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In true dichotomous fashion the San Jose Sharks will go up against a middling defensive team after falling 3-0 in a hard-fought battle against one of the better defensive teams in the league.

And while the Washington Capitals don't exactly provide the litmus test that St. Louis Blues offered them last night, getting a chance to pick up two points after another dissapointing loss to St. Louis is precisely what the doctor ordered for this club as they embark on a 9 game road trip.

There's been a lot of frustration with the teams play of late-- 3 losses in 4 games tends to do that to a fanbase-- and the way in which San Jose has gone about losing those games is mildly concerning at this point in the season. Losses to Phoenix and Calgary were plagued with ill-advised defensive errors that cost them at crucial moments in the game, a disastrous twenty five minutes against Chicago was all but saved when Jamie McGinn managed to turn the tides with a fight against Brian Bickell, and last night against St. Louis the Blues managed to outwork and outgrind San Jose during a slobberknocker of a game.

It hasn't been disastrous but it hasn't been pretty, which truly makes all the difference at this stage of the year when standings points are on the line.

And while San Jose continues to possess good underlying metrics and by all accounts is on their way towards competing for a Stanley Cup in the spring, the pieces in place don't seem like quite enough at this point to justify pulling out the shades as we cruise towards another Western Conference Finals appearance with the top rolled down in the California sun.

Star-divide

With the NHL Trade Deadline approaching in two weeks, and prices for rentals increasing in size, San Jose's ability to find an upgrade for their forward group is the most pressing issue for Sharks General Manager Doug Wilson as he attempts to round out his roster into fine form. The return of Martin Havlat from injury in mid-March is obviously something that will help the Sharks in this regard, but a disappointing season to date for the oft-injured winger provides no guarantees as to what his future production will bring. There's been mentions of Paul Gaustad earlier this season, Ray Whitney last week, and now Mike Knuble of the Capitals as a potential candidate to join the team later this month.

Here's Kevin Kurz with more:

Knuble, who has just three goals this season, is a guy that needs to play with top players in order to be effective. He blossomed with Thornton and Murray in Boston, continued to produce with players like Peter Forsberg and Simon Gagne in Philadelphia, and as recently as last season scored 24 goals with Washington. He’s due to become an unrestricted free agent, and there’s a good chance he retires when it’s through. He would cost you less than, say, Ray Whitney, another player reportedly on San Jose's radar.

He’s also one of the most professional and well-liked players in the game today. Having not won a Stanley Cup since he played a limited role with the Red Wings in 1998, he’d be as driven as anyone when the playoffs came around.

>> "Knuble to Sharks could make sense"

Knuble has been a healthy scratch in the last two games for the Capitals and, has Kurz mentions above, has struggled mightily this season with a measly 3 goals and 8 assists. He's not exactly a guy that jumps out at you as a world beater, but his ability to find the back of the net is well-evidenced by the fact that he had put up an impressive eight 20 goal seasons in a row heading into this year.

At the age of 39 there's no telling if those historical numbers mean much-- human beings not named Nicklas Lidstrom* usually experience a severe drop off in production once they get past the age of 35-- but it is something to hold on to especially since the price for acquiring Knuble would be so darn cheap at around the 2nd to 3rd round pick range.

*To be fair though, Lidstrom is probably a cyborg.

Where the trepidation comes into play is just how poor Knuble has played this season. In years past his underlying metrics have been solid, finishing around the middle of the pack in comparison to his teammates and jiving with what you would expect of a swing winger (swinger?) who provides value to a team on either the first, second, or third line. But this season those numbers have taken quite the tumble, with Knuble finishing dead last on the team in CORSI despite facing relatively low quality of competition.

These numbers do have context however, as all things do, and the fact remains that Knuble has been thrown to the wolves by a Washington coaching that loads him up on defensive zone draws. The percentages have bit him in the ass as well, with some gnarly looking PDO numbers and a ridiculously low shooting percentage managing to hurt him far more than he has deserved.

