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Trade Speculation Thread.


Since the All-Star week is boring as sin, I thought I'd make up a thread for the inevitable trade/movement discussions. Big news today coming out of San Jose, as Antero Niittymaki is placed on waivers. Does this mean that he has no trade value? Are no other teams interested? Is Niittymaki being a pain in the ass for the Sharks organization, giving them trouble during his conditioning stint? What could this mean for Sharks pieces available for trade?

First, let's take a look at our current stable of players, for reference in these discussions.

Forwards:

Marleau - Thornton - Pavelski

Clowe (IR) - Couture - Havlat (IR)

McGinn - Handzus - Ferreiro

Winchester - Desjardins - Mitchell

A. Murray/Wingels/McCarthy/McLaren

Defence:

Boyle - D. Murray

Burns - Vlasic

Demers - Braun

Vandermeer - White

Goal:

Niemi

Greiss

Niittymaki

And prospects.

Now. Sharks seem to be in the market for a top-six forward; one that can not only that can fill in for current injuries, but can also swap out with our current top six if someone falters. I'd also be inclined to think we're looking for someone that can PK reliably. Goaltending is fine. Defence should be alright, since we have 8 guys that can play reliably.

Personally, I think some of the names the Sharks will target include Derek Roy, Paul Gaustad, and any other Sabres that may be available and able to contribute, MAYBE Ryan Suter if he's available (and the Sharks think they can sign him long-term), and any piece from a selling team that can be had at the right price. I also predict that we will see a few big, blockbuster trades this year, though I'm not sure San Jose will be a part of those. I could forsee a team like Edmonton trading a young star or two to get someone equivalent to a Thornton or a Marleau, and maybe a high pick. That could just be crazy speculation, but something has to give for these struggling franchises.

Pieces San Jose have a available include any of their bottom four defencemen, Mitchell, Niittymaki, draft picks, and possibly prospects. A top six forward may move if the return is right.

Anyway, feel free to contribute any thoughts and insights, and keep FTF updated on any big trades that happen around the league. Crazy speculation welcome.

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Niitty placed on waivers today

According to twitter..

He’s not gonna get traded for anything.

by Old Kentucky Shark on Jan 25, 2012 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

Well. If he clears waivers, and someone's goalie goes out for the season before the 27th... Who knows?

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

If he clears waivers

Where a team could get him for free…

….why would they later trade something away to get him?

Injury, sure, but there’s better options out there if they have to trade. I just don’t see him having any more trade value at this point.

by Old Kentucky Shark on Jan 25, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Salary cap

Team’s might want to offset his 2M cap hit by unloading someone on the Sharks.

by drewhamlet on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Does

thias mean we have anothe 2.5 in cap space freed up? if so, i would say “good move”

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by will_hunter23 on Jan 25, 2012 1:49 PM PST reply actions  

No

Not unless someone claims him or the assign him to the AHL or Europe of something. He stays on the cap until then.

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Shiaza!!!

Thanks for the info

"Now your gunna get it Bobby" -Happy
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by will_hunter23 on Jan 25, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Except that if he clears waivers then they can put him to the AHL, and they will if they need the cap space since it is pretty clear he won’t play unless there is an injury to Niemi/Griess. So that cap space can pretty much be counted.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 25, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya…said that in my post.

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Suter

There is no MAYBE on Suter, but you can keep dreaming if you want.

The Sharks have been said to be shopping for a top 6 forward and that’s just about it.

Niitty has no value at all, hopefully he’ll get claimed but I don’t think he will.

I also don’t see the Sharks moving a top 6 forward since they’re looking to add to the group they have, unless one top 6 will return two (don’t see that happening).

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 1:50 PM PST reply actions  

Clowe for Hall and Nugent-Hopkins!

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Throw in that Eberle kid and Paajarvi.

I have a Twitter account and I have a blog, but I don't have time to write more than 140 characters at a time.

by stufflife on Jan 25, 2012 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Greiss

is still the Sharks biggest trading chip, and his value keeps going up with each game he plays. Right now he’s at 1.98 GAA and .930 SV%. Pretty solid even though he’s mostly put up those numbers against some of the poorer teams in the league. Greiss’s contract is also much more attractive than Niitymaki’s was, especially when the Sharks have a ton of goalies in their minor league affiliates that could easily come in and be a serviceable backup (Stalock, Sexsmith, Sateri). I guess Niitty just didn’t draw enough interest (not surprising), so it’s not surprising he was waived.

The Sharks’ next most valuable trade asset is either Braun or Demers. I think Demers still has the bigger upside (and is a year younger and has more NHL experience), but I don’t think you can go wrong with either guy if you had to pick just one. Then again, I would love for the Sharks to keep both guys as I don’t see a future with either Vandy/White, so Braun/Demers will round out our bottom 6 Defensemen next year if neither of those guys return (likely).

At the end of the day though, none of those guys command a legit return on their own, the Sharks will have to package them. If the Sharks DO make a move to get a top 6 forward, I think you’ll see a Greiss/Braun/Ferriero-type package going the other way.

by BillytheSid on Jan 25, 2012 1:54 PM PST reply actions  

I don't believe for a second that we couldn't unlaod Niittymaki for at least a 5th or something.

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Why

He’s a career platoon / backup goalie making $2mil yet hasn’t played a game all season.

Who would trade an asset for that?

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

The same reason Toronto paid Jeff Finger 4 million dollars.

When there’s a need, you’ll buy any crap.

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3tcQI5EEiA

by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

There's not a real big need for back up goalies

The few teams who do are out of the playoffs and not likely to get back in so why bother?

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Except while he’s been a career backup, that was with him being behind better goalies. He can start on teams that are having goalie trouble like Columbus, etc. Just because he’s been a backup most of his career doesn’t mean he’s so terrible that he can’t start for a team that has no other options.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 25, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

But why would Columbus waste $800 on a goalie when their season is pretty much done? Sanford has done a pretty good job considering the circumstances as well.

TB may, but SY has said multiple times he will not get a bandaid…and that’s all Niitty would be for them this year.

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I still say Ottawa could use him.

They are trying to make a playoff push and their backup Alex Auld is pretty bad. They also have tons of cap space.

by Briceratops on Jan 25, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

But

If they have tons of cap space, it stands to reason that they’d have no problem trading for him outright.

Then again, this cap-for-cap thing mentioned below could be more to benefit us, since we have less cap-space, though I’m not quite sure how that’d differ from any other trade.

by bezzerkker on Jan 25, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember he was hurt half of LAST season too!

by psantangeli on Jan 25, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Greiss

I’m pretty sure the fact that the org. put Niitty on waivers means they will be sticking with Greiss. I’m gonna go ahead and say there’s less than a 1% chance he’ll be moved.

If they want to trade for a pending UFA, I really don’t think Braun or Demers would be included in a trade.

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't saying they were the most likely people to be traded

Just that they were the highest value “tradeable” pieces the Sharks have.

by BillytheSid on Jan 25, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be so sure about that since Stalock is just coming off of injury.

He may be an amazing, record-setting goalie when he’s at the top of his game, but he has to get back into that form, and two games in the ECHL isn’t going to do that. For now, I’d think that Sexsmith is third on the depth chart. Later, when Stalock getes back into the swing of things, I’d agree with you.

by bezzerkker on Jan 26, 2012 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I personally don’t think greiss is a trade chip this season, hes proven hes a capable goaltender this season and I was very anti-greiss at the start of the season but he has won me over. I understand we have plenty of up and coming goaltenders in the AHL but none that I think me or management would feel comfortable with in a playoff run. Especially given Niemi’s track record last post season even though I’m a huge Niemi supporter, I think we need to have Greiss as an option during the run. Much like how the Canucks are holding onto Cory Schneider. I also don’t believe we will be parting with any of our current 8 D as its been stressed many times that the organization likes that depth going forward.

by RZ39 on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Demers and Braun

Need to stay…They are already good NHL D-Men…They will continue to blossom..I don’t want the Sharks to pull another Brad Stuart/Sandis Oze…

"Now your gunna get it Bobby" -Happy
Will Harris San Jose - Sacramento

by will_hunter23 on Jan 25, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Since we're speculating...

