Time To Go Young
by John3211 on Feb 20, 2012 12:02 AM PST
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PrintThe possibility of the San Jose Sharks making a huge trade is probably minimal. The Sharks do not look like a Stanly Cup contender this year. This is why I think after this season Doug Wilson might want to look at trading some assets. Truthfully I think Thornton would be ideal. They can either get a real good prospects or a young number one line player. Now, this probably won't happen with Joe's no trade clause, but I just don't see it happening with Joe. The NHL is not a pretty goal league anymore and Joe needs to change his mind set looking for the perfect pass.
Also seriously Wilson needs to stop bringing in old defense men, Colin White, Kent Huskins, Nicholas Wallin, and Jim Vandimire. The Sharks are not deep in prospect forwards, but they are deep in young defense men. I would rather see Matt Irwin, Nick Petrecki, or Sena Alcolate make mistakes than Colin White. The door is closing on the Sharks and Wilson knows it. Time to let go of some of the old and bring in the young.
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Disagree completely.
Just because the Sharks are in a cold streak does not mean they’re not one of the top teams in this league with a fantastic shot at the Stanley Cup.
It’s a long season, and the sky has not fallen yet.
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I disagree with your assessment on Thornton.
He faces the toughest competition the league has to offer, starting from his own zone most of the time, and yet pushes the play in the right direction more than almost anybody in the league. http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2011_s&f2=5v5&f7=30-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67#
The Sharks may not be playing well right now but it’s not because their three high dollar players aren’t performing.
Disagree with everything
Joe Thornton is still a first line center and a pretty damn good one.
You should take the time to watch the prospects, Petrecki, Irwin, Acolatse, before you decide that they would be a better option than Colin White. None of them are ready to play in the NHL. Much line Wallin & especially Huskins, White isn’t nearly as bad as fans seem to think he is. He isn’t playing anywhere near the level I expected from him and I’d prefer, when all the D are healthy,, that he not be in the lineup but fans need their whipping boy. This year it seems to be White and Niemi.
This team is not going to go through a rebuild anytime soon, nor do they need to.
Something notable from the Detroit game that the announcers actually picked up. Whenever Thornton came on the ice for a shift in between puck drops, the Detroit bench was yelling out his name so that their players would know he was on.
You don’t do that with past their prime players that aren’t threats.
Nuff said.
On White
Said it before, say it again, third pairing Dman is third pairing Dman. There is a reason why White and Vandy where signed for that role. They are not going to be spectacular by any sense, and like Wallin and Huskins before them, they will make mistakes and bad plays from time to time. Honestly Braun has had a great season and has surpassed my expectations (he could put a few more points, but honestly a lucky bounce here or there and he could be FAR exceeding expectations)
What you want White and Vandy for is when a inevitable injury comes up down the stretch or in the playoffs, we have solid NHL level Dmen to step up – instead of AHL rookies or journeymen.
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Thornton is probably the best player on the Sharks.
He is the face of the franchise, along with Marleau. He’s not going anywhere, and he’s still a great player. And the Sharks are just going through a cold streak.
And Petrecki and the others aren’t even ready for the NHL. Trust DW. It usually ends up well. :P
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by sanjosesharksfan on Feb 20, 2012 9:40 AM PST reply actions
Win the Stanley Cup in February or die
I think what many don’t seem to understand is that the NHL hockey season is a long grind. There is an ebb and flow to any team’s fortunes. This team is too good not to make the playoffs. When they get there it will be a matter of their overall talent, health, motivation, momentum and some luck.
Thats what most of the negative nancies that frequent here don’t understand. I’m not all rosy about the team, but I understand that the core is there and when working properly the team is capable of winning it all. Yet you can’t win everything and teams go through streaks all the time. It simply happens because a good portion of the game revolves around the mental aspect. When people are in a mental funk then that effects every decision making aspect of the game.
Look at Clowe, he’s so discombobulated right now I’m surprised he can tie his own skate laces. Does that mean Clowe’s career is over? Of course not. Look at Boston, they’re 4-6-0 in their last 10 as well. Does that mean the defending champs are garbage flunkies? Of course not.
Criticism is a healthy thing, but there is a difference between constructive criticism and “the sky is falling” panic/trolling.
by VVhirlwind on Feb 20, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
nail has been hit on the head
although personally I feel Niemi does need to wake up sometime soon. (Can we somehow acquire Ryan Miller?)
