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Sharks Gameday: Anatomy of A Losing Streak

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The San Jose Sharks, fresh off a 3-1 loss against the dominant St. Louis Blues in which they failed to record an even strength scoring chance for 35 minutes of play (seriously), are in a slump that is every bit disturbing as it is inconceivable. It's rare for a team with this much talent on the roster to struggle so mightily for such an extended period of time, especially when that team is the San Jose Sharks and the San Jose Sharks are anything but a regular season pushover.

Going off gut instinct and general vibe, this recent streak definitely feels more dangerous then when they backed into a President's Trophy in 2009 and almost certainly has eclipsed last year's six game losing streak in January due to the fact that so many games remained on the schedule and, well, we all know what kind of tear they went on following it.

Glory days. The Boss was right because they sure as hell passed us by.

Everyone is well aware of San Jose's disappointing road trip in which they went 2-6-1 over the span of 17 days, but I think there's a case to be made that this current streak can be traced back to a 4-3 loss on January 15th against the Chicago Blackhawks in the United Center. The Sharks sputtered into the All-Star Break with a 2-3-1 record, dismantled the Blue Jackets and Stars by a combined score of 11-2 immediately following the break, but have gone 4-10-1 since.

In other words, San Jose is 8-13-2 in 23 games since January 15th, a 64 point per game pace spread out over the course of an entire season (!!!). On January 15th they were 4 points behind Vancouver with 4 games in hand. Now it's a 17 point spread with 2 games in hand.

Certainly not the best of runs. So what gives?

Thanks to the power of Vic Ferrari's Time On Ice we can run through the slog and find out where San Jose's underlying numbers lie-- lie being a reasonable word in this case, as unfortunately they've been fine on a team-wide level considering the results.

Specifically we'll be looking at even strength numbers in close games (which are defined as being one-goal leads/deficits early in the game and tied late), tied games (herp), and overall (derp) to see if there's anything we can hang our hats on as San Jose does their best to salvage a Pacific Division title in a year where just making the playoffs is anything but a guarantee.

23 games, January 15th to present day apocalyptica, solely even strength situations.

Let it ride.

Star-divide

First, some context--shots % is the percentage of shots for and against, Fenwick % is the percentage of shots directed towards each net minus blocked shots, CORSI % is the percentage of all shots directed towards each net, save % is the percentage of shots San Jose's goaltenders have saved, shooting % is the percentage of shots San Jose has scored on, and PDO is the sum of their save % and shooting % (PDO regresses to 1000 the more data you acquire).


San Jose Sharks: January 15th-March 6th (Even Strength Situations)

Situation Shots % Fenwick % CORSI % Save %
Shooting%
PDO
Close 53.9 53.8 51.2 .895 5.2 947
Tied 55.0 54.5 52.8 .872 5.2 924
Overall 54.3 54.2 52.1 .906 5.9 965

The first thing that jumps out at you here is the obvious. San Jose has received some porous goaltending from Antti Niemi, who has logged a .902 SV% overall in this time frame, and shot at an absurdly low rate, especially when one considers the talent on their roster and historical numbers from both this season and last.

In other words, they either haven't been going to the high chance scoring areas (which data from The Neutral over this time period suggests isn't the case) or they've been getting stymied by good goaltending across the board to go along with missing shots they'll usually make because of bad luck or bouncing one off the chest instead of going top cheese.

Outside of this however, San Jose has performed much in the same way they did before this nasty 23 game streak. To illustrate this, let's look at the data (41 games of it) that stretches from the beginning of the season to January 14th. It may be hard to remember, but San Jose went 25-11-5 during that time frame and looked well on their way towards competing for the Presidents' Trophy.

So what has changed recently? Well, not much, except for goaltending and shooting percentages.