All in all however, the fact remains that Knuble is probably in the twilight of his career and should be expected on a third line role if he was acquired by San Jose. That role depends entirely on what the organization believes Havlat will be able to give once he returns, a decision that unfortunately can't be made with game action as Havlat's return will come after the scorching deadline sun has set.

All in all it's going to be an interesting few weeks, especially with the Sharks on the road leading up to the deadline. Although it's safe to assume Wilson has essentially set his mind to what his team needs, their performance on this road trip could tilt the tables and help him determine just what type of splash he wants to make.

Until then we can dream of our Hemsky's, Gaustad's, and Ruutu's confident in the knowledge that Wilson, ever the diligent analyst, usually comes up with something no soul in the media ever saw coming.

Prediction: Sharks win 4-2. Goals by Pavelski, McGinn, Braun, and Clowe.

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Will be interesting

to see how trades and the deadline work out. What teams will be sellers, and what they’re willing to take for whomever.
Sharks need to fight harder on this road trip, as points around the league are at a premium. Perhaps, like last season, it will be the turnaround they need to get the little things together. Long trip should help players bond a bit better. Idiosyncrasies of each player will be more discovered by the rest of their teammates.
Last season, the road trip was only 7 games, where the Sharks went 5-2-0 with 19 GF – 13 GA, which is pretty good. Some of the players had mentioned that the long trip made them a better team, and it showed during that 2nd-half run.

Nemo played well, IMHO, keeping the Sharks in the game vs the Blues. If he was playing one of his poorer games, the Sharks could’ve been blown-out.

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by Soloact on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 AM PST reply actions  

Bounce back game

Good thing about back to back games is if the first one isn’t good, they get to get right back out there.

Ovi & Semin both seem to have found their games recently which is good becuase they are pretty fun to watch when they’re playing well.

I would expect the Sharks to play with a bit of fire today after such a frustrating game last night.

by milanahalek on Feb 13, 2012 7:39 AM PST reply actions  

I hope they come out with some fire.

It’s great that we get another crack at the two points tonight 24 hours after a dreary game in STL.

by 408sharks on Feb 13, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure it will matter much who we bring in

The success or failure of this team this year lies within the group of players we have now. Assuming that Havlat and Demers are back in the line up and healthy come playoff time, this group will win or lose on their talent, desire, and results. I don’t think bringing in a near 40 year old vet will be the difference between beating St. Louis or Detroit or Vancouver this year or losing in the playoffs. This team can win it all if Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau and the other leaders on this team deliver in the playoffs. Having to answer questions year after year about how or why you can’t win it all, should be motivation enough to get this team to the finals. The talent is there as is the desire. And if the bounces go our way, let’s hope that will be enough to bring the Stanley Cup to San Jose!

by douchebags on Feb 13, 2012 7:41 AM PST reply actions  

I agree & disagree...

I agree that the Sharks need their top guys to play like top guys but to go through 4 rounds in the playoffs, teams have to have depth and role players that step up when the top guys get shut down because it will happen.

The Sharks absolutely need to add at least 1 forward – Havlat is going to miss at least another 10 games, likely more and the guys they are trying to plug into that spot right now just haven’t been good enough, really by no fault of their own, McCarthy, Ferriero, Wingels, Desi, Winchester – they’re just not top 6 players.

I’m not saying Knuble is the answer here as he has had a really rough year, but I also just don’t believe the guy has suddenly forgotten how to play hockey. There are quite a few players out there that make sense for the Sharks and I’m sure Wilson will trade for at least one of them before the end of this road trip.

by milanahalek on Feb 13, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed on both counts guys.

This team is going to win or lose with their core, that much is certain. The only way they go deep is if Thornton, Markeau, Couture, Boyle, Burns, and Niemi have good playoff runs and can carry the team at crucial moments.