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Do really think this team has been dominating at all this season. I’m not talking about right now all season they haven’t been consistent let alone great. Really look at this team and tell me honestly that this is a Stanley Cup winner.
by John3211 on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can, if Havlat returns and performs at even half of his production capability from his last couple years with the Wild, then the Sharks are definitely strong contenders for the cup. Every team has problems, but every team has strengths too, and the Sharks have enough to be a contender.
Outside of this recent funk streak, the Sharks have not been completely dominated in a single game outside of that one game against Ottawa. I could count the New York game too but that was in the first weeks where they were still getting their legs under them adjusting to all the new teammates etc.
And the Sharks have certainly dominated opposing teams many times this season. The last Chicago game was total domination regardless of a couple flukey and sloppy goals against after the lead was secured. The first 2 Detroit games had us bending them over and having our way with them. The first Lightning game was a raping complete with tears and probably bondage.
When the team is cohesive and executing, you can tell. Things are just on. Conversely you can also tell very readily when the team is NOT cohesive and not executing. Moreso than most other teams where they can’t generate much, when the Sharks aren’t clicking it becomes turnover city and problems taking the puck into the opposing zone manually (when they’re struggling, you’ll see LOTS of dump and chases, which of course ultimately fail).
Consistency is the greatest problem with the Sharks. It just seems that the team is more emotionally driven than other teams. When they’re not in the game you can tell it by how little they’re skating. This whole road trip it has been readily apparent just how up and down that can be, because every game on the trip they’ve started the first period complete shit. Then bounce back in the 2nd because they’ve been scored against. Then they score a couple and the pressure lessens and that drive dies until the last seconds of the 3rd, by which it is then too late.
BEAST MODE FOR FULL 60 MINUTES and the Sharks can stomp faces daily. Unfortunately, the Sharks rarely play complete 60 minute games.
by VVhirlwind on Feb 21, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I have never heard of a team with a winning record, in 1st place in their division, trading their best player and captain (plus former Hart winner, future Hall of Famer, etc.) for prospects. It would be unprecedented. That’s all I really have to say about this.
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Er, trade Thornton? No thanks.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
Agree with the other comments saying that it isn’t time to panic and blow everything up, but at the same time I agree that bringing in Vandermeer (playing forward) and White (terrible at hockey) with so much young depth at D was questionable. It isn’t as though these guys are major contributors, why not see if any of the young guys (who certainly have higher ceilings) can help out.
I'm as excited to see Petrecki and Acolaste as the next guy,
But they need time to marinate in the minors. Petrecki should be competing for a third pairing spot next season.
D Prospects
The org knows their prospects very, very well. If they had thought any of them were ready to compete for a roster spot either Vandermeer or White would not have been signed and that prospect would have been given every opportunity to earn a roster spot. Braun has come up and done that this year, I’m guessing the team had a very good idea that this would happen.
Teams need to be 8 deep on NHL ready d-men, that was made very obvious during the playoffs last season. Vandermeer has done his job, he’s a #7 d-man that can come in and out of the line up and not be a liability.
White, for about 8 or 9 years was a top 4 d-man on a good defensive team. His game started to fall off a little bit last year, that combined w/ good young d-men coming up is why New Jersey bought out his contract. I don’t think anyone expected him to struggle as much as he is this season.
It’s fun to look at what Wilson has done in hindsight, but it doesn’t paint an accurate picture of why he did what he did.
The coach has shown he doesn’t like having a lot of faith in young defense men in the past. Why would it change change now? These over the hill players like White and Huskins that don’t fight, don’t score, don’t block shots, and get burned a hell of a lot is a waste of a roster spot. At least if Wilson brings Petrecki or Irwin they can get the experience. Also at least the youngsters can have an excuse if they screw up. White has no excuse he is a vet that doesn’t look like he has it anymore. Wilson in the past has no fear of bringing up young defense men. Its McLellan only accepts young players if he has no other choice. I know look at Demers and Braun they both came up because of injuries and got to prove themselves. Even when Demers and Braun were playing good he still opted for White. This has no thing to do with Wilson who is very high on Petrecki this is Mclellan’s thing
While I don’t know this for a fact, I’m fairly certain White plays because his CORSI is better than Murray’s and Demers’ in all categories and Vandermeer’s when you adjust for quality of competition. I’d also point out that he has 60 blocks in 38 games, which is a heck of a lot more than the none you accuse him of.