Here’s what I would like:

Sexsmith, Mitchell +#55 for Rutuu (Mitchell is a salary throw in and I included Sexsmith ’cus Car is short on goalies and there will be a bidding war for Rutuu)

2013 3rd (include Ferriero if they have to) for Gaustad or Nielsen (though I don’t think the Isles will move him)

Marleau/Thornton/Pavs
Clowe/Couture/Rutuu (or Havlat)
McGinn/Zus/Havlat (or Rutuu)
Wincester/Desi/Gaustad

or

Marleau/Thornton/Pavs
Clowe/Couture/Rutuu (or Havlat)
McGinn/Nielsen/Havlat (or Rutuu)
Wincester/Zus/Desi

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 2:13 PM PST reply actions  

I like

how you moved Zus to the 4th line on that second one. We might not get Suter but there’s still a chance Handzus will get moved down… slow bastard. He’s been good defensively but offensively he’s looking like a bust this year.

Don’t you think Gaustad would slow the team down even more? I wanted the Sharks to get him somehow before the year started, but got Zus for free instead.

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by raphelo on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

NASH

Do you think Columbus will make a move?

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by will_hunter23 on Jan 25, 2012 2:26 PM PST reply actions  

Yes.

I’ve seen a couple of rumours regarding Nash… My favourite of which is Nash to Florida. :D

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Nashville will definitely be making moves but I don’t think they’ll trade Nash.

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Reread this post. XD

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

Columbus…Nash was stuck in my head!

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Rick Nashville would be pretty cool.

Rated M for McGinn.

by DownRUpLYB on Jan 25, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

The most likely trade.

Would be one of the 3rd/4th d-pairs. As stated Braun and Demers are the likely suspects, since C White and Vandermeer have minimal cap hits, and I doubt anyone wants them. If they do move one/ both of those two, then I seriously suspect DW will get Brad Stuart in his UFA this summer. Nostalgia! :D

by Rockflpn on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

I highly doubt Braun or Demers gets moved, unless you’re getting a D-man in that trade (prospect, or otherwise). I find it much more likely that White and Vandermeer do not get re-signed, if DW is indeed after Stuart.

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by Bockerz on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I REALLY hope we keep Braun.

He’s looked great in the time he’s played. Demers, despite his great work ethic outside of game, is expendable. He’s just making too many mistakes. But the return would have to be right: Maybe Demers and pick for a legitimate top six winger?

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed to some extent

I hope DW doesn’t touch the defense, at least until the offseason. As we saw with Demers getting injured in the playoffs last year, I’d feel a lot better having backup on both the right and the left side.

But in the offseason, it’d be interesting to see where some of our defensive prospects stand—is Irwin close to being ready? Petrecki? Bring them in, keep White or Vandermeer?

Demers certainly has a lot of potential still—he’s got such good offensive instincts and can contribute on the PP already—so I certainly wouldn’t give him up for cheap. Braun will be getting a new contract this offseason, and he’s already so solid all around, you know DW loves having a guy like that under team control for several more years.

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by Timorous Me on Jan 25, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

But there is also this:

https://twitter.com/#!/markedwinemmons/status/162302242668560385

What team do you think is interested?

by Chomp On This on Jan 25, 2012 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

bah, wrong link.

“Another team may be interested in Niittymaki, but cannot claim him due to cap issues. So that would mean making a trade to match salaries.”

by Chomp On This on Jan 25, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

It’s all speculation…I would think that Detroit and Ott might be interested in Niitty and could put in a claim.

If there was a team that wanted to trade salary for salary, Wilson probably would’ve done it, I don’t think he wants to take any NHL salary back.

Niitty can also go to Europe.

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

So the ship has sailed on Niittymaki for Stamoks, then?

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3tcQI5EEiA

by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately yes

But I hear the Lightning might be willing to give us Stamkos

by cachow6 on Jan 30, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Kings, Canucks, Sabres, and Maple Leafs are the only teams that do not have the available cap space to take on Nitty.

I doubt the Canucks want him, since Schneider is pretty good for them. Enroth on the Sabres also has pretty decent numbers and is really cheap for them (~650k for another year and is RFA), so I don’t think they’re interested. The kings are a possible option, but since they have Bernier locked in for another year I don’t think they’d want to carry 3 goalies for a small minor upgrade over Bernier.

That leaves the Leafs, and looking at the numbers of their goalies it would make sense for them to look for an upgrade in that area. Ther can keep Riemer and replace Gustavsson. They’re in playoff contention so they’re definitely willing to make moves to upgrade for the stretch.

The thing is though, if they were really interested in him but can’t claim because of cap issues, then why wouldn’t they have been at the trade table before waivers were necessary for the Sharks. So that kinda implies that they want to be interested by dont want to give up pieces for him anyways.

Disregarding that, I could see a Mitchell, Nitty, and low low pick or mediocre prospect for Macarthur, or maybe something like Nitty and picks/prospects for Kulemin, since he’s having a down year compared to last year’s production.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 25, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Phoenix or NY Islanders might take an interest, based on the goaltending situations they have faced over the last year.

by zack007attack on Jan 25, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone subscribe to that ESPN crap?

This line intrigues me:
“GM Wilson could be talking to Sabres, Wild and others”

Wish I could see the full article. DW and Minnesota’s GM must be tanning buddies.

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3tcQI5EEiA

by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

This one made me laugh. Heartily.
Christian Ehrhoff hopes to lead a more defensive Sabres squad.

Good luck with that, bud.

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3tcQI5EEiA

by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

30 thoughts from E. Friedmen

He said in his weekly article that there are “people” who think the Sharks should be interested in Gaustad and another “person” who said the Sharks should be interested in Zidlicky.

Not sure if those are the same rumors or not…Gaustad would make sense, Zicklicky does not.

by milanahalek on Jan 25, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

What is a Gaustad, exactly?

PK specialist? And isn’t Zidlicky that guy from Transformers a defenceman?

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Gaustad is 6'5.

He kills penalties. And people, because he’s fucking huge.

by Briceratops on Jan 25, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

His real talent is at taking 17 minutes of penalties at one time. also winning faceoffs, he can regularly hit 60%.

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by Steven Hida on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

And Zidlicky is an overpaid and often injured defenseman.

He’s not bad, but I wouldn’t want him and his 4 mil cap hit next season.

by Briceratops on Jan 25, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Good to know that Elliotte was reading my posts on here last week about Gaustad—and that I’m not the only one thinking Gaustad would be a great fit.

PK, faceoffs, defensive-minded, offensively capable of chipping in, big, physical. 3rd/4th line center. Yeah, I’ll take it. 55th pick in the draft?

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by Timorous Me on Jan 25, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Kyle Brodziak maybe?

Pending UFA. He kills penalties, he’s big, he scores, he plays center…he immediately upgrades our third line and could play on our second line until Havlat comes back.

by Briceratops on Jan 25, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Cal Clutterbuck

I doubt it would happen, but I would LOVE if the Sharks could acquire Clutterbuck. He’s one of the most physical, checking forwards in the league (and the Sharks really need to start throwing around some more checks) and he has decent scoring potential so he could fill in on the top 6 until Havlat and possibly Clowe return.
I don’t think Minnesota would want to part with him, but I’ve wished the Sharks would get him for a couple years now.

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by puppysoldier on Jan 25, 2012 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

You never know
I don’t think Minnesota would want to part with him, but I’ve wished the Sharks would get him for a couple years now.

