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If Rick Nash is available, should San Jose come calling?

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Allow me to preface this article with a few statements.

1. I do not think a deal between the Sharks and Columbus for Rick Nash has any real chance of happening.

2. Rick Nash is probably my favorite player in the NHL to watch, so I might be biased here.

Now all that is in the open, let's talk about Rick Nash and how well he fits on the San Jose Sharks.

First off, while I've heard plenty of arguments to the contrary, Rick Nash is one of the best player in the NHL and has been ever since his sophomore season in 2003-2004. That year, Nash scored an incredible 41 goals and since then has only scored less than 30 once, potting 27 in 2006-2007 after missing about 10 games with injury. Yes, his overall point numbers are low in comparison to his goals scored, as he only eclipsed the point-per-game benchmark one time in his nine year career. There's a reason for that, though...

He's played his entire career for Columbus.

Don't get me wrong, at times Columbus has been one of the hardest matchups for the Sharks; the Blue Jackets (especially under Ken Hitchcock) have always been a tough, grind it out team that plays a tight defensive style. But they've never been goal scorers as a bunch.

Want proof? How about this: Here's where they've stood league wide in goals scored since the lockout (Present to Past, in order):

26th, 24th, 21st, 21st, 29th, 28th & 28th.

That's not an environment in which a player like Rick Nash thrives in the assist department. Even this year, after the Jackets added Jeff Carter, the Jackets have had a miserable time putting the puck in the net. So when I hear people talk about the fact that Nash doesn't have the numbers to back up the praise he receives, I raise an eyebrow.

The problems in Columbus are many this season; suspensions, injuries, terrible goaltending and an over-matched defense have all been culprits in their terrible season and resulting situation - last in the NHL standings. From here, with only 10 wins to their credit, it sure looks like the Columbus Blue Jackets' season is over.

Because of this, trade rumors have already begun to swirl, and although no one thought that Rick Nash would be even discussed as an option to be moved, he came out and said that he would be willing to waive his NMC if it helped the Jackets. Now, Columbus GM Scott Howson has said he wants to retain Nash, but this type of talk at least warrants a look from the Sharks perspective.

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Would Nash help San Jose? That goes without question. Not only are the Sharks having trouble turning shots into goals lately, but they're having an increasingly hard time doing that on the power play. Nash is a bonafide goal scorer who has no trouble playing offense.

Where Nash would surprisingly help as well, though, would be on the penalty kill. Though he's only played 0:29 seconds of shorthanded time per game this season, he put up 2:16 per game in 2009-2010, 2:13 in 2008-2009 and 2:34 in 2007-2008. Shorthanded, he's a threat to score (he has 12 shorthanded goals in his career, including this beauty, and this one is four on four, but holy crap), and he could help spell some of the Sharks' big guns who also kill penalties.

I shouldn't have to justify the "why" much more though, he's undoubtedly one of the ten best forwards in the NHL on skill alone and should have NHL GM'sfoaming at the mouth thinking about the possibility adding him to their squad. The problem for the Sharks would be the "how".

Nash carries with him an enormous cap hit, $7.8MM through the 2017-2018 seasonto be exact, and therefore would require some significant salary going the other way. When discussing a trade the last few days with my Fear the Fin cohorts, we worked out a few deals that make sense, but they'd definitely painful.

I still do the deal if I'm Doug Wilson, even if it means that top prospects or key players (outside of Couture, Vlasic, Thornton, Marleau, Burns and Niemi) need to be included. It's a sell your first born type thing, but if Scott Howson wants to play the role of Rumpelstiltskin and accept that deal... I wouldn't have a hard time saying goodbye to that unborn baby. (I apologize for the fairy tale reference, but my wife has become hooked on ABC's Once Upon a Time and as a result of the marathon she forced me to watch last Sunday, I haven't gotten my metaphor groove back yet.)

The deal would make San Jose a bit top heavy in the salary department, but the fact that Nash is so talented, and is currently only 27, helps you stomach that a bit. You save some money as a result of the players you ship out, and also the fact that there are some expensive expiring UFA's on the roster (like Torrey Mitchell).