But adding another piece can make a legitimate difference in helping ease the burden off of those guys throughout the course of a series. So instead of having their top players carry the load in 5 games per series they might only need to do so in 4 games. With series usually decided by a mere win or two that makes a huge difference.

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by Mr. Plank on Feb 13, 2012 8:51 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Knuble

Mr. Plank,
Is this the guy you think SJ should target the most? Or, is there another player out there who could potentially help carry the load in a game or two come playoff time?
And, how much do you think DW is willing to give up to win now?

by douchebags on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Knuble

In my opinion he is not the 1st player the Sharks should be targeting, but that player may not be available when all is said and done (stupid Islanders had to go and extend Nielsen).

The Sharks need to be looking for players that will fit into a role, Knuble would fit some needs but not others. Ruutu fits some, Gaustad fits some, Moen fits some…Whitney and Selanne (neither of which I’m guessing will be traded) would both be great.

The trade market is a bit odd this year, it doesn’t seem like there are a whole lot of useful players available, but no one will really know until that 1st trade is made.

by milanahalek on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I lived in DC for the last two years and saw him play quite a few games with the caps. I always liked his style of playing close to the net with a sweet puck-handling Backstrom and the strong shot of OV. He was a perfect fit for that top line when they were on. I think he has slowed up a bit during that time-frame. My personal opinion, I would not be stoked if he came to the Sharks. I would rather have someone else.

On a different note, how come TMAC has not tried McGinn on the second line with Couture and Clowe? I liked the chemistry of Handzus and McGinn, but that was in November and/or December. Perhaps with McGinn and Couture’s positioning combined with Clowe’s grit against the board ,that could be a real puck-possession line. Can someone let me know if I am being stupid?

by Cloweture on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s a good idea in theory, but whenever McGinn comes off the 3rd line, he just tries too much, and isn’t as effective as he is on the 3rd. Or at least, that’s what TMac says when he’s on the 1st line. Not sure if he’s ever been on the 2nd, though.

by JBarrow on Feb 13, 2012 11:01 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

McGinn is not a puck possession player…every time he’s been moved off of the 3rd line (or played against tougher competition) he has struggled.

He is very comfortable on the 3rd line and is at his best when he’s there, McLellan is smart to keep him there.

by milanahalek on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

SHARKS!!!!

Win this one!
I agree with what douchebags said…
Bringing in a older vet may make Thornton and Marleau feel like they are kids again but Knuble on the Sharks makes as much sense to me as having Claude Lemieux, great idea, half a decade or so late

by sharkblood99 on Feb 13, 2012 7:54 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed. Good analogy.

The question is, can you get him for a bag of pucks. If it is beyond that, forget it.

by psantangeli on Feb 13, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

But that’s a horrible analogy…Lemieux hadn’t played an NHL game for 6 years and no meaningful / competitive hockey for about 5 of those years.

Knuble before this season put up 8 straight 20 goal seasons. You may not be interested in Knuble which is fine but comparing him to Claude Lemieux is way, way off.

by milanahalek on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm still mad!

At the Sharks for signing Lemieux. Since his first name wasn’t Mario, I thought then and still think that was a horrible p/u. To me, he was a dirty player, just ask Chris Draper and then when asked to step up and fight various Redwing players, he turtled. We didn’t need a guy like that with bad mojo and he did next to nothing to help us that year. Yuck! Just thinking of CL makes me kinda sick!

by douchebags on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL!

Not comparing so much in the two being in simular game shape but more of a GM going for the ‘ol’ shoe, crusty vet’ cliché. I highly doubt DW is going for that when Madden was available till last month, but if Wilson does decide to go with something like that 3/4 into the season he should have his knuckles wacked with a ruler, or at the very least, a wet willie courtesy of Remenda… thats not what this team needs IMO!

by sharkblood99 on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Not the team to go all the way...

