February OT/Trade thread

As a grade a stoner, I couldn’t eat that. Lol.

Is he still one of the ten best players in hockey? Probably not. But he’s still very good. He takes most of his offensive draws outside of the offensive zone, wins most of his faceoffs, directs the flow of play towards the opposing goalie, all while facing the toughest competition the opposition has to offer. That’s why he had that fat green bubble in the upper right hand portion of that bubble chart SnarkSD created. If Joe was able to start in the offensive zone 55-60% of the time like he used to, there is no doubt in my mind that his point production would increase. I kind of wish we had more competent bottom six forwards that could handle defensize zone draws against our opponents top-six so that Thornton could get more time starting next to the opposing goalies but that’s just me.

That wasn’t really a rumor, just the Wash. beat writer speculating that the sharks could benefit from Thornton playing w/ hix ex- winger again.

Knuble has had a really rough season, including being a healthy scratch the last couple of games – but, before this season, he had scored 20+ goals in 8 straight seasons. He’s actually the kind of player I could see Wilson being interested in.

I think I’d prefer Ray Whitney. He’s been a consistent producer for a long time and on different teams and situations, so I think he’d find a way to mesh here and boost the scoring. Plus the whole original team thing is cool too.

I like Teemu, but I think he stays a Duck or if anything, goes to Detroit – it’s just hard to imagine a high-level trade involving the Sharks and Ducks.

Knuble is interesting because he has been pretty decent on special teams in the past, but he’s not good enough to really play on Joe’s line anymore. He’d be an experiment as a bottom 6 forward on this team at best – considering his season thus far, I don’t know if DW pulls the trigger for someone with that much of a dropoff. I’m guessing the reunion Bill Guerin with Thornton is still fresh in his memory too.

They need to make the matching pants to go along with that sick Voltron jersey.

My response is nothing – the pieces the Sharks would have to move along w/ the cap implications make the trade not worth it.

though looking at things on capgeek even there it is still a stretch to fit Nash’s salary in and field a full roster.

I made it work with small raises for Braun, McGinn, Desi and a smaller salary for Mitchell. Bring Back Vandy and use Mike Moore as 7th Dman

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.800m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / James Sheppard ($0.725m)
Brad Winchester ($0.725m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.750m) / Torrey Mitchell ($0.800m)
Tommy Wingels ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Jim Vandermeer ($1.000m) / Justin Braun ($0.750m)
Mike Moore ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.587m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,926,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $373,333

he’s better than his numbers indicate.

That almost certainly has to be true because he’s a minus OMG!

I know people don’t like +/- and it’s not as good a stat as many of the advanced ones, but you don’t get to minus dear God in heaven without there being something deeply wrong.

Would you rather have DW:
1) acquire Nash for a realistic package that would significantly alter the makeup of the roster?

To start the conversation… Joe Pavelski, Jason Demers, and a pick.

It’s a start, but I don’t think it’s enough considering packages other teams would likely pony up (My guess: Pavs/Couture + Demers/Braun + a goalie prospect (they definitely need help here too) + 2nd round pick), or
2) go after rentals like Gaustad or Ruutu whose asking prices would be much lesser?

It’s a little surprising to hear the TSN pundits toss San Jose as one of the possible landing spots for Nash. But the price seems really steep for such a huge cap hit for so long. Even still, I might pull the trigger if Nash is willing to waive his NMC to come here…

Jumbo for Nash in a shocking trade.

I’d still make the trade for him. It’s not like you can’t trade someone who’s injured (Huskins, Shepard)

As mentioned above, any deal involvign Pavelski is an absolute NO from me and moving Havlat is just not going to happen. He has a NTC and there’s about zero chance that he’d waive it to go to Columbus and not much of a chance that a team he would be willing to go to would give up anything of value for him until he shows he can stay healthy and contribute.

Sami Pahlsson and Tom Kostopolous are soon to be Sharks?

I plan on throwing out every possible name in the coming weeks so nothing can be called a complete surprise.

And they’re all young, too.

It all makes sense!

But I wonder how Freddie will do on a different team than his brother.

The wait won’t be long as they’ll both be turning pro officially next season. I’ve been watching the two of them as much as I can and I’ve been very impressed by both, same goes for Abeltshauser who’s put up 38pts in 45 games in the QMJHL.