In a world without salary concerns, it's a no brainer. He's a leader, a dynamic talent and a classy guy. He's also good friends with Joe Thornton, from their time together in Switzerland during the lockout. With salary concerns, it's really tough to make it work. And based on the players San Jose is likely willing to offer, many other teams could make a better pitch.

It's definitely a pipe dream, but one that's fun to discuss. So the question is, what would you trade for Rick Nash?

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For my own sanity

you should add Pavelski to this list…

(outside of Couture, Vlasic, Thornton, Marleau, Burns and Niemi)

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by tealstherealdeal92 on Jan 6, 2012 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

As much is we'd all like 2...

Columbus is going to want a player of Joe’s caliber in return.

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by DrewRemendaRogaine on Jan 6, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Since we actually have to face guys in the locker room, I didn’t name names. But if it came down to it, the players I mentioned are the only ones I’d have a problem with them trading for Nash.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 6, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Nash would thrive like a beast in San Jose

And for the salary hit, a lot better than Dany Heatley. Even if he could fit, I like the guy. Matt nailed it on the head: explosive.

Yandle yandle yandle.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

Woah, huge news, folks.

The NHLPA has voted down realignment. So. It’s not going to happen.

Fuck the NHLPA.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 6, 2012 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with that.

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by jwizzle241 on Jan 6, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Propose me a better alternative, then.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 6, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Any one of the minimalist alternatives

I don’t really see the upside in the home and home against the east every year. Keep the 6 division structure.

Or alternately I personally would be totally happy with the new plan but reseeding after one round so the first two rounds of the playoffs weren’t the same damn matchups every year (and bonus: any two teams could meet in the SCF). But I get that there are problems that other people have with that. So whatev. Keeping the status quo is just fine.

by warning on Jan 6, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I really only liked the home and home.

The rest I didn’t really care about.

Although I’m wasn’t absolutely crazy about divisional playoffs.

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by jwizzle241 on Jan 6, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Better....

Columbus to the Southeast. Jets to Central. Done.

by bison on Jan 6, 2012 4:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Replace Columbus with Nashville, IMHO.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 6, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually:

Nashville → Southeast
Dallas → Central
Colorado → Pacific
Winnipeg → Northwest.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 6, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Trying to move...

An EST team not named Detroit.

by bison on Jan 6, 2012 4:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Nashville is EST, isn't it?

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 6, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope...

Tennessee is split.

by bison on Jan 6, 2012 5:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

NHL has promised DET they'd move first chance they get.

not a chance columbus goes before them. i think detroit and winnipeg potentially swap, but then theyd be in the northeast so..

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 6, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

southeast*

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 6, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Swap Winnipeg with one of Nashville, Detroit, or Columbus.

Conferences, playoff format remain the same and they actually make some sense geographically, especially if Nashville moves to the Southeast.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jan 7, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Old post, but meh. I liked the conference structure of the proposed thing, but the playoff structure was dumb and the players were right to shoot it down when some conferences had easier chances of playoffs than others.

Change the 4 conferences to Divisions, retain East West conference. Top placement in each division guarenteed playoff spot, then the rest of the spots are determined by points in the conference, like how is done now. Play the first 2 rounds in the conference, then the last 2 rounds by league, reseeding after the first 2 conference games by using regular season points again.

Win win. You get solid regular season scheduling with 2 games per team minimum, inter division rivalries with the larger divisions, then playoffs against those rivals and a larger base for the first 2 rounds, but then expanded to the rest of the league for the last couple rounds, keeping it from being an east v west league for the final matchup.

by VVhirlwind on Feb 1, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Huge Nash fan.

If we are goin by NHL 12 logic, we are lookin at:
-Clowe
-Mitchell
-Mid grade prospect
- and a 1st round pick.

I’ll keep dreaming…

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by DrewRemendaRogaine on Jan 6, 2012 4:32 PM PST reply actions  

Straight trade

for Nash, either Marleau or Joe. But CBL would never take it. I wouldn’t give up a 1st round pick with how S.J’s prospect pool is right now and 7.8 is too much if you ask me. With the salary cap I’d be happy if the Sharks never signed a player over 7 mil. But I would go for Clowe, Mitchell and a mid grade prospect (Petrecki?), no 1st rounder though.

