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As Sharks Fan Consulting Group told us in our meeting with them yesterday, being "among the best" is not good enough.
The Minnesota Wild have learned that the hard way.
Flash back a month ago to when these two teams met on December 6th. The Wild were 17-7-3 with 37 points, 1st in the Western Conference and first in the NHL at one point. Nicklas Backstrom and Josh Harding were untouchable, Matt Hackett was getting ready to hack it in his first NHL game, and the Wild were defying the pundits by scoring timely goals to get timely wins.
The clock seems to have struck midnight for Cinderella, as the Wild have been one of the worst teams in the League since that streak ended.
Since December 10th, two games after Hackett stunned San Jose in HP Pavilion, the Wild are a miserable 1-8-3. Their underlying numbers remain roughly the same, but what's changed in a big way has been their goaltending performance between the pipes. Instead of posting a SV% that fluttered around .930 for the first two months of the season, both Backstrom and Harding have been undeniably mediocre with a combined .909 SV% over their last 12 starts.
The Wild have bled shots against as well, giving up 31.3 in that span-- again, not too much different than what they were giving up during they run to the top of the League, but a severe drop off for a team who needs goal scoring in every way imaginable.
Some teams would be able to survive with a .910 SV%, totals that circle around what has been the League average over the last few seasons. But for a Minnesota team that is 29th in the League for goals per game, starving their way towards 2.19 red lights per tilt, those goaltending hiccups have made all the difference.
Unfortunately for the Wild, and Bay Area fans who wished two former Sharks well following their departure from the team this past offseason, Dany Heatley and Devin Setoguchi have been front and center on the list of players Minnesota needs to step up.
Count me surprised at the lack of production from both players-- Heatley (13 goals in 42 games played) and Setoguchi (8 goals in 30 games played) have underperformed this season on a team that was counting on them to deliver when it counted most. Outside of the ever dangerous Mikko Koivu (33 points in 38 games played), the franchise was and will be banking on both Setoguchi and Heatley to lead the offensive attack.
It's hard to pin the faults of a franchise on just two guys however, and the fans in Minnesota understand that. The rest of the roster has similarly struggled to find the twine, leading to a situation where the first postseason appearance since 2008 is undoubtedly in jeopardy for a team that was on pace standings points wise for a game one at the Excel Center come April. The Wild banked enough points in the early going to stay in the hunt, but barring a quick turnaround soon, could play themselves out of a low seed by mid-February.
Help is on the horizon however, even if that help is still a couple years away from making a big impact. The Wild had six prospects playing in the World Juniors over this Christmas break, with Jonas Brodin, Johan Gustaffson, Johan Larsson, Mikael Granlund, Jason Zucker, and former Shark Charlie Coyle all putting up respectable tournaments that have the franchise buzzing about what it can become.
Another thing Minnesota has going for them (as well as the Western Conference elite of Vancouver, San Jose, Detroit, St. Louis, and Chicago when it comes to matchups) is that the 6-8 slots in the Western Conference seem to be wide open at this point in the season. Unlike previous years when you could come up with eight teams who had a relatively legitimate chance to reach the Finals, this year's Western Conference has some mediocre to below average teams that will make the playoffs.
From Los Angeles (6th) to Columbus (15th), every team outside of the aforementioned big five has a negative goal differential and holes in key parts of their rosters. I'd lump Los Angeles in with a team that wouldn't be fun to play in the first round, as I think they're finally putting what was an excellent roster on paper together, but the point still remains-- the West isn't as deep as it was in years prior, with two mediocre teams seemingly destined to crack the top eight.
It's part of the reason why earning a 1 or 2 seed is going to be important for San Jose, and part of the reason why Minnesota still has a chance to salvage their season and will their way into the playoffs.
They'll do their damndest to begin that turnaround tonight.
Prediction: Sharks win 3-1. Goals by McGinn, Pavelski, and Burns. The Wild continue to emulate the Wild Thing rollercoaster at Valleyfair Amusement Park in Shakopee, but come out of the big drop soon before coasting around the loop at breakneck speeds and hitting the camera tunnel where it all ends in a photo finish.
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the franchise was and will be banking on both Setoguchi to lead the offensive attack.
Is there an “and Heatley” missing from this sentence?
Nope, I meant both Setoguch-i, brothers Devin and Devon.
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On Heatley...
Actually he leads the team in goals with 13. Has 28 points. For being on a Wild team and Koivu being out for a few games, that’s not bad and would be 4th on our team in points (1 behind Pavs and Couture) and 4th in goals. For a team that is lacking offense tremedously, I think Heatley is doing fairly well under the circumstances.
But hey, that’s just me spouting off. ;)
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Truth
Heatley is getting shots and creating chances. The rest of the team, however, is so bad that squads gear up to stop the Koivu – Heatley combination. In the last game against Nashville, only one shift saw Heatley away from Suter, and he scored (I was actually tracking the head-to-head).