People said the same thing about Brent Burns and voila. And Wilson & Fletcher are all BFFs now.

Rated M for McGinn.

by DownRUpLYB on Jan 25, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Except you have to look at what it took to get Burns. Top 6 forward, 1st rnd pick in the very next draft, and our top offensive prospect. I don’t think we’d be able to get one of their better scorers without giving up a lot, like Mitchell, Demers, AND a pick/prospect. But without Nitty as a trade piece, that pretty much is what all the trade talks are going to look like unfortunately.

Personally i’m just hoping that Sheppard can rehabilitate to the Sharks system and smoke some faces on the 3rd or 2nd, since he should be back before the end of Feb if he’s already skating again.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Generally I don't think it happens anyway

based on Minnesota trying to hang tough and make the playoffs this year based on the raised expectations of the fans after their earlier success, I think they’d rather lean to buyers over sellers this year.

But if Clutterbuck was on the market, I think you’re right about the cost it would take.

Rated M for McGinn.

by DownRUpLYB on Jan 26, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions  

This is true, but it really depends on what they feel that they need. If a team feels like only minor pieces will get them over the hump then they’re pure buyers, meaning they pickup pending UFAs from seller teams that can’t/won’t retain them next season in exchange for draft picks. Very rarely are these kinds of players impact players that can immediately turn a team around.

No doubt there are good players that can be obtained this way (Ian White for one), but rarely are there any “carry the team on their back” kinds of guys let go for that (and if so its usually cause they’re poor on their old team but flourish in a new system, like how Michael Grabner didn’t make it out of the Panthers camp, was waived but picked up by the Islanders where he went on to score 34 goals in the season).

So it really depends on a bunch of factors, how long Koivu is going to be out, and which area the Wild feel that they need most to move forward, and thus how to get it. Thus they could be open to player for player(s) trades, but yea I agree I don’t think the Wild are going to go for picks alone.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Mitchell for malkin demers for Weber havlat for parise and marleau for Nash +1st and a 2nd for gustad and Nathan moon for clutterbuck

by Levi Matthews on Jan 25, 2012 9:06 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

You forgot Irwin for Gretzky

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by pooponastick on Jan 25, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Pfft

Irwin for Gretzky? He’s retired and old!

Irwin for Crosby, magic anti-concussion syrum, and a 1st.

by Chomp On This on Jan 25, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

but Gretzky’s the best!

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by pooponastick on Jan 27, 2012 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Test if those work on NHL 12.

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Official song of the Sharks' late 2nd period:
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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 25, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that Marleau for Nash and the 1st overall pick?

If not, then no thanks.

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by Bockerz on Jan 26, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Mitchell is first on the list.

The final end of the Seto/Mitchell era is near. He’s a passable player that has never lived up to his potential. He’s already been sat this year. Like Seto, he probably has some value in that you could argue that a change of scenery would be good for him. I was surprised he lasted the summer.

Demers has also been sat (extensively) this year. He’s probably next on the block.

You have to give up value to get value.

by psantangeli on Jan 25, 2012 9:31 PM PST reply actions  

I do like the Gaustad idea… We REALLY could use a big body that’s not afraid of standing in front of the net. Not sure what Buffalo is looking for though – depends on which direction they are going with the team, as it’s sort of a collection of spare parts.

The short-guy in me would also like to see Nathan Gerbe on the team… but maybe that’s just me :-)

by psantangeli on Jan 25, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Also… a week or two ago, I would have said “If Teemu is looking to finish his career with a contender, I’d welcome him back.” But the ducks are on fire, and are probably starting to think they won’t be sellers this year.

by psantangeli on Jan 25, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I wanted Mitchell gone in the summer and Demers, even with his great year last year has never done it for me. Now that Nitty probably won’t be traded and Irwin looking good for hopefully next year, I’m going with those two. Even though, we would be minus Demers in the playoffs again which I’m not too sure about….?

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by raphelo on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Mitchell will be a UFA after the season

So unless you’re dealing with a contender who sees Mitchell as a piece to their puzzle, it’s unlikely you can get anything for him (and a trade like that would make no sense, anyway, for both parties).

He’s been pretty solid since his one game benching; the best realistic hope is that he continues to contribute on the 3rd or 4th line—I doubt he’s going anywhere until the summer.

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by Timorous Me on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Not alone, but Mitchell as part of a package with either Braun or Demers, as well as probably a 3rd/4th round pick is probably what will be shopped around for a 15-20 goal scorer. Could honestly even see Murray being part of that instead of Braun/Demers, to appeal to teams needing some more bottom 4 defense and a potentially good forward for the loss of a more established bottom 6 scorer.

As much as I don’t want to see it happen, since I still have high hopes for Demers’ turnaround, I think it probably will given the upcoming defensive prospects we have in our system like Irwin, Moore, Petrecki, and Doherty.

If Sheppard was going to be ready soon, Clowe ready after All Star break, and Havlat ready by mid Feb then I don’t think any moves outside of clearing Nitty would happen. Unfortunately I don’t think Shep or Havlat will be ready until March, not counting conditioning time (especially for Shep), though Clowe should be ok in a couple weeks tops. So with goal scoring being a question mark I think DW will pull the trigger on a 15-20 goal scorer for the 5th/6th spot and/or for 3rd line depth (like what having Pavelski on the 3rd did for us last year).

by VVhirlwind on Jan 26, 2012 3:29 AM PST up reply actions  

If you look at past trades, it will NOT take a young cheap d-man w/ upside plus to acquire what the Sharks need. Higgins went for a 2nd, Kelly went for a 2nd – they would both be exactly what the Sharks need. Wilson spent the entire off season talking about defensive depth, he won’t go into the playoffs this year w/o 8 NHL ready d-men (there are NO NHL ready d-men in Worcester).

The ONLY way one of the rostered d-men gets moved is if it’s for a youngish forward signed to either a multi year deal or who is a RFA after this season.

And anyone who thinks Sheppard will have any impact on this team this year really shouldn’t hold their breath. If, by chance,. he makes his deadline of playing on March 1st – manages to get through his conditioning stint unharmed, he’ll be at most a press box player for the rest of the year…wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see the Sharks waive him and have him play out the season in Worcester.

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

The offseason was also spent with the assumption that Havlat would be more than a pylon. Higgens went for a prospect and a 3rd, and that is also because he is perpetually injured (and was injured at the time of the deadline trade) coming out of 2 straight underperforming years. Kelly was a 11 goal scorer whose numbers are on pace to top his career numbers over 6 seasons. Possibly good scouting identifying a player that would do well in a different system, but before this year would you predict him to have the 25+ goal season he’s on pace for? Nope.

Not 100% on this, but i’m also pretty sure I read that DW was also quoted that he isn’t really looking into the rental players anymore, only really pulling the trigger on longer term players.

I never said Shep would have an giant impact, like him coming around will be the next coming of Couture, but he is an NHL ready forward that should be able to play with some energy on the 3rd line and contribute some scoring. You think Mccarthy or Mashinter can come in and do jack squat? Wingels (since Ferriero can’t really be considered a prospect anymore, since he has to go through waivers to go down) is really the last forward prospect we have that has that 2nd line potential, and he’s injured also, so of course i’m pushing for an NHL ready guy to get healthy and help out on the struggling 3rd.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 27, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

he is an NHL ready forward that should be able to play with some energy on the 3rd line and contribute some scoring

by milanahalek on Jan 27, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

but he is an NHL ready forward that should be able to play with some energy on the 3rd line and contribute some scoring

Here’s where we disagree about Sheppard – he hasn’t played a hockey game in almost 2 years, and when he did, he wasn’t good.

The Sharks need to upgrade the 3rd line, no doubt about that – but Sheppard isn’t the answer.