San Jose Sharks: October 8th-January 14th

Situation Shots % Fenwick % CORSI % Save %
Shooting%
PDO
Close 52.6 52.0 51.3 .931 7.4 1005
Tied 52.8 52.3 51.9 .918 7.1 989
Overall 54.1 53.4 52.2 .937 7.1 1008

Again, you look at these numbers and get a pretty good idea of what is going on here-- during the first part of the season San Jose was pushing the play in the same type of manner (their "possession" numbers are actually better in close and tied games during their last 23 games for whatever reason, and don't say it's because they're playing from behind because close games and tied games control for that) but they were getting goaltending and they were making their shots.

To put it in simplest terms possible, the San Jose Sharks are performing at roughly the same level as they were at the beginning of the season when it comes to possession. They are outshooting, putting more pressure, and spending more time in the offensive zone than their opposition. These are good things to see compared to a situation where they fall off the map by these metrics, and indicate that this team still knows how to play a game they've worked oh so hard to convince us they forgot.

If there's anything to hold on to in the midst of this run it is that.

This of course does not account for turnovers in the neutral zone that lead to goals against, your goaltender giving up a weak goal early in the game, injuries shaking up line combinations, failing to capitalize on opportunities when they are presented to you, your Head Coach missing three games with a concussion, or the suffocating cloud of defeat that can suck the life out of a locker room.

All of these things have played a major role in how this has gone down-- sure the Sharks (and any other team in the NHL for that matter) can control the play on a wide spectrum, but once your goalie loses his ability to stop the puck, scoring depth dries up, and you start committing turnovers at key moments in the game all of that kind of flies out the window.

Hockey is just as much about "60 minute efforts" as it is about grabbing a moment by the throat and refusing to let it go until things go your way.

They're going to need both of those tonight.

Prediction: Sharks win 5-2. Goals by Marleau, Pavelski, Moore, Braun, and Winchester. I relive past losing streaks from seasons of yore, casually stumbling onto probably one of the funniest things I've ever written (and I'm a funny fucking guy). Damn shame Tom Gilbert isn't playing with the Oilers anymore. I've got some spare POGS lying around he might be interested in.

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by Soloact on Mar 6, 2012 4:21 AM PST reply actions  

Most importantly, they need to play with their hearts on the line.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 6:20 AM PST up reply actions  

their chamyldia on the line.

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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Mar 6, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Losing streak? What losing streak?

Today’s the start of a winning streak.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 5:46 AM PST reply actions  

I'm thinking about not going to the game...

Which sounds bad, but I’m thinking breaking into ME3 might be a better use of my time…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 6, 2012 7:53 AM PST reply actions  

I don't get my copy until tomorrow...

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by Evilducks on Mar 6, 2012 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, mine should be waiting on my doorstep when I get home from work...

It will be awfully hard to resist…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 6, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m picking mine up after I blast through my homework.

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by Swoops on Mar 6, 2012 9:06 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Oh come on ZI!!

The Sharkies need you – I promise…if you and they win, it will all be thanks to you :-)

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by Dmitriy on Mar 6, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Um, I’m pretty sure the world needs me too…with the Reapers invading the galaxy and all…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 6, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

After ME2, Reapers stopped being scary.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

2 points is the only answer

I’m going to have my rose colored glasses on starting today and I’m going to say the Sharks win 4 of the next 5 games on the schedule. May drop the one to Dallas or Phoenix.

But Sharks win this one… but it’s not pretty. Sharks win 3-2 in the shootout. Goals by Thornton and Galiardi (who actually gets playing time tonight). Go ahead shoot out goal by Pavelski. Sharks live to see another day in the top 8.

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by winthecupsj on Mar 6, 2012 8:29 AM PST reply actions  

That’s not a prediction, you are clearly reading the future. Thanks for ruining the game for me, but at least they get a win.

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

The difference in save% is crazy.

Coupled with how many games were by a goal. Hopefully Nemo can turn it on and be that late season star he was last year.

by drewhamlet on Mar 6, 2012 8:42 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Basically we'd be comfortably in the top 3 not worried about the pacific

If our goaltending wasn’t awful.

I mean ALL of our goal tending.