Regardless of Nash, Wilson needs to trade Mitchell and Nitty. We need a 3rd liner who can create and score. Problem is I think the team also needs someone who can spark more scoring out of the top 2 lines besides Havlat and Ferriero. One is easy but both….. I hoping for some DW magic.

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by raphelo on Jan 6, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade White, Mitchell and Nitty for Nash.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 6, 2012 4:37 PM PST reply actions  

we will need carter to make it fair. and they gotta take havlat and give us a quality player. like ryan johansen

:P

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 6, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny...

The first two you mention, Couture and Vlasic, are the first two they’d insist on. Plus a young (not Nitty) goalie, plus you’d have to take on 1-2 of their “mistake” contracts-see SBN blog The Cannon for the list, it’s lengthy.

Fun to think about, not very likely.

by bison on Jan 6, 2012 4:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I realize that, which is why I said that other teams would be able to build a better package. The Sharks need those two to win more than they need Nash right now, IMO.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Jan 6, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Heemskerk, White and Mtichell.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 6, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

lol dream on. Why would they care about any of those guys?

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

ok no it’s not.

What about Havlat, Demers, Greiss?

I’d do that deal in a second and it actually seems very fair for Columbus imo. They get a top 6 foward, a top 4 defenseman, and a potential starting goaltender.

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

If anything that’s probably too much to give up, but it would improve our chance at a cup this year for sure imo. Thornton and Nash would be a silly good combo, holy crap. I’m drooling just thinking about it.

Havlat is easily replaced by Nash, Demers is perfectly replaced by Braun who is in turn replaced by either White or Vandermeer. Greiss is obviously replaced by Niitty as our backup.

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I want Havlat

traded next season for the cap space. We’ll see in the playoffs, but I think DW can find someone just as affective for half the price.

Boyle
Havlat

For Nash *But not until July

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by raphelo on Jan 6, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

I want to stop talking about getting Nash because it means guys like Boyle or Clowe leave!

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 6, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

expendable

’specially for Nash.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 6, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand the Havlat hate.

He leads the team in +-ON/60 and GAON/60. I know it’s a relatively small sample size and his injury sucked but when he was playing we were not getting scored on with him on the ice 5 on 5.

by Briceratops on Jan 6, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm on board the trading him train

Just because of how often he’s injured, regardless of any other point.

by warning on Jan 6, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not hating. I think Havlat will really deliver in the playoffs; but if we can trade him for Nash I’ll do it in a heartbeat.

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I just don't think

he’s worth 5 mil. And next year from capgeek the Sharks are gonna be right up against the cap with this same team and that’s without Mitchell.

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by raphelo on Jan 6, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

check that

without Nitty

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by raphelo on Jan 6, 2012 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

But stats are for losers.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 6, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t Havlat have the lowest scoring chance percentage through 35 games? Only guy below 50 I think.

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by red army line on Jan 7, 2012 5:51 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

As much as I love Greiss...

I’d do it in a heartbeat. Getting Havlat off the books, and turning him into Nash is a huge upgrade. Demers is replaced by Braun easily. Greiss is expendable with Stalock and Sexsmith in the system.

Not sure Columbus does it, though. Havlat is pretty much untradable.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 6, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Philadelphia received a young second-line forward, the third overall prospect in the game, and a high draft pick for Mike Richards. Rick Nash is better but more expensive than Richards so they would probably want a similar package in return.

by Briceratops on Jan 6, 2012 5:12 PM PST reply actions  

Simmonds was a 3rd line forward.

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

He was an energetic young 3rd liner for LA when they traded him. I’m not sure where he is now.

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that’s not relevant to the trade discussion. Mitchell could be playing on some other teams second line next year but he’s only a 3rd liner right now.

LA traded a young energetic 3rd liner, their top prospect, and a 2nd round pick for Mike Richards. So we’d probably have to beat that if we wanted Rick Nash.