If the 2nd and 3rd lines could find a way to be productive again, it would really loosen some of the defense on the top line, but that’s not happening, any smart coach just matches his lines properly and shuts down the Wild offense.
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To be fair to Heatley, he definitely has been much better lately and is doing most of the damage for Minnesota during this losing streak.
Having said that, he’s on pace for 25 goals and 55 points. Maybe it’s just me, but you have to think the Wild were expecting much more than that coming into this season.
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If those 55 points end up second on the team to Koivu would it still be a disappointment?
by Briceratops on Jan 10, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yes.
It’d be one thing for Heatley to have 55 points on this team, with 4 or 5 other players with 50+ points. He’s getting more ice-time in Minny, and they really needed a 40 goal, 70+ point season from him.
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My sentiments exactly.
35 goals wouldn’t too shabby either, but he’s on pace for his lowest point total in his career.
I’m not saying he’s the root of the problem in Minnesota, because that would be ridiculous, but he (and Seto) need to be significantly better if the Wild are going to make the postseason. They brought them in to light the lamp and neither have done so yet.
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Expectations were higher for the two
But I think the reality of the situation is that Minnesota wasn’t a top-tier team, even with Heatley and Setoguchi.
I was one of the few Wild fans that realistically expected a 60-point season from Heatley and a 35-40 point season from Setoguchi. My reasoning was this:
You can’t take away a Joe Thornton, replace him with Mikko Koivu, and expect the same, if not better, results from Heatley. Koivu is a great center and he’s highly underrated across the NHL, but he’s not an MVP, elite playmaking center like Thornton. Jumbo Joe’s size makes it so hard for players to defend him that he can create space and separation and find the open man. Koivu has to work so much harder to get that same space/separation.
As for Setoguchi, I questioned the 31-goal, 64-point season. I wasn’t a buyer that he would replicate that in Minnesota because he hasn’t replicated that since. He hasn’t even really come close. Setoguchi had the reputation of being streaky, and streaky players don’t generally consistently hit 30+ goals. Personally, I always felt that Setoguchi was a product of the system. He has raw tools, but his play was elevated because he’s played with top-tier players.
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by JDesthubert on Jan 10, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
Those were the expectations I would’ve had for Heatley and Seto as well. I think the moves Minnesota made over the summer were to build for the future and they did a really, really good job of that.
I think it’s great that the Wild stormed out of the gate and are where but I really think most people didn’t see them as a playoff team this year.
by milanahalek on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed...
On all points. I expected Heatley to also have a year like last season- last season he rarely played with Thornton except on PK. With Couture as a Center, he scored 26 goals and 64 points. Koivu is a good player but like JD says, he’s not Thornton and anyone paired with Thornton is going to have elevated numbers a la Pavelski and Marleau… and Seto too. Heatley with Thornton 09-10: 39 goals, 82 points in 82 games. Not too shabby if you ask me. Take the Thornton away, you’re going to see points decreased.
Seto to me is a 2nd line winger who will give you 110%. I expect him to be around 20 goals each year (injury permitting) and 40ish points.
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by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
You've been lazy, Plank.
3:01? What the hell?
by Very Serious Person on Jan 10, 2012 4:36 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Srsly, such a slacker.
Must spend all day lazing around with naked women on piles of money.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 5:40 AM PST up reply actions
I believe in a thing called wins.
JUST LISTEN TO THE RHYTHM OF YOUR SHARKS.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 5:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
WE'LL BE SURFIN' TILL THE SUN GOES DOWN.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'm listeing, stanchervision!
I’m LISTENING – SO – FREAKIN – HARD
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Jan 10, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
on a good roll
time to build a good lead in the division now
Just a head's up...
It’s the Xcel Energy Center. No E at the beginning.
By the way… any chance you could ask the Sharks to just leave Burnzie behind? That’d be great.
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You think he will get booed for his comments earlier this season?
by Briceratops on Jan 10, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
no
Minny knew he was kidding. He is a big kid and such a goof!
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by minnesotagirl71 on Jan 10, 2012 1:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
He's definitely a goof
The other day he was high-sticking Jason Demers in the face while he was trying to give an interview from the bench it was really funny.
That's fine
But because of weight/balance requirements on the plane, we’ll need to take someone else with us, so we’ll take Koivu instead.
Thanks very much.
GO SHARKS!
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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 10, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
hey :D
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Jan 10, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
King of the road....
Sharks win tonight 3-2. Hat trick by Burnzie and his bag of toy dragons.
Wild, Jets, Blue Jackets, and the Hawks… thinking we can at least get 6-7 out of 8 points this trip.
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Ha!
Great roller-coaster reference. Don’t flash and/or flip off the camera on your way through ;) Or do, because those photos are more fun :)
Being from Minnesota, it would be rude to put something clever here.