Regarding rentals – I think it was Drew Rememda who actually said it, and not wanting to trade for a rental could mean a whole lot of different things…I’m guessing, if Wilson said that at all, he’s saying the same thing he says every year – he brings in players that fit the team and players that he would like keep, it just doesn’t usually work out that way.

by milanahalek on Jan 27, 2012 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Isnt this what we'd call a "window of opportunity"

So why are worried about prospects or bottom pairing defenders? Make a move DW, this is the year. I’m not complaining if a deal which sets us back a few years from now if it clearly makes us better now.

by Fakers Stink on Jan 25, 2012 10:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Because the problem is there isn’t likely going to be a single player that comes and suddenly turns around a team that can be obtained for what the Sharks can afford to lose. The off season is a unique time when teams decide to change directions and such, but mid season the possibility of big name player trades is much less because of the time it takes for a player to adjust to a new team/coaching style/etc.

We’re worried about prospects and bottom pairing defenders because those bottom pair players grow into top line players in a couple years depending on who they are. A player like Vand can’t grow beyond their role, but Demers and Braun most definitely can. So trading the future of the franchise for the small chance that who they get can dramatically change things is a bit of a stretch. Obtaining pieces in trade deadline deals are more to build on what you have for the stretch, and not redefining your team.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to mention you don’t want to lose the depth that you’ve got on the blue line—which, come playoff time, can certainly impact a series—while also impacting the future of the blue line, which is really, along with goaltending, the strength of the Sharks’ system.

The system is so thin as it is I almost wish DW wouldn’t trade a single pick or prospect, needs be damned. But then I think of that shiny, silver cup, and figure a deal or two might get the Sharks within reach of it (realistically, I look at them right now—even fully healthy—as probably around 6-8 in terms of favorites to win the thing).

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by Timorous Me on Jan 26, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d have to disagree on the cup chances at least. Fully healthy, with Havlat performing at even half his capabilities from the Wild on the 1st or 2nd line (WHY DIDNT YOU TRY HIM WITH JUMBO TMAC WHYYYYYYYYYYYY) and comfortable with his new team (think about it, he wasn’t back for a long time and was finally starting to gel and get comfortable when he got reinjured), and I think the Sharks are top 4 in chances for the cup.

If Havlat becomes a non factor when returning much like Heatlet was for our post seasons then yes I would agree that the Sharks’ chances start to slip down.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 26, 2012 3:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess I just see Boston, New York, Vancouver, and Chicago as clearly above the Sharks at this point (not like they’re a mile ahead or anything), and then the Sharks in a group with Detroit, Philly, Pittsburgh—possibly in the top group, if healthy—and St. Louis, with L.A. not far behind.

No matter how you cut it, it’s going to be a hell of a competitive playoffs this year in both the west and the east (I didn’t even mention Washington), so I think the Sharks still need to improve their forward depth to truly have a chance.

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by Timorous Me on Jan 26, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Sharks beat Boston 4-2 this year and 2-0 last year. Sharks are 4-2-1 against Chicago this year and last year, with this year’s 3 games all being 1 goal affairs. The Vancouver games, while ending 1-2-1, were all 1 goal games against rested Canuck teams with Havlat missing all but 1 of those games.

Worrisome for sure, but I’ll stand by my assertion that if we have a healthy Havlat that down the stretch starts performing at even half of what he was production with the Wild then we’ll be ok, and that those teams aren’t “clearly” above SJ.

While improving forward depth is always good, the question really is what can you get while not hurting what you have too much.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 27, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

A lot of those one goal games are because Niemi/Greiss are standing on their heads

The Sharks have rarely looked like they deserve to be on the same ice as the Canucks and Hawks this year.

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by Kazoonole on Jan 29, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

The only way I see us acquiring a 2nd/3rd liner is if me move Demers or Braun.

It hurts, but you have to remember there has to be a reason the other team would want to make the deal.

Torrey Mitchell will not seduce them.

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by jwizzle241 on Jan 26, 2012 3:33 AM PST reply actions  

Torrey Mitchell will not seduce them.

I feel like this has potential as a meme.

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by jwizzle241 on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Lord Vader was seduced by the Torrey side.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 5:44 AM PST up reply actions  

we have a better record now than we did last year

so i dont see us having a huge problem. we should have our IR guys back before playoffs, so our goal should be to get coyle back.

by WPcadet on Jan 26, 2012 4:25 AM PST reply actions  

Sharks and Panthers trade prospects.

Sharks trade D Sean Sullivan for C Tim Kennedy. I think. I may be wrong on the names, since I`m on mobile and can`t swap pages.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I was just looking for info on this
my twitter-ma-dealie said this:

#SJSharks acquire forward Tim Kennedy from FLA in exchange for defenseman Sean Sullivan.

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by Merope on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Tim Kennedy seems like ok depth

was Sullivan that big of a loss?

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by Dmitriy on Jan 26, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like a career AHLer, beyond the prospect stage, so no real loss, I guess.

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by Timorous Me on Jan 26, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

27 years old.

If he hasn’t peaked by now, ain’t gonna happen. Unless his name is Tim Thomas.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Sullivan

He’s a pretty big loss for Worcester – good offensive d-man, good leader, 4th on the team in scoring. He’s a very, very good AHL d-man, but he wouldn’t ever make the SJ line up.

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea, pretty sure he was a AHL FA signing or something, and while he produced points for Worcester, he didnt have the chops to get a callup, at least for SJ. Maybe Tallon sees something different in him (or needs some “veteran” guy on their farm team to help develop their defensive prospects).

Hurts Worcester to lose Sullivan, but we gain a seemingly NHL ready guy, and hopefully the change of scenery can turn his game back on track.

If he can replicate his rookie season and if the Sharks staff can get him feeling wanted and thus get over the psychological damage being put on waivers 3 times in 2 years can do, then I like the move, since it didn’t really cost anything, though I guess if Worcester nosedives then that could hurt prospect development.

by VVhirlwind on Jan 27, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

He's not a prospect

His rookie season was in 2009-2010 with Buffalo and he scored ten goals and sixteen assists while averaging ~13 minutes a game. He was in the minors most of last season. He’s 25 years old and pretty small (5-10 173 lbs.) He plays LW.

by Briceratops on Jan 26, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Looks to me like he fell out of favor in Florida.

They sent him to the AHL after his pretty decent 2009-2010 rookie campaign and he has been bullocks with them this season. Maybe a change of scenery will do him good.

by Briceratops on Jan 26, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

He was with Buffalo as a rookie

Sort of a weird and winding path since then. Hometown boy making good as a rookie, and then, after that rookie year, he got a $1 MM arbitration award—that led to a dispute with the club and his eventually being waived and his contract bought out.

Since then, he hasn’t been able to stick with the Rangers or, now, the Panthers. I guess DW must be unimpressed with guys like McCarthy and McLaren as options to fill in on the 4th line in injury-plagued situations.

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by Timorous Me on Jan 26, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess DW must be unimpressed with guys like McCarthy and McLaren as options to fill in on the 4th line in injury-plagued situations.

That’s not it at all…this is strictly an AHL trade, for this year anyway. The WorSharks had too many d-men and not enough forwards. They were regularly using d-men to play forward, that’s problem. This was strictly to address that problem.

If, by some longshot, Kennedy can return to his rookie form that a plus, but the guy has put up 2 points in 27 AHL games this year, he’s not going to be cracking the NHL roster anytime soon, especially over McCarthy or Wingels.

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry

2 point in 27 NHL games, not AHL.

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I think your Worcester explanation makes sense, but Wilson could have acquired ANY guy from around the AHL for this role. Instead he chose a guy who has extensive NHL experience, this year and in the past. I think that certainly might hint at some feeling that he believes Kennedy might get a recall at some point this season.