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Nash

I said yesterday I don’t see him as a even a top 10 forward in the NHL…with that said, I can’t see any trade package that the Sharks could put together that wouldn’t make them about the same if not worse now and into the future.

The last thing this team needs is another high priced forward.

by milanahalek on Jan 6, 2012 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

You know what

We should make a pitch for Johansen ;)

haha seriously though id rather have johansen than carter or nash, because johansen has an enormous amount of potential.

but rick nash? awesome.
how about…
Clowe
and
Havlat

for

Nash

worth a shot :P

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 6, 2012 5:49 PM PST reply actions  

well at the very least

that’d get him to stop high sticking Dan Boyle in the face. But still, if it was feasible, I think most people would take the known quantity over the potential, considering the level of player that Nash is.

Doubt Clowe and Havlat would be enough to pry Nash away. Too many other teams would be able to beat that package in an instant.

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by DownRUpLYB on Jan 6, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Crazy..

I’ll give people the benefit of the doubt that they’re just trying to be funny, but if you want to know what the asking price would be on Nash… Look at what the price was for Burns… and then remember that was for 1-year of Burns, not one of the top-10 players at his position locked in for 6-7 more years.

I honestly think you’d be looking at a starting point of:
Pavelski or Couture… maybe Havlat
Braun or Demers
JP Anderson/Harri Sateri/Alex Stalock (and that’s a place where the Sharks could deal from strength)…
first rounder(s)

And like the post above me, I’d love if they threw in Johansen… he’s gonna be real real good. I was shocked when I saw him skating on the wing with Carter/Nash in pregame, but that changed shortly after his penalties.

by mage23 on Jan 6, 2012 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

Johansen AND Nash?? We'll need to throw in a first, second, and THIRD

AND Havlat, Demers, Stalock, and next years first as well. Johansen is supposed to be another Eric Staal. Two firsts, Havlat, Demers, and Stalock. Hell, they may even want CLOWE for a 2nd, and that’s extremely high. but imo its kinda worth it. you wont get players like these very often and if it pans out, we have to give up 2 bottom 10 firsts.

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 6, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay guys, serious proposal here. Long shot, but hey, SJ probably will never get Nash, so I may as well dream

TO CLB:
Clowe
Havlat
Demers
Stalock
a 1st in 2012
a 1st in 2013

TO SJ:
Ryan Johansen
Rick Nash
a 2nd rounder.

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 6, 2012 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

That is very likely the asking price for someone like this

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 6, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously,

In one breath Stalock is God and the next let’s trade him. Stalock and Clowe—refuse to contemplate. Besides—why would they want Stalock without knowing he’ll ever really play again?

Everyone’s eatin’ crazy cake around here…..

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"Hit more people."

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by MiniMiteMom on Jan 6, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

the asking price is comparable.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 6, 2012 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

First off, we don’t need Johansen. The goal should only be to improve our chances at a cup this year.

I also don’t see why columbus would want to give up Johansen unless we overpaid and there’s no reason for us to do that at this point.

I think Havlat + Demers or Braun + Greiss or Stalock or Niittymaki, is a fair deal Nash. Most likely Havlat, Demers, Greiss for Rick Nash.

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

For Nash, we will need to part with Havlat+Demers+Stalock and a first and second. Maybe even another first. These type of players are not a dime a dozen. If Brent Burns fetches the price of 3 firsts (Seto, Coyle, Wheeler), what on earth will Rick Nash fetch? Hence this. Believe me, anyone who can play at a PPG game pace in CLB is a magician. And Johansen CAN produce this year. I think he’d easily put up 20-30 points on the Sharks this year if it works out. In the second half of the season.

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 6, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Burns and Nash aren’t really comparable. Nash has a huge long term contract that lowers his value a bit. Also Wingers are generally less valuable then #1 defensemen.

I think Havlat, Demers, Greiss, (who’s worth more than Stalock since he’s a proven NHL goaltender with starter potential) and a pick is a good deal for both sides.

A top 6 forward, a top 4 offensive defenseman, a young talented goaltender with starter potential, and a high pick would be a pretty good trade offer for Rick Nash I think.