As dismal as that sounds, I don’t think we are that far off though. We don’t need a huge name to bring the extra spark we need to make us a Cup contender. Last year it was Kyle Wellwood. Another supporting cast member like that would be tremendous for us. The Sharks are a good team, just not a great team at this moment. I’m very interested to see what the Wizard (aka DW) has in store for us. Thornton has proved he’s a playoff player the past two post seasons… Marleau will always be streaky as hell, even in the playoffs.

Saying that, until that happens, I’ll concentrate on now.

Sharks bounce back and win 3-2. Goals by Marleau, McGinn, and Burns. GO SHARKS!!!

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by winthecupsj on Feb 13, 2012 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

Not too sure about tonight

I don’t see a team playing with too much fire in their belly and that makes me concerned about tonight’s game. The Sharks have lost to Phoenix and Calgary recently – two teams that were on the outside looking in. Washington is in the same boat and I see them as the ones who will go the extra mile tonight. Enough cliches for one post?

by sharkster on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I have had this game

circled on my calendar all season. My two favorite teams! Of course I will be rooting for the Sharks to win, but I’m excited to see what the Caps bring tonight. Always fun to watch.

by HeatersLeadingLady on Feb 13, 2012 9:05 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

Love the idea of adding Knuble...

I think him on the top line with Thornton and Pavelski would be really useful. He’s a legit netfront presence, and knows how to score some goals. He’d work hard and could really give our top guys a spark. And, of course, he’d be great in the locker room. I honestly don’t see Havlat as a useful piece of this team. Therefore, someone like Knuble could actually round out the top 6, and at least make it so everyone has defined roles. And it would be cheap…probably just a middling draft pick.

As for tonight’s game…who knows. The Sharks seem to like playing the Caps at home…not so much on the road. But at least Greiss should be starting tonight, so that makes me happy.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 13, 2012 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

Havlat

Has proven in the past to be a clutch playoff performer. He’s great at controlling the puck and is an excellent pass first player. Not sure how he will perform coming off of such a serious injury this season, but I’m glad we have him, especially come playoff time. On the PP, he should get lots of time. I could handle Knuble in a top six role, but it doesn’t mean Havlat won’t fit in either. I like the idea of having more talent depending on who we’ll be playing come playoff time.

by douchebags on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. I honestly wasn’t too upset when Havlat wasn’t scoring while he was around. Just reading interviews with him, you can tell that he gets some major clamidia come playoff time. Just picture this: top line of Pavs-Jumbo-Ginger Beard. Pavs has already proven he’s a playoff hero, Jumbo certainly seemed to last year as well, and Ginger Beard has the drive to be one. I honestly can’t wait to see him on the top line.

by JBarrow on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree to having an open mind, even some possible excitement over what Knuble could add (though it would be very guarded), but I have trouble understanding how it’s okay to give Knuble the benefit of the doubt—at his age and with how he’s played/not played this year for the Caps—but then give the cold shoulder to Havlat.

He was by no means tearing it up, but he A) was coming off of surgery, B) starting with a new team, and C) got hurt again. And he seemed to just finally be hitting his stride. So it seems only fair to have some hope for what he can bring, especially considering his track record.

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by Timorous Me on Feb 13, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

The two aren't connected...

My approval of Knuble and disapproval of Havlat are mutually exclusive. Even without Knuble, I don’t think Havlat does anything for us this year. And even if Havlat was here, I’d like the acquisition of Knuble, should it happen.

I’ve just never been a Havlat fan. Not a fan of his game, of his durability, and have literally no faith in his ability to ever stay on the ice. With him missing so much time, I also have extreme doubts about his ability to mesh with the team. He was literally a non factor early this season…and then disappeared again. And all of a sudden he’s going to fit in on the top 6 and be a gamechanger? Excuse me if I remain skeptical.