For Sgarbossa & Hamilton, if either of their teams are out of it before the WorSharks season is over, they’ll play a couple games in Worcester this year.

They are going to be very, very welcome in Worcester as they are both playmakers and goal scorers both which are completely lacking there right now.

Sgarbossa is turning out to be a complete steal for the Sharks.

Sgarbossa is the next Couture. Guy’s gonna set the world on fire.

I expect a couple more moves, but nothing big. And if it is big, it’s not going to be a rental. Should be interesting… the end of this season is going to be crazy.

So we need that. and if we give up any assets (ie Demers/Braun) then we need to acquire more depth to replace that.

I still expect Wilson to try to get a top 6 winger, whether he gets one or not…who knows.

I think Wingels has earned a roster spot and they’ll continue to play him until he ‘loses’ it, which means, for now, Mitchell is the most likely to come out of the lineup – they may rest Zus and Wincehster for a few games down the stretch as well.

White, Vandermeer (sorta), Braun & Demers will all fighting for bottom pairing minutes too.

There will be guys battling for ice time for the next 7 or weeks, hopefully a couple of them step up there play and make it hard on McLellan to make line up decision.

At least until his game drops off. Wingels has been great.

He’s still raw but if all he needs to be is an injury/depth guy and stay at home, he could be better than some 6 or 7 guy in the NHL with a veterans cap hit.

Flyers have to make another move before that one can go through. They are at 50 contracts…

a second along with Burns, the one they just traded away for Moore.

That’s not even enough for Nash…

Just for reference, here’s the package they asked for from Philadelphia: JVR, Couturier or Schenn, Bobrovski and a pick.

Philly said no thanks but that should give people a pretty good idea of what it’ll take to get him before the trade deadline. From the Sharks, Pavelski, Braun, Greiss + 1st probably gets it done.

They’ll want Cooch. They may settle for Pavs.

If smoke comes out of it, it’s working.

Are you planning on using Linux? If so, then I’d suggest an Nvidia graphics card. Both the Nvidia and community open source drivers are good. ATI provides rare proprietary driver updates, and the open source driver is rather iffy.

Also, are you just using this to screw around.. or are you going to be playing games and stuff?

Phuck Phoenix and their whole ‘trying to compete and build a fanbase’ thing they have going on down there.

I think Colorado and Tampa did pretty well for themselves. Detroit, meh.

the Sharks are getting creative with their offer. I don’t know what that means, but I read that as DW is somehow maintaining the discussion without involving a core piece (at least that’s what I am hoping).

Also what would you guys think of doing some sort of whole sale pick exchange that essentially allows the Blue Jackets to move all their picks up one round. For example:

to CBJ: San Jose’s 2013 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
to SJ: Columbus’ 2013 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th

Its a gamble from SJ’s point of view in that we are assuming that CBJ is gonna be rebuilding next year, not make much progress from this year, and be holding picks at the top of the rounds. We also assume that we will remain a contending team and be drafting at the bottom each round. Basically we trade a 1st rounder for earlier picks in all the rounds, and CBJ get to cracks at the first round.

Only for the sharks. Wont happen (the Nash part anyway) but we can all dream right

Carter’s a good player, but having him on the Kings with his bestest buddy Richards is playing with fire.

If the Kings stay the same as they’ve been all year (no offense) & end up missing the playoffs after this deal? Oh boy.

And for trading Owen Nolan…

From 06-09 he was a ~.9 PPG player, as well as having very good underlying metrics (Corsi, etc.). He hasn’t been able to stay healthy the last two years and he is having a down year (by his standards) this season but he is still very good. It’s a lot of money for a player that probably won’t play two full seasons, but because it is so short there is relatively low risk because the Oilers are a rebuilding team with a lot of cap space.

after clearing waivers, and not have to go through waivers again?

They were playing in Minnesota.

I’m not really on board with the zombie craze. I like zombie movies (Dawn of the Dead, Zombieland, [Rec], etc.) and zombie video games (Left 4 Dead 2, mostly), but like… It’s too much. Let’s get some creativity. Things like Marvel Zombies is just waaaaaay too far.