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by Evilducks on Mar 6, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, because a 1-0 loss to Buffalo and a 3-1 loss to St. Louis clealry indicate a problem with goaltending.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Because...

you clearly can’t tell that I was referring to the .902 SV% over the last 23 games collectively and not the 1-0 and 3-1 losses of this home stand

by HighGloveNightmare on Mar 6, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

While his .902 SV% seems low

Lately, the Sharks seem to be giving up a lot of what I would call “no chance” goals. As in…goals where the goaltender has no realistic chance to make a save (i.e. cross-ice passes, deflections, etc.) Basically goals where the goalie would have to just be lucky in order to save it.

Just anecdotally, I certainly feel like I’ve said “Not much he could have done on that one…” a helluva lot more than I’ve said “Nemo shoulda had that one…” during this stretch of poor play. I guess I’m just of the opinion that Nemo’s recent SV% is more a product of the team’s play in front of him, rather than poor goaltending.

by BillytheSid on Mar 6, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Even so, goaltending was not the only problem during that period.

The D wasn’t helping Niemi all that much during that road trip.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

While his .902 SV% seems low

Lately, the Sharks seem to be giving up a lot of what I would call “no chance” goals. As in…goals where the goaltender has no realistic chance to make a save (i.e. cross-ice passes, deflections, etc.) Basically goals where the goalie would have to just be lucky in order to save it.

Just anecdotally, I certainly feel like I’ve said “Not much he could have done on that one…” a helluva lot more than I’ve said “Nemo shoulda had that one…” during this stretch of poor play. I guess I’m just of the opinion that Nemo’s recent SV% is more a product of the team’s play in front of him, rather than poor goaltending.

by BillytheSid on Mar 6, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Stanchion?

Defending Niemi? Nothing has meaning anymore.

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by Swoops on Mar 6, 2012 9:32 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Eh.

I went back and looked at the replays from that god-awful roadtrip. He was shaky on a few, but absolute abandoned by his D on others (mostly thanks to White).

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

meh

willing to chalk a few up to the fact d has been bad as well

by HighGloveNightmare on Mar 6, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Statistics are getting old TBH

Results are the only thing that matters at this point. Just get the win and look towards the next game.

We could realistically finish the year with all these awesome advanced stats and still miss the playoffs. Just win baby win

by Justin_Freebords on Mar 6, 2012 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

Stats are for losers.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I very much appreciated this breakdown of statistics. It puts back a smidgeon of optimism in my life rather than just the miserable month and a half of terrible outcomes. We can do it, Win baby Win!

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong

I love reading all these stats and I appreciate the hard work that goes into gathering them, but I’m tired of reading about how we should be winning but we aren’t

by Justin_Freebords on Mar 6, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

i just had a huge argument with a leafs fan about this subject

people can get touchy about whether or not stats matter

she’s still not talking to me :/

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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Mar 6, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

If they don't believe in cold hard facts

There really isn’t much point in talking to them.

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by Evilducks on Mar 6, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Statistics

Provide context. Humans have this silly habit of attributing blame to preconceived notions and gut feelings that have no actual basis in reality.

This is the same mentality that gets fake psychics paid on a regular basis.

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by Evilducks on Mar 6, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Lord, I am not a religious man,

but if you are out there, help me Jebus! (and put demers in for white, bench vandemeer, put back desi and wingels)

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

I agree...

With all of the above.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 6, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha!

Sounds more like a prayer to Todd McLellan than anyone else…

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by rowdy_rabbi on Mar 6, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Or Shaw...

Any news about TMAC? Is he off IR yet?

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

WTC says he should be in but nothing is for certain

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by rowdy_rabbi on Mar 6, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Lord, I am not a religious man

but if you are out there, help me Jebus! And heal McLellan’s wounds so that he can be back on the bench tonight.

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

Scandella’s stick gave TMac some crazy superpower. Or maybe it took away his ability to hear and answer prayers…

Either way, I hope he’s okay for tonight’s game. I don’t really trust his assistants at the helm.

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by rowdy_rabbi on Mar 6, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously, I just want TMAC to get better.

That is the biggest concern. I also want him on the bench coaching. However, if the assistants bench the players I don’t want and give adequate ice time to the new guys demers desi and wingels, i will be happy.