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by Timorous Me on Jan 26, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He might be recalled

He’s not waiver exempt as far as I know, though no one has bothered claiming him any of the other times he’s been waived.

He’s just not a 4th line player, he’s small, not physical at all and is not good defensively…he’s a bit like Ferriero really w/o the goalscoring (rookie year aside).

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah—I’m certainly not saying I want him in that role for the Sharks. But I do think it speaks to Wilson’s frustration, possibly, with the forwards in the system right now.

Any extra depth in the system is good, but this move, unfortunately, won’t really do anything for the Sharks. Maybe a sign that something bigger isn’t that far off, though.

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by Timorous Me on Jan 26, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly think that this was a trade to address problems in Worcester and has very little to do with the NHL roster, if it does have anything to do w/ it it’s down the road. The WorSharks are on the playoff bubble and needed to adress their serious lack of forwards. MacIntyre, Lucia, Marcou, and Guite are all out (3 of them likely for the year).

They’re in desparate need of scoring forwards and chances are, Kennedy was about as good as they can get right now. Not many AHL teams willing to move scorers either.

And, while Wilson does have to approve all trades, I wouldn’t be surprised if Thomas made the decision on this one (AHL player for AHL player).

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

w/o the goalscoring (rookie year aside).

He never really got a chance after his rookie season. Twenty-six points isn’t bad for a rookie third liner. That’s more than Mitchell did at the same age, in less games.

by Briceratops on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

What are the odds of Mitchell being traded and replaced with Kennedy?

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty low, I’d think. Mitchell’s been playing rather well.

Depends on how Kennedy fits in.

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by Bockerz on Jan 26, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure what your point is about comparing their rookies seasons…Mitchell at least brings a checking game and, before this season, was a penatly killer.

But he hasn’t put up many goals since that season in the AHL either.
25 goals in 148 games.

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

...

He’s 25 years old and pretty small (5-10 173 lbs.) He plays LW.

I call bullshit. He looks 16, 145 lbs. soaking wet.

Rated M for McGinn.

by DownRUpLYB on Jan 26, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He does kinda look like a teenage girl in that picture.

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

They need more from Jumbo

They need Jumbo to play like he did in spurts against the Flames the other night where he had some time and space and was threading passes to his teammates creating quality scoring chances.

by berge7f9 on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

I forgot to say that the Sharks don’t need other players; they need their playmakers to play better and make their linemates better

by berge7f9 on Jan 26, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Doug Wilson disagrees.

A number of times he has said that this team won’t be assembled until the trade deadline.

by bezzerkker on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Tim Kennedy goes on to score 57 points in the playoffs.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually had a thought about this point.

I don’t think that the team lacks talent, or chemistry, or any of that. I think the biggest problem with this team is the increased focus on defence. Now, I mean, it’s great to have players that play a good defensive game, but too often, teams that play “defensive” tend to get hemmed in their own zone, and fail to generate quality scoring chances. The Sharks get a lot of shots, but too often, they’re content with a 1-goal lead and proceed to sit back in their own zone.

I remember a few years back, when the Sharks’ cycle game would set up in the opponents end for a good five minutes. I really miss those days. I feel like an increased focus on the old offensive tactics of old combined with the recently-learned defensive skills of the team could make for sheer domination… And it’s part of the reason why I wouldn’t be bothered by a coaching change.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

According to EPSN, a team in interested in Niittymaki.

It appears that “salary swap” thing suggested earlier might happen. LIKELY for some underachieving near-UFA whose salary the Sharks can absorb for a while. Maybe we could use this person?

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM PST reply actions  

Semin for Niittymaki? :P

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Does everyone here really think we need a depth forward?

We seem to have a plethora of good 3rd/4th line guys atm. Personally i think we need some kind of impact forward, but i don’t think we have the trade chips to get one and i don’t really want to trade any of our big guys.

Maybe all we need is for Havlat and Clowe to get healthy and for them and everyone else to start playing up to expectations.

I would love me some Shane Doan though.

by Khaaz on Jan 26, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions  

What's your opinion of Semin?

Washington’s looking to dump salary, and we have cap space.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I made it up in my brain.

But no, I’ve been hearing this all season, and that the club is generally unhappy with Semin… Mostly on TSN. But like any rumour, it’s just a rumour.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh

I’ve seen the rumors that they’re unhappy with Semin, nothing about them wanting to dump salary – so I was just curious.

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I know this was earlier in the season, because I had cable at the time.

I was either watching That’s Hockey or a Sharks game on TSN, and I know TSN likes to make shit up, but they kept bringing up Semin being trade bait, and a need to create cap space to fill holes.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh i wouldn’t want to give up any of our current top 6 for him. If we could get him for Demers and a 2nd or something i’d do it though.

by Khaaz on Jan 26, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Demers and a 2nd for a couple months of an inconsistent pouty Semin? No thanks!!

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh wait, he's UFA this year?

Oh, forget that then, I wouldn’t part with Demers.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Semin isn’t a guy that you want to build your team around or anything, but he’s definitely got skills and he could certainly be a difference maker come playoff time. Maybe a change of scenery is just what he needs to get him going again.

Demers has been kind of disappointing this year and if trading him gives us a much better chance at a cup, then i’m more than willing to do that.

by Khaaz on Jan 26, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Semin isn’t a guy I’d want a team period…28pts in 44 games at $6.7mil – and I just don’t buy into that whole “change of scenery” thing w/ deadline pick ups.

I’d rather hang onto the kind of disappointing 23 year old d-man signed through next year who has quite a bit of upside.

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Who cares about his cap hit, his contract is up this year and we should have accrued enough cap space for Semin without making many (if any) moves. We can use him for the cup run and then be done with him if we want.

Semin is a super talented top line forward. He’d definitely be a nice addition heading into the playoffs.

by Khaaz on Jan 26, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

He used to be a super talented top line forward, last 2 years he’s been a mediocre 2nd line forward so I completely disagree – he’s the last thing the Sharks should want. We can just agree to disagree here.

by milanahalek on Jan 26, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Demers has been kind of disappointing this year

I have been very disappointed with Demers this year as well but his PDO I believe is the worst on the team. With some better luck he should improve in the second half.

by Briceratops on Jan 26, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, if it really is about dumping salary...

Demers and a low pick could work. Trading any of our Top 6 accomplishes nothing, since it’s merely swapping players with similar salaries. I’d be more inclined to think unwanted salary from San Jose (See: Niittymaki) goes to Washington… Or something like Demers and picks/prospects for Semin and picks/prospects. Looks like DW is actively on the hunt for young forwards after acquiring Kennedy.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 26, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Doug will have to trade Demers or Braun

To land us a impact player. Doug has no trading chips and all he has is draft picks.

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by ChangoT on Jan 26, 2012 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

Depends how impactful you're talking

Some pretty solid players (probably UFAs, though) can be had for 2nd round picks, though Wilson seems to overpay at times—like Wallin for a 2nd? Not so sure that was great value. Ian White for a 2nd was certainly better value, though, and Ben Eager for a 5th seemed appropriate.

Plus there’s some pretty appealing defensive prospects down in Worcester—I’m sure some teams would certainly be interested in guys like Petrecki and Doherty.

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by Timorous Me on Jan 26, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

We should keep Doherty.

It would be so awesome to have a 6’7 badass on our team in a few years.

by Briceratops on Jan 26, 2012 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Mini Chara.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 27, 2012 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Bigger Pronger

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by Bockerz on Jan 28, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Pronger’s good though. Except for that dirty shit he does (as opposed to… clean shit?)

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by Bockerz on Jan 28, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Ottawa Sun reporting Leafs are targetting Clowe.

Does he have a NTC?

