Sharks vs. Wild: Mythbusting the success of former Sharks

Tonight, the Sharks and Wild go head-to-head. Not what I meant, guys. - Marilyn Indahl-US PRESSWIRE

The Sharks play host to the Minnesota Wild tonight at 7:30 pm. With all the former Sharks on the Wild, it's a good opportunity to take a look at how former Sharks fare after leaving San Jose.

There are some myths about the Sharks I constantly hear that annoy me. Some, like Patrick Marleau being gutless, are just blatant trolling. Others seem to have some bits of truth: like opposing rookies getting their first goal against the Sharks.

But there's one that lives somewhere in the middle: When Doug Wilson gets rid of a player, that players goes on to be ridiculously good. Okay, we get it, Jamie McGinn had a good first week in Denver. But how much truth is actually behind that myth?

Doug Wilson was hired in 2003, so I went through and looked at the stats (including playoff games) of every former Shark that played at least one game from the end of 2002-2003 season until now. Here are 30 of the more notable names (sorted by the change in their scoring rate after leaving):

Player Name GP w/ SJ Pts w/ SJ Avg. Pts per 82 GP w/ SJ GP after leaving Pts afer leaving Avg. Pts per 82 GP after leaving Change to Avg. Pts per 82 GP
Brad Boyes 1 0 0.0 611 407 54.6 +54.6
Jamie McGinn 226 50 18.1 59 32 44.5 +26.4
Marcel Goc 302 62 16.8 230 103 36.7 +19.9
Daniel Winnik 26 6 18.9 43 19 36.2 +17.3
Douglas Murray 508 69 11.1 9 3 27.3 +16.2
Teemu Selanne 194 141 56.6 654 559 70.1 +13.5
Christian Ehrhoff 379 147 31.8 303 165 44.6 +12.8
Kyle Wellwood 53 20 30.9 113 60 43.5 +12.6
Bill Guerin 25 11 36.1 282 161 46.8 +10.7
Matt Carle 184 72 32.1 415 185 36.6 +4.5
Marco Sturm 591 288 40.0 415 221 43.7 +3.7
Travis Moen 25 5 16.4 276 61 18.1 +1.7
Michal Handzus 97 26 22.0 7 2 23.4 +1.4
Mike Rathje 742 178 19.7 103 25 19.9 +0.2
Devin Setoguchi 315 183 47.6 111 61 45.1 -2.5
Milan Michalek 356 230 53.0 234 141 49.4 -3.6
Torrey Mitchell 335 84 20.6 39 7 14.7 -5.9
Ryane Clowe 491 316 52.8 7 4 46.9 -5.9
Brad Stuart 423 164 31.8 576 178 25.3 -6.5
Scott Hannan 566 140 20.3 453 73 13.2 -7.1
Ian White 40 19 39.0 107 37 28.4 -10.6
Wayne Primeau 117 42 29.4 267 60 18.4 -11.0
Steve Bernier 182 88 39.6 345 114 27.1 -12.5
Jed Ortmeyer 80 20 20.5 39 2 4.2 -16.3
Scott Thornton 383 162 34.7 105 21 16.4 -18.3
Brian Campbell 33 26 64.6 389 217 45.7 -18.9
Craig Rivet 115 54 38.5 185 44 19.5 -19.0
Dany Heatley 194 168 71.0 118 74 51.4 -19.6
Mike Ricci 588 296 41.3 156 26 13.7 -27.6
Jonathan Cheechoo 498 326 53.7 62 14 18.5 -35.2

Grand Total

(All 69 players)

11,942 4,381 30.1 10,059 3,740 30.4 +0.3

There's quite a bit of fun with small sample size in there, and obviously player roles change from one place to another, but there are still some very interesting pieces of data. I think the most interesting thing to note is how close to zero the overall total is after leaving. After leaving San Jose, a player averages only 1/3 of a point more over an 82-game season.

While it is technically in increase, it is so insignificantly small, I think we have to call this myth busted. Players seem to play about the same whether Doug Wilson trades them away or not.

Well, maybe unless he lets them go to the Wild. Heatley, Setoguchi and Mitchell are all under-performing compared to what they did in San Jose.

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This is the rubber match of the season series. The Sharks defeated the Wild 4-2 back on April 3rd, in a game that ended with quite a bit of roughness. San Jose is 3-2-1 since that game while Minnesota is 3-3-1. The Wild were shutout 3 times in that span, but may have righted the ship with 9 goals in their last two games. Although they were facing the Alberta teams...

Projected Sharks Lineup

Patrick Marleau - Logan Couture - Martin Havlat

T.J. Galiardi - Joe Thornton - Brent Burns

Raffi Torres - Joe Pavelski - Tommy Wingels

Andrew Desjardins - Scott Gomez - Adam Burish

Matt Irwin - Dan Boyle

Marc-Edouard Vlasic - Justin Braun

Jason Demers - Brad Stuart

Antti Niemi

Thomas Greiss

Projected Wild Lineup

Zach Parise - Mikko Koivu - Charlie Coyle

Jason Pominville - Kyle Brodziak - Pierre-Marc Bouchard

Jason Zucker - Matt Cullen - Devin Setoguchi

Cal Clutterbuck - Torrey Mitchell - Mikael Granlund

Ryan Suter - Jonas Brodin

Clayton Stoner - Tom Gilbert

Brett Clark - Jared Spurgeon

Niklas Backstrom

Darcy Kuemper

According to Kevin Kurz, Irwin's back in the spot Scott Hannan took in the last game. It's good to see Irwin back. And it proves Hannan was only playing so he could get some level of comfort in the system during a real game - just in case injuries forced him into a playoff game. It didn't bother me as long as it didn't keep happening.

The Wild are without Dany Heatley for the rest of the season. He recently had successful shoulder surgery after injuring it in a lightsaber duel with Marc-Edouard Vlasic.

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(Thanks again to mymclife for the gif.)

Prediction: Sharks win 3-2. Goals by Marleau, Burns, and Torres. Meanwhile, Darth Clutterbuck tries to avenge his fallen comrade by hitting Vlasic about 15 times over the course of the game.

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