Havlat, also, isn’t going to provide anything close to a netfront presence, which is something I think we need. My optimism over what Knuble brings to the table isn’t giving him the “benefit of the doubt,” its more that Knuble brings skills to the table I think our team is lacking.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 13, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreeing with Zero… I don’t see what everyone else sees in Havlat. I hope to be proved wrong but seeing what he accomplished in Minnesota, what he showed in the few games with SJ so far, and seeing his stats with Chicago and Ottawa… I don’t see that “clutch” performer.

But like I said, I would love to be proven wrong.

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by winthecupsj on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess

I’m in the minority ? I actually truly believe if he can be healthy, he will be our X factor, I actually had no problems with his play in teal, he wasn’t scoring but he was generating chances. I think his speed and play-making will help any line he ends up on, I assume he will be on the 2nd or 3rd when he comes back depending on trade deadline movement. In his 2 most recent playoff runs he has had 28 points in 26 games, however it would be fair to mention those 2 runs are from the 05-06, and 08-09 seasons. Can you elaborate on what you didn’t like about his stats with chi and ott? because he was an absolute beast during his time with those 2 teams, nearly a point per game when he wasn’t on the ir lol.

by RZ39 on Feb 14, 2012 2:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll be at the game

Sharks win 8-0. Pavelski matches Gagner’s 8 point effort.

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by Will Bulldozer on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 AM PST reply actions  

PAVELTRICK!! PAVELTRICK!! PAVELTRICK!!

by Uvnod on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

tell jumbo to call his buddy rick nash and convince him to come out here….61 would look awesome in a sharks uni

by Nicholas Lab on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

His cap hit would look terrible in a Sharks uni

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 13, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

tell that to braun

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Strangest tweet of the day...

From James Mirtle…

RT @SuicidePass: @YakovMironov @mirtle BREAKING: Sharks trade Shilly Pendersnoot to Nashville for rights to Waldo McNimbleberry. (RT, ¶, @, ☆, #)
Waldo McNimbleberry has skills. (RT, ¶, @, ☆, #)

Either two players I’ve never heard of, or given the names, James has had his account hacked…

by psantangeli on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Hey, I could use me some Waldo McNimbleberry – sounds like he has hands ;-)

by psantangeli on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

We should put him on a line with

Tommy Wingels and Benn Ferrierio. I want to hear announcers lose their crap trying to say these names.

by bezzerkker on Feb 13, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Mistake free hockey

is what this club needs to win. When they limit penalties & turnovers, all of a sudden they look like immortals. Unfortunately they don’t seem to have any consistency doing so. So here’s to a 1 – 0 or 2 – 1 game from the Sharks, a boring effort that makes me feel good about the team dynamics in place.

Go Sharks.

by Dermal Denticles on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

comes up with something no soul in the media ever saw coming

Thornton and a first for Stamkos and Hedman.

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by Evil Stanchion on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

*To be fair though, Lidstrom is probably a cyborg.

You are correct.

by Shrk2th on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

I have to disagree with Plank on one thing.

This game IS a litmus test. Washington is a very mediocre team, and unless they pull a masterpiece out of their ass, this should be an easy game for the Sharks to win.

Personally, I’m having a big issue with this defensive game McLellan is preaching, especially when a) our offence can do oh-so-much more with the tools at its disposal, and b) “defensive game” too often means “play on your heels, boxed in your own zone.” I honestly think McLellan’s gone if the Sharks don’t at least make the conference final this year.

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by Evil Stanchion on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

I was thinking about that last night. But what occurs to me is that it is sort of a virus infecting the league. Look at St. Louis. Very hard to argue with that success with that roster. If I’m the GM or ownership, I’m preaching defensive hockey too. If I’m the coach, I’m looking around at the struggles of teams like Washington and focusing on my end.

It’s probably time that the league took another look at the rules and tried to combat it – we are heading back into another era of trapping. My personal favorite thing to do – reduce the size of goalie pads. An offense-first strategy would make more sense if scoring didn’t rely so much on luck (bounces and rebounds).

by psantangeli on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Small problem with the gametime and channel

Game starts at 4:30 according to Nhl.com.
And it looks to be on NBC sports network so I believe that means its not on CSNCA, but I could be wrong about that one

by slotownsharksfan on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

Thank god for justifiable piracy.