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

This will be a very telling game

Not because the Oil are good (they aren’t). Not because the Sharks are on a losing streak. But because there really aren’t any excuses for not beating them silly. The team should be motivated. They should have the edge on talent. The question is whether they have the edge on work and mental toughness.
Prediction: Sharks win 5-2. Goals by Thornton, Wingels, Marleau, Boyle, and Clowe

by psantangeli on Mar 6, 2012 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

Oh… and by the way, Coyotes lost last night, and Dallas is up against Vancouver tonight. It’s also an opportunity.

by psantangeli on Mar 6, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Also Nashville vs LA and St. Louis vs Chicago. Can’t get a much better single-day schedule than that.

by psantangeli on Mar 6, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

How are you going to feel about it when those all turn into three-point games?

by meetyourmako on Mar 6, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

All Western Conference teams are playing

tonight, except Ana.
Will be an interesting night.

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by Soloact on Mar 6, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

no

i dont want white to give the coaching staff ANY reason to keep him in the lineup. The 2 hattricks will have to do

by Dermal Denticles on Mar 6, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I honestly have no idea which one you were singling out (White?)

Those are the three players I would most like to keep out of the lineup. While Mitchell (and actually White—I say actually cuz im still trying to convince myself that it really did happen) had OK games vs. the Blues, but I still want none of them to have anything to do with the lineup.

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Mitchell has been excellent for the past three games.

Handzus and White, eh… We can do without both.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Disclaimer: Doesn't necessarily mean I want Desi back, as Mitchell can centre Line 4.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Even though Mitchell's game has improved in the past three games

I would still rather see desi centering the fourth line. I know we need to put the best team we have on the ice, but I still think that desi’s ceiling is higher and that with more PT he can be much better (and obviously more consistent) than Mitchell. Tho if Mitchell had 1/10 of the ability of Couture’s to see where the puck will be, his speed would be awesome. He just overskates way too damn much.

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Read Fail

Somehow I kept skipping over white in your post. Perhaps I have a mental block when it comes to him.

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

But IAN WHITE IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE SHARKS ORGANIZATION

I’m assuming that’s who you’re talking about – seeing as Colin White doesn’t know how to lace his skates…

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by SeanCrosby87 on Mar 6, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Close in on gaps fast when on defense.

Don’t give up space and just rely on your stick to do the job for you. Especially while on the pk cause it just makes the team look like they’re going into a shell. And stop with the game losing turnovers. White, Burns, used to be Pav always seems to be somebody. Mix it up and stop passing the exact same way to get the puck out. Everyone can add or subtract from this but these are top 3 as far what needs to improve. Niemi’s save % would come after that since he obviously needs a good defense to have any chance at being a goalie.

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by raphelo on Mar 6, 2012 11:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

a 64 point per game pace

I think that should be enough to make the postseason…

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by BritShark on Mar 6, 2012 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

I just want say

that its easy to start losing optimism with this team given the current situation. But it’s important to take it one game at a time, 2 points by two points. Sure, they’ll be checking the out of town scores and having one eye on the standings, but more importantly, they need to be focusing on their game entirely. Just win tonight, get the two points and move on to the next game against Dallas.

by 408sharks on Mar 6, 2012 11:41 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Totally Agree

This losing trend has been hard on us fans. I can’t even imagine what it is like for the players. One game at a time, that is all one can do.

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Way to go, Mrs. M!

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by Joeface on Mar 6, 2012 11:51 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

that little cartoon is perfect.

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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Mar 6, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Considering
Jason Demers, who also sat against the Blues, looks like he’ll be coming in for Justin Braun, based on the morning skate…that means Colin White…remains in the lineup.

Maybe Mrs. McLellan is onto something.

That’s according to Kevin Kurz. I made sure to trim the part where he suggested White has been solid lately, so as not to embarrass Kurz.

