has a brilliant training camp (think Benn Ferriero last year), it looks like these guys will be the frontrunners for these spots. It'll be a hotly contested battle, but I reckon these three will win out. Of these three, Sheppard's got the most to prove. He was drafted 9th overall in 2006 - over guys like Michael Grabner, Chris Stewart and Claude Giroux. He's yet to live up to that potential, but something tells me T-Mac may have something up his sleeve for the speedy center. Torrey Mitchell is probably a lock to make the team, and Desjardins showed some promise in limited action last year. But like I said, the battle for these spots will be intense. Ferriero, Ben Guite, John McCarthy, Tommy Wingels and James Sheppard (once he recovers) are all waiting in the wings.
The Defense
Dan Boyle - Douglas Murray
Marc-Edouard Vlasic - Brent Burns
Oddly enough, the defense is the part of the team that is most concrete. All three lines pair an offensively-oriented defenseman with their stay-at-home counterparts. Don't see much potential for change here, barring a trade involving Jason Demers (in which case Justin Braun or even Nick Petrecki could replace him). But that's a different debate altogether. As far as the Vlasic/Burns pairing... this offseason soooo needs a fast-forward button.
The Goalies
I can haz moar Nemo?
And there you have it. My predictions for the Sharks' opening day lines. I tried to keep it simple (no statistical analysis, etc.) Please leave feedback in the comments below.
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pretty sure Mitchell is gonna be on the 3rd line
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 21, 2011 10:39 PM PDT reply actions
yea mitchell and ham are the locks on the 3rd line with McGinn looking to fill it out. i would like to see a 4th line of Dej, Winchester and then see who else fits with them. Murray, McCarthy Ferrieo, McLaren etc.
by dannyschmanny on Sep 22, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather see Pavs on Thornton’s wing and Couture centering the second line, but I agree the top two lines will probably be pretty fluid in terms of composition.
I think it’s pretty likely the that the 3rd line will consist of Handzus centering Mitchell and McGinn unless something drastic happens in the preseason. Sheppard is still rehabilitating so he won’t be playing hockey for a while yet, my guess is he’ll spend most or all of his time in the AHL. Desjardins or Murray are probably the leading candidates for 4th line center.
agreed. the other angle that having pavs on the top line is a big plus? he is the most reliable guy on faceoffs after Jumbo. Seeing as Jumbo get’s tossed so much, now you have an elite faceoff guy taking his place in the circle. Patty is solid, but better to have that extra success rate in the circle for your top line when your primary center get’s tossed at such a high rate. of course all the other pluses as well…great iq, great right handed shot etc.
by dannyschmanny on Sep 22, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Fixed
Forgot Shep was still rehabbing from injury… but I still maintain that even though Mitchell will likely be the third-line winger, Mashinter is still the best fit with the other two.
by legionofBoom on Sep 22, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah EA really likes Mashinter he scores a lot on my virtual team, as well.
by meetyourmako on Sep 22, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Marleau – Thornton – Pavelski
Start with this since Jumbo likes righty snipers.
Clowe – Couture – Havlat
This line will lead the league in dangling / 60 (yes, a new BTN stat)
McGinn – Handzus – Mitchell
If scoring becomes a problem, we trade for a tweener fwd prospect that can score and drop either McGinn or Mitchell (or use them as trade bait)
Winchester – Desjardins – Murray
Toughness, grit, energy and PK ability. A perfect 4th line.
I’d keep the same D pairings but use Vlasic/Burns as the 1st pairing against the opponent’s top lines.
by IsThisTheYear? on Sep 21, 2011 10:53 PM PDT reply actions
Pavs or LoCo would probably be good fits with Thornton and Marleau, but I think Havlat will bring out the 30-goal scorer in Jumbo. That whole line can easily crack 80 points apiece, with Jumbo hitting the 90s or even the century mark.
After reading the article about McGinn, it does look like Mitchell will be on the third line. Winchester may be the opening-day fourth-line LW, but that said, I think we’ll see Mashinter and Desjardins in there come mid-to-late season.
I put Boyle and Murray as the top line because that’s typically how they’ll be arranged. But yeah, you’re right about playing Vlasic/Burns against the opponents’ top lines. And I can’t believe I never mentioned Cam MacIntyre.
by legionofBoom on Sep 22, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
i was just reading an article
where todd and martin confirmed that at least to start out… the plan is for him to be on a line with cooch and clowe. which puts pavs up with jumbo and patty.
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 22, 2011 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Last I heard
Sheppard is a ways away from coming back. Also we don’t really need Havlat on the top line, we already have a speedster there in Marleau. I’m all for distributing the speed more and giving the second line that pop.
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by waive kent huskins on Sep 22, 2011 12:43 AM PDT reply actions
I don’t mind concentrating the speed in the top line because with the 2 speedsters pushing the defense back it gives Thornton that much more room for his amazing playmaking.
And Pavs isn’t really that slow, so its not like he’s a hinderance to the 2nd who will get by more with passing and board control than with dashing forward anyways.
personally...