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by Evil Stanchion on Feb 13, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

awesome

funny thing is that when they are on the channel formerly known as Versus I actually get to watch it on tv and have to watch all the others on my computer by less than perfectly legal means.
Thats what i get for not moving back to the bay area

by slotownsharksfan on Feb 13, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Seeing as the Capitals are an average team, we'll probably beat them.

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by Diamondback15 on Feb 13, 2012 1:43 PM PST reply actions  

Not gonna lie

I would LOVE to see a Nemo-Nabby tandem. And Ray Whitney too. Then we would HAVE to win the cup, right? Oh, and Cheech in Wooster.

But in all seriousness, Nabokov has looked absolutely stellar in his last few games, and it would be awesome to see him back in teal on a shorter/cheaper contract to solidify our goalie position. I’m not sure where that would leave Griess though.

Selanne is available too (if he wants to go to a cup-contending team). He would essentially be a Havlat-insurance at best or an upgrade to Mitchell on the third line. Why not go for it?

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by CheechYou on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

Teemu

The ducks are pretty clearly going to be sellers. IF Teemu wants to finish his career with a contender, I think he would be a great fit. All depends on him though – I’m sure the door is open for him to play in Anaheim for as long as he wants.

We don’t need more goalies. Just ask Niitty.

by psantangeli on Feb 13, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

In spite of what a very vocal segment of the board has to say about it

It doesn’t matter where Greiss ends up because he’s never going to be a serious contender to start here, because frankly, he’s not really all that good. I’m sure he’ll get a starting gig somewhere in the league, and he’ll probably be a pretty serviceable goaltender overall, but he’s not likely to be better than Niemi in the next 4 years, and by most accounts, the guys behind him are all better. He’s trade bait.

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 13, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

BLASPHEMY

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 13, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I've already got my express ticket to hell booked

So what’s a little blasphemy between friends?

But in seriousness, Greiss is a great young goaltender who has a good pokecheck, good size, and questionable positioning. If he gets some starting time and some good coaching, he could turn out to be a pretty decent goaltender. None of that is going to happen here. Barring the unthinkable, Niemi isn’t going to pull a Huet and lose his job. He’s inexplicably become a good goaltender, one who is strictly better than Greiss is right now, and probably better than Greiss ever is going to be. We turned Kipprusoff into Vlasic, which seems pretty good. Maybe we can turn Greiss into a relevant roster player.

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

If Greiss got the number of starts and faith from the coaching staff that Niemi has been handed (without having to earn it, mind you). the Sharks would be in a much better position. Not only do I contend that Greiss have more natural talent than Niemi (who cannot go post to post, and cannot recover from a sprawling save attempt to save his life…and also is frequently out of position), but he’s also a billion times cheaper. This cap flexibility would allow us to make the roster in front of him better…which would only help our team as a whole.

I think you are correct in that Greiss will never get a start here. And I also agree that the kids behind him (Stalock and Sexsmith in particular) are much more clearly our future in net (and our present as of next season, if I had anything to say about it). But the claim that Niemi is better than Greiss will ever be seems to be a stretch, at best…and laughable at worst.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I would also point out that from when I first saw Greiss

He’s taken his flying all over the place and tightened it up quite a bit. Meaning, he’s improved. I think Greiss will be great for a few years, but once he loses a step, it’s all over. See: Felix Potvin.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 13, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Greiss’ game has improved leaps and bounds from when he played his 1st NHL game, he did a lot of work over the summer as well. His positioning and body control are much better this season.

by milanahalek on Feb 13, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. There are just too many Goalie’s in waiting (not Greiss) for us to take on another. If the team was in any way considering this kind of thing, they would have first given Niitty a shot. Top 6 forward is what they are looking for, and weighing everything against the chances of Havlat having a quick restart.