Trust me, I am not particularly fond of White, but I feel I can easily see where the coaching staff is finding their justifications for playing him.
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McGinn, Couture, Wingels, McCarthy, Ferriero, Demers, Braun, have all been brought up and given playing time under McLellan – saying he has a thing against young players is absolutely rediculous.
Petrecki, whether Wilson is high on him or not, and Irwin are NOT ready for the NHL. I’ve watched the WorSharks quite a bit, and bringing a young player up who’s not ready can push hurt their development.
*not sure how ‘actually’ ended up as ‘push’…but it should say ‘can actually hurt their development’.
I think he’ll be ready to fight for a spot in training camp and should be able to earn a spot as the #6/7 d-man. The Sharks already have Boyle, Burns, Braun (I’m assuming they re-sign him), Demers, Vlasic and Murray under contract for next year so unless someone is moved, there’s really only 1 spot open.
He’s still not using his size effectively on regular basis and tends to make some really boneheaded mistakes, those can both be fixed with experience…he’s going to to end up being a bit of a late bloomer because I think he can end up a 2nd pairing Douglas Murray type d-man.
The really good thing about him is that he’s coachable and he wants to get better and will do whatever the coaching staff tells him he needs to do to get to the next level.
He better be good...
P.K. Subban, Wayne Simmonds, Keith Aullie, Jamie Benn, and Carl Hagelin were all drafted after he was!
And there are plenty of players drafted before he was that still aren’t in the NHL.
Forwards take less time to develop than Defensemen, not to mention the stay at home defensemen types.
Hell, Braun is 2 1/2 years older than Petrecki and only just now broke in. What I love about the Sharks is how they don’t rush the development of their prospect pool. They don’t need to bring someone up that isn’t ready and crush their spirit under the expectations of the big leagues (cough coughSheppard*cough cough*). He’s developing, and will probably be ready in the next couple years, or earlier.
Considering that Huskins was 30-31 years old while he was on the Sharks, I’m not sure that qualifies as “over the hill”.
Huskins plays a no frills, steady, game. Nothing flashy or sexy, simple straightforward hockey. More often than not he got the job done, and occasionally he shit the bed, like a lot of third pair dmen.
With the top heavy salary structure the Sharks currently have, the bottom lines of the forwards and D pairings are necessarily a mix of young players and bargain vets. If you look at Vandy and Whites contracts and their roles on the team it may not be FUGGIN AMAZING, but you could do a lot worse.
Also bringing up a young player before he is ready , can be pretty damaging to their confidence and career. Especially if you shoehorn them into a role they are never going to succeed at.
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by jMoneyBrah on Feb 21, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He plays for the San Diego Sharks, duh!
He’s on the team with Thorton and the guys!
by bezzerkker on Feb 20, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah with bums like Dan Boole and Michal Handguns
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by Dmitriy on Feb 20, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and Joe Puhvallski and Logan Coulture
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by Soloact on Feb 20, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Bockerz on Feb 20, 2012 4:46 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Also seriously Wilson needs to stop bringing in old defense men, Colin White, Kent Huskins, Nicholas Wallin, and Jim Vandimire.
Brent Burns, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Jason Demers, and Justin Braun kind of attest that we don’t always bring in old defensemen. We have a young, solid core of defensemen that will probably carry through with the team for most of the next decade. Giving plenty of time for guys like Petrecki, Doherty, and Abeltshauser to develop in the AHL before replacing their older counterparts.
Beyond that… I feel fairly confident in saying that Thornton and Marleau will retire as Sharks.
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by Auth0r on Feb 20, 2012 6:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Abeltshauser
Konrad is 9th in his league among scoring for defensemen, and his point-per-game-pace is higher than a few of the guys ahead of him. His stats from this season to last show a big improvement. I’m excited for this guy to continue developing and I hope to see him in teal in San Jose someday, but not anytime soon, really.
How the hell did this fanpost get 23 comments?
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by idunno723 on Feb 20, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I thought Vandermeer was looking like a stud on D before his injury.