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 27, 2012 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

ESPN reporting:
Leafs eyeing big deal? Significant move could be on the way — very shortly.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 27, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Clowe

No, he doesn’t have a NTC…Bruce Garrioch is not a good source for rumors, he seems to like to think of players Canadian teams would want (and who wouldn’t want Clowe?) and then make up a rumor to go w/ it, and I just can’t think of a trade between the Leafs & Sharks that would make it worth it to move Clowe.

by milanahalek on Jan 27, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Well it'd have to be a top 6 winger, I'd think.

Sharks aren’t exactly rebuilding. And I’m guessing the odds of us getting Lupul or Kessel are, uh… Slim.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 27, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

MAYBE Grabovski/Connoly/Bozak and a first.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 27, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

The Salary Cap & the Sharks contract limit both say no…there really isn’t a package that Toronto would give that would make it worth it, Clowe brings so much to this team.

by milanahalek on Jan 27, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Right-o.

So we should expect more Sullivan-Kennedy trades?

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 27, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

No

But there can’t be any 3 for 1 player deals..the Sharks have 49 contracts right now, the limit is 50. There’s definitely ways to open up contract spots if they need to but that’s where it stands right now.

by milanahalek on Jan 27, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Connoly? CONNOLY?

If the Sharks had Connoly and the Leafs had Clowe, then yes… that’s a possibility.

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by Bockerz on Jan 28, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

And here's the Sharks response to this 'rumor'

@PollakOnSharks 10:17am via Web #Sjshark source advises “zero chance” Ryane Clowe is available before trade deadline no matter what appeared in today’s Ottawa Sun.

by milanahalek on Jan 27, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, have they ever responded to rumors like that before?

by Khaaz on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, not that I’ve seen…Wilson, Pollak (and / or his sources) and everyone else associated with the Sharks usually give the canned answer of ’we’re always looking for ways to make our team better’ or ‘we don’t comment on other teams/players’- I’m pretty damn happy with that response though. I would hate to lose Clowe.

by milanahalek on Jan 27, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

What's your response to the "Clowe sucks this year" sentiment of inverse fans?

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 27, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah me too. I really don’t want to trade any of our top 6

I think we have kind of a perfect team right now really. I just think that they’ve been floating through the regular season, which is fine really. As long as we make the playoffs and everyone is healthy n ready to go, i’ll be happy; and i think the team might have the same mentality.

by Khaaz on Jan 27, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm of a similar mindset

The makeup of the team is really good, except for an additional speedy winger – a Mitchell replacement with stronger puck handling.

The biggest missing component is intensity – the team seems like it’s just going through the paces for the regular season. After all, it’s only about the playoffs, right? Regular season doesn’t matter, right? I wouldn’t be surprised if the team had the same thoughts creep in at some point.

It was that way last season until they realized they might not even make it to the playoffs.

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by The McMafia on Jan 29, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah i totally agree. I think/hope we’ll start seeing the team ramp up it’s intensity now that we’re getting closer to the playoffs.

by Khaaz on Jan 29, 2012 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

landeskog and statsny for mitchell and demers, hopefully they take jon mcarthy. boom. me like. draft pick would probably be included

by Nicholas Lab on Jan 29, 2012 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

This trade is literally impossible, but I would be overjoyed if it happened.

Shrug off an impending UFA and inconsistent defenceman for two developing stars? Hell yeah!

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 29, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Two interesting rumours I read on TSN today:

One has that old “Brad Stuart back to San Jose” rumour. I don’t see it happening, unless we trade Demers or something to some other team.

Another, more interesting rumour has Corey Perry heading to Vancouver. A perfect match, those two. Really.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 29, 2012 12:21 PM PST reply actions  

Brad Stuart

We really don’t need another defenseman, we need another forward, possibly one who can play in the top 6. And the Red Wings need 1) a defenseman who can take over for Lidstrom & 2) another forward who can play top 6 minutes, like we do. Whoever wrote that article is smoking something funny.

Corey Perry headed to Vancouver could make the sheer douche-osity of that team reach critical mass and explode.

by bezzerkker on Jan 29, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Stuart

The Stuart rumors are all about the off season, not this year.

by milanahalek on Jan 29, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless Stuart absolutely loved it in San Jose, I have no idea why he'd come back even next summer.

3 of the top UFA defensemen names next July are Detroit’s. Kronwall’s been re-signed, Lidstrom’s year to year and then Stuart. Lidstrom retires and their depth is Kronwall/White/Ericcsson/Kindl/Brendan Smith/?

I just assume they’re going to throw Lidstrom’s cash at Suter or whoever they can find and won’t want more holes on top of that.

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by Kazoonole on Jan 29, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Stuart’s wife and kids still live in San Jose year round and he said it’s been really, really hard on him being away for as long as he has and that he’d like to play closer to home. Everyone took that as Stuart will be signing w/ the Sharks…Detroit will continue to try to re-sign him I’m sure.

by milanahalek on Jan 29, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't we have a full blueline though?

Or do you think Demers or Braun will be moved? Plus, Petrecki will be ready next season…

by Briceratops on Jan 29, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Hard to say.

White and Vandermeer are probably gone this season, if not at the deadline. Petrecki isn’t going to be ready for the big show immediately. Braun earned a job, and Demers could be traded at the draft… DW loves those moves. Or Demers could stay. Lines might look like…

Boyle – Stuart
Vlasic – Burns
Murray – Braun/Demers.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 29, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Just repeating what I’ve read, I don’t know if Wilson would even be interested in bringing Stuart back.

Petrecki should be ready to earn a spot next year & the Sharks have Demers, Boyle, Murray, Vlasic, Burns all under contract for next year – I’m guessing Braun will sign a deal long before July as well.

And I really hope neither Demers or Braun are moved, two young d-men w/ upside – I think it would be a mistake to trade either.

by milanahalek on Jan 29, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

why havent we talked about desi or ferriero?

id put desjardin, ferriero, mitchell, and nitty as our packagable players. they dont make a deal but they sure do sweeten one. id trade murray for stuart without thinking about it and id consider a clowe package for nash scenario. as far as im concerned white vandermeer are worthless. trading demers and or bruan is too risky. their young and solid dmen.

just seems we have a lot of moveable 3rd liners.

by Madhatter on Jan 30, 2012 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

Desi

I wouldn’t want to touch our 4th line since they’ve been playing well, and Desi is a big part of that.

I agree with your assessment on Mitchey, Ferriero and Niitty as our candidates for most likely to be wearing something other than teal by the time February is over. Heck, I wouldn’t be too surprised if they were packaged together to get us a winger to swing between the 2nd and 3rd lines along with a prospect or draft pick. I’m a bit sad to see these guys go. Mitchey has played better since he was benched, and he is the bringer of free tacos. Ferriero has scored some big goals, and I wish he didn’t have to be waived. Then again, even with more development, who would he be replacing? Pavs isn’t going anywhere, and we have Marty Havlat for years. Niitty was big for us in the play-offs, and I think we should’ve used him more, definitely in relief of Nemo during that horrible game against the ’Nucks. You know the one.

Hm…. thinking about Havlat coming back, what are people’s thoughts on this kind of forward line up?

Marleau – Thornton – Pavelski
Clowe – Couture – Ferriero
McGinn – Handzus – Havlat
Winchester – Desi – A.Murray

It gives us 3 lines capable of scoring, though our 2nd line is lacking a fast skater. The lines probably won’t look like this, since Doug Wilson, His Tannedness Himself, has said that this team won’t be finished until the trade-deadline, and forward is where we need more depth, but this gives us a line-up that won’t cost us anything, and we can even get a draft pick for Mitchey.

by bezzerkker on Jan 30, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I did really like the way Handzus and Havlat's were playing together before Marty got hurt.

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by jwizzle241 on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Desi is too good to move

great on the fourth line, and still has a bit of upside. Never gonna be an offensive beast, but he could really evolve into an excellent shutdown center.