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Wooooooooooooooooah, overpayment on our part.

Nash is not Jesus. Stalock may very well be. But anyway. I’d say Havlat and Nash are comparable players: Nash is not putting up the same points he used to. I’m okay with sweetening the deal with a first and MAYBE one of our lesser goalie prospects, but Clowe and Demers are way too good to offer in that deal.

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 6, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

DID ANYONE READ IT XD

I suggested we get Johansen, Nash and a 2nd. Its WAYYY Too much for just Nash, but I think Johansen will be just as good or better than Nash. That’s why I had 2 firsts, Clowe, Havlat, and Demers and Stalock. Havlat is declining, Stalock…we have a stockpile of goalie prospects, but have a bare cupboard when we’re talking about forwards. Demers….he’s replaceable with Braun, though I dont want to trade him.

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 6, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

JoWHOsen?

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by Evil Stanchion on Jan 7, 2012 4:05 AM PST up reply actions  

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

/reads first point

Oh.

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by idunno723 on Jan 6, 2012 7:19 PM PST reply actions  

My guess?

Still short.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 6, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Getting rid of mitchell and nitty would look like this

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.680m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.540m) / Brad Winchester ($0.725m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.575m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Andrew Murray ($0.575m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Colin White ($1.000m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.587m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,459,167; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $840,833

by InsertCoolNameHere on Jan 6, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That looks like next year’s salaries since Brent Burns’ cap hit is 5.76 mill there when he really only costs us like 3.5 mill in cap space this year.

But nice, if we can fit him in with Burns and Logan’s increased cap hits next year we could easily fit him (or another high salary player) in this year.

by Khaaz on Jan 6, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you giving up

Clowe also? No extra defensemen or fwds. With more then a few players that are gonna have to resign next year. Players like McGinn, Braun and Ferriero will probably make more. I don’t see it working without giving up another player that has Pav’s or more kind of salary. Too much to give up for half a season. I like how the team if completely full right now and still has space to make decent moves. Nash is just too expensive for us after this year without giving up like 2 of our top players on top of losing Mitchell and Nitty.

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by raphelo on Jan 7, 2012 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

How about Teemu Selanne?

I don’t think we’d be able to work anything out for Nash. Columbus would probably want Couture as part of any deal for him.

A player I think we can realistically get by the trade deadline would be Teemu Selanne. Looks like Anaheim is willing to trade anyone now with the rumors about Getzlaf’s availability. Selanne would be the cheapest one as he is likely to retire after the season.

He is still a point per game player at 40 years old and he can put the puck in the net having 27, 27, and 31 goals the last 3 years. He can slide into the top 6 and allow us to move Havlat to the 3rd line giving us a shutdown 3rd line with some scoring pop.

by timbaland on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 PM PST reply actions  

I believe the report from Anaheim is that everyone is up for grabs except Selanne and Koivu.

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by jwizzle241 on Jan 7, 2012 3:15 AM PST up reply actions  

He's untouchable.

Along with Saku Koivu. In terms of trades, I think Brian Murray fears the Finn(s).

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jan 7, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Cant Trade Clowe

If Sharks trade Clowe, then who will stick up for the Sharks when the game gets chippy?

Another Problem the Sharks have is how will Havlat look once he is healthy.

I would like the Sharks to go after Jeff Carter, or “hate to say it” Correy Perry. The Sharks need a top 6 Right Handed shot. Pavelski just hasn’t produced like id thought in place of Seto.

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by ChangoT on Jan 7, 2012 1:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

What did you think Pavelski would do?

Pavs is currently on pace for 35 goals, and 65 points total, if he plays all 82 games. That puts him at just one point under Seto’s best year, and with more 4 goals.