I would add
IMHO, we’ve gone past horizon on the first hill… It hurts as much as it sounds like it would. Who knows when we’ll come back up to experience the rest of the ride? Hopefully the car doesn’t break down and come to a complete stop leaving us hanging upside down.
Being from Minnesota, it would be rude to put something clever here.
It's bound to happen...
I mean, we all know that San Jose and Minnesota are meeting in the first round of the playoffs, right? I’m pretty sure that was guaranteed from the moment Heatley and Havlat swapped spots…
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that would be sweet.
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Jan 10, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'm really impressed with Burns as of late...
He’s been fitting my expectations as the D-man I wanted.
Oh, and Vlasic for Norris.
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Not enough points
I think Erik Karlsson is well on his way to winning it.
by Briceratops on Jan 10, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Vlasic will put up 4 helpers tonight just to prove you wrong
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We're playing Minnesota.
It’s probably going to be one of those 2-1 games.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh. Unfortunately, I was at the last vs. Minnesota 2-1 game.
First minute: Pavs scores
Next 59: Harding goes out and Matt Hackett shuts the door.
UGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH.
So please light it up SJ!
Rated M for McGinn.
Karlsson’s point totals are ridiculous. He would be leading the Sharks in points right now if he was on the team, and I’m pretty sure that goes for about half the teams in the NHL at this point as well.
Norris is definitely going to him unless someone catches fire in the second half.
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Isn't he on the Sens?
He isn’t leading THEM in points? O.o
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
No, Spezza does.
Have them both on my fantasy team…2 mediocre expectation picks that turned out great.
Dany Heatley=All-star.
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by dfh15 on Jan 10, 2012 2:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ha.
Reminds me of a buddy of mine at school. He picked Brian Campbell in the LAST ROUND of his Yahoo pool. I told him to take the guy mid-draft… Thinking I’ll give the fantasy hockey thing a go next year.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously
He’s second in the league in assists and tied with Toews for fourteenth in the league in points. I think you have to consider taking him first overall if you were going to start a franchise from scratch and could pick any player in the league to start it with.
Ah yes...The Norris Trophy
Still awarded to the “Defenseman Who Scores the Most Points” right?
by BillytheSid on Jan 10, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Green might like a word with you
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They should make a Vlasic Trophy.
For Best Defenseman, disregarding points.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Defenceman*
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Our American ways are rubbing off on you.
Soon you’ll be spelling “center” instead of “centre”! Mwuahahahahaha!
America: Centre of the universe.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, you and your Canadian passive aggressiveness.
Be nice or we’ll take away your visitation rights for William Shatner and send back Justin Bieber and Celine Dion.
Those two are wanted criminals in Canada.
We’d welcome their extradition.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I call upon the advanced statistic gurus to analyze Karlsson vs Vlasic.
As of now Vlasic is +20 to Karlsson’s +7.
Now I know +/- is not the best stat, but I would think that Karlsson aint that great because if he did not have a truckload of assists, he would not even be a + player.
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If +/- means anything, it would be when compared to teammates rather than players on other teams. There can be occasions when I player is on the ice and is doing everything right, but their teammate makes a mistake and a goal is scored, resulting in a minus for the player who is doing nothing wrong defensively. A good all-around player will still be on the ice when their teammates mess up, but as they don’t commit those mistakes, there’s a better chance that they won’t be on the ice when that happens.
So when comparing Karlsson’s +/- to the rest of the Sens, it’s the third best, meaning that he’s one of the better all-around players. Also, looking at his stats, he’s gotten almost half of his points on the PP, which means that there is no +/- change. He looks like one of the better offensive players on the Senators that doesn’t make a lot of defensive mistakes.
Meanwhile, Vlasic’s +/- is by far the leader of the Sharks, and all but one of his points come at even strength. It shows that he’s not seen as an offensive player, but is extremely solid defensively.
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4-1
Sharks Win…2 from 12, 1 from 39, 1 from 22…
And Seto scores for the wild…
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by will_hunter23 on Jan 10, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
NBC network tonight not CSNCA
Thought i’d throw it out there.
Go Big or Go Home
by ChangoT on Jan 10, 2012 11:04 AM PST via mobile reply actions
ex-versus
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Jan 10, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Much appreciated.
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 10, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Congrats
To Matt Cullen playing his 1000th game tonight!!
Even though the Wild have been struggling I expect them to play a very good game tonight. It’s going to be interesting to see how Burns plays in his first time back there.
Hope they can extend the win streak to 5 – Go Sharks!
Meanwhile, at the Woodland Watchtower of Wild:
Setoguchi is doing this:
Heatley: "Don’t listen to fear the fin man! Let’s watch more anime! And are you finishing that Philly roll?
Setoguchi: (through manly Canadian tears) You can have it.
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Jan 10, 2012 11:59 AM PST reply actions
no Setoguchi tonight
but it was fun to see Burnzie warming up on Xcel ice!
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