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by Timorous Me on Mar 6, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Which advanced statistic explains why he gets so much ice time?

by meetyourmako on Mar 6, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

that one I just made up by putting together random numbers in my headbrains while watching Spongebob on the television machine

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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Mar 6, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

First, of the regularly used d-men (meaning no Vandy) White gets the least amount of ES ice time.

Second, there are stats that show why White is in the lineup over Demers or Vandy…problem is, they don’t match what you see on the ice as it really seems (even though it’s not the case) that he’s directly responsible for about a goal against per game.

by milanahalek on Mar 6, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Something about White being a right-handed shot is the only reason he's in the lineup.

That really leaves Braun and Demers – both of whom have been neither bad nor great – as the odd men out on D.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

White is a left shooting d-man.

by milanahalek on Mar 6, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

So basically, there's no reason he's in the lineup over Braun and Demers?

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on whether or not you believe that it’s quite difficult for a d-man to switch from the right side to the left…plus, Demers was absolutely brutal (yes, worse than White) for quite a while, he’s been much better recently.

Right side d-men: Demers, Braun, Boyle, Burns
Left side d-men: Vlasic, Murray, Vandy, White

by milanahalek on Mar 6, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

That then begs the question...

Why is Vandermeer playing 4th line wing?

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not a coach or in the locker room so I can’t say why Vandy is being used at forwrad over Zus, Desi, etc.

I can make something up for you if you want??

by milanahalek on Mar 6, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Do that. :D

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

well...

White has pictures of Wilson’s daughter that could keep her from winning Miss America.

Desi told McLellan that the development system sucks and that it’s their fault he’s not putting up 20 goals a season.

Ferriero is…well, he’s Ferriero.

by milanahalek on Mar 6, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

x

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Braun has been good

I am not an expert at watching D. But ive been very happy with Braun’s play. Why would he be benched for Demers who has been less consistent this year?

Really…WHY CANT DEMERS REPLACE WHITE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the real question...

Why is White still playing…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 6, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

One issue at a time, please

We risk being overwhelmed here if we get into them all at once.

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by Timorous Me on Mar 6, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

please don’t help Kurz by hiding his flaws.

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by SharksFanTillDeath on Mar 6, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Kurz sounds like cheese curds, and now I want poutine. >:

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm moving to about 3 hours from Montreal this summer

And I also intend to spend some good time in NYC after that (about 2 1/2 hours away), where the poutine at the Mile End Deli in Brooklyn is apparently a revelation. I can already vouch for their smoked meat sandwich. Good god, yes.

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by Timorous Me on Mar 6, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m moving to about 3 hours from Montreal this summer
poutine
in Brooklyn

I… What… Buh… How…?

You’re in (or near) Quebec, and you’re excited about going to NYC for fake poutine? I… I don’t even know what to say to you. Haul ass up to Quebec and get the real thing.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant I have two great options. The place in Brooklyn, while inevitably a haven for hipsters, is run by a couple from Montreal who do the poutine, traditional smoked meat in the Montreal style, and have real Montreal bagels flown in a few times a week. So it is legit.

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by Timorous Me on Mar 6, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ahh. Good call then.

We have so many hipster hangouts in Toronto that claim to be “poutine” places, but like… You’ll get this thing that’s hardly got any fries and cheese in it, they’ve crammed it so full of other crap.

If it doesn’t come in one of those pie-plate-like containers with the cardboard top, it’s not real poutine. :D

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

White has been good – for the last 3 games.

by milanahalek on Mar 6, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

But I'll still argue that Braun has been better

And Demers brings more overall to the table offensively, which is kind of important when you’ve scored two goals in your past three (home) games.

I’m sure this is all reticence to put out more than three right-handed shots, but I don’t get that. At this point I feel these guys have played enough on their off side for it to not be a noticeable problem.

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by Timorous Me on Mar 6, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree...

I’d much rather have both Braun and Demers in the lineup.

Was just saying I agree with Kurz that White has been good the last few games.

by milanahalek on Mar 6, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Last game and hes been kinda solid on the PK surprisingly enough

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

In regards to White, but I think three games is stretching it.

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Another great post.