The lack of a goal-scoring right-winger on the second line is what I see as problem. It definitely helps that Cooch is on pace for the same kind of year as Pavs (Before the game against Columbus, their goals, assists, points, shots on goal, shooting percentages, and penalty minutes were all identical. It was kind of neat.), so our 2nd line isn’t exactly starved for goals, but when the usual 2nd line wingers (Clowe, Havlat, Ferriero) have combined for a total of 14 goals, there is a bit of a problem. The current first line has 38 goals, and is on pace for 84, and the second line has 30, and is on pace for 66. Now, this is offset since Marleau plays center on the 2nd whenever TMac feels like it, but Patty is up on the first line as of the last few games. Last year, our 1st and 2nd lines (1st: Seto, Jumbo, Patty; 2nd: Clowe, Cooch, Heatley; the lines were juggled, but if I remember correctly, this lineup was the typical lineup) scored roughly the same amount of goals, with 80 and 82 respectively.

I agree that we need a winger, maybe a right, but I wouldn’t put Pavs as the reason why. The combination of Clowe and Marty struggling, with no early season help from Wingels, and limited play from Ferriero has harmed our offensive production. Ferriero is actually on pace for a respectable 20 goals if he keeps going at his current clip and plays the rest of the season in San Jose, but the small sample size of 11 games makes this unrealistic.

tl;dr version: Leave Pavelski alone! 2nd line wingers is teh sux! Bring back Seto/Heatley/???!

by bezzerkker on Jan 7, 2012 5:11 AM PST up reply actions  

i agree, but

I feel Pavelski would be a better option at center. He has played well this year, but I just don’t see him as a sniper. The sharks need a right handed shot with some speed and size to play on either line 1 or line 2. Plus I believe this right handed shot would help our PP also. Pavelski would then center the 3rd line and make the Sharks a deep 3 line threat.

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by ChangoT on Jan 7, 2012 9:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

awww if only pav could center the 3rd line again

I have to finally agree that there’s no problem with him on the first line. Plus I’ve been told countless times that handzus won’t ever be moved down to the 4th line. Even though they moved him down last game! (sarcasm). If it was to happen though I think we’d need a few right wingers. I’m hoping mitchell gets traded for a playmaker or for someone who can score if havlat’s gonna end up on the 3rd. Then if dw can get another rw who can score, t mac just might try to move pav down with mcginn. Only thing is I don’t see dw moving for a top 6 anything. So maybe we’ll just end up with a bad ass new third line revolved around handzus. Either way, more options the better.

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by raphelo on Jan 7, 2012 2:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Nash

I dont think nash would want to leave columbus. He is too big of a star here. The hockey market would nosedive without him here. Take away a star player on a bad team like that and the jackets would only sink further in an already shakey market. Although I do find it interesting to see what would happen to SJ with Nash on board. Maybe send Nitty and a dman to Columbus for him?? Possibly a draft pick as well? The jackets def need better goaltending and a stronger blue line presence but I dont think they would go for it to lose Nash in the process. He offense and leadership means too much to this team. Take away the anchor from a ship in storm and it would surely sink…

by ididurmom on Jan 7, 2012 7:25 AM PST reply actions  

Nitty and Demers would get you a 2nd and Derek Dorsett or something (okay, maybe a little more). I'm not kidding.

Demers is good, but he’s no top 2 dman. Nitty is a streaky, oft-injured Goalie. They’d want a first, Demers, Clowe, and possibly more for Nash.

Here’s my proposal for Nash, if I was GM. Of course, its kinda stupid, but here goes
To SJ:
Rick Nash
2nd

To CLB:
Havlat
Demers
Stalock
1st
3rd

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by sanjosesharksfan on Jan 7, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

On the other hand

Rick Nash hasn’t been able to really right the ship throughout his entire career – Columbus has too many holes which Carter and Wiz seemingly haven’t been enough to plug, which is what makes this hypothetical deal help the CBJ end. Arguably, winning > star power, and the return that Nash would get would seemingly put CBJ in a better position to do so.

That or continue tanking and stock up on young stars like EDM has been doing recently. But that would still take years to reap the benefits.

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by DownRUpLYB on Jan 7, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

While getting a bunch of solid to good players in those holes for Nash would make Columbus a lot better, I get the feeling like ididurmom said that they’d want someone to build around and make the face of the franchise. I think there’s almost no chance of Nash being traded unless they get a star player in return.

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by Kuzcotopia on Jan 7, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

What I can't believe

is how quickly Stalock’s name was brought into this as trade-bait.

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