by psantangeli on Feb 13, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Teemu

Sounds like an exciting name that can provide some nice scoring depth especially on the PP. I think Teemu and Couture would be a nice punch on the 2nd PP unit. But considering his last stint with the Sharks was far less than satisfying, I don’t think he would do well in SJ again.

by 408sharks on Feb 13, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

That was a long time ago (in hockey years) with a very different team.

by psantangeli on Feb 13, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

true but Teemu was also a better player back then. I just think maybe he’s got something against the Sharks (he loves the ducks too much) or doesn’t want to perform at his highest level when here. I just get that feeling.

by 408sharks on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve seen fans say the same thing about Moen…that because he sucked (which he didn’t) for the Sharks 4 years ago that he’d be a horrible addition now.

Both Selanne and Moen are upgrades, Selanne to the 2nd line (HUGE upgrade) and Moen to either the 3rd or 4th line.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that either wouldn’t be at their best, Selanne espcially since he’d have to waive his NMC to be traded.

by milanahalek on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

the question is WOULD Teemu waive his NMC for the Sharks?? NO he wouldn’t cus he doesn’t like the Sharks therefor would not being playing his best hockey for the Sharks.

Moen and Teemu showed no heart or desire that they wanted to be with this franchise when they were here so I don’t think they want to come back.

by 408sharks on Feb 13, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Moen and Teemu showed no heart or desire that they wanted to be with this franchise

Again, I would love it if someone could prove this whole ‘he has no heart’ stuff I keep hearing.

Also, Moen was on record stating that he wanted to stay in San Jose – he wasn’t offered a contract.

by milanahalek on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. I tend to disregard mind-readers :-)
If Teemu came here, it would be to win a cup. No better motivation than that.

by psantangeli on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you prove they both did show heart when playing here?

C’mon, watching Teemu show nothing while he was here in SJ only to go back to the Ducks and be stellar? What else do you need to know that Teemu doesn’t like it here in SJ?

by 408sharks on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Photo evidence

Here is Sid, clearly showing his sparkly Twilight side. As such creatures are clearly not vampires, but instead sparkly abominations only mistaken as such by mental incompetents. Since Sidney Crosby is clearly a sparkly Twilight thing, he is not a vampire. Q.E.D.!

I agree with the rest of what you’re arguing, though.

by bezzerkker on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Guys, guys. Moen and Teemu showed no chlamydia when they were here.

We got damaged goods in Teemu. He is a changed player after getting knee surgery, after his (bad) years here and in Colorado. That doesn’t mean that I’m not pissed that he missed an open net in the playoffs, though. I’ve never heard he disliked playing for us.

Moen was here for such a short time, it’d be unfair to generalize too much about his performance. But it’s true that he didn’t bring the grittiness and defensive accumen we acquired him to provide vs. his old team in the 1st round. He was a non-factor, among a bunch of non-factors.

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by ievans on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm all about The Wizard

Mr. Ray Whitney himself. Been a huge fan of his since he played in SJ and would have loved to seem him stay with the Sharks over the years. I think he makes a lot of sense coming to the Sharks.

by 408sharks on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

No need to clog up the goalie pipeline.

With Sateri, Sexsmith, and now Stalock all in Worcester, additionally having Greiss there would be less then ideal.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's to tonight

hoping the right Sharks team shows up on National TV. Hopefully we don’t get shutout tonight. This Sharks team should never get shutout yet we have been shutout several times this year…

by 408sharks on Feb 13, 2012 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

I'm watching the Caps feed cause I'm not home to get CSN...

and this is the second time I’ve heard them refer to San Jose’s “stifling team defense.” That’s gotta be a first.

by Eretan on Feb 13, 2012 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

Stifling until there’s less than a second left in the period.

by Rhapsody in Teal on Feb 13, 2012 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

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