I hope he will work his way back into the defensive lineup on a regular basis.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Feb 20, 2012 7:28 PM PST reply actions
I was also liking the way his game was trending
And I liked that he played forward on the fourth line. Not that he was amazing or anything, but the willingness to contribute in any way need was cool to see (although he’d probably do anything to get some playing time at that point)
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I just laugh at all of this blindness. My point about Thornton wasn’t that he isn’t good anymore is that he has hit his peek. Its like Bill Walsh says, “better to trade him a year early than a year to late.” I also said it is probably not gonna happen with his no trade clause. Are you telling me they can’t use more speed and a game changing top 3 forward. For all you Colin White supporters what has he done that a rookie can’t do? Veteran leadership they have enough Veterans. If it was Braun or Demers being on the ice for 8 of the last 12 goals against they would be benched before it even got to 8 goals. If Mclellan doesn’t like Vandermeer, I guess it was a waste to get him.
It’s not whether or not you say he’s not good anymore, it’s the fact that your suggest trading one of the best players in the NHL away and expecting to get better.
Demers has been hurt. Braun is already playing. Petrecki and Acolaste are not ready as all. If your goal is to help the team win a cup, you’re moving backwards.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 20, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yes I suggested it he has peaked. You keep thinking he is the Joe of old he isn’t. Maybe if they bring in a Nash he can be but that means throwing away the future. Also if Petrecki isn’t ready by now he will never be ready. Also you know Vandermeer deserves a chance over White right know also.
if Petrecki isn’t ready by now he will never be ready
He’s 22 years old. Defense prospects sometimes need a little extra time to marinate before they are ready. I trust that the front office knows what they are doing with him.
DEFENSIVE PROSPECTS TAKE TIME? Dude, look at Justin Braun. Guy stepped in as a rookie and preformed as a champ in his first NHL action!
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 20, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
What about VLASIC?!?
Marc-Edouard Vlasic: So underrated, even Matthew_NotTCYAnymoreBecauseIt’sNotAsProfessional_Taylor forgets about him!
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Agree with you on White/Vandermeer debate. Everything else, not so much.
But the White sentiment is shared.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 20, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
70pt players just grow on trees
so surely if we traded Jumbo we could totally replace his output with ease. Also San Jose is just on the cusp of becoming a solid FA destination. A place where Free Agents actually want to sign, even at a discounted rate, because we win consistently and at least have a solid chance at the Cup year in and year out. Trading Team Captain, All Star players, when they have a NTC and are the face of your franchise – all while you are still winning – is totally the best way to keep our burgeoning FA destination status going.
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Do you expect a ‘young top line player’ to be able to replicate what Thornton is able to do on the ice? As I mentioned above he is still the cream of the crop. Jumbo, like half of our team, is signed for the next two years. Trading him for a ‘young potential top line player’ would make it harder for us to compete for a Stanley Cup during the window that our general manager has set up.
I look at it like this. Vancouver has past us, there deeper and faster. Detroit well there about at the same level. Chicago we can’t beat in a 7 game series. That window is just about to close if it already didn’t. Thornton is not caring the team this year Pavelski and Couture have and its time to build around them.
Thornton is not caring the team
This is why we should have re-signed Kent Huskins.
by Briceratops on Feb 20, 2012 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
People seldom realize the reason that Couture and Pavelski look so good is that they have guys like Thornton who get the tough assignments, and still score.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 20, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
This
"Everybody had a part in this. As you can see, our fans love this. And we love them. And bring on the next team." -Joe Thornton
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by waive kent huskins on Feb 20, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
We should build around Couture and Pavelski. I think it’s a great idea. Let’s try to win it all this year!
Who is out there? Well, we’re going to need some veteran leadership so let’s look there first. Preferably a player who has some playoff experience, probably someone who’s a captain or has been at some point. It would be nice to add some secondary scoring behind Couture and Pavelski too.
I’ve got it! I think we should trade Joe Thornton for Joe Thornton.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 20, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Joe Thornton for Joe Thornton
C’mon Doug, make the call!
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by slotownsharksfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Time to play "Did you know?"
Did you know that Thornton is on pace to improve on his assist totals (and therefore total points) from last season after two years of decline? Or that he is also on pace to improve his blocks and hits totals, while lowering his penalties? Additionally, did you know that he is currently posting the best CORSI he has had since it has been recorded, a number almost 16 times better than last season? And drawing about one and a half penalties a game? All while holding one of the highest quality of competition numbers on the team?