Why would Detroit move Stuart, surely they feel they would need him for their inevitable playoff run.

As long as we are in deamland, I would love to have Nash, but the Salary Cap makes that pretty much impossible unless we are moving one of our top players – in which case are we really gaining more than we are losing, especially considering team chemistry going in to the second half of the season. Plus… Clowe isn’t going anywhere.

Mitchell and Nitty have little value to teams that are looking to move roster players, as they are both UFAs after the season. Nitty probably gets traded to a team for a bag of pucks, simply to give him an opportunity to play, and free up cap room. While Mitchell is what he is, he probably has more value on this team than others. He also seems to me to be the type of player that just comes out of nowhere chip in a timely goal somewhere in the playoffs.

The trading chips that are probably in play IMHO are: Ferriero, Wingles, Griess, Demers, and Braun. Maybe McGinn as well, but I hope the team doesn’t move him as he has really started to play to his potential this season.

If I’m DW the deal I’m trying to make is:
Ferriero and our 2nd round pick to CAR for Ruutu.

It seems to be a fair price for a rental, and Ruutu is a very solid top 9 forward giving us the depth. Plus Carolina seems to really like our 2nd round draft picks.

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by jMoneyBrah on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

With a healthy Havlat we have some nice forward depth

Patty – Jumbo – Pavs
Clowe – Couture – Ruutu / Havlat
McGinn – Handzus – Havlat / Ruttu
Winchester – Desi – Mitchell / A. Murray

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by jMoneyBrah on Jan 30, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Since Niitty won’t be playing another game in Teal, Greiss isn’t a trade chip, he won’t be moved.

The price for Ruutu is going to be very high, there are a lot of teams looking for a top 6 forward and Ruutu might be one of the top (UFA) one’s around. Last I saw, Carolina was looking for a young roster player (think Braun not Ferriero) and a 1st round pick – I don’t think it’s worth giving up that type of package for a rental.

If someone wanted Niitty, they would’ve picked him up for free – I believe the Sharks are probably trying to loan him to Europe. Might even have to put him on re-entry to get someone to take him.

by milanahalek on Jan 31, 2012 7:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt Carolina is looking for that much for a couple months of Ruutu. If they are then i seriously doubt anyone will bite, and they’ll have to drop their asking price by a lot.

I think Ruutu and Shane Doan are the only guys i’d really like to trade for. Anyone less skilled than those guys isn’t worth trading for imo, and anyone more skilled/valuable is going to have too high a price for us.

by Khaaz on Jan 31, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve read in multiple places that’s what Rutherford is asking for…someone will overpay for Ruutu, I don’t really have any doubt about that.

by milanahalek on Jan 31, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Ummm…….you do realize Braun and Ferriero are the same age right?

by VVhirlwind on Feb 1, 2012 3:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep, but Braun’s upside (and value) are way higher than Ferriero’s. I’d be perfectly fine moving Ferriero in a deal – not at all OK moving Braun.

by milanahalek on Feb 1, 2012 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe absurd, but do you think there's any way we could get a first for any of our expendable pieces?

I keep hearing how great this draft year is, and I’d hate to see DW miss out.

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by Evil Stanchion on Feb 1, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Before the trade deadline

Not a chance. He may get a 1st if he moves one of the top 6 forwards or top 4 D in the offseason, but I don’t really see that happening either.

Hopefully Wilson doesn’t trade his 1st and I’d prefer he hang onto Minn. 2nd, but I’d bet that pick is used in a trade.

by milanahalek on Feb 1, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, we DO have a first?! I thought we traded it to Minnesota.

Where can I go to see what draft picks we have?

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by Evil Stanchion on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Thank you for that link

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by Soloact on Feb 1, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

clowe deal got denied

Doug Wilson told the press clowe wont be aviliable and David pollock tweeted there’s zero chance clowe is traded at the deadline

by Levi Matthews on Jan 30, 2012 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

...

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 30, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

He already did.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 30, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

…. nice

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by jMoneyBrah on Jan 30, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a good couple of articles for those completely in the dark about players available at the deadline:

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=386423
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=386424

Also, what’s the different between a limited NTC and a modified NTC?

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 30, 2012 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

Not much of a difference between them if I remember right, they mean the player’s contract includes specific terms for the clauses, usually allowing the player to specify a no-trade list of undesireable teams or a trade list of desireable teams.

by milanahalek on Jan 30, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Who would you rather see in teal?

Ruutu, Morrow, or Brassard? Those three names have popped up a lot and there has been a little speculation about SJ and Ruutu. Who would you rather see go to the Sharks?

Before the internet blows up and tries to show how smart it is, this is just me entertaining the POSSIBILITY of it. I’m not saying either three will be Sharks. Just trying to start some dialogue because all my friend’s are Leafs fans and only want to talk about Clowe.

I think Morrow would be awesome in SJ. Won’t put up crazy numbers but would give the Sharks a little bit more snarl and leadership.

by nickrockwell on Jan 31, 2012 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

Ruutu

Ruutu would be my first choice, can play any forward position, can skate, hit and put the puck in the net.

Morrow would be good but considering he’s signed through next season and is their captain, I’m pretty sure the cost would be something that I wouldn’t want the Sharks to part with.

I’m guessing the Sharks won’t end up with any of the bigger names, the asking prices are going to be pretty rediculous considering how many teams want to add a top 6 forward.

by milanahalek on Jan 31, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah i feel the exact same way. Morrow is going to cost too much for us and it won’t be worth it imo. Ruutu is a rental so his asking price shouldn’t be that high, and i think he could really compliment our squad.

by Khaaz on Jan 31, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind any of those players.

Ruutu is obviously the best option, but I understand his asking price is a young top six forward and a first. That’s WAY too much for a rental.

Morrow is an interesting piece, but they’re probably asking for a top four d-man and/or a goalie in return.

Brassard, on the other hand, is an intriguing option. Mitchell being traded seems somewhat likely, and I don’t know that he’ll be re-signed. Brassard is a solid alternative.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 31, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I like the Sharks' office staff a little more now.
TSN’s Gord Miller also reports that the San Jose Sharks have vehemently denied that Ryane Clowe could be in play. The team called trade rumours involving Clowe “idiotic.

Also of interest from the same article:

Chris Botta of the New York Times says the Rangers have too many forwards. He speculates that either Wojtek Wolski or Erik Christensen, the team’s 13th and 14th forwards, could be moved.

I WANT WOLSKI. Christensen wouldn’t be a bad pick-up either. But Wolski is a guy who, once upon a time, was a top-line winger. No reason to think he can’t at least play top-9.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 31, 2012 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

I think Wolski might be a little overrated, and he isn’t rated all that high either really lol. As far as i remember, he’s always played with very good linemates that have carried him a bit. I don’t think he’s the kind of player we want.

by Khaaz on Jan 31, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Well right now he's on the bubble in New York.

He can be had for CHEAP. Probably a mid-draft pick.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 31, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

He has the reputation, according to wikipedia, of a player who “would rather not play in tough areas to score”.

If he can be had for a 4th or less, I say he’d be a good aquisition being a relatively young NHL capable player, otherwise I don’t think he’s worth a 3rd or higher given how reportedly deep this year’s draft is going to be.

With the cap space increase through manipulation that is done after the deadline he can be fit in. The real question is in terms of actual money though, since he’d be getting a fat paycheck for a 3rd line role, and even if he’d be up for a new contract the following year (and as RFA wouldn’t be considered a rental really) would the management really look at it being a good investment.

by VVhirlwind on Feb 1, 2012 3:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Jason Blake?

he’s put up good numbers in years past, he’s having an off year down south but so is their whole team, and they need goal tending, package something up with nitty for some more forward depth.

by Fratrick Marbreau on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM PST reply actions  

Asking price will be too high.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 31, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

we have alot of cap space to work with this deadline I can see DW working some kind of deal with nitty maybe Mitchel/ a prospect. He’s only a 400K cap hit still leaves us with alot of money to spend. Opinions on Dominic Moore?

by Fratrick Marbreau on Jan 31, 2012 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

He is a good player...