Marleau – Thornton – Couture
Havlat – Pavelski – Clowe
Mcginn – Handzus – Mitchell
Mashinter – Desjardins – Murrary
Pavs on the first line is great for Joe, But I like him being a center on the 2nd line. He’s just about our best faceoff guy other than maybe Thornton, so we need that skill. However; Thornton does get kicked out of the circle a lot, so maybe its good to have another top draw guy next to him (Patty is also a natural center, so this may not be a problem.)
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you can’t break up the cooch/clowe bromance! i love them together. clowe always protecting and standing up for logan…. awwww
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 22, 2011 3:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember when Cooter stood up for Thornton after the Perron hit? It can work both ways.
by meetyourmako on Sep 22, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Seems pretty simple to me
Patty-Jumbo-Pavs
Cloweture-Havlat
McGinn-Handzus-Mitchell
Winchester-Desjardins-Murray
Ferriero
Your defense (with vandy and braun as extras) and goalies stay the same
Go Sharks!
PP/PK Lines?
Dunno if this should be a separate topic altogether, but as I see it, these will be the PP and PK lines…
Marleau – Thornton – Havlat – Boyle – Pavelski
Clowe – Couture – Mitchell – Burns – Vlasic
Havlat slots into Seto/Heater’s old spot, so you essentially retain the same group which worked last year. Putting Burns with the second unit will give you two things. First, you have a quarterback for each group, and two, that cannon from the point has been missing since Rob Blake left.
PK lines:
Handzus – Clowe – Vlasic – White
Thornton – Pavelski – Boyle – Murray
The first group is your shutdown group against the other team’s PP1 unit, the second group can match up with the other team’s PP2 line. Simple as that.
I don't think so...
PP:
Marleau-Thornton-Pavelski Boyle-Burns
Clowe-Couture-Ferriero Demers-Havlat
PK:
Handzus-Mitchell
Pavelski-Marleau
Murray-Winchester
Thornton-Couture
Desjardins-McGinn (a little bit)
Vlasic-Burns
White-Demers
Murray-Boyle (a little bit)
Go Sharks!
Oh hehe...I got 13 forwards oops
On PK, do Thornton-Winchester/Murray and Couture-Desjardins…take out McGinn (take murray or winchester out of line-up
Go Sharks!
I think it’ll be Mitchell in the 2nd PP instead of Ferriero and he’ll likely be at the point in the position Pavelski played for the PP last season when they ran the 4 forward PP. He’s faster and more defensively capable than Ferriero but still has a decent shot so he’ll contribute more there than Ferriero will.
Ferriero’s chance on the team will depend entirely on how McGinn does on the 3rd and how offensive the 4th is, if the transition away from enforcer 4th that it was last year actually happens and is complete.
Am I the only one who doesn't see A. Murray in the lineup?
I see him as a backup kind of guy. I’d much rather have Ferriero in there.
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He’s been doing pretty well in the pre-season games with the Desi/Winchester/him 4th line, scoring a PPG in each of them. Yes its the preseason and they didn’t use Hiller in either but that still isn’t bad at all.
I think he’ll get the nod for the 4th line at the start of the season and then him and Winchester switched in and out for some Worcester guys to get some time up with the big boys.
The way I see it
is if Pav can adapt to playing the wing on the 1st line, I think the team will score more with Havlat setting up Clowe/Couture. If not, then Havlat and Throton help each other score more with Marleau maybe having a career year.
Marleau/Thorton/Pavelski
Clowe/Couture/Havlat
McGinn/Handzus/Mitchell
Ferriero/Dejardins/A.Murray
I also think that since Vlasic and Demers played so well with each other last year, a C.White/Burns, Vlasic/Demers pairing might work out better. I want Vlasic and Burns to gel right away, but it might take some time and for now White/Burns might be better in big games and other situations.
This is how I've been running the lines in NHL 12...
Couture – Thornton – Havlat
Clowe – Pavelski – Marleau
Mitchell – Handzus – Ferreiro
McGinn – Desjardins – Sheppard
Boyle – Murray
Burns – Vlasic
Demers – White/Vandermeer
What intrigues me most is the goaltending situation right now. Niitty’s going to be out for a while, and Niemi might miss the first couple of games. This leaves room for Greiss and Sateri to move up the depth chart. We could, potentially, see a completely different pair of goalies to start the season. If either of them outplays the guys above them, we could be damn-near a perfect team (goaltending and 4th line being the only weaknesses, in my mind).
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Another note as well...
I think Sheppard has the ability to climb the depth chart a little bit. He’s one I want to watch this year.
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by Evil Stanchion on Sep 25, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes and No
I agree in that Havlat should be on the first line, but, I disagree with your placement of Mitchell, on the fourth line. He is more of an offensive threat that McGinn. I’d put Mitchell on the third and McGinn on fourth. Also, as soon as sheppard is available, I’d move him into the third line and move Mashinter down to the fourth line.

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