He’s not the Joe Thornton of old. He’s the Joe Thornton who is changing his game to allow him to increase his career productivity and longevity.
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by Auth0r on Feb 21, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This
I am actually really looking forward to watching him in the playoffs this year (yeah… I said it). I think this year he has continued to grow into a more complete player. Also each year he seems to notch up the intensity another level, lets hope he builds on what was a great post season performance last year.
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by jMoneyBrah on Feb 21, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Don’t forget that it isn’t just Thornton that i changing. The NHL is changing too, with just how people are approaching the game. Cheechoo’s game fell off because his injury left him slower, and that one single thing destroyed his career because the NHL of today needs that speed much moreso than it did when he first started playing and went on that 50 goal run.
I’m sure someone can go back and make a graph that details the exponential rise of shot blocking in the NHL now compared to even just 5 years ago. The kind of shot blocking and pass blocking makes a huge impact on someone like Thornton’s numbers. When you make an incredible pass that someone one times into a defender’s shins instead of the twine, that kinda impacts assist numbers.
The Bruins should have gotten younger last year. Trade Thomas, Chara (he’s 34, two years older than Thornton!).. probably players at their peak.
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The Bruins traded Phil Kessel and have budding superstar Tyler Seguin. Kessel was there best player at the time.
They couldn’t afford Kessel due to salary issues. Had to move him.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 20, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Also, Kessel is outscoring the pants of Seguin this year.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 20, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Of course he does but if your asking me who I want in the future to build around Seguin is that guy.
Oh hindsight…
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 20, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Kessel is 4 years older
and in his early career scored at the same clip as Seguin. Not saying either is better or worse, but if you where starting an expansion team and you had to choose between either one to be your franchise player neither is heads and shoulders above the other.
Except in front of a mic, because there are not many people who come off as unintelligent as Kessel.
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Kessel is a second line player on a good team. Seguin has the ability to be a top line on a good team.
Kessel is a second line player?
He’s tied for fifth in the league in points. I guess there are only four top-line players in hockey.
by Briceratops on Feb 21, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
5th in points, 3rd in goals. Yep, total 2nd liner.
If you’re building an expansion team, and you had to choose Seguin or Kessel to build around, its definitely Kessel. Seguin is performing because he’s paired with good teammates on the Bruins combined with his own talent. Kessel is practically carrying the Leafs (offensively, he really only has Lupul that is a stand out to help him) on his shoulders and is STILL getting better each year.
I don’t think Seguin could carry an expansion team by himself.
I wouldn't say there is a huge difference between the two
As far as who I would build a team around. Both are damn good players and Kessel is further along the development curve (like just entering his prime). Seguin has more potential yet to realize, so he could blossom to become a better player than Kessel. It probably comes down: how soon are you expecting this hypothetical expansion team to start winning.
But to simply make a carte blanche statement that Seguin is heads and shoulders above Kessel is a little bombastic. You could say that Boston won the trade since they have a cup, but they already had a lot of pieces in place, and simply had to dump salary when Kessel’s contract expired. Toronto on the other hand was just a few years into the Burke regime, and are still building.
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Bruins traded Joe Thornton when he was there best player, that didn’t work out well for them at all did it?
So...
Step 1: Sharks trade Thornton
Step 2: Sharks win Stanley Cup 6 years later, after everyone they got for Thornton is gone as well
It can’t fail!!
I don't know what bugs me more
the proposition of blowing up the team at this point or the constant misuse of homonyms and typos…
Rated M for McGinn.
Why do think trading Thornton is blowing up the team? Do you really think I’m the only person that questions this possibility. We traded Nolan around the same age or even younger and it helped the franchise, that team was complacent and after that trade it changed a lot of things we became contenders a year later. Your problem is you like the complacency and think this food that there serving is filet mignon. I’m just throwing it out there this could be filet mignon or maybe this is just ordinary complacent chuck roast. This team is complacent and a major change can be good.
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It’s not, its trading a useless commodity on this team to a team that has a surplus of what we need. We don’t need a pass first player, we need a go getter. He will bring in the go-getters.
Not sure what you mean by 'go-getter'
If you hustle players or grinders, those can be had for much lower costs than Thornton, and FA market usually has a good supply.
If you mean all around great Hockey player with great abilities in many aspects of the game then you already have that in Thornton.