But seems to be a 3rd/4th line center. We probably are set in that area, IMO what the team really needs is a winger that can score 20-30 goals.

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by jMoneyBrah on Jan 31, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

No reason to think he's available

But what do you guys think of Matt Moulson? He seems to be really maxing out after two years of solid production. He’s got a nice cap hit for the next 2 seasons. Is there any way he gets pried away from the Islanders?

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by jMoneyBrah on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

Ales Hemsky (repost from about a month ago when no one responded really)

I know people feel that he is injury prone; however, maybe this will make acquiring him cheaper. Also, I am aware there is maybe some hatred after the knee hit, but lets just get past that. He is coming off some injuries, but he is a legitimate top-six forward with great skill. He could be a great addition to the team whether he performs at a top-six level or not. It would provide more scoring pop for the third line. He is currently struggling point wise; however, he is shooting a meager .061 which is significantly worse than his career average (almost half of his career average). One would believe a change of scenery – perhaps a reduced roll or expectations – could be all he needs to thrive again. At only 28, he is far from over in the NHL. He could be a great addition to the PP unit which is lackluster 18% for 15th best in the league. In addition, past performance suggests this guy ACTUALLY shows up in the playoffs. Last time he was in the playoffs was in 2006 when the Oilers made a run to the finals. He had 17 pts in 24 games with 6 goals and 11 assits.

It seems evident that Edmonton will be a seller and that Hemsky is on his way out. Reporters for the Oilers feel its a WHEN and not an IF at this point. With potential trade targets including that of LA and Detroit, it is almost reason enough to snag him instead of a conference rival. It is all a matter of price. The Oilers want to add to defense, and I am not suggesting any means that Braun or Demers is dealt. But perhaps the combination of someone off Worcester packaged with a draft pick might be enough.

Also, has anyone noticed that they called up Sexsmith? Are we assessing if he or Griess is now a trade chip? Because stating the obvious, Nitty is not it.

by HighGloveNightmare on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 AM PST reply actions  

Niemi took a shot to the balls (i’m guessing, based on the loose grins surrounding the comment of “lower body”) in practice on Wed, and so sat out the Thursday game, but is reportedly going to be ready for Sat. So since Nitty was sent down because he already went through waivers (not to mention how dickish would it be to finally dress him has backup only because someone got injured and THEN send him down) Sexsmith got called up as a quasi reward for his quite good AHL performance.

Just being called up doesn’t mean he’ll play, but you gotta have a backup that can ready on the bench.

As for Hemsky, no thanks. He’s not just a little injury prone, he’s an injury magnet. In his 9 year career, only 2 of those have had him miss less than 10 games. On top of that, he’s played 107 games in the last 2 1/2 seasons…..if that stretch had come earlier and he rebounded back with 2 70+ game seasons I could overlook it. However 35+ games missed in each of the last 2 consecutive seasons + he’s already missed 13 games THIS season? No thank you, unless we can get him for ONLY a last round pick.

by VVhirlwind on Feb 3, 2012 5:54 AM PST up reply actions  

But...

He will go for next to nothing. All he has to do is stay healthy for the stretch and he already had is “injury magnet” at the beginning of the year if injuries can be a trend or predicted. He is still a skilled player who’s value is at an all-time low. If we can get him cheap, he is worth it.

As for the Sexsmith stuff, that makes sense then. I wasn’t aware of that. Just was reading league transactions and the call-up caught my eye.

by HighGloveNightmare on Feb 3, 2012 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

If injuries are a trend, then he’s due for his next one soon based off his 40 game last season. As I said, if he can be got for an 7th rnd pick or maybe even just a 6th then I’d be interested, but he isn’t worth one higher than that, and certainly not paired with a prospect we already have.

Skill wise he’d probably be worth a 5th and a weak prospect regardless of his year but the problem is his cap hit. He’s being paid 4mil this season. Remember, that Heatley had to be exchanged for Havlat in order to free up the cap space for next year’s pay bump to Couture and Burns, not to mention any bumps to the RFAs that do well (think Desi and McGinn) and have a little space for UFA resignings, either current (Mitchell/White/Vand) or new people to fill emptied slots.

There is no room for another 4+ mil player on the team without dumping a top 6 forward or top 4 d. This would make any move to get Hemsky a 100% move for a rental player.

Thus, a 6th or 7th is all i’d care to risk on a decent player’s chances of staying healthy through the playoffs since 99% he’d be gone next season. That 1% of retention would be us winning the cup with him and him taking a pay cut down to 1.5mil just to stay with the team, which wouldn’t likely happen.

by VVhirlwind on Feb 3, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

ESPN reporting that Pavelski would only be moved for a star player.

I don’t know if this is actually a rumour, or just bullshit, but what do you think… If we could include Pavelski in a package for a Stamkos or something, would it be a wise move?

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by Evil Stanchion on Feb 5, 2012 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

There’s not a single player (or a combo of players) on the San Jose Sharks worth nearly enough for the Lightning to actually trade Stamkos. To be honest, there are very few players in the entire league that Stamkos should get traded for. He is the best goal scorer in the entire league; why would they trade him? Especially considering that he’s only 22…

If Captain America was going to be traded for another “star player”, I’d assume it would have to be a veteran. I’d like to believe he’s regarded rather highly around the league, but I do wonder if there’s a deal out there that’s worth making. He is comparatively cheap for a player of his talents, and he’s one of the Sharks’ best performers in the playoffs.

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by Bockerz on Feb 5, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

Pavelski’s contract is really team friendly. We need players like him and Couture that can produce without costing a fortune.

by Briceratops on Feb 5, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree.

Must have been some fantasy for some weirdo.

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by Evil Stanchion on Feb 5, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on what the report says. Could just have been a report where someone was talking about the Sharks abilities to make deals and then mentioning that Pavelski would only be available for other star players, and not for something like a 2nd line and multiple high picks type of deal.

If it was a report where someone was talking about the Sharks shopping Pavelski, but only for other top stars then it was probably someone rosterbating for Stamkos/Ovi/Crosby/Malkin etc.

by VVhirlwind on Feb 7, 2012 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Antoine Vermette...

Would fit so nicely on the third line. Great speed, good size, playmaker, PKer, and a good center. He does have a steep price of 3.75, but I dont think the BJ’s want much for him. Demers and a 4th would be good….right?

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by BrandonMK50 on Feb 6, 2012 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

Prob would take more, he may be in a down slump but he’s been a 20 goal scorer for pretty much his whole career, with the exceptions only being the year he was traded (16 total) and this year (where he’s on pace for like 10 I think), but this year’s numbers do need to be taken with the perspective of the sheer pile of bad that Columbus is this year, pulling down everyone’s numbers on that team.

If he was in the last year of his contract then I could maybe see him being moved for that kind of deal at the deadline, but with him being a decently affordable 2nd line center that has 3 more years on his contract after this year, I can’t see them dealing him for so little even if they were going to be in “rebuilding mode” even if he was like 35 (which he isn’t, being 29 currently).

by VVhirlwind on Feb 7, 2012 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Probabaly mentioned already

The Hockey News said the Blues were shopping Stewart and wanted the Avs to swap him for Hejduk. I guess it didn’t take, but it sounds like they aren’t asking for much. He seemed to respond well to new scenery last year and I remember him being a lot better skater than I thought he’d be for such a big dude. I realize that this is pure fantasy too. But weirder things have happened.

Man, the things I look up on the internet while feigning production at work is ridiculous.

by nickrockwell on Feb 8, 2012 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

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