.."but once your goalie loses his ability to stop the puck, "

I hoped to give you good news but ‘bad puck luck’ and regression to the mean.
Especially since ranges in goaltending talent are small. However, from the evidence I have uncovered Niemi’s career mean talent level is a definite cut below top goalies and even second tier like K.L. in Dallas and M. Smith in Phx.

Shields uses a formula similar to Hockey prospectus i.e. Quality starts etc.
http://www.goalierankings.com/

I have calculated career ratings as follows
Niemi 72 Smith 77 K.L.78

All three goalies have ratings from two different teams.

The range for NHL starter is 70-80 for what its worth
where a superstar is 80 -99

With the parity of Nhl and with luck being so important as your data shows
Perhaps San Jose’s lower level goaltending talent is the flaw that can’t be overcome?

by lortimer on Mar 6, 2012 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

Ouch

Nemo not even in the top 20.

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by Soloact on Mar 6, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm more concerned with how low we are in the west, but that works too

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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Mar 6, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Nemo's contract was a mistake.

But hey, like people keep telling me, it’s not like we can just up and sign Rinne. In theory, we’re strong enough defensively to make due with a mediocre goalie, and that’s been true for parts of the season. Until Stalock is ready to go and have at ‘er, we have to due with Antti "Can’t Cover The Post To Save His Life" Niemi.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't really think so...

It’s a bit high, but a 4 year deal that really doesn’t kill THAT much capspace? Honestly… there are a lot worse people we could have in net who get paid more…

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by SeanCrosby87 on Mar 6, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

The problem is offense. Th only way to overcome mediocre goaltending is a strong offense
as Chicago did in 2010

by lortimer on Mar 6, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

No, all that means is that you lose 7-6 instead of 2-1.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds more exciting at least.

Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Mar 6, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Granted.

The league needs to stop with this defensive BS. It’s not fun to watch.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

True

I was thinking about writing something up about this topic. I do wonder whether one of the problems that the Sharks are having isn’t internal… it’s that the nature of the game has changed, and they aren’t well suited for the new face of the NHL. Just on the face of it, asking Patty Marleau and Joe Thornton to be defensive players is silly. But that’s what is required. The Caps are another example – they tried to remake their game this year (from fire wagon to defense first) and it went so badly they ended up essentially blowing up the season and losing their coach.

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by DeepAndRandom on Mar 6, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

The caps didn't change their game this year

That was last year. In 2009-2010 season they were all offense and it was incredibly fun to watch (I was living in DC at the time). Caps vs. Pens on Superbowl Sunday 2010 was the best live hockey game I’ve been attended.

In addition to their transition to a defensive game, this year they have also been plagued by injuries and have a serious lack of center depth. Their number 1 center (backstrom) has been out for the second half of the season and their number two doesn’t exist with Brooks laich as their number 3. Matthew Perrault and Marcus Johansson are not good enough to be taking over the 1 and 3 spots for the team.

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

History tells me that DW isn't that great in evaluating goalies

Remember when he let Kipper go and signed Nabby to big contract instead.

by Tiberon07 on Mar 6, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember when

Kipper was unproven and demanded a trade and DW flipped him for the pick that became Vlasic?

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by ElvisVF101 on Mar 6, 2012 7:05 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yep.

i’d say fair trade if Vlasic continues to improve – especially when paired with Burns in the long term.

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by SeanCrosby87 on Mar 6, 2012 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude

but Kipper was ASS as a Shark. Nabby had his fair share of rough patches, so Kipper was given multiple opportunities to take away the starting job and never could string together a solid enough run to force the Lombardi & Darryl Sutter / DW & Ron Wilson braintrusts to believe that he could be a capable #1 goalie in the NHL.

Kiprusoff as a Shark, GAA, SV%
2000-01: 1.94 .902
2001-02: 2.49 .915
2002-03: 3.25 .879

Total Wins-Losses-Ties: 14-21-3, Total Shutouts: 3

Nabby over the same period:
2000-01: 2.19 .915
2001-02: 2.29 .918
2002-03: 2.71 .906

Total Wins-Losses-Ties: 88-73-20, Total Shutouts: 16

To go all time-space continuum, I firmly believe that if Kipper stayed in San Jose, his confidence would have just continued to flounder as the 3rd stringer behind Nabby and Toskala. He truly benefitted from a change of scenery and played with a chip on his shoulder. But it’s not fair to play the hindsight card on DW for trading him away… no one in their right mind would have done the opposite considering his struggles as a Shark.

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by DownRUpLYB on Mar 6, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to say up front I don’t necessarily understand how he comes up w/ these rankings…but looking back in his archives…I’ll use the 2010/11 season as an example, he has Reimer, Dubnyk, Theodore all ranked ahead of Fleury, Backstrom, Quick, Kipper (just to name a couple). I don’t think anyone can look at those names and say that those rankings make sense.

I guess maybe if you look at the goaltending stats he used (I didn’t) that Reimer, Dubnyk & Theodore has better seasons but that certainly doesn’t mean that they’re “higher talent” than Backstrom, Quick,etc.

So, I’m going to say no…San Jose’s goaltending is not a “flaw that can’t be overcome”.

by milanahalek on Mar 6, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree you need to look at this stat ( as alll stats) over 3 seasons or more ) I have and I quoted the numbers above.

A.N. in his best season was only slightly above average.
Its not that he is bad but his lows will be lower so teams will feel effects more.

by lortimer on Mar 6, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

This isn't about Niemi really...

Looking into how he does his rankings, based on quality of shots, comparing a bad goalie on a good team to a good goalie on a bad team, quality starts, there are some flaws…

I’m just not convinced his way of ranking goaltenders is the best way to show (or in his case prove) the actual goaltenders talent.

by milanahalek on Mar 6, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Completely OT... Forgive and ignore if you will...

But I need some SBNation advice. How does one go about changing their ID? It doesn’t even seem possible from the site.

by psantangeli on Mar 6, 2012 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

Have to e-mail the SBN overlords.

So far as I can tell, I’m the only one who’s gotten approval of those who have asked in the last year. Might be better off just making a new account and indicating who you used to be in the sig.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Good advice. Thanks.

by psantangeli on Mar 6, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

And now done!

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by DeepAndRandom on Mar 6, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it too early for 'hold onto your butts'?

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Mar 6, 2012 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

Sort of.

But “hold on to your butts” is more of a “oh shiii-, going into OT” kinda thing. We need a different emotion. Like, “When will the pain go away?”

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was reserved for the playoffs…

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't assume we make the playoffs.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

How can I after this long stench, I mean stretch?

But I still think that they have been holding on to that video until a potential postseason appearance. I could be wrong…Podcasts were coming in this time last year…did someone say Podcasts??

by Cloweture on Mar 6, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Mar 6, 2012 12:54 PM PST reply actions  

ps. there are about 2-3 good songs on Lupe's Lazers album, the conspiracy theorists were right it's a lame record

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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Mar 6, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I SINCERELY hope everyone washed their jersey after that St. Louis game.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

GQ

Has the lower power play attempts across the league adversely effected
the Sharks if so how much?

The Sedins contend that a more PP’s help them get rhythm and positive push
even if they dont score.
I know The Sharks have trad. had very high PP SF as well wonder if there is anything in this?

by lortimer on Mar 6, 2012 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

This had better be in Assassin's Creed 3.

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Must WIN

Hands Down!

Go Big or Go Home

by ChangoT on Mar 6, 2012 5:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

This needs to be in the locker room. It's some quantum shit

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by Montyburnz!...1 on Mar 6, 2012 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

Know it's OT, but I find the juxtaposition of these two picture disturbing...

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by Evil Stanchion on Mar 6, 2012 6:07 PM PST reply actions  

Detroit loses to a team we shut out.

wooo we’re better! (POSITIVENESS!)

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by SeanCrosby87 on Mar 6, 2012 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

McClellan set to rejoin the bench.

Thank god… thats huge motivation.

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by SeanCrosby87 on Mar 6, 2012 7:01 PM PST reply actions  

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