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Why do think trading Thornton is blowing up the team?
Well when you title a thread “Time To Go Young,” that pretty much equates “rebuild/blowing up the team” no?
Do you really think I’m the only person that questions this possibility.Practically yes I do. Since you already noted Thornton has a no-trade clause, so he’s not going anywhere.
Your problem is you like the complacency and think this food that there serving is filet mignon.Don’t presume to act like you know what I like, least of all complacency. And I don’t know why you brought food analogies into it, but hey, if DW is the chef, I’ll buy that. Yeah, complacency is definitely DW’s calling card. Traded Cheechoo & Michalek for Heatley. Traded Seto & Heatley for Burns & Havlat. Just added Dominic Moore who was pretty solid in the playoffs and can PK. Yup, totally complacent… 9_9
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I would trade fading “superstardom” for potential any day. When was the last time playoff hockey was won with a pretty pass as opposed to the scrum in front of the goalie. They changed the rules on it years ago just so the Sabres wouldn’t win. Joe will never net you more this offseason then next, if he and Nash are such great friends let them play together, IN OHIO. If Gretzky can be traded, Thornton can be traded. There isn’t a single player on this team that will get you a better return, though there should be. He will never give you 100 assists again, which makes one believe he is shooting more, except he tells you he is a passer and will never shoot the puck. So unless we bring back the Cheech/Heatley/Seto there is no reason for a pretty passer. Marleau gets his goals, Boyle plays winger on defense and Couture carries the team. Joe is expendable. I’ll give you Jumbo for Carter and Vermette, thats a near wash in salary. Good Day Sir!
Quick! Guess how many people have had 90+ assist seasons since Thornton did it in back-to-back years in 05-06 and 06-07!
That’d be zero, by the way. So if your standard is “Can they give us 100 assists in a season?” you’re going to be disappointed.
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He keeps looking to pass!!!
That’s right , no one does it, yet he keeps thinking pass. He was just quoted the other day say its just his nature. He is a pass first player in a shoot first league. So trade him to a team that needs a passer, we have several who can pass good enough and shoot better.
Just gonna point out that the dude who posted this thread has been on FTF since the 19th
and has a total of 9 comments, all in this thread.
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Is there a standard for an opinion I have to be apart of the sit for what a month year to be closed minded like you
I have to agree here
we where all new at some point. Wether or not you agree with John here, he certainly is entitled to his opinion, and is encouraged to post about it.
Certainly it’s been a passionate debate from all, and John clearly has strong feelings about what the Sharks need to do to win the cup. Isn’t that what being a fan, and this site, is all about.
I hear what you are saying John, still think Joe is too valuable to just trade at this point in time. Certainly not now, or in the next few seasons. I could see scenarios where more than one of the current leaders are traded leading up to or during the 2013-14 Capocalypse season when Jumbo, Patty, Couture, Pavelski, and Boyle will be approaching Free Agency simultaneously. In fact I kinda think that the DW plan is to just rape the crap outta our prospect pool to assemble as much talent as possible for runs at the Cup this year and the next. As we approach Capocalypse we can move any combo of Boyle, Thornton, or Patty (or any other high end acquisitions gained in the meantime) to restock our system.
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Been here a month?
And already running the show huh?
He doesn’t see things your way. But he presented a reasonable case in a fucking reasonable manner. Good Sir, my vote is for you to get the fuck out.
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I hear what John is saying, and he’s entitled to his opinion. I just disagree.
Thornton is far and away the best player on the Sharks right now. As Matthew Taylor pointed out, Pavelski and Couture are doing so well partly because Thornton gets the hard assignments, and still puts up 70-80 points a year. Not bad.
If I could trade any of the core, it would be Clowe. I’d really rather not trade Pavelski. Thank goodness so far DW shot down that Couture for Nash proposal Columbus had.
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by sanjosesharksfan on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 AM PST reply actions
Thornton is far and away the best player on the Sharks right now
Right now, that’d be Logan Couture.
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by Bockerz on Feb 22, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
disagree
Logan Couture is my favorite player and I do expect him to take the torch from thornton in the near future. But right now Thornton imo is still the more complete player, there is a reason Thornton takes on the toughest assignments and not the other way around.
Disagree as well.
You can’t discount the fact that Thornton still draws